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The Walking Dead - Season 4

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{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Walking Dead - Season 4
|picture=WalkingDeadS4.jpg
|country=[[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel=AMC
|genre=Horror Drama
|dates=2013-14
|episodes=16
|character1=Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2=Daryl Dixon
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Glenn Rhee
|actor3=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character4=Maggie Greene
|actor4=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character5=Carl Grimes
|actor5=[[Chandler Riggs]]
|character6=Michonne
|actor6=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character7=Carol Peletier
|actor7=[[Melissa McBride]]
|character8=Hershel Greene
|actor8=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character9=Tyreese
|actor9=[[Chad Coleman]]
|character10=Bob Stookey
|actor10=[[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 4|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 4.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 4 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

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=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 4. Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) also uses the Python in the mid-season premiere "After" (S4E09).
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" barrel and in nickel finish - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds his Python in Season's 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick checks his Python in "Infected" (S4E02). ]]
[[Image:Pyth0ns4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick fires the Python in "Isolation" (S4E03). He's firing the revolver left-handed due to punching Tyreese at the episode's beginning.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick aims his Colt Python in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires his Colt Python in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E09 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds Rick's own Python in "After" (S4E09).]]
[[Image:TWDSeason4Ep9ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Python in "After" (S4E09).]]

==Colt Official Police==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) continues to carry a [[Colt Official Police]] as a back-up firearm to his crossbow in season four. He uses it in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01) to fend off several walkers.
[[Image:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Official Police - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WDSeason4COP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds his Colt Official Police revolver as he is surrounded by walkers in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Colt Detective Special==
In Indifference (S4E04), Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen carrying what appears to be a [[Colt Detective Special]] in her waistband.
[[File:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen with round butt - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen carrying what appears to be a [[Colt Detective Special]] in her waistband in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
In "Indifference" (S4E04), Rick hands off a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel]] to survivor Sam. The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Model 10 to survivor Sam in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor holds the revolver while searching the assisted living facility in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).
[[File:Smith&WessonModel36-3InchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (3" barrel and square butt) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use his revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E05Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor fires off a shot as he is being devoured alive in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) continues to carry a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his main firearm in Season 4. Rick is seen returning the pistol to him in "Infected" (S4E02). Bob Stookey ([[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]) also carries one as his sidearm during the season. A survivor has a holstered [[Beretta 92FS]] on his belt in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick returns the pistol to Carl in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:Carolberetta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his suppressed Beretta in the woods (S4E03).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl raises his Beretta on a walker in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob Stookey holds his Beretta in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the right has a Beretta 92FS holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDSeason4Ep9Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl's Beretta runs out of ammo in "After" (S4E09).]]
[[Image:TWDSeason4Ep9Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds his Beretta in "After" (S4E09).]]

==Beretta 92SB (nickel)==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) continues to carry a nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]] as his sidearm in Season 4. During "Live Bait" (S4E06), he gives the pistol away, and uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver he found in a bathtub. Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is also seen handing the pistol back to him in the same episode. Lilly also uses the Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickeled Beretta 92SB Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), the Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]].]]
[[File:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the top, the Beretta 92SB is seen near the S&W M&P9 in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is seen handing the pistol back to him.]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07GovernorBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor aims his nickel Beretta in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BerettaNickel.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor pulls his Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor holds his nickel Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08LilyBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) fires The Governor's Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Glock 19==
Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] as his preferred sidearm in Season 4. Hershel Greene ([[Scott Wilson]]) also continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] in a belt holster in Season 4. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) also carries a [[Glock 19]] as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn reaches for his Glock 19 in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hershel' Glock in his belt holster in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch speaks with his Glock holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel holds his Glock in the air as he is held at gunpoint in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). One of the Governor's men carries a customized [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07) and "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Colt1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07RiflePistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the left has a holstered Colt in "Dead Weight" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same pistol is seen holsered in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
Rick hands off a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04). Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) also uses a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 45. ACP]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Heckler & Koch P9S to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08P9S.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lilly holds a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] during the supply run in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SIGP226.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese fires his SIG as a walker surprises him, causing him to drop the pistol in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete holds his SIG-Sauer in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) briefly uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A similar Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen again in "Isolation" (S4E03). It is most probably the same prop.
[[Image:3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds his Smith & Wesson in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen on a stick in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor in "Live Bait" (S4E06). She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson". One of the Governor's men also carries a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] with a tan frame, most notably seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Mika Samuels ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) holds a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor. She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson".]]
[[Image:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M&P is seen next to the Governor's nickel Beretta in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Governor's men with a holstered tan-framed M&P pistol in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mika ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) (on the right) holds her M&P in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Walther P99==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) continues to carry a [[Walther P99]] in Season 4.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4 110.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|601px|Maggie fires her P99 in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires her P99 to take out a former survivor turned walker in the prison in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

==Walther P22==
Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) uses a [[Walther P22]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:P22 black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) holds her P22 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note that Lizzie needs two fingers to pull the trigger.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1==
The [[M4A1]] is again seen used throughout Season 4, used by several characters. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) and Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) use [[M4A1]] carbines in "Internment" (S04E05), to fend off several walkers. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) and Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) also carry [[M4A1]] carbines in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). Several characters from both the prison group and the Governor's group wield [[M4A1|M4A1 Carbines]] in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and Troy VFG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS4_102.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Bob keeps watch armed with an M4A1 fitted with just a scope rail attached in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick and Carl open fire with their M4A1 rifles in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha's M4A1 lies on a table in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch carries his rifle in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). The rifle is equipped with an EOTech holo sight, foregrip and Magpul 60-round magazine.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch holds his rifle outside the prison in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth fires an M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of The Governor's men fires his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl fires an M4A1 at the Governor's troops in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) holds her M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine==
What appears to be a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Law Enforcement Carbine|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]] fitted with MAGPUL furniture is used throughout Season 4. The rifle is seen in the hands of Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]), Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]), and Beth ([[Emily Kinney]]).
[[File:ColtLE6920MP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt LE 6920 with dark earth MAGPUL furniture]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Glenn cradles the rifle fitted with some Magpul furniture before they prepare to enter the Big Spot Store in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle appears to be the same rifle fitted with Magpul furniture that Glenn used in the season premiere.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth holds both her own M4A1 and Maggie's rifle fitted with Magpul furniture in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle she holds in her left hand appears to be a lightweight prop replica (note how the selector switch appears to be molded into the receiver).]]

==AR-15 "Dissipator"==
Bob Stookey uses what appears to be [[AR-15]]-type rifle that appears to be a "Dissipator" carbine in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). It noticeably lacks front and rear sights.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
Phillip Blake, aka The Governor, carries a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). It is unknown if this is supposed to be the weapon he carried during the third season, since he wasn't seen with it in the previous episodes of Season 4 (though it is likely since it may have been left in the truck Martinez took from the Governor and ultimately ended up at the camp with). The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as unlike the M4A1 they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blake holds his Steyr AUG in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==FN FAL==
Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses an [[FN FAL]] rifle during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's troops also uses an [[FN FAL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete with his FN FAL slung on his back in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08FAL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his FAL rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==AKMSU==
One of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[AKMSU]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[File:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, one of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his AKMSU in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==M1 Carbine==
Tyreese uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in the same episode.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms) - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men holds his M1 Carbine behind Tara in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tyreese fires his M1 Carbine next to Sasha in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close-up of the M1 Carbine as Tyreese fires it in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Valmet M76==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Valmet M76]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ValmetM76.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Valmet M76 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Valmet in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The man fires his Valmet at Daryl Dixon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Norinco Type 56==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) uses a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Type56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tara holds the Type 56 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Norinco Type 56-1]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:297 (Type56-1).JPG|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant, early model with milled receiver) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWSD04E08Type56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Michonne trips one of The Governor's men over who is holding a Type 56-1 rifle (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Type 56-1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
Carl Grimes uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] rifle in "Infected" (S4E02) when walkers threaten Michonne. One of the prison survivors also uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Remington 700 BDL in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08SniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors fires his Remington in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Remington 7400==
One of the Governor's troops uses a [[Remington 7400]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:R742-Lot696.jpg|thumb|none|480px|Remington 7400 with a Scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BAR.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The militia member in the green fatigues on the left fires the Remington 7400 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Marlin Model 1893==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) uses a [[Marlin Model 1893]] rifle during the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Marlin1893.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marlin Model 1893 - .30-30]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his Marlin next to Daryl, who holds his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl empties his Marlin Model 1893 at a walker in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Martinez and his men stumble upon a body in front of a cabin and on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG AS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft replica of the Steyr SSG.]]
[[File:TWDS4E07_01d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] during a supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident". She uses it during an incident in the Big Spot store in the episode. She later uses it during the mid-season finale, "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K MP5A2 with "tropical" wide handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, Sasha holds the MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S04E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Tyreese in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Bob in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08). Note how Bob's rifle is missing its iron sights.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) continues to carry a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] as his main firearm in Season 4.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez holds the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar carries the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez wields his MP5K as he searches a cabin in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Uzi==
One of the Governor's men uses what appears to be a suppressed [[Uzi]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Upon closer inspection, this weapon appears to be a Umarex .22 caliber version of the submachine gun with its long barrel that could be mistaken for a suppressor.
[[Image:Umarex Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Umarex MP Uzi - .22 cal]]
[[Image:TWDUZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man on the right holds his UZI in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the slot on the Uzi's mag, indicative of a 22 cal. ]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] submachine guns in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5PDW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Governor's men goes down holding his MP5K-PDW in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Shotguns=
==Ithaca 37 (sawed-off)==
In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.
[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|460px|none|Ithaca 37 with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), a closeup of the Ithaca being slid across the prison bars.]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) grabs and throws a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Persuader]] onto a pick-up truck in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) later uses it in the same episode during the supply run in the same episode.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Persuader with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TyreeseMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg shotgun in a promotional still.]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds the Mossberg in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg as he looks into what used to be a military encampment in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mossberg 500 Persuader leans against the wall to the right in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is again seen in Season 4. Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) uses a Remington 870 shotgun during the supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A [[Remington 870]] shotgun makes a return appearance being fired by an elderly former Woodbury resident in "Infected" (S4E02). Daryl Dixon takes the shotgun from the elderly man, and gives it to Rick, who uses it until it runs out of ammo.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds the Remington in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:870oldman.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An elderly former Woodbury resident fires his Remington in "Infected" (S4E02)]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick checks if the Remington is still loaded in "Infected" (S4E02).]]

==UTAS UTS-15==
One of The Governor's men uses a [[UTAS UTS-15]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:UTAS UTS-15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08UTAS.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of The Governor's men holds his UTS-15 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Other=
==Stryker Strykezone 380==
Daryl continues to carry the Stryker Strykezone 380 crossbow in Season 4.
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[Image:TWS4E01_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl leads the way armed with his crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Strikerdaryl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Crossbow.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl reloads his crossbow in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Stryker.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl holds his Stryker crossbow in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Mk II hand grenade==
Daryl uses [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s against the Governor's men and the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 67.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenades against the Governor's men in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 68.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenade against the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== M60 Patton ==
First seen in "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. This tank appears to be an M60 Patton, a US tank primarily used by the US military from the sixties to the nineties, and was retired from service in 1997. The tank is prominently seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08) and was rented by the production from a private collector.
[[File:TWDS4E07_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), the tank is seen in the survivors' camp.]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank bursts through the gates in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank fires its cannon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

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The Walking Dead - Season 4

2013-12-19T20:01:18Z

Bahlemar: /* M4A1 */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Walking Dead - Season 4
|picture=WalkingDeadS4.jpg
|country=[[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel=AMC
|genre=Horror Drama
|dates=2013-14
|episodes=16
|character1=Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2=Daryl Dixon
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Glenn Rhee
|actor3=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character4=Maggie Greene
|actor4=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character5=Carl Grimes
|actor5=[[Chandler Riggs]]
|character6=Michonne
|actor6=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character7=Carol Peletier
|actor7=[[Melissa McBride]]
|character8=Hershel Greene
|actor8=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character9=Tyreese
|actor9=[[Chad Coleman]]
|character10=Bob Stookey
|actor10=[[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 4|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 4.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 4 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

{{spoilers}}
=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 4.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" barrel and in nickel finish - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds his Python in Season's 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick checks his Python in "Infected" (S4E02). ]]
[[Image:Pyth0ns4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick fires the Python in "Isolation" (S4E03). He's firing the revolver left-handed due to punching Tyrese at the episode's beginning.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick aims his Colt Python in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires his Colt Python in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt Official Police==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) continues to carry a [[Colt Official Police]] as a back-up firearm to his crossbow in season four. He uses it in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01) to fend off several walkers.
[[Image:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Official Police - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WDSeason4COP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds his Colt Official Police revolver as he is surrounded by walkers in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
In "Indifference" (S4E04), Rick hands off a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel]] to survivor Sam. The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Model 10 to survivor Sam in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor holds the revolver while searching the assisted living facility in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).
[[File:Smith&WessonModel36-3InchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (3" barrel and square butt) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use his revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E05Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor fires off a shot as he is being devoured alive in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) continues to carry a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his main firearm in Season 4. Rick is seen returning the pistol to him in "Infected" (S4E02). Bob Stookey ([[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]) also carries one as his sidearm during the season. A survivor has a holstered [[Beretta 92FS]] on his belt in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick returns the pistol to Carl in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:Carolberetta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his suppressed Beretta in the woods (S4E03).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl raises his Beretta on a walker in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob Stookey holds his Beretta in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the right has a Beretta 92FS holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Beretta 92SB (nickel)==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) continues to carry a nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]] as his sidearm in Season 4. During "Live Bait" (S4E06), he gives the pistol away, and uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver he found in a bathtub. Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is also seen handing the pistol back to him in the same episode. Lilly also uses the Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickeled Beretta 92SB Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), the Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]].]]
[[File:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the top, the Beretta 92SB is seen near the S&W M&P9 in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is seen handing the pistol back to him.]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07GovernorBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor aims his nickel Beretta in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BerettaNickel.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor pulls his Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor holds his nickel Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08LilyBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) fires The Governor's Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Glock 19==
Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] as his preferred sidearm in Season 4. Herhsle Greene ([[Scott Wilson]]) also continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] in a belt holster in Season 4. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) also carries a [[Glock 19]] as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn reaches for his Glock 19 in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hershel' Glock in his belt holster in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch speaks with his Glock holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel holds his Glock in the air as he is held at gunpoint in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). One of the Governor's men carries a customized [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07) and "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Colt1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07RiflePistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the left has a holstered Colt in "Dead Weight" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same pistol is seen holsered in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
Rick hands off a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04). Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) also uses a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 45. ACP]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Heckler & Koch P9S to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08P9S.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lilly holds a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] during the supply run in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SIGP226.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese fires his SIG as a walker surprises him, causing him to drop the pistol in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete holds his SIG-Sauer in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) briefly uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A similar Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen again in "Isolation" (S4E03). It is most probably the same prop.
[[Image:3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds his Smith & Wesson in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen on a stick in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor in "Live Bait" (S4E06). She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson". One of the Governor's men also carries a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] with a tan frame, most notably seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Mika Samuels ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) holds a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor. She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson".]]
[[Image:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M&P is seen next to the Governor's nickel Beretta in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Governor's men with a holstered tan-framed M&P pistol in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mika ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) (on the right) holds her M&P in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Walther P99==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) continues to carry a [[Walther P99]] in Season 4.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4 110.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|601px|Maggie fires her P99 in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires her P99 to take out a former survivor turned walker in the prison in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

==Walther P22==
Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) uses a [[Walther P22]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:P22 black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) holds her P22 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note that Lizzie needs two fingers to pull the trigger.]]

=Battle Rifles & Carbines=
==M4A1==
The [[M4A1]] is again seen used throughout Season 4, used by several characters. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) and Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) use [[M4A1]] carbines in "Internment" (S04E05), to fend off several walkers. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) and Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) also carry [[M4A1]] carbines in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). Several characters from both the prison group and the Governor's group wield [[M4A1|M4A1 Carbines]] in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and Troy VFG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS4_102.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Bob keeps watch armed with an M4A1 fitted with just a scope rail attached in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick and Carl open fire with their M4A1 rifles in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha's M4A1 lies on a table in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch carries his rifle in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). The rifle is equipped with an EOTech holo sight, foregrip and Magpul 60-round magazine.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch holds his rifle outside the prison in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth fires an M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of The Governor's men fires his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl fires an M4A1 at the Governor's troops in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) holds her M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine==
What appears to be a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Law Enforcement Carbine|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]] fitted with MAGPUL furniture is used throughout Season 4. The rifle is seen in the hands of Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]), Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]), and Beth ([[Emily Kinney]]).
[[File:ColtLE6920MP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt LE 6920 with dark earth MAGPUL furniture]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Glenn cradles the rifle fitted with some Magpul furniture before they prepare to enter the Big Spot Store in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle appears to be the same rifle fitted with Magpul furniture that Glenn used in the season premiere.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth holds both her own M4A1 and Maggie's rifle fitted with Magpul furniture in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Knight's Armament SR-15 E3 IWS==
Bob Stookey uses a [[Knight's Armament SR-15]] rifle in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:KAC SR-15 E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-15 E3- 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
Phillip Blake, aka The Governor, carries a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). It is unknown if this is supposed to be the weapon he carried during the third season, since he wasn't seen with it in the previous episodes of Season 4 (though it is likely since it may have been left in the truck Martinez took from the Governor and ultimately ended up at the camp with). The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as unlike the M4A1 they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blake holds his Steyr AUG in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==FN FAL==
Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses an [[FN FAL]] rifle during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's troops also uses an [[FN FAL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete with his FN FAL slung on his back in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08FAL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his FAL rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==AKMSU==
One of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[AKMSU]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[File:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, one of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his AKMSU in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==M1 Carbine==
Tyreese uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in the same episode.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms) - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men holds his M1 Carbine behind Tara in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tyreese fires his M1 Carbine next to Sasha in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close-up of the M1 Carbine as Tyreese fires it in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Valmet M76==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Valmet M76]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ValmetM76.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Valmet M76 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Valmet in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The man fires his Valmet at Daryl Dixon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Norinco Type 56==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) uses a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Type56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tara holds the Type 56 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Norinco Type 56-1]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:297 (Type56-1).JPG|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant, early model with milled receiver) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWSD04E08Type56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Michonne trips one of The Governor's men over who is holding a Type 56-1 rifle (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Type 56-1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

=Rifles=
==Remington 700 BDL==
Carl Grimes uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] rifle in "Infected" (S4E02) when walkers threaten Michonne. One of the prison survivors also uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Remington 700 BDL in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08SniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors fires his Remington in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Remington 7400==
One of the Governor's troops uses a [[Remington 7400]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:R742-Lot696.jpg|thumb|none|480px|Remington 7400 with a Scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BAR.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The militia member in the green fatigues on the left fires the Remington 7400 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Marlin Model 1893==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) uses a [[Marlin Model 1893]] rifle during the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Marlin1893.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marlin Model 1893 - .30-30]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his Marlin next to Daryl, who holds his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl empties his Marlin Model 1893 at a walker in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Martinez and his men stumble upon a body in front of a cabin and on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG AS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft replica of the Steyr SSG.]]
[[File:TWDS4E07_01d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] during a supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident". She uses it during an incident in the Big Spot store in the episode. She later uses it during the mid-season finale, "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K MP5A2 with "tropical" wide handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, Sasha holds the MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S04E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Tyreese in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Bob in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08). Note how Bob's rifle is missing its iron sights.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) continues to carry a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] as his main firearm in Season 4.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez holds the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar carries the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez wields his MP5K as he searches a cabin in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==IMI Uzi==
One of the Governor's men uses a suppressed [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDUZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man on the right holds his UZI in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] submachine guns in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5PDW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Governor's men goes down holding his MP5K-PDW in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Shotguns=
==Ithaca 37 (sawed-off)==
In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.
[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|460px|none|Ithaca 37 with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), a closeup of the Ithaca being slid across the prison bars.]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) grabs and throws a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Persuader]] onto a pick-up truck in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) later uses it in the same episode during the supply run in the same episode.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Persuader with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TyreeseMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg shotgun in a promotional still.]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds the Mossberg in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg as he looks into what used to be a military encampment in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mossberg 500 Persuader leans against the wall to the right in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is again seen in Season 4. Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) uses a Remington 870 shotgun during the supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A [[Remington 870]] shotgun makes a return appearance being fired by an elderly former Woodbury resident in "Infected" (S4E02). Daryl Dixon takes the shotgun from the elderly man, and gives it to Rick, who uses it until it runs out of ammo.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds the Remington in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:870oldman.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An elderly former Woodbury resident fires his Remington in "Infected" (S4E02)]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick checks if the Remington is still loaded in "Infected" (S4E02).]]

==UTAS UTS-15==
One of The Governor's men uses a [[UTAS UTS-15]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:UTAS UTS-15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08UTAS.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of The Governor's men holds his UTS-15 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Other=
==Stryker Strykezone 380==
Daryl continues to carry the Stryker Strykezone 380 crossbow in Season 4.
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[Image:TWS4E01_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl leads the way armed with his crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Strikerdaryl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Crossbow.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl reloads his crossbow in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Stryker.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl holds his Stryker crossbow in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

===Mk II hand grenade===
Daryl uses [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s against the Governor's men and the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 67.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenades against the Governor's men in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 68.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenade against the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== M60 Tank ==
First seen in "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. This tank appears to be an M60 Patton, a US tank primarily used during the Vietnam War, and was retired from service in the 1990's. The tank is also seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The tank used in the production was rented from a private collector.
[[File:TWDS4E07_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), the tank is seen in the survivors' camp.]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank bursts through the gates in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank fires its cannon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

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The Walking Dead - Season 4

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Bahlemar: /* Beretta 92SB (nickel) */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Walking Dead - Season 4
|picture=WalkingDeadS4.jpg
|country=[[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel=AMC
|genre=Horror Drama
|dates=2013-14
|episodes=16
|character1=Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2=Daryl Dixon
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Glenn Rhee
|actor3=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character4=Maggie Greene
|actor4=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character5=Carl Grimes
|actor5=[[Chandler Riggs]]
|character6=Michonne
|actor6=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character7=Carol Peletier
|actor7=[[Melissa McBride]]
|character8=Hershel Greene
|actor8=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character9=Tyreese
|actor9=[[Chad Coleman]]
|character10=Bob Stookey
|actor10=[[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 4|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 4.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 4 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

{{spoilers}}
=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 4.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" barrel and in nickel finish - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds his Python in Season's 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick checks his Python in "Infected" (S4E02). ]]
[[Image:Pyth0ns4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick fires the Python in "Isolation" (S4E03). He's firing the revolver left-handed due to punching Tyrese at the episode's beginning.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick aims his Colt Python in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires his Colt Python in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt Official Police==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) continues to carry a [[Colt Official Police]] as a back-up firearm to his crossbow in season four. He uses it in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01) to fend off several walkers.
[[Image:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Official Police - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WDSeason4COP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds his Colt Official Police revolver as he is surrounded by walkers in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
In "Indifference" (S4E04), Rick hands off a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel]] to survivor Sam. The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Model 10 to survivor Sam in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor holds the revolver while searching the assisted living facility in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).
[[File:Smith&WessonModel36-3InchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (3" barrel and square butt) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use his revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E05Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor fires off a shot as he is being devoured alive in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) continues to carry a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his main firearm in Season 4. Rick is seen returning the pistol to him in "Infected" (S4E02). Bob Stookey ([[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]) also carries one as his sidearm during the season. A survivor has a holstered [[Beretta 92FS]] on his belt in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick returns the pistol to Carl in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:Carolberetta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his suppressed Beretta in the woods (S4E03).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl raises his Beretta on a walker in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob Stookey holds his Beretta in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the right has a Beretta 92FS holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Beretta 92SB (nickel)==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) continues to carry a nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]] as his sidearm in Season 4. During "Live Bait" (S4E06), he gives the pistol away, and uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver he found in a bathtub. Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is also seen handing the pistol back to him in the same episode. Lilly also uses the Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickeled Beretta 92SB Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), the Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]].]]
[[File:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the top, the Beretta 92SB is seen near the S&W M&P9 in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is seen handing the pistol back to him.]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07GovernorBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor aims his nickel Beretta in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BerettaNickel.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor pulls his Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor holds his nickel Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08LilyBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) fires The Governor's Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Glock 19==
Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] as his preferred sidearm in Season 4. Herhsle Greene ([[Scott Wilson]]) also continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] in a belt holster in Season 4. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) also carries a [[Glock 19]] as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn reaches for his Glock 19 in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hershel' Glock in his belt holster in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch speaks with his Glock holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel holds his Glock in the air as he is held at gunpoint in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). One of the Governor's men carries a customized [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07) and "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Colt1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07RiflePistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the left has a holstered Colt in "Dead Weight" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same pistol is seen holsered in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
Rick hands off a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04). Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) also uses a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 45. ACP]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Heckler & Koch P9S to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08P9S.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lilly holds a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] during the supply run in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SIGP226.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese fires his SIG as a walker surprises him, causing him to drop the pistol in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete holds his SIG-Sauer in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) briefly uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A similar Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen again in "Isolation" (S4E03). It is most probably the same prop.
[[Image:3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds his Smith & Wesson in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen on a stick in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor in "Live Bait" (S4E06). She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson". One of the Governor's men also carries a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] with a tan frame, most notably seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Mika Samuels ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) holds a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor. She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson".]]
[[Image:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M&P is seen next to the Governor's nickel Beretta in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Governor's men with a holstered tan-framed M&P pistol in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mika ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) (on the right) holds her M&P in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Walther P99==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) continues to carry a [[Walther P99]] in Season 4.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4 110.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|601px|Maggie fires her P99 in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires her P99 to take out a former survivor turned walker in the prison in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

==Walther P22==
Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) uses a [[Walther P22]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:P22 black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) holds her P22 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note that Lizzie needs two fingers to pull the trigger.]]

=Battle Rifles & Carbines=
==M4A1==
The [[M4A1]] is again seen used throughout Season 4, used by several characters. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) and Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) use [[M4A1]] carbines in "Internment" (S04E05), to fend off several walkers. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) and Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) also carry [[M4A1]] carbines in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). Several characters from both the prison group and the Governor's group wield [[M4A1|M4A1 Carbines]] in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and Troy VFG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS4_102.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Bob keeps watch armed with an M4A1 fitted with just a scope rail attached in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick and Carl open fire with their M4A1 rifles in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha's M4A1 lies on a table in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch carries his rifle in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). The rifle is equipped with an EOTech holo sight, foregrip and Magpul 60-round magazine.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch holds his rifle outside the prison in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth fires an M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of The Governor's men fires his M4A1 at Daryl in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl fires an M4A1 at the Governor's troops in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) holds her M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine==
What appears to be a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Law Enforcement Carbine|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]] fitted with MAGPUL furniture is used throughout Season 4. The rifle is seen in the hands of Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]), Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]), and Beth ([[Emily Kinney]]).
[[File:ColtLE6920MP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt LE 6920 with dark earth MAGPUL furniture]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Glenn cradles the rifle fitted with some Magpul furniture before they prepare to enter the Big Spot Store in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle appears to be the same rifle fitted with Magpul furniture that Glenn used in the season premiere.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth holds both her own M4A1 and Maggie's rifle fitted with Magpul furniture in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Knight's Armament SR-15 E3 IWS==
Bob Stookey uses a [[Knight's Armament SR-15]] rifle in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:KAC SR-15 E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-15 E3- 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
Phillip Blake, aka The Governor, carries a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). It is unknown if this is supposed to be the weapon he carried during the third season, since he wasn't seen with it in the previous episodes of Season 4 (though it is likely since it may have been left in the truck Martinez took from the Governor and ultimately ended up at the camp with). The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as unlike the M4A1 they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blake holds his Steyr AUG in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==FN FAL==
Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses an [[FN FAL]] rifle during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's troops also uses an [[FN FAL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete with his FN FAL slung on his back in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08FAL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his FAL rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==AKMSU==
One of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[AKMSU]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[File:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, one of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his AKMSU in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==M1 Carbine==
Tyreese uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in the same episode.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms) - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men holds his M1 Carbine behind Tara in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tyreese fires his M1 Carbine next to Sasha in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close-up of the M1 Carbine as Tyreese fires it in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Valmet M76==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Valmet M76]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ValmetM76.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Valmet M76 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Valmet in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The man fires his Valmet at Daryl Dixon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Norinco Type 56==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) uses a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Type56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tara holds the Type 56 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Norinco Type 56-1]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:297 (Type56-1).JPG|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant, early model with milled receiver) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWSD04E08Type56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Michonne trips one of The Governor's men over who is holding a Type 56-1 rifle (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Type 56-1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

=Rifles=
==Remington 700 BDL==
Carl Grimes uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] rifle in "Infected" (S4E02) when walkers threaten Michonne. One of the prison survivors also uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Remington 700 BDL in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08SniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors fires his Remington in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Remington 7400==
One of the Governor's troops uses a [[Remington 7400]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:R742-Lot696.jpg|thumb|none|480px|Remington 7400 with a Scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BAR.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The militia member in the green fatigues on the left fires the Remington 7400 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Marlin Model 1893==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) uses a [[Marlin Model 1893]] rifle during the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Marlin1893.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marlin Model 1893 - .30-30]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his Marlin next to Daryl, who holds his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl empties his Marlin Model 1893 at a walker in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Martinez and his men stumble upon a body in front of a cabin and on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG AS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft replica of the Steyr SSG.]]
[[File:TWDS4E07_01d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] during a supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident". She uses it during an incident in the Big Spot store in the episode. She later uses it during the mid-season finale, "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K MP5A2 with "tropical" wide handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, Sasha holds the MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S04E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Tyreese in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Bob in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08). Note how Bob's rifle is missing its iron sights.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) continues to carry a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] as his main firearm in Season 4.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez holds the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar carries the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez wields his MP5K as he searches a cabin in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==IMI Uzi==
One of the Governor's men uses a suppressed [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDUZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man on the right holds his UZI in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] submachine guns in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5PDW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Governor's men goes down holding his MP5K-PDW in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Shotguns=
==Ithaca 37 (sawed-off)==
In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.
[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|460px|none|Ithaca 37 with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), a closeup of the Ithaca being slid across the prison bars.]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) grabs and throws a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Persuader]] onto a pick-up truck in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) later uses it in the same episode during the supply run in the same episode.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Persuader with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TyreeseMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg shotgun in a promotional still.]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds the Mossberg in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg as he looks into what used to be a military encampment in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mossberg 500 Persuader leans against the wall to the right in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is again seen in Season 4. Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) uses a Remington 870 shotgun during the supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A [[Remington 870]] shotgun makes a return appearance being fired by an elderly former Woodbury resident in "Infected" (S4E02). Daryl Dixon takes the shotgun from the elderly man, and gives it to Rick, who uses it until it runs out of ammo.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds the Remington in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:870oldman.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An elderly former Woodbury resident fires his Remington in "Infected" (S4E02)]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick checks if the Remington is still loaded in "Infected" (S4E02).]]

==UTAS UTS-15==
One of The Governor's men uses a [[UTAS UTS-15]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:UTAS UTS-15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08UTAS.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of The Governor's men holds his UTS-15 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Other=
==Stryker Strykezone 380==
Daryl continues to carry the Stryker Strykezone 380 crossbow in Season 4.
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[Image:TWS4E01_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl leads the way armed with his crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Strikerdaryl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Crossbow.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl reloads his crossbow in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Stryker.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl holds his Stryker crossbow in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

===Mk II hand grenade===
Daryl uses [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s against the Governor's men and the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 67.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenades against the Governor's men in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 68.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenade against the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== M60 Tank ==
First seen in "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. This tank appears to be an M60 Patton, a US tank primarily used during the Vietnam War, and was retired from service in the 1990's. The tank is also seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The tank used in the production was rented from a private collector.
[[File:TWDS4E07_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), the tank is seen in the survivors' camp.]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank bursts through the gates in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank fires its cannon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

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The Walking Dead - Season 4

2013-12-19T19:57:28Z

Bahlemar: /* Colt Python */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Walking Dead - Season 4
|picture=WalkingDeadS4.jpg
|country=[[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel=AMC
|genre=Horror Drama
|dates=2013-14
|episodes=16
|character1=Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2=Daryl Dixon
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Glenn Rhee
|actor3=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character4=Maggie Greene
|actor4=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character5=Carl Grimes
|actor5=[[Chandler Riggs]]
|character6=Michonne
|actor6=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character7=Carol Peletier
|actor7=[[Melissa McBride]]
|character8=Hershel Greene
|actor8=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character9=Tyreese
|actor9=[[Chad Coleman]]
|character10=Bob Stookey
|actor10=[[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 4|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 4.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 4 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

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{{spoilers}}
=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 4.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" barrel and in nickel finish - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds his Python in Season's 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick checks his Python in "Infected" (S4E02). ]]
[[Image:Pyth0ns4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick fires the Python in "Isolation" (S4E03). He's firing the revolver left-handed due to punching Tyrese at the episode's beginning.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick aims his Colt Python in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires his Colt Python in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt Official Police==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) continues to carry a [[Colt Official Police]] as a back-up firearm to his crossbow in season four. He uses it in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01) to fend off several walkers.
[[Image:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Official Police - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WDSeason4COP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds his Colt Official Police revolver as he is surrounded by walkers in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
In "Indifference" (S4E04), Rick hands off a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel]] to survivor Sam. The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Model 10 to survivor Sam in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor holds the revolver while searching the assisted living facility in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).
[[File:Smith&WessonModel36-3InchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (3" barrel and square butt) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use his revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E05Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor fires off a shot as he is being devoured alive in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) continues to carry a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his main firearm in Season 4. Rick is seen returning the pistol to him in "Infected" (S4E02). Bob Stookey ([[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]) also carries one as his sidearm during the season. A survivor has a holstered [[Beretta 92FS]] on his belt in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick returns the pistol to Carl in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:Carolberetta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his suppressed Beretta in the woods (S4E03).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl raises his Beretta on a walker in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob Stookey holds his Beretta in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the right has a Beretta 92FS holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Beretta 92SB (nickel)==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) continues to carry a nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]] as his sidearm in Season 4. During "Live Bait" (S4E06), he gives the pistol away, and uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver he found in a bathtub. Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is also seen handing the pistol back to him in the same episode. Lilly also uses the Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickeled Beretta 92SB Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), the Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]].]]
[[File:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the top, the Beretta 92SB is seen near the S&W M&P9 in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is seen handing the pistol back to him.]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07GovernorBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor aims his nickel Beretta in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BerettaNickel.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor pulls his Beretta on Hershel in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor holds his nickel Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08LilyBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) fires The Governor's Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Glock 19==
Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] as his preferred sidearm in Season 4. Herhsle Greene ([[Scott Wilson]]) also continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] in a belt holster in Season 4. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) also carries a [[Glock 19]] as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn reaches for his Glock 19 in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hershel' Glock in his belt holster in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch speaks with his Glock holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel holds his Glock in the air as he is held at gunpoint in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). One of the Governor's men carries a customized [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07) and "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Colt1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07RiflePistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the left has a holstered Colt in "Dead Weight" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same pistol is seen holsered in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
Rick hands off a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04). Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) also uses a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 45. ACP]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Heckler & Koch P9S to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08P9S.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lilly holds a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] during the supply run in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SIGP226.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese fires his SIG as a walker surprises him, causing him to drop the pistol in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete holds his SIG-Sauer in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) briefly uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A similar Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen again in "Isolation" (S4E03). It is most probably the same prop.
[[Image:3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds his Smith & Wesson in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen on a stick in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor in "Live Bait" (S4E06). She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson". One of the Governor's men also carries a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] with a tan frame, most notably seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Mika Samuels ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) holds a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor. She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson".]]
[[Image:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M&P is seen next to the Governor's nickel Beretta in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Governor's men with a holstered tan-framed M&P pistol in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mika ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) (on the right) holds her M&P in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Walther P99==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) continues to carry a [[Walther P99]] in Season 4.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4 110.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|601px|Maggie fires her P99 in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires her P99 to take out a former survivor turned walker in the prison in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

==Walther P22==
Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) uses a [[Walther P22]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:P22 black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) holds her P22 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note that Lizzie needs two fingers to pull the trigger.]]

=Battle Rifles & Carbines=
==M4A1==
The [[M4A1]] is again seen used throughout Season 4, used by several characters. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) and Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) use [[M4A1]] carbines in "Internment" (S04E05), to fend off several walkers. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) and Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) also carry [[M4A1]] carbines in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). Several characters from both the prison group and the Governor's group wield [[M4A1|M4A1 Carbines]] in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and Troy VFG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS4_102.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Bob keeps watch armed with an M4A1 fitted with just a scope rail attached in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick and Carl open fire with their M4A1 rifles in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha's M4A1 lies on a table in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch carries his rifle in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). The rifle is equipped with an EOTech holo sight, foregrip and Magpul 60-round magazine.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch holds his rifle outside the prison in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth fires an M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of The Governor's men fires his M4A1 at Daryl in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl fires an M4A1 at the Governor's troops in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) holds her M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine==
What appears to be a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Law Enforcement Carbine|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]] fitted with MAGPUL furniture is used throughout Season 4. The rifle is seen in the hands of Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]), Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]), and Beth ([[Emily Kinney]]).
[[File:ColtLE6920MP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt LE 6920 with dark earth MAGPUL furniture]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Glenn cradles the rifle fitted with some Magpul furniture before they prepare to enter the Big Spot Store in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle appears to be the same rifle fitted with Magpul furniture that Glenn used in the season premiere.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth holds both her own M4A1 and Maggie's rifle fitted with Magpul furniture in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Knight's Armament SR-15 E3 IWS==
Bob Stookey uses a [[Knight's Armament SR-15]] rifle in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:KAC SR-15 E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-15 E3- 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
Phillip Blake, aka The Governor, carries a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). It is unknown if this is supposed to be the weapon he carried during the third season, since he wasn't seen with it in the previous episodes of Season 4 (though it is likely since it may have been left in the truck Martinez took from the Governor and ultimately ended up at the camp with). The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as unlike the M4A1 they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blake holds his Steyr AUG in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==FN FAL==
Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses an [[FN FAL]] rifle during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's troops also uses an [[FN FAL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete with his FN FAL slung on his back in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08FAL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his FAL rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==AKMSU==
One of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[AKMSU]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[File:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, one of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his AKMSU in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==M1 Carbine==
Tyreese uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in the same episode.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms) - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men holds his M1 Carbine behind Tara in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tyreese fires his M1 Carbine next to Sasha in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close-up of the M1 Carbine as Tyreese fires it in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Valmet M76==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Valmet M76]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ValmetM76.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Valmet M76 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Valmet in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The man fires his Valmet at Daryl Dixon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Norinco Type 56==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) uses a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Type56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tara holds the Type 56 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Norinco Type 56-1]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:297 (Type56-1).JPG|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant, early model with milled receiver) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWSD04E08Type56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Michonne trips one of The Governor's men over who is holding a Type 56-1 rifle (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Type 56-1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

=Rifles=
==Remington 700 BDL==
Carl Grimes uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] rifle in "Infected" (S4E02) when walkers threaten Michonne. One of the prison survivors also uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Remington 700 BDL in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08SniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors fires his Remington in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Remington 7400==
One of the Governor's troops uses a [[Remington 7400]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:R742-Lot696.jpg|thumb|none|480px|Remington 7400 with a Scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BAR.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The militia member in the green fatigues on the left fires the Remington 7400 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Marlin Model 1893==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) uses a [[Marlin Model 1893]] rifle during the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Marlin1893.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marlin Model 1893 - .30-30]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his Marlin next to Daryl, who holds his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl empties his Marlin Model 1893 at a walker in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Martinez and his men stumble upon a body in front of a cabin and on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG AS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft replica of the Steyr SSG.]]
[[File:TWDS4E07_01d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] during a supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident". She uses it during an incident in the Big Spot store in the episode. She later uses it during the mid-season finale, "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K MP5A2 with "tropical" wide handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, Sasha holds the MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S04E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Tyreese in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Bob in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08). Note how Bob's rifle is missing its iron sights.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) continues to carry a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] as his main firearm in Season 4.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez holds the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar carries the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez wields his MP5K as he searches a cabin in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==IMI Uzi==
One of the Governor's men uses a suppressed [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDUZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man on the right holds his UZI in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] submachine guns in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5PDW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Governor's men goes down holding his MP5K-PDW in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Shotguns=
==Ithaca 37 (sawed-off)==
In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.
[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|460px|none|Ithaca 37 with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), a closeup of the Ithaca being slid across the prison bars.]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) grabs and throws a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Persuader]] onto a pick-up truck in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) later uses it in the same episode during the supply run in the same episode.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Persuader with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TyreeseMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg shotgun in a promotional still.]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds the Mossberg in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg as he looks into what used to be a military encampment in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mossberg 500 Persuader leans against the wall to the right in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is again seen in Season 4. Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) uses a Remington 870 shotgun during the supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A [[Remington 870]] shotgun makes a return appearance being fired by an elderly former Woodbury resident in "Infected" (S4E02). Daryl Dixon takes the shotgun from the elderly man, and gives it to Rick, who uses it until it runs out of ammo.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds the Remington in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:870oldman.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An elderly former Woodbury resident fires his Remington in "Infected" (S4E02)]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick checks if the Remington is still loaded in "Infected" (S4E02).]]

==UTAS UTS-15==
One of The Governor's men uses a [[UTAS UTS-15]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:UTAS UTS-15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08UTAS.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of The Governor's men holds his UTS-15 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Other=
==Stryker Strykezone 380==
Daryl continues to carry the Stryker Strykezone 380 crossbow in Season 4.
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[Image:TWS4E01_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl leads the way armed with his crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Strikerdaryl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Crossbow.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl reloads his crossbow in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Stryker.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl holds his Stryker crossbow in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

===Mk II hand grenade===
Daryl uses [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s against the Governor's men and the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 67.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenades against the Governor's men in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 68.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenade against the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== M60 Tank ==
First seen in "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. This tank appears to be an M60 Patton, a US tank primarily used during the Vietnam War, and was retired from service in the 1990's. The tank is also seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The tank used in the production was rented from a private collector.
[[File:TWDS4E07_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), the tank is seen in the survivors' camp.]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank bursts through the gates in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank fires its cannon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

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The Walking Dead - Season 4

2013-12-05T19:21:44Z

Bahlemar: /* Colt Python */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Walking Dead - Season 4
|picture=WalkingDeadS4.jpg
|country=[[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel=AMC
|genre=Horror Drama
|dates=2013-14
|episodes=16
|character1=Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2=Daryl Dixon
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Glenn Rhee
|actor3=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character4=Maggie Greene
|actor4=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character5=Carl Grimes
|actor5=[[Chandler Riggs]]
|character6=Michonne
|actor6=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character7=Carol Peletier
|actor7=[[Melissa McBride]]
|character8=Hershel Greene
|actor8=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character9=Tyreese
|actor9=[[Chad Coleman]]
|character10=Bob Stookey
|actor10=[[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 4|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 4.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 4 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

{{spoilers}}
=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 4.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" barrel and in nickel finish - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds his Python on a woman in Season's 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick checks his Python in "Infected" (S4E02). ]]
[[Image:Pyth0ns4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick fires the Python in "Isolation" (S4E03). He's firing the revolver left-handed due to punching Tyrese at the episode's beginning.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E4Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick aims his Colt Python in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Python.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires his Colt Python in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt Official Police==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) continues to carry a [[Colt Official Police]] as a back-up firearm to his crossbow in season four. He uses it in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01) to fend off several walkers.
[[Image:ColtOPin32-20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Official Police - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WDSeason4COP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds his Colt Official Police revolver as he is surrounded by walkers in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
In "Indifference" (S4E04), Rick hands off a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel]] to survivor Sam. The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Model 10 to survivor Sam in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor finds a Model 10 in a bathtub in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor holds the revolver while searching the assisted living facility in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).
[[File:Smith&WessonModel36-3InchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (3" barrel and square butt) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors in the infected prison wing attempts to use his revolver, but is attacked by a walker in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E05Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor fires off a shot as he is being devoured alive in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) continues to carry a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his main firearm in Season 4. Rick is seen returning the pistol to him in "Infected" (S4E02). Bob Stookey ([[Lawrence Gilliard Jr.]]) also carries one as his sidearm during the season. A survivor has a holstered [[Beretta 92FS]] on his belt in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick returns the pistol to Carl in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:Carolberetta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his suppressed Beretta in the woods (S4E03).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl raises his Beretta on a walker in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob Stookey holds his Beretta in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the right has a Beretta 92FS holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Beretta 92SB (nickel)==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) continues to carry a nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]] as his sidearm in Season 4. During "Live Bait" (S4E06), he gives the pistol away, and uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver he found in a bathtub. Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is also seen handing the pistol back to him in the same episode. Lilly also uses the Beretta in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickeled Beretta 92SB Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), the Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his nickel finish [[Beretta 92SB]].]]
[[File:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the top, the Beretta 92SB is seen near the S&W M&P9 in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) is seen handing the pistol back to him.]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07GovernorBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor aims his nickel Beretta in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BerettaNickel.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor pulls his Beretta on Hershel in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Governor holds his nickel Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08LilyBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) fires The Governor's Beretta 92SB in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Glock 19==
Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] as his preferred sidearm in Season 4. Herhsle Greene ([[Scott Wilson]]) also continues to carry a [[Glock 19]] in a belt holster in Season 4. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) also carries a [[Glock 19]] as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn reaches for his Glock 19 in "30 Days Without An Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Carlberetta2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Hershel' Glock in his belt holster in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch speaks with his Glock holstered in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel holds his Glock in the air as he is held at gunpoint in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Colt MK IV Series 70==
Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). One of the Governor's men carries a customized [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07) and "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Colt1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rick finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Mk IV Series 70]] while digging in the earth in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07RiflePistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The survivor on the left has a holstered Colt in "Dead Weight" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same pistol is seen holsered in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
Rick hands off a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04). Lilly Chambler ([[Audrey Marie Anderson]]) also uses a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 45. ACP]]
[[Image:TWDS4E04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick hands off a Heckler & Koch P9S to survivor Ana in "Indifference" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08P9S.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lilly holds a P9S in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] during the supply run in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]as his sidearm in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SIGP226.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese fires his SIG as a walker surprises him, causing him to drop the pistol in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete holds his SIG-Sauer in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913==
Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) briefly uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3913]] in "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A similar Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen again in "Isolation" (S4E03). It is most probably the same prop.
[[Image:3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WDSeason4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds his Smith & Wesson in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4SmithAuto.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson 3913 is seen on a stick in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]

==Smith & Wesson M&P==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor in "Live Bait" (S4E06). She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson". One of the Governor's men also carries a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] with a tan frame, most notably seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Mika Samuels ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) holds a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Live Bait" (S4E06), Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) draws a [[Smith & Wesson M&P]] pistol when she confronts the Governor. She describes the pistol a "fully loaded standard issue Smith & Wesson".]]
[[Image:TWDLiveBait92SB&M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M&P is seen next to the Governor's nickel Beretta in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M&P.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of Governor's men with a holstered tan-framed M&P pistol in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mika ([[Kyla Kennedy]]) (on the right) holds her M&P in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Walther P99==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) continues to carry a [[Walther P99]] in Season 4.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4 110.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|601px|Maggie fires her P99 in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires her P99 to take out a former survivor turned walker in the prison in "Internment" (S4E05).]]

==Walther P22==
Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) uses a [[Walther P22]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:P22 black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Walther P22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:TWDS04P22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, Lizzie Samuels ([[Brighton Sharbino]]) holds her P22 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note that Lizzie needs two fingers to pull the trigger.]]

=Battle Rifles & Carbines=
==M4A1==
The [[M4A1]] is again seen used throughout Season 4, used by several characters. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) and Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) use [[M4A1]] carbines in "Internment" (S04E05), to fend off several walkers. Mitch Dolgen ([[Kirk Acevedo]]) and Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) also carry [[M4A1]] carbines in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). Several characters from both the prison group and the Governor's group wield [[M4A1|M4A1 Carbines]] in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and Troy VFG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS4_102.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Bob keeps watch armed with an M4A1 fitted with just a scope rail attached in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E05_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick and Carl open fire with their M4A1 rifles in "Internment" (S4E05).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha's M4A1 lies on a table in "Dead Weight" (S04E07).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch carries his rifle in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). The rifle is equipped with an EOTech holo sight, foregrip and Magpul 60-round magazine.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch holds his rifle outside the prison in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth fires an M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of The Governor's men fires his M4A1 at Daryl in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl fires an M4A1 at the Governor's troops in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alisha ([[Juliana Harkavy]]) holds her M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine==
What appears to be a [[M16 rifle series#Colt Law Enforcement Carbine|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]] fitted with MAGPUL furniture is used throughout Season 4. The rifle is seen in the hands of Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]), Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]), and Beth ([[Emily Kinney]]).
[[File:ColtLE6920MP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt LE 6920 with dark earth MAGPUL furniture]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Glenn cradles the rifle fitted with some Magpul furniture before they prepare to enter the Big Spot Store in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The rifle appears to be the same rifle fitted with Magpul furniture that Glenn used in the season premiere.]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M4-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth holds both her own M4A1 and Maggie's rifle fitted with Magpul furniture in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Knight's Armament SR-15 E3 IWS==
Bob Stookey uses a [[Knight's Armament SR-15]] rifle in the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:KAC SR-15 E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-15 E3- 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl hands Bob the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires the rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bob fires in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Rifle2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie holds Bob's rifle after he is injured in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
Phillip Blake, aka The Governor, carries a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S04E07). It is unknown if this is supposed to be the weapon he carried during the third season, since he wasn't seen with it in the previous episodes of Season 4 (though it is likely since it may have been left in the truck Martinez took from the Governor and ultimately ended up at the camp with). The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely rare in the United States, as unlike the M4A1 they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blake holds his Steyr AUG in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==FN FAL==
Pete Dolgen ([[Enver Gjokaj]]) uses an [[FN FAL]] rifle during a hunting trip in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's troops also uses an [[FN FAL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pete with his FN FAL slung on his back in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08FAL.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his FAL rifle (S4E08).]]

==AKMSU==
One of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[AKMSU]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[File:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, one of the survivors in Martinez's camp is seen carrying an [[AKMSU]] in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his AKMSU (S4E08).]]

==M1 Carbine==
Tyreese uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). One of the Governor's men also uses an [[M1 Carbine]] in the same episode.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Modern Manufactured version of the M1 Carbine, with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms) - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men holds his M1 Carbine behind Tara in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tyreese fires his M1 Carbine next to Sasha in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08M1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Close-up of the M1 Carbine as Tyreese fires it in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Valmet M76==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Valmet M76]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:ValmetM76.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Valmet M76 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Valmet in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Valmet-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The man fires his Valmet at Daryl Dixon (S4E08).]]

==Norinco Type 56==
Tara Chambler ([[Alanna Masterson]]) uses a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Type56.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tara holds the Type 56 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Norinco Type 56-1]] rifles in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:297 (Type56-1).JPG|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant, early model with milled receiver) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TWSD04E08Type56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Michonne trips one of The Governor's men over who is holding a Type 56-1 rifle (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Governor's men fires his Type 56-1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). Note the hooded front sight.]]

=Rifles=
==Remington 700 BDL==
Carl Grimes uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] rifle in "Infected" (S4E02) when walkers threaten Michonne. One of the prison survivors also uses a [[Remington 700 BDL]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Remington 700 BDL in "Infected" (S4E02).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08SniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the survivors fires his Remington in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Remington 7400==
One of the Governor's troops uses a [[Remington 7400]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:R742-Lot696.jpg|thumb|none|480px|Remington 7400 with a Scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08BAR.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The militia member in the green fatigues on the left fires the Remington 7400 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Marlin Model 1893==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) uses a [[Marlin Model 1893]] rifle during the mid-season finale "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Marlin1893.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marlin Model 1893 - .30-30]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl holds his Marlin next to Daryl, who holds his M4A1 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Marlin-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl empties his Marlin Model 1893 at a walker in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), Martinez and his men stumble upon a body in front of a cabin and on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG AS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft replica of the Steyr SSG.]]
[[File:TWDS4E07_01d.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), on the floor is seen what appears to be a [[Steyr SSG 69]] rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] during a supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without An Accident". She uses it during an incident in the Big Spot store in the episode. She later uses it during the mid-season finale, "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K MP5A2 with "tropical" wide handguard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|On the right, Sasha holds the MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S04E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08CarbMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Tyreese in "Too Far Gone" (S04E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5SomeRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sasha fires her MP5A2 next to Bob (S4E08). Note how Bob's rifle is missing its iron sights.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) continues to carry a [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] as his main firearm in Season 4.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar Martinez holds the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E06_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Caesar carries the MP5K in "Live Bait" (S4E06).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS04E07MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez wields his MP5K as he searches a cabin in "Dead Weight" (S4E07).]]

==IMI Uzi==
One of the Governor's men uses a suppressed [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with buttstock extended - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDUZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man on the right holds his UZI in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
Some of the Governor's troops use [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] submachine guns in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08MP5PDW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Governor's men goes down holding his MP5K-PDW in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Shotguns=
==Ithaca 37 (sawed-off)==
In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.
[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|460px|none|Ithaca 37 with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), Hershel uses an [[Ithaca 37]] with a sawed-off barrel and pistol stock to ward off attacking walkers in the prison.]]
[[File:TWDS4E05_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Internment" (S4E05), a closeup of the Ithaca being slid across the prison bars.]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) grabs and throws a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 Persuader]] onto a pick-up truck in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) later uses it in the same episode during the supply run in the same episode.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500 Persuader with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TyreeseMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg shotgun in a promotional still.]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl holds the Mossberg in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Mossberg500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese holds the Mossberg as he looks into what used to be a military encampment in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS4_101.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Mossberg 500 Persuader leans against the wall to the right in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is again seen in Season 4. Zach ([[Kyle Gallner]]) uses a Remington 870 shotgun during the supply run in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01). A [[Remington 870]] shotgun makes a return appearance being fired by an elderly former Woodbury resident in "Infected" (S4E02). Daryl Dixon takes the shotgun from the elderly man, and gives it to Rick, who uses it until it runs out of ammo.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WDSeason4Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zach holds the Remington in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:870oldman.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An elderly former Woodbury resident fires his Remington in "Infected" (S4E02)]]
[[Image:TWDS4E02 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rick checks if the Remington is still loaded in "Infected" (S4E02).]]

==UTAS UTS-15==
One of The Governor's men uses a [[UTAS UTS-15]] in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:UTAS UTS-15.jpg|thumb|none|450px|UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08UTAS.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of The Governor's men holds his UTS-15 in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

=Other=
==Stryker Strykezone 380==
Daryl continues to carry the Stryker Strykezone 380 crossbow in Season 4.
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[Image:TWS4E01_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl leads the way armed with his crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:Strikerdaryl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in Season 4's premiere "30 Days Without an Accident" (S4E01).]]
[[Image:WalkingDeadS4E3Crossbow.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl reloads his crossbow in "Isolation" (S4E03).]]
[[Image:TWDS04E08Stryker.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl holds his Stryker crossbow in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

===Mk II hand grenade===
Daryl uses [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s against the Governor's men and the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 67.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenades against the Governor's men in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[Image:TWDS4E08 68.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Daryl uses Mk II hand grenade against the tank in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

== M60 Tank ==
First seen in "Dead Weight" (S4E07), new character Mitch has a tank that he apparently drove around no problem. This tank appears to be an M60 Patton, a US tank primarily used during the Vietnam War, and was retired from service in the 1990's. The tank is also seen in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08). The tank used in the production was rented from a private collector.
[[File:TWDS4E07_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Dead Weight" (S4E07), the tank is seen in the survivors' camp.]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank bursts through the gates in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]
[[File:TWDS4E08 64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The tank fires its cannon in "Too Far Gone" (S4E08).]]

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Talk:UTAS UTS-15

2013-12-03T13:12:26Z

Bahlemar:

I'm surprised this beat the [[Kel-Tec KSG]] to be in a TV show or film first. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:10, 21 April 2012 (CDT)

Just saw one in the latest episode of the walking dead in the hands of a survivor on the Governors side of the firefight. Forgot how to do the signature at the end of my post, sorry. //Bahlemar

Talk:UTAS UTS-15

2013-12-03T13:12:14Z

Bahlemar:

Arma 3

2013-07-05T13:11:46Z

Bahlemar: /* IMI Negev */

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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = ''ArmA III''
|picture = Arma3BoxArt.jpg
|series = ''[[ArmA]]''
|date = TBA 2013
|developer = Bohemia Interactive Studio
|platforms = PC
|publisher = Bohemia Interactive Studio
|genre = Military-Simulation
}}

'''''ArmA III''''' is an upcoming military-simulation video game developed and published by Bohemia Interactive Studio (BIS) exclusively for the PC. It is the third installment of the ''[[ArmA]]'' series, officially announced on May 19, 2011, and is built around the new ''Real Virtuality 4'' engine owned by BIS. Release date for the game is to be announced during 2013. The playable alpha version of the game was made purchasable on the Steam store and BIS' page on March 5, 2013.

The storyline is set in mid-2030s during an international conflict between NATO and the Iranian Armed Forces in the Aegean Sea. The main protagonist is Captain Scott Miller, a former United Kingdom Special Forces (UKSF) operator who becomes stranded on a 350km² fictional Mediterranean island called "Altis" (Based upon the 475km² Greek island, Lemnos), and must fight his way out by building an effective resistance force in the process and cooperate with the local population.

Traditionally with the ''ArmA'' series, the player will also be able to play with three more characters: Lieutenant Jeff Larkin, a helicopter pilot; Sergeant Rick Hutchinson, a (possibly) tank commander; and Corporal Ben Kerry, a light infantry soldier - all are serving in different units of the United States Army 7th Infantry Division (7th US Army Europe).

'''The following weapons are currently seen in early release footage and the playable alpha of the upcoming video game ''ArmA III'':'''
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= Handguns =
== Walther P99 ==

The [[Walther P99]] serves as the standard sidearm of NATO forces. It's in game designation is '''P07''', and it's chambered for 9x21mm, the same as the OPFOR pistol.

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm. 'Bump' on the trigger guard, small serrations on the slide, slightly angled trigger guard, all indicative of the earlier, pre-2004 models making it unlikely that such models would be in the hands of 2030-plus-something front line troops.]]

[[image:Arma3_P99_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of P07. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_p99_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kerry wields his P07 during a lovely sunset. Image taken from Alpha]]

== MP-443 Grach ==

The [[MP-443 Grach]] appears as the OPFOR pistol under the fictional classification of '''Rook 40'''. Like the P99, it is chambered in 9x21mm, and their magazines are interchangable.

[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|none|thumb|400px|MP-443 "Grach" - 9x19mm]]

[[image:Arma3_Rook40_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the "Rook 40" Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_Rook40_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the Rook 40. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== "ACP-C2" ==
The '''ACP C2''' is the sidearm of the GREENFOR forces. It is a 1911 variant, based on a combination of a variety of models, namely the Kimber Custom Covert II, with the [[Kimber Desert Warrior]] and the [[Colt Rail Gun]]. It is chambered in .45 ACP and has a magazine capacity of nine.

[[image:Arma3_1911_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the '''ACP-C2'''. The ejection port is quite high, higher than most 1911 models. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_1911_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view. In FPS view, it is always seen with the hammer down, for some reason. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_1911_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GREENFOR sniper models his pistol. Image taken from Beta.]]

= Submachine guns =
== CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1 ==
The [[Skorpion#CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1|CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1]] is the OPFOR SMG of choice. It's known in game as the '''Scorpion EVO-4 9mm''', but appears to be just the EVO 3. It uses 9x21mm ammo.

[[Image:CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:ArmA3 Scorpion.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A combat diver with a suppressed SCORPION EVO 3 A1 on his back.]]

[[image:Arma3_scorpion_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Scorpion. Bullets deplete from the translucent magazine in real time. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_scorpion_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view as an OPFOR soldier checks on the porta potty with a Scorpion in hand. Image taken from Beta.]]

== TDI Vector ==
The [[TDI Vector]] is the BLUFOR SMG of choice. It is known as the '''Varmit SBR''', and fires .45 ACP, with a magazine capacity of 30.

[[Image:KrissSuperV.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TDI Vector SMG - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:Arma3-TDI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier holding a TDI Vector fitted with red dot sight and a suppressor.]]

[[image:Arma3_vector_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Vector. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_vector_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the Vector. Image taken from Beta.]]

= Shotguns =
== Benelli M4 Super 90 ==
The [[Benelli_M4#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] appears as the "M4 SASS".

[[File:M4Super90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 6-shot tube - 12 Gauge]]

[[File:Arma3 -BenelliM4.JPG|thumb|none|600px]]

[[File:Arma3-BenelliM4irons.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Down the sights of the M4 SASS.]]

== Kel-Tec KSG ==
The [[Kel-Tec KSG]] is a confirmed weapon to be featured in the game, and can be fitted with various accessories.

[[Image:Kel-Tec_KSG_Shotgun_Oleg_Volk_1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kel-Tec KSG with Magpul RVG foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Arma3_ksg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NATO soldier aiming a Kel-Tec KSG, fitted with front and rear BUISs, C-More red dot sight, and a RIS foregrip.]]

= Assault Rifles =
== FN F2000 Tactical ==
A fictional variant of the [[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]] is used by GREENFOR soldiers and appears as the '''Mk 20'''. It features the Monolith Arms rail system, and can be customized with a variety of attachments. A grenade launcher is available for the weapon and called the "Mk 20GL". It is based on the [[FN GL-1]].

[[File:FS2000 monolith arms handguard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FS2000 with a C-more red dot sight and Monolith Arms rail system - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]

[[Image:Scr08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier running with a F2000 Tactical, fitted with red dot sight and vertical foregrip.]]

[[File:Arma3-e3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires a F2000 Tactical, fitted with red dot sight, laser sight, and the presumably FN GL-1. Note that the barrel is shorter than the one seen above.]]

[[image:Arma3_f2000_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World models of the variety of F2000 models. .Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_f2000_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the rifle variant. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_f2000_3_Retry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the carbine variant. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[image:Arma3_f2000_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the launcher variant. Image taken from Beta.]]

== DIO KH2002 Sama ==
Iranian soldiers are seen with a fictional variant of the [[DIO KH2002|DIO KH2002 Sama]], known in game as the '''Katiba 6.5mm'''. It fires caseless 6.5mm rounds. The front sight has been removed and the carrying handle has been lowered and modified with a rail system. Like the other assault rifles, the KH2002 can be customized with various attachments.

[[Image:Kh2002 2009 improved.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Iranian Defense Industries Organization (DIO) KH2002, improved 2009 model - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:A3kio.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[image:Arma3_Katiba_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Katiba 6.5mm. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_Katiba_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Katiba Carbine 6.5mm model. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_Katiba_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Katiba GL 6.5mm, with undermounted EGLM. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== IMI Tavor TAR-21 ==
In pre-Alpha footage, Iranian soldiers we're seen using a variety of [[Tavor TAR-21]]s as their standard issue weapon; there is a rumor that presumably obtaining it from the Israelis after conquering Israel. With the release of the Alpha, the standard issue weapon of the Iranian soldiers was changed to the Iranian-made [[DIO KH2002|DIO KH2002 Sama]], with the model of the TAR-21 changed to the '''Airsoft''' Ares Tavor TAR-21 model (distinguished by the small top rail and sand color scheme), also using the in-game designation "TRG-21".
[[Image:Tavor-tar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|IMI Tavor TAR-21 with Kimber Mepro 21 red dot sight - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:Tar1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Ares Tavor TAR-21]]
[[File:Arma3-tavor-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pre-Alpha promotional image, showing the various attachments available for the TAR-21 (as well as for other weapons featured in the game); among the attachments are two types of ELCAN scopes, C-More red dot sight, AN/PEQ-15 ATPIAL-based IR designator, and a [[Noveske Rifleworks rifle series|Noveske Rifleworks]]-style flash suppressor.]]
[[File:Arma3-tavor-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pre-Alpha image of Iranian soldiers aiming TAR-21s. Note the mounted C-More red dot sights.]]
[[File:Arma_3_steam_aug16_2_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another pre-Alpha image of Iranian soldiers with TAR-21s.]]

== Kel-Tec RFB Carbine ==
The [[Kel-Tec RFB Carbine]], appears as the '''SDAR 5.56mm''', is used by NATO and Iranian combat divers in-game and appears to be modified into a fictional underwater weapon, but remains visually identical.

[[Image:RFB-18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kel-Tec RFB Carbine - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:Armarfb.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

[[Image:Armarfb2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== "MX 6.5mm" ==
U.S. Army soldiers use a fictional assault rifle (designed by real-life CMMG, Inc.), that has design elements borrowed from the [[Remington ACR]] and [[Robinson Armament XCR]]. Compact and light machine gun variants are also available. By default, it fires caseless 6.5mm ammunition, although it could possibly fire traditional cased ammunition, due to the presence of an ejection port on the right-hand side of the weapon.

[[Image:Robarm XCR R.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Robinson Armament XCR-L Standard - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bushmaster ACR with folding stock, tri-rail handguard, and Magpul MBUS sights - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[Image:Armxcr.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A MX Rifle with a Leupold HAMR sight.]]

[[image:Arma3_MX_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Standard rifleman variant of the MX 6.5. Unfortunately, that AFG is not removeable, and neither are any grip or underbarrel launcher attachments. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_MX_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carbine variant of the MX 6.5. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_MX_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Squad Weapon variant of the MX 6.5. It utilizes 100 round casket magazines for standard issue, but is also able to use other 30 round variants. The casket magazines are exclusive to the MX SW, though. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_3GL_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MX 6.5 with underbarrel 3GL. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_MX_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marksman variant of the MX 6.5. Image taken from Alpha.]]

= Sniper Rifles =
== Gepard GM6 Lynx ==
The [[Gepard anti-materiel rifle series|GM6 Lynx anti-material rifle]] is shown during the Arma 3 GamesCom presentation.
[[Image:GepardM6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gepard GM6 Lynx]]
[[File:GM6.JPG|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Arma3-GM6side.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Side-view of the GM6 Lynx being used by the player.]]
[[file:Arma3 Lynx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the GM6 Lynx. Bohemia Interactive licensed the Lynx direct from [http://www.sero.hu/lynx/ SERO], so for a very rare rifle, the model is of remarkable quality. Image taken from Alpha.]]
[[file:Arma3 Lynx-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the Lynx. In it's alpha state, BLUFOR and OPFOR share the same rifle optics. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle ==
The [[M14#Mk. 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR]] is seen used by NATO soldiers.

[[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR - 7.62x51 NATO, with a Harris bipod and vertical RIS foregrip.]]

[[Image:Scr01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier in the far left and the soldier in the right are holding the Mk. 14.]]

[[File:Arma3-M14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The far left soldier is armed with a scoped Mk. 14.]]

[[File:Arma3_mk14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A first-person view of the Mk. 14 used by the player and fitted with RIS foregrip and night vision optical sight.]]

== CheyTac M200 ==
The [[CheyTac M200]] is the anti-materiel rifle of the BLUFOR faction, and is labelled as the M320 LRR .408 ingame. It is chambered in .408 CheyTac, and shares a rifle optic with the GM6 Lynx.

[[Image:M200.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CheyTac M-200 - .408 CheyTac]]

[[File:Arma3 m320.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the M320 LRR. The bipod is folded up. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[File:Arma3 M320-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the M320 LRR. It's effective range is slightly beyond 2km, but using iron sights such a shot would be near-impossible. Image taken from Alpha.]]

= Machine Guns =
== Knight's Armament Company Light Machine Gun ==
The [[Knight's Armament LMG|KAC LMG]], appearing as the '''Mk200 6.5mm''', is one of the machine guns available to OPFOR in-game. It features a Magpul UBR stock and can be fitted with various accessories. It fires 6.5mm caseless ammunition.

[[File:KAC LMG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Knight's Armament Company LMG - 5.56x45mm NATO]]

[[File:Armamk200.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-game KAC LMG with flip-up BUISs and RIS foregrip. Note the caseless ammunition belt.]]

[[File:Arma3_mk200.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-game KAC LMG with flip-up BUISs, C-More red dot sight, and a RIS foregrip.]]

[[File:Arma3-e3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Iranian soldier wields a KAC LMG with ELCAN scope and a RIS foregrip.]]

[[image:Arma3_MK200_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Mk 200 6.5mm. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== IMI Negev ==

The [[IMI Negev]] is the OPFOR medium machine gun, chambered in 7.62mm, and appears as the '''Zafir 7.62mm'''. It is fitted with a variety of modern furniture, including a FAB Defense stock.

[[Image:NegevLMG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|IMI Negev with 200-round cloth ammo bag - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Arma3_negev_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the Zafir. Image taken from Beta.]]

[[Image:Arma3_negev_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the Zafir. The front iron sight does not fold down, as it does with many other weapons in ArmA 3. This makes mounting sights, while possible, a bit irritating.]]

= Launchers =
== Heckler & Koch XM25 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch XM25|H&K XM25]] is a confirmed weapon to be featured in the game.

[[File:ATKXM25.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM25 - 25x40mm.]]

[[File:Arma3_xm25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NATO soldier circled in red is holding a H&K XM25.]]

== Metal Storm 3GL ==
The Metal Storm 3GL is the standard underbarrel launcher of NATO forces.

[[File:3gl on m16.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

[[File:Arma3gl.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 3GL seen mounted on a MX 6.5 on an armoury table.]]

[[image:Arma3_3GL_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 3GL mounted underneath a MX 6.5mm barrel. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== EGLM ==
[[FN EGLM]] launchers are seen mounted on certain [[Tavor TAR-21]] rifles in-game.

[[Image:FNGL1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN GL-1 - 40mm which closely resembles the fictionalized version presented in the game]]

[[image:Arma3_EGLM_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The TAR-21 with an underbarrel EGLM. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[Image:TAR-21_GL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An early image showing the EGLM mounted on a TAR-21.]]

== NLAW ==
The [[NLAW]] (British designation for the MBT LAW) is the standard launcher of NATO troops. Currently, in the Alpha build, anti-tank launchers can also be used as guided missile launchers. This will be remedied before finalization.
[[Image:NLAW.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SAAB Bofors Dynamics MBT LAW rocket launcher - 150mm]]
[[Image:Arma3_NLAW_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the NLAW. Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_NLAW_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the NLAW. This AT rifleman has a serious ''ophidiophobia'' (fear of snakes), it seems. Image taken from Alpha.]]

== RPG-32 ==
The [[RPG-32]] appears as the '''RPG-42''' and is the standard OPFOR launcher.
[[Image:RPG-32 Hashim.jpg|thumb|400px|none|RPG-32 Hashim - 105mm]]
[[image:Arma3_RPG42_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the RPG-32. Image taken from Alpha.]]
[[image:Arma3_RPG42_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of an RPG-32 as OPFOR enjoy a lovely seafront. Image taken from Alpha.]]

= Mounted Weapons =
== Browning M2 Heavy Barrel ==
The [[Browning M2 Heavy Barrel|Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted on the Unmanned Ground Vehicle (UGV) used by the NATO faction in-game, alongside a possibly unknown model of a grenade launcher. The M2HB is also mounted on the "Panther" Armored Personnel Carrier (derived from the Namer APC), as well as the armed variant of the "Hunter" light armored vehicle (derived from the Oshkosh M-ATV), both used by the Iranian Armed Forces faction.

[[File:BrowningM2_plain.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG]]

[[File:Arma3_ugv_m2hb.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-game Browning M2HB (circled in red) mounted on a NATO UGV.]]

[[File:Arma3_namer_apc_m2hb.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-game Browning M2HB mounted on an Iranian "Panther" APC.]]

== Dillon Aero M134 Minigun ==
A possibly [[Dillon Aero M134 Minigun|DE M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on the "AH-9" attack helicopter (derived from the AH-6 Little Bird) used by the NATO faction in-game.

[[File:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Dillon Aero M134 with flash suppressor - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[File:Arma3 m134.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M134 Minigun mounted onto the internal hardpoint of an AH-9 gunship.]]

==Heckler & Koch GMG==
Strider ARCs that come mounted with turrets use the H&K GMG.
[[File:HKGMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[File:A3gmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== General Dynamics GAU-19/A ==
The [[General Dynamics GAU-19/A|GD GAU-19/A]] is seen mounted on the "Mi-48 Kajman" attack helicopter (derived from the Mi-28 "Havoc") used by the Iranian Armed Forces faction in-game. It is unclear why the GAU-19/A is featured as the main armament of the Mi-48 instead of the [[Shipunov 2A42]], although this reason could be for ''ArmA III'''s futuristic background.

[[File:Gau_19-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-19/A with muzzle brake and mount - .50 BMG]]

== General Dynamics GAU-22/A ==
The [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U#GAU-22/A|GD GAU-22/A]] is most likely the main armament of the F-35B Lightning II used by the NATO faction in-game.

[[File:F-35_GAU-22A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-22/A - 25x137mm]]

[[File:Arma3_facebook_4_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pair of F-35Bs in flight. The GAU-22/A could be mounted on them.]]

== General Dynamics XM301 ==
The [[General Dynamics XM301|GD XM301]] is seen mounted on RAH-66 Comanche attack helicopter used by the NATO faction in-game.

[[File:XM301b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|General Dynamics XM301 - 20x102mm]]

== XM312 ==
The [[XM307 & XM312#XM312|XM312]], appears as the "M312" in-game, is seen mounted on a patrol boat used by the NATO faction.

[[File:XM312hmg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|XM312 - .50 BMG]]

= See Also =
*''[[ArmA]]'' series
**''[[Operation Flashpoint]]'' (also known as ArmA: Cold War Assault)
**''[[ArmA: Armed Assault]]'' (also known as ArmA: Combat Operations)
**''[[ArmA II]]''

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The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-20T12:26:28Z

Bahlemar: /* Steyr SSG 69 */

{{Ongoing}}
{{Infobox TV|The Walking Dead - Season 3
|picture = WalkingDeadS3.jpg
|country = [[File:USA.jpg|25px]] USA
|channel = AMC
|genre = Horror
|dates = 2012 - 2013
|episodes = 16
|character1= Rick Grimes
|actor1=[[Andrew Lincoln]]
|character2= Glenn Rhee
|actor2=[[Steven Yeun]]
|character3= Hershel Greene
|actor3=[[Scott Wilson]]
|character4= Andrea
|actor4=[[Laurie Holden]]
|character5= Maggie Greene
|actor5=[[Lauren Cohan]]
|character6=Daryl Dixon
|actor6=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character7=The Governor
|actor7=[[David Morrissey]]
|character8=Michonne
|actor8=[[Danai Gurira]]
|character9=Merle Dixon
|actor9=[[Michael Rooker]]
|character10= T-Dog
|actor10=[[IronE Singleton]]
|character11= Lori Grimes
|actor11=[[Sarah Wayne Callies]]
}}

'''See the [[Talk: Walking Dead, The - Season 3|Discussion]] for the weapons used in the webisodes that coincided with Season 3.'''

'''The following weapons appear in Season 3 of the television series ''[[Walking Dead, The (TV Series)|The Walking Dead]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Revolvers=
==Colt Python==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) continues to carry his six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver in Season 3. He is first seen using it in "Sick" (S3E02), and "Killer Within" (S3E04). Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) also is seen using Rick's Python in "Killer Within" (S304). Rick pulls the Python at the beginning of "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07) to kill a few walkers. Rick briefly uses it during "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) and then in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Python with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[File:TWDS3E02_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) pulls his Colt Python to threaten Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) in "Sick" (S3E02).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Python is seen in the holster of Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E04 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) also is seen using Rick's Python in "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E12 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick reloads his Python in "Clear" (S3E12).]]

==Colt Detective Special==
Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) continues to use the [[Colt Detective Special]] in Season 3. She uses the revolver in "Seed" (S3E01) and "Killer Within" (S3E04). Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) is seen keeping the Colt DS in her back pocket and fires this revolver in the air to stop a fight in "Arrow in the Doorpost" (S3E12).
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Walking_Dead_Season_3_Lori_304.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Lori with the Colt from "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) is seen using the Colt DS in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E04_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lori Grimes ([[Sarah Wayne Callies]]) with the Colt from "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) fires this revolver in the air to stop a fight in "Arrow in the Doorpost" (S3E12).]]

== Colt Police Positive==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen carrying what appears to be the [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Police Positive - .38 Special.]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen carrying what appears to be the [[Colt Police Positive]] revolver in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 442 ==
In "Sick" (S3E02), Tomas ([[Nick Gomez]]) brandishes a hammerless [[Smith & Wesson Model 442]] revolver during a confrontation with Grimes and the rest of the group, which he claims that a prison guard gave to him before the prison was overrun by walkers in that episode. Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen using the revolver in "Killer Within" (S3E04).
[[Image:S&WModel442Airweight.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 442 Airweight- .38 Special]]
[[File:TWDS3E02 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Sick" (S3E02), Tomas ([[Nick Gomez]]) brandishes a hammerless [[Smith & Wesson Model 442]] revolver during a confrontation with Grimes and the rest of the group.]]
[[File:TWDS3E04_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carol ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen using the revolver in "Killer Within" (S3E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Hershel is seen with what appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolver taped to his thigh in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel is seen with this revolver taped to his thigh in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

==Webley "WG" Army Model==
A [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver appears to be the handgun used by the Mexican survivor in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:wgl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley "WG" Army Model .455 Webley]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver appears to be the handgun used by the Mexican survivor in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_07.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Webley after being dropped in "Home" (S3E10).]]

=Pistols=
==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms used by Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) in Season 3. He is seen using it with an improvised suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is seen with the pistol in later episodes.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Glock fitted with a suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_81.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick uses the Glock fitted with a suppressor in the prison yard in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:Walkingdead4.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Rick with suppressed Glock. It appears that the suppressor has been improvised from MAGlite flashlight.]]

==Glock 19==
A [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] appears to be carried by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19]]
[[File:TWDS3E05_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is seen with the pistol in in "Say the Word" (S3E05)]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glenn draws the Glock on Merle in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is carried by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is fired by Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92FS]] is the weapon seen used by Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) in Season 3. He is seen using it with an improvised suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). In the same episode, the group find several in the armory and T-Dog is briefly seen handling one. Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) is seen taking out Andrea's Beretta and giving it to her after seeing the helicopter crash in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). Andrea is later seen using it again in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_06.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) is seen using the Beretta with a suppressor in "Seed" (S3E01). His suppressor appears to have been fashioned from an aluminum baseball bat.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several Berettas are found in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E03_71.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) is seen taking out Andrea's Beretta and giving it to her after seeing the helicopter crash in "Walk With Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) is seen carrying the Beretta in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Carl's suppressed Beretta in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]
[[File:TWDS3E12 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl holds the Beretta in "Clear" (S3E12).]]

== Beretta 92SB Nickel ==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) appears to carry what appears to be a [[Beretta 92SB]] with a nickel finish in Season 3. In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), he is seen keeping it in a crossdraw holster and first seen using it when confronting a group of National Guard survivors. He also is notably seen using the pistol in "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07), "Made To Suffer" (S3E08) and "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92SB Nickel Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) pulls his Beretta 92SB.]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E02), The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) pulls his Beretta 92SB when confronting a group of National Guard survivors.]]
[[File:TWDS3E07_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) uses his Beretta to threaten Maggie in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_35.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) holds up his Beretta in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) with his Beretta in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). The Beretta appears to have a rounded trigger guard, thus confirming it is an SB and not an FS.]]

==Browning BDA==
Carl Grimes ([[Chandler Riggs]]) is seen using the [[Browning BDA]] near the end of "Killer Within" (S3E04). He kills a few walkers with it at the beginning of "When the Dead Come Knockin" (S3E07) and then is seen with it in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:Browning-BDA-9mm.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Browning BDA - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E04 05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the BDA in "Killer Within" (S3E04). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_19.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carl seen with the Browning in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Colt MK IV Series70==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen armed with an [[Colt MK IV Series 70]] as his sidearm, notably in "Walk with Me" (S3E03) and "Hounded" (S3E06). He carries the Colt in a quick-draw a holster on his hip.
[[Image:Colt-MKIV-Series70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Bayonet arm.JPG|thumb|none|601px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen armed with an [[M1911A1]] and his new bayonet prosthetic in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 06.jpg|thumb|none|601px||Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the stainless [[M1911A1]] in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen using the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "Seed" (S3E01), "Say the Word" (S3E05), and "Hounded" (S3E06).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_77.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen using the SIG in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie Greene ([[Lauren Cohan]]) is seen pulling the SIG in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"==
T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) continues to carry the [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] that was used by Andrea in the previous seasons. In "Home" (S3E10), Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) is seen with the pistol and asks Carol how to use it.
[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith" - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_72.jpg|thumb|none|600px|T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is seen with Andrea's [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E02_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) pulls the [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] during a confrontation with inmates in "Sick" (S3E02).]]
[[Image:Iron-e-singleton-t-dog-walking-dead-sick-season-3-amc.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of T-dog with the gun in Prison Riot Gear.]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Axel ([[Lew Temple]]) holds the pistol in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_16.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carol shows Axel how to operate in the pistol in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==Vektor CP1==
A [[Vektor CP1]] is used by Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) in "Seed" (S3E01).
[[File:VectorCP1PistolOtherSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vektor CP1 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beth Greene ([[Emily Kinney]]) is seen using the Vektor in "Seed" (S3E01).]]

==Walther P38==
Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]), one of the Governor's men, is seen carrying a [[Walther P38]] as his sidearm, notably in "Walk with Me" and "Hounded" (S3E06).
[[Image:WaltherP1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P1 - 9x19mm. All post-war P38's can be recognized by a better finish, the Walther logo in the flag (the only pre-war with this logo is the commercial HP) and the different grips.]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 02.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]), a Woodbury guard, is seen using a Walther P38 with a makeshift suppressor in "Walk with Me" (S3E03).]]
[[File:TWSS3E06 72.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tim ([[Lawrence Kao]]) holds the Walther when he's ambushed by Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) in "Hounded" (S3E06).]]

==Walther P99==
In "Hounded" (S3E06), a [[Walther P99]] is seen carried by Gargulio. Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) is later seen with the handgun in the episode. Maggie is seen firing a Walther P99 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_05.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Walther is seen on the ground in "Hounded" (S3E06). This appears to be an airsoft replica.]]
[[File:TWDS3E06_03.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Hounded" (S3E06), Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) is later seen with the handgun.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_39.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), Maggie is seen with a Walther P99.]]

=Rifles=
==Accuracy International Arctic Warfare (Airsoft Replica)==
What appears to be an [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] rifle is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). The rifle is actually an airsoft replica based on the bright silver ejection port, bull barrel with no muzzle brake and lack of a finger cut-out in the magazine well.
[[File:Accuracy International airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare, airsoft replica]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What appears to be an [[Accuracy International L96A1]] rifle is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
In "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), Carl is seen taking up the [[Remington 700 BDL]] last seen in Season 2. In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick is seen holding the Remington he gave to Morgan ([[Lennie James]]) in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]'s "Days Gone Bye" (S1E01).
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E11 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), Carl is seen taking up the [[Remington 700 BDL]] last seen in Season 2.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick is seen holding the Remington he gave to Morgan ([[Lennie James]]) in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]'s "Days Gone Bye" (S1E01).]]

==Remington 700 VLS==
The [[Remington 700 VLS]] rifle with a scope continues to be one of the weapons carried by Grimes. This appears to be the rifle that was carried by Dale in the previous seasons. Carol also is seen with the rifle in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[Image:Rem700VLS.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington Model 700 Varmint with Laminated Stock and scope - .308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) has the rifle slung over his shoulder in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_80.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick fires the rifle from a guard tower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]

== Sporterized Springfield M1903 ==
A [[M1903 Springfield#Sporterized M1903 Springfield|Sporterized Springfield 1903]] appears to be the rifle held by Maggie in "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11).
[[File:Sporter Model1903 Springfield.jpg|thumb|450px|none| Sporterized M1903 Springfield]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A [[M1903 Springfield#Sporterized M1903 Springfield|Sporterized Springfield 1903]] appears to be the rifle held by Maggie in "I Ain't a Judas" (S3E11).]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Production image of Maggie with the rifle.]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Maggie (center) holds the rifle in this production image.]]

==Steyr SSG 69==
Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) is seen firing a [[Steyr SSG]] fitted with an improvised suppressor in "Prey" (S3E14). He is shown not to be very accurate with the rifle.
[[File:SteyrSSG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) holds the rifle in "Prey" (S3E14).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyreese ([[Chad Coleman]]) takes aim with the suppressed rifle in "Prey" (S3E14).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rifle's bolt action can be seen in "Prey" (S3E14).]]

==Winchester Model 70==
In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), Shupert ([[Travis Love]]), one of the Woodbury guards, is armed with a [[Winchester Model 70]] bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) is armed with a [[Winchester Model 70]] bolt-action rifle.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==M4A1==
[[M4A1]] rifles, being rare in previous seasons, are now more common and being seen used by several of the survivors in Season 3. Since Rick's group didn't have these rifles at the end of Season 2, it is likely they acquired them in the interim between Season 2's end and the beginning of Season 3, a gap of several months. Hershel ([[Scott Wilson]]) can be seen using one in "Seed" (S3E01). An M4A1 is also found among the weapons in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01) and is briefly handled by T-Dog. In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), M4A1's are carried by the Woodbury guards as well as Georgia Army National Guard soldiers, Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) also fires one fitted with a makeshift suppressor. Other M4A1s seen in the series so far include at least one with an M203 grenade launcher attached, one fitted with a makeshift suppressor in use by the Woodbury guards, and flattop M4s used by the National Guard survivors. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen using the M4A1 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) and both him and Maggie are seen firing it in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). Michonne ([[Danai Gurira]]) uses the rifle in "Home" (S3E10). Hershel is seen wielding an M4 in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E01_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hershel Green ([[Scott Wilson]]) fires the M4A1 in "Seed" (S3E01). Note the Aimpoint on his rifle is mounted backwards.]]
[[File:TWDS3E01 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At the bottom, an M4A1 is found in the prison in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) is seen using an M4A1 fitted with a makeshift suppressor.]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is armed with an M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick is armed with the M4A1 in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maggie fires the M4A1 in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]

==Colt Law Enforcement Carbine==
A [[Colt Law Enforcement Carbine]], taken from a Georgia Army National Guard soldier, is used by The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) in "Walk with Me" (S3E03). The carbine has had the carry handle removed, and it lacked a rear sight. Despite this, The Governor was able to hit a fleeing soldier in the back from long range.
[[File:ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) takes aim with a Law Enforcement Carbine taken off a dead Guardsmen.]]

==Mk. 18 Mod 0==
One of the Woodbury guards guarding the wall is armed with what appears to be a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]]. The rifle is notably seen held by a Woodbury guard in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). Merle appears to hold a similar rifle in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).
[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Woodbury guards guarding the wall is armed with what appears to be a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]]. The rifle is notably seen in "The Suicide King" (S3E09). The sight appears to be mounted backwards. ]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merle appears to hold a similar rifle in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

==AKM==
Several Woodbury Guards can be seen using [[AKM]]s in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Woodbury guard can be seen using an [[AKM]] at the end of "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

==AKMS==
Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) is seen firing an [[AKMS]]-type rifle from a prison watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01). The rifle appears to be fitted with rails at the top as well as a tactical handguard. Like the M4 above, this rifle was not among their weapons in the previous season, thus was most likely found in between Seasons 2 and 3, as the group was on the move for several months scavenging. In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Oscar loads the AKMS along with several other weapons into a car trunk and later Daryl ([[Norman Reedus]]) can be seen carrying it. Daryl is seen using the AKMS in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) is seen carrying this weapon while guarding the Woodbury wall with Tyreese.
[[File:AK47RIS.jpg|thumb|550px|none|AK47 with underfolding stock and RIS. The weapon pictured here is from the inventory of The Specialists, Ltd.]]
[[Image:TWDS3E01 82.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
[[File:TWDS3E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, the [[AKMS]] is seen here carried by Daryl in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 30.jpg||thumb|none|600px|Daryl ([[Norman Reedus]]) is seen using the AKMS in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 08.jpg||thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) is seen on the right carrying this weapon while guarding the Woodbury wall with Tyreese.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 11.jpg||thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), Sasha ([[Sonequa Martin-Green]]) holds the rifle.]]

==Type 56==
Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) uses a [[Type 56]] during the raid on Woodbury in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). He is later seen using the rifle in "The Suicide King" (S3E09) and "Home" (S3E10). Several other Woodbury guards in the same episode also use them.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Norinco Type 56 ]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) with the rifle in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) fires the Type 56 rifle in "Home" (S3E10). Note the full-circle "hooded" front sight.]]

==FN FAL==
An [[FN FAL]] fitted with an ELCAN sight appears to be fired by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Home" (S3E10).
[[File:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|550px|]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[FN FAL]] fitted with an ELCAN sight appears to be fired by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez fires the FN FAL in "Home" (S3E10).]]

==SKS==
At the end of "Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), a Woodbury Guard can be seen holding a [[SKS]] fitted with a scope and an ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock.
[[File:SKS ATI Fiberforce Dragunov stock.jpg|none|550px|thumb|SKS with flash hider and ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock - 7.62x39mm. ]]
[[File:TWDS3E11 21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At the end of "Ain't a Judas" (S3E11), a Woodbury Guard can be seen holding a [[SKS]] fitted with a scope and an ATI Fiberforce "Dragunov" stock.]]

==Steyr AUG A1==
The Governor opens fire with a [[Steyr AUG]] A1 in "Home" (S3E01). Despite his right eye being useless, he still fires right-handed instead of left. The weapon is likely meant to be a full-auto conversion of an AUG SA, a semi-automatic variant of the A1 which was imported to the US for civilian use before being banned in 1989. Fully-automatic AUGs are extremely in the United States, as they are not military issue and are not used by any law enforcement entities apart from US Customs and Immigration Enforcement. The civilian variant of the AUG is the AUG A3 SA which has a newer design than the A1.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG - Austrian Army Version - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Governor opens fire with a [[Steyr AUG]] in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWDS3E10 31.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the AUG in "Home" (S3E10). As is typical of action movies, the Governor fires far more rounds than the AUG could realistically hold, and is not shown reloading.]]

==M14==
Allen ([[Daniel Thomas May]]) can be seen carrying what appears to be an [[M14]] in "Prey" (S3E14). A Woodbury Militia member can be seen carrying the same rifle at the episode's beginning.
[[Image:SFA M1A.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A Civilian Variant of the M14 -.308 Winchester]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Woodbury Militia member can be seen carrying an M14 at the beginning of "Prey" (S3E14).]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] is the main firearm carried by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]).
[[File:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch MP5K can be seen on the left carried by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) in "Walk With Me" (S3E03).]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] can be seen carried by Woodbury guards.
[[File:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW is carried by a survivor guarding Woodbury.]]

==IMI Uzi==
An [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of both Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) and Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of Maggie ([[Lauren Cohan]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 73.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] is seen in the hands of Merle ([[Michael Rooker]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury survivor named Haley (Alexa Nikolas) carries a suppressed [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] when Rick and his group come to save Maggie and Glenn. After the guard dies, Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) picks up the weapon in the same episode.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|Micro Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E08 51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), Haley (Alexa Nikolas) is seen with a suppressed [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]].]]

==Beretta CX4 Storm==
In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury guard can be seen using a [[Beretta CX4 Storm]]. The rifle is also seen in "Home" (S3E10).
[[Image:CX4_Storm_.45ACP_20rd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta CX4 Storm]]]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Made to Suffer" (S3E8), a Woodbury guard can be seen using a [[ Beretta CX4 Storm]].]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, a [[ Beretta CX4 Storm]] is carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home" (S3E10). ]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 590 (KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock)==
The [[Mossberg 590]] fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock with pistol grip that used to be carried by Shane in Season 2 appears again in Season 3 as Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying it in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07). In the same episode, Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) is shown loading it along with several other weapons into a car. He later uses it in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).
[[Image:Moss590Knoxx.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield and KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock.]]
[[File:TWDS3E07 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Mossberg 590]] carried by Shane in previous seasons is seen here slung behind Rick's back in "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07).]]
[[File:TWDS3E08 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oscar ([[Vincent Ward]]) holds the Mossberg in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08).]]

== Remington 870 Police Magnum ==
A [[Remington 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Police Magnum]] is seen used by Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). In the same episode, Rick sees a vision of Shane ([[Jon Bernthal]]) with a Remington. A Remington with black furniture is seen in the hands of Beth Greene in "Home" (S3E10) and at the end of "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Police Magnum]] is seen used by Shupert ([[Travis Love]]) in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E08_34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick sees a vision of Shane ([[Jon Bernthal]]) with a Remington in "Made to Suffer" (S3E08). ]]
[[File:TWDS3E09 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Woodbury guards is seen with the Remington 870 in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]
[[FIle:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDS3E10_37.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Remington with black furniture is seen in the hands of Beth Greene in "Home" (S3E10).]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A production image from "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11) shows Beth Greene (middle) holding the Remington 870 with black furniture.]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, Beth holds the shotgun in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).
[[File:REM870exp combo.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Combo - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:TWDS3E09_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]

== 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun ==
In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Rick and the rest of the survivors confront a crazed hermit wielding a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]. For some reason, the sound effect of a pump action shotgun is heard when he aims it at Rick, despite this firearm not having such an action.
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|none|560px|1960s-era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[File:TWDS3E07_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "When the Dead Come Knocking" (S3E07), Rick and the rest of the survivors confront a crazed hermit wielding a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]].]]

=Machine Guns=
==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] machine gun can be seen mounted on a Humvee that the Governor brings back to Woodbury in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). It appears to be a mockup identical to the one was fitted on the fake M1 Abrams tank in [[The Walking Dead - Season 1|Season 1]]. It is later seen again in "Prey" (S3E14) being removed from storage and mounted on the Humvee to be used as a mock technical by the Woodbury Army.
[[File:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG]]
[[File:TWDS3E03 27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M2 is seen on the left next to the Governor in "Walk With Me" (S3E03). This machine gun appears to be a mockup, judging from the crude mount and no ammo feed present.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), the Browning M2 is seen being removed from storage and mounted on the Humvee to be used as a mock technical by the Woodbury Army. This appears to be an authentic M2 and not a mockup seen in earlier episodes.]]
[[File:TWDS3E14 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Prey" (S3E14), the Browning M2 is mounted on the Humvee. ]]

==Browning M1919==
A [[Browning M1919]] machine gun can be seen mounted on the wall at Woodbury in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11). This machine gun is seen manned by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) when a car pulls up to the wall later in the episode.
[[File:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919A4 on an M2 tripod - .30-06 Springfield]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Browning M1919]] machine gun can be seen mounted on the wall at Woodbury in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]
[[File:TWDS3E11_22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning is manned by Caesar Martinez ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) when a car pulls up to the wall in "I Ain't A Judas" (S3E11).]]

=Other Weapons=
==Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow==
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) as his weapon of choice. Shupert is seen holding it in the mid season finale "Made to Suffer" (S3E08) after Daryl is captured in Woodbury.
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]
[[Image:Norman-reedus-daryl-walking-dead-sick-season-3-amc.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Production image of Daryl with his crossbow inside the Prison]]
[[File:TWDS3E05 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with the crossbow at the ready in "Say the Word" (S3E05).]]

==Stryker Strykezone 380 Crossbow==
Daryl switches his Horton Scout HD 125 for the Strykezone 380, which was picked up by Michonne in "Clear" (S3E12) from Morgan's weapons stockpile. He is seen using it in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).
[[Image:S7 419701 999 04.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Stryker Strykezone 380]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weapons as seen in "Clear" (S3E12). The Strykezone Crossbow is seen in the upper left.]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daryl with his new crossbow in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

==M203==
In "Walk With Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is armed with an M4A1 affixed with a [[M203]] grenade launcher when he is shot by ambushers from Woodbury.
[[File:CM4-M203.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M4A1 - 5.56mm fitted with an M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:TWDS3E03_18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), a Georgia Army National Guard soldier is shot by ambushers from Woodbury; M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher in hand.]]

=Weapons Cache and Arsenals=
==Rick's Bag of Guns==
Rick's bag of guns is seen once again in "The Suicide King" (S3E09) as the Governor inspects the guns still left in it.
[[File:TWDS3E09_19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun makes a return appearance in Season 3 as the Governor is seen taking it out of the bag of guns in "The Suicide King" (S3E09).]]

==Morgan's Arsenal==
In "Clear" (S3E12), Rick, Carl, and Michonne discover the massive amount of arms gathered by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in his hideout.
[[File:TWDS3E12_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weapons as seen in "Clear" (S3E12). A box of MK II hand grenades are seen at the bottom. Note the[[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] also in the box.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the green crate is an M16A2, and two MP5K's. Several AK-pattern rifles are seen in the back, along with what appears to a Strykezone 380 crossbow on the left.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A crate of M4-type rifles. The M4-style rifle with camo wrapped around the fore arm and stock appears to be the same rifle carried by a Woodbury guard on the wall in "Home".]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the left, a Remington 700, and an SKS is seen among the rifles.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wide shot as the rifles are seen.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The crate of M4-type rifles are seen on the right.]]
[[File:TWDS3E12_16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Some handguns are seen in the bottom left.]]

==Prison Weapons Cache==
In "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13), the weapons taken from Morgan's arsenal are laid out on a table.
[[File:TWDS3E13_08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several M4's and shotguns are seen on the table in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]
[[File:TWDS3E13_09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|More shotguns on the right in "Arrow on the Doorpost" (S3E13).]]

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==Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"==
'''The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":'''

===M16===
B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16A1]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:TWDWebCS02 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]) is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm. ]]

===AKMS===
An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.
[[File:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.]]

==Additional Screenshots==
[[Image:Walking dead ak.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
When did Carol get that gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:M4_walking_dead_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2]]
Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk: Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

:I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

:::I get annoyed when people refer to a C8 as an "M4A1", so welcome to the club. ;-) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

::::MT2008, isn't the WASR one of the only stamped variants that doesn't have the dimples though? Also I don't get the Franken-gun comment, as we are talking about the receiver here which is what defines the gun. If an AKM has a hooded front sight we call it a Type 56 and the possibility that it is a Franken-gun doesn't come into it, and this is a hell of a lot easier to change than swapping out a whole new receiver so I don't understand why you are singling out WASR-10s. Also, just to add that if you look at the image at the top of this section you will see that there are markings on the right side of the receiver below the pair of rivets at the front, which do not appear on the vast majority of the AK photos on this site. However they are present on all of the WASR photos, including the WASR-10 underfolder. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== Questionable Production Values ==

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...
:The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
::The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.
:::Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Indeed, TV shows tend to have low budgets these days. I mean, the ARNG guys were flying around in a single-engine Huey, that should've been a dead giveaway. One of my pet peeves in TV and movies these days is that nearly every helicopter is a Huey; ''TV Tropes'' has an entire page dedicated to this phenomenon. At least they had CGI AH-64Ds, although they were dropping napalm bombs; I don't think Apache Longbows can drop UGBs. Not to mention that most of the second season took place on a farm, and the third season mostly takes place in a prison, although it was much, much better than the poor second season. If I were the production crew, I would've had a CGI helo. A CGI UH-60 would've been much better than a real-live, outdated UH-1. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, the Huey used by the Georgia National Guard survivors could be justified as being salvaged from a reserve or storage depot or something along those lines since the show was going on a year since the outbreak (and last I checked, you can't actually ''ride'' in a CGI Black Hawk like they were doing...). The one encountered by Rick outside the hospital in the pilot episode, however, is out of place since it was left over from before the military fell apart. Now the real reason why they're using Hueys is because, AFAIK, there are no S-70s/UH-60s in civilian hands (the Black Hawks in ''Black Hawk Down'' were ''actual'' US Army) for productions to rent, otherwise we'd probably see more of them onscreen. Same reason for the use of decommissioned British tanks like the Chieftain to stand in for the M1 Abrams. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:29, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== WASR Rails ==
I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is [http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-103 this model] made by UTG. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

== CGI muzzle flashes? ==

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM
:Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== several soldiers had M4A1's ==
Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard.

::The Woodbury guys got the M4A1s from the ARNG guys they killed, however, where did Rick's group get them? The prison armory? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:::They had at least one prior to taking the prison because Hershel used it during said action. They found at least one inside the prison armory. And the scoped M4 used by Maggie was captured during Rick's second attack on Woodbury, I believe, because it looks like the same one Merle briefly used when Andrea and Michonne first arrived in Woodbury. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

==The Governor's Pistol==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-david-morrissey-governor-303.jpg here] and [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-governor-episode-303.jpg here] that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: this pistol doesnt look stainless it looks more like a nickel plated beretta 92SB because if you look closely in the scene where the governor holds his pistol to maggies head it glisens in the light and shines unlike the dullness of a stainless inox also the trigger guard looks rounded --[[User:Policerlhpd |Policerlhpd ]] ([[User talk:Policerlhpd |talk]]) 03:48, 06 December 2012 (EDT)

It's not a Beretta 92SB its a beretta inox the latest episode confirms it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:20, 25 February 2013 (EST)

== The Usage of Silencers in Season 3 ==

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects (flashlight tubes, aluminum baseball bats, etc.) as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, such a project can still be a challenge. It all depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it must be subsonic. There will be a loud sonic "crack" otherwise every time the gun is discharged. The 9mm cartridge is typically ''not'' subsonic. Most gun shops that I have been to typically do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite all this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers that seem to work quite well. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols actually, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically ''not'' subsonic, and subsonic variants of this ammunition are also not widely available. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition since the onset of the zombie apocalypse. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:You are making a lot of assumptions and claims for a show that can't even hire an armorer or get blank fire guns. Firstly, improvised suppressors are not all that difficult to manufacture. It can be done with freeze plugs and steel pipe (though it may not last long). The problem is getting your weapon to function and cycle properly with one. Secondly, the vast majority of 147gr 9x19 loads are subsonic, you do not need special subsonic 9mm to run through a can, any 147gr ball or JHP will be fine. Subsonic ammo is not essential, and in some cases, not even recommended, as it won't reliably cycle the action in some gas operated weapons like an AR. A suppressor is just as important, if not more, for saving your own hearing than preventing others from hearing. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] ([[User talk:The Kaptain|talk]]) 15:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::If improvised silencers were really ''that'' easy to make for just any gun, and assuming that they all worked really well too, then just about every hardcore thug, gangbanger, street-level drug dealer, and bad guy in real life would have at least one or two silenced guns, but this is simply not reality. None of the LEO's whom I know in real life and have spoken with on this subject have been able to tell me about themselves encountering much of any improvised silencers in the possession of criminal suspects during their careers. For some guns out there, yes, it is rather easy to make a decent silencer for them on the fly out of various common objects and without having access to all that many tools. One such gun is the .22LR [[Ruger_Mk_I_/_Mk_II_/_Mk_III_Pistol|Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol]] series. I have seen silencers made for that gun from drink bottles, PVC pipe, tractor mufflers, oil filters, and even more odd things than I could even list here. In the post-apocalyptic world of TWD however, I submit that it would actually be quite tricky to make an improvised silencer on the fly that also actually works well for a [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] or a [[Beretta_92FS#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] like we have seen on this show's Season 3. Such a silencer would have to be attached firmly enough to the muzzle without flying downrange after the first or second shot, plus, the internal baffles, wipes, or whatever the design utilizes would also have to remain in alignment with the bore from one shot to the next. To accomplish this, it would most likely require swapping out the factory barrel with an extended barrel which also has external threading. I have not yet seen any depictions or explanation on this show about where and how Rick's group would have been able to make or acquire threaded barrels for any gun. For me, it would have been much more realistic if TWD had featured a scene, or at least made a mention, of Rick's group raiding a Class III licensed gun dealer's shop (There are quite a few such gun shops in Georgia, by the way, which is where TWD is supposedly taking place.) that had some professionally silenced guns, made with machine tools, which had been locked away in some gun safes that had not been breached yet by previous scavengers.

::Maybe it's just me, but most of the 9mm Luger ammunition that I have ever seen on the store shelves out there (Walmart, Kmart, smaller gun shops, etc.) is either 115 gr or 124 gr, and both of these are typically hypersonic, since their muzzle velocities are either slightly or greatly above the sound barrier of 1129 fps. What I usually do not see much of on most store shelves are those 9mm Luger 147 gr rounds, which are typically subsonic. (It seems that the heavier bullet weight is what makes the round subsonic by fault rather than design.)
:::I'll second this. I live in Texas(another very pro-gun state), and I shoot as well. At commercial retailer type stores like Walmart, you won't find sub-sonic 9mm ammo. Even a lot of gun retailers/shooting ranges don't carry it. That said, it's entertainment, for better or worse, you can't expect a ton of realism. Just like you may have to accept that some "elite special forces" guy is going to rush into a combat zone dual wielding a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagle or something in action movies, you just have to accept that the characters here have "silencers" that make guns really really quiet, and not dwell on the lack of realism in either situation. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::I have yet to ever hear anybody in the legitimate business of making or selling ATF-registered silencers recommend against using subsonic ammunition with any silencer. If an AR-type rifle is configured as a sniping system with a bipod, telescopic sights, and a silencer, then it would not really be such a big deal to me if the subsonic ammunition being fired through it failed to cycle the action. The shooter would just have to cycle the action manually after each shot. Besides, "One shot, one kill" is the sniper's motto anyway, right?

::Since the whole point of using a silencer in a zombie-apocalyptic world as depicted in TWD would be the desire to quietly kill a zombie without attracting any other zombies in the far-away distance to your location, to use anything other than subsonic ammunition would be somewhat self-defeating as far as I am concerned. The sonic "crack" that hypersonic ammunition makes when fired through even the best of silencer designs can actually be quite conspicuous downrange. I got to hear the difference for myself between subsonic and hypersonic ammunition being fired through various silencers during a Class III weapons demonstration at a target range once. Being that a 62 gr, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 round has a muzzle velocity of over 3,000 fps, the sonic "crack" made by this round after passing through any silencer simply has to be quite considerable. So, when I saw Merle firing a silenced M4 in S3E03 and heard how relatively quiet the discharge sounded, I could not help but wonder how unrealistic that seemed if we are to also assume that this M4 was also loaded with standard, military-issue, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 ammunition. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (EST)

:::You are forgetting one thing. This is a TV show. They don't need to use actual practical silencers on the guns, they can stick whatever they want onto the barrel and sound FX takes care of the rest. You say that we are to assume that they are using subsonic ammo in their handguns. In reality, however, we don't. If you have seen any movie featuring suppressors, most are just cylinders slipped onto the barrels, not real suppressors. We aren't supposed to assume they are using subsonic ammo, we are supposed to assume that the director wants this pistol to be suppressed, so it will sound suppressed under any circumstances. You are reading way too much into something that has been happening in movies and TV for years. Also, it would have been a huge takeaway from the storytelling, if the characters just all of a sudden went into extensive detail into how they affectively suppressed their weapons and it is much easier just to show the audience, "This is a suppressor, it makes the gun quieter," and not adding on, "But it will only be silenced under extensive conditions." --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yes, of course TWD is a TV show, but this is IMFDb, where we, the contributors to IMFDb, work to identify the firearms and other weapons used in live action TV show dramas and other genres of popular entertainment. IMFDb contributors also discuss gun-related issues pertinent to the depiction of guns in popular entertainment. Being that many of us IMFDb contributors are rather knowledgeable about guns in real life, sometimes one or more of us will take issue with the depiction of guns in popular entertainment on technical grounds that others will likely not even notice or care about. For me in this case, it was the usage of improvised silencers in Season 3 of TWD. If TWD had featured Rick, Carl, and other characters all using improvised silencers made from common objects on firearms chambered in .22 LR, then I would not have taken an issue with this on technical grounds, because in real life, I know just how easy it is to make silencers such as these that will actually perform well shot after shot, and I know how readily available subsonic .22 LR ammunition is. (Almost every large and small business establishment that sells firearm ammunition now stocks it.) Even though silencers have been depicted inaccurately in popular entertainment for years, now that more Americans and other folks abroad legally own real silencers than ever before, and now that even more folks can go online to watch numerous videos which definitively demonstrate what silencers in real life are really like, I feel that the the makers of popular entertainment will be left with no choice but to rethink how they depict the capabilities of silencers in order to keep their audiences happy. Perhaps they already have - there used to be depictions of working silencers on revolvers in popular entertainment made prior to about 1980 or so. Being that it is nearly impossible to build silencers for revolvers that would be both effective and practical, except for the [[Nagant_M1895|Nagant M1895]] revolver, silencer-equipped revolvers are almost never seen in popular entertainment nowadays. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 07:41, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, I know this is IMFDB, I am pretty knowledgeable in firearms and that is why I use this site. I don't see many pages picking apart silencer inaccuracies, because almost all movies and TV shows depict silencers are small tubes that can suppress anything. It is understood that Hollywood does this, therefore if you want to pick apart the inaccurate use of suppressors in every TV show and movie then you are going to need a few years. Or decades. Or lifespans. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Warships at sea, Cheyenne Mountain, Diego Garcia, etc. ==
Do the comics ever elaborate on these and other secure or hard-to-access locations? Land bases like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg getting swamped with sick and wounded civilians that subsequently turn into walkers and overrun them is one thing, but I can't see aircraft carriers in the middle of the world's oceans, a fortified nuclear bunker with severely restricted access, or an isolated island base like DG, having big walker problems. I could conceivably see the government falling back to any such location and continuing to function, even if just to form a floating military nation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)
we still don't know anything about this virus that has infected the entire planet. It does seem that everyone, even the living are infected because once killed the normal way, they turn into one of the zombies. Perhaps more restricted places are secured. We still don't know how the virus was spread but if it is airborne, than no where is safe for long. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:51, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:: Everything exalilbur said plus there was never much of any one who confirmed any hope that hinted there was any goverment left on an island or underground it makes sense they ( the goverment ) wouldn't want it to be known they'd prob wanna keep it a secret wait until hopefully the zombies roamed to well they were immobile except the head or till they starved hopefully ( there was actually one hope there was a walker that rotted to the ground and was immobalized cept the head it was hinted this could happen to other walkers ) then they would try to rebuild wat twas lost i saw the walking dead wikia that in the twd world theres 1 human for every 5000 zombies maybe americas combined with the rest of the world and then average out because wit all our guns I'd think * knock on wood * there'd be more survivors with all ours guns gun stores and the guns that were the militarys ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:: I've read other zombie stories where they talk about warships at sea during a similar zombie outbreak. In the Day by day armeggeddon series by J L Bourne, the navy had a carrier group that was steaming off the coast launching raids on coastal facilities for supplies and rescue ops. But he also wrote about how an outbreak on a ship could quickly spread out of control due to the confined space. Also had a sub that had been undersea during the outbreak and remained submerged for as long as they could. A crew member died and stayed dead until the sub had to surface. And Max Brooks World War Z had the US gov't relocated to hawaii after the military cleared the islands [[user:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I really believe that the climbing number of gun owners in America and how much ammo is bought at the civlian level might work towards making a zombie outbreak impossible or at least controllable. None of the zombie books including Brooks really touch on the American gun culture [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:I have watched some episodes of a reality show which has followed new episodes of TWD on the AMC Sunday night lineup. "Comic Book Men" is the show which I am referring to here. (No, I am not a fan of this show. How this show got renewed for a second season is beyond me, but apparently somebody at AMC decided to renew it.) I believe it was during an episode of this reality show during its first season when Ming, one of the comic book store employees, made a personal revelation about his greatest fear in life being the zombie apocalypse. Walt, another comic book store employee, then gave Ming a look of incredulity and said to him something like, "Dude, don't you realize how many guns there are in this country?" What Walt said there was one of the few things that I have ever liked about this "Comic Book Men" reality show. "Comic Book Men" is a reality show which takes place in the vehemently anti-gun state of New Jersey, where less than 10% of the population shoots and/or owns guns legally, and I would not at all be surprised if none of the stars of this reality show have ever actually owned or fired a real gun in their entire lives. Despite this, at least one of this show's stars, Walt, seemed to understand that a considerable gun culture truly does exist in most states outside of New Jersey. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

::As for Max Brooks, the author of several "zombie survival" books, the guy's Wikipedia page says that he was born in New York City and raised by Hollywood director Mel Brooks and Hollywood actress Anne Bancroft. Being raised in the insanely anti-gun environment of New York City by parents with Hollywood careers and presumably left-leaning and anti-gun viewpoints, and then growing up to become a "Saturday Night Live" comedy writer based in New York City, would lead me to believe that Max Brooks never got to learn much of anything about real-life gun ownership and marksmanship at any point in his life whatsoever. Assuming that this is the case, this would then also explain why Max Brooks, along with other zombie-genre authors and writers with similar non-gun-owning life histories to his own, all seem to have failed to account for the prevalence of the American gun culture in real life when they crafted their fictional tales of zombie outbreaks somehow being able to entirely overwhelm America, and the rest of this world even, to the point where a complete societal breakdown becomes the end result. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::While I think Max Brooks' books are ridiculous in almost every aspect, I have some trouble with you're whole New York theory. I grew up and still live in Massachusetts, a very anti-gun state. My mother was and still is very anti-gun. That didn't stop me from getting into gun culture and learning a lot about it. I have also been shooting at the Smith & Wesson range many times, although it has been closed for quite some time. That being said, I don't think you should jump to conclusions simply because of where someone was born and raised. Not all of a parent's beliefs are passed down to their children. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (EST)

I haven't read the Zombie Survival Guide, but I have read World War Z (which is fucking awesome). One of the survivors makes a point that panicked gun owners shooting other uninfected people actually caused more casualties during the opening stages of the infection ("The Great Panic" as it's called in the book) than the living dead. I'd say it's a fair point, which actually makes the "more guns for all" theory work against America in that context. - Phalanx

:Max Brooks is nothing but just another "limousine liberal" gun-hating libtard elitist who grew up in New York City and Hollywood with the figurative silver spoon in his mouth. I did my research on Max Brooks and I was not impressed. I read his Zombie Survival Guide too. I surely will never buy his World War Z book though. Eff him and that book, seriously. Max Brooks dissed the original M-16 rifle in his Zombie Survival Guide, but that was probably because he had read about the feed problems which the US Army had had with the M-16 rifle in Vietnam some 45+ years ago. If Max Brooks had ever tried joining the US Military sometime around 1990 or so when he had turned 18, then he would have known that the successor of the the original M-16 rifle from the Vietnam era was by then a markedly much better rifle, because he would likely have been issued the M-16A2 rifle at that time. Instead, Max Brooks went to a small liberal arts college in California that kicked the ROTC program off of campus in 1991, and has had outright Communists and radical leftists as commencement speakers all throughout the 2000's in addition to himself. For all we know, Max Brooks was probably all in favor of all of these policy decision at his Alma mater. It only figures that a typical gun-hater libtard like Max Brooks would put an anti-gun-owner jab into his World War Z book. Max Brooks also dissed TWD TV show simply because his friend was fired from it. To reiterate, eff Max Brooks and his books. I will also say the same about whatever movies he is associated with in the future. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Guys, there's a forum for this sort of thing, can we knock it off here? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:23, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:You mean there is a forum for discussion on how clueless Max Brooks is about firearms in general, even though he professes to know which firearms are the best for surviving a zombie apocalypse? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 18:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::What part of "knock it off" is complicated? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::Boy, that escalated quickly. I make a chance remark about a novel and you go on a paranoid rant about "radical leftists" and "communists". Never mind that the reference in the book is from a chapter in which the US Military fights a pitched battle with the zombies and Brooks is broadly correct (if somewhat simplistic, but it's a zombie novel, not "Guns and Ammo") about a dozen weapons systems used by the US Armed Forces. Let's slam him for being, according to you, a "libtard" (because he went to a liberal college, shock horror. As opposed to all of those conservative colleges out there, oh wait). Never mind that the book is stuffed to the gills with soldiers behaving in exemplary ways and basically flat out says "the USA won in Afghanistan and Iraq but the public won't acknowledge it".
And frankly, while I'm not saying that every gun owner is a paranoid recluse who thinks the government is reading his thoughts and is ready to greet a Jehova's Witness knocking unexpectedly at his door with a blast of full-auto, to go the opposite and say that every gun owner is a saintly god of trigger discipline and restraint is equally biased. Just go on youtube and you'll find a host of tacticool retards showing off their new piece with fingers on the trigger, pointing it at themselves, et cetera. I've seen cops with appallingly bad drills. Hell, there's even that famous video of the cop doing a gun safety demonstration shooting himself. My point is, there's apparently 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. That equates to what, a very, very conservative 27,000,000 people who own guns? If even a conservative one in 10,000 of said people is a dangerous idiot, or even just not equipped to deal with the stress of, oh, I dunno, THE END OF THE WORLD AND COMPLETE SOCIAL COLLAPSE, then you've still got 270,000+ instances of manslaughter. -Phalanx

::::To add to what Phalanx has to say, we'd also have to worry about less than honest people like the Governor and his band of misfits, Dave and Tony's group of bandit rapists, and possibly even rogue military and police elements. The living can be just as dangerous, if not more so than, the dead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:58, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::::Also God help your soul if you run into a group like The Hunters from the comics.....[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::::::Yeah, precisely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:20, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::All I know is I really enjoyed WWZ and could care less about Max Brooks politics. Same goes for saving private Ryan and the Director of that movie. Can't understand how someone can trash a book they haven't read. What's next? Trashing an AK-47 after never having ever fired one because it was made in a communist country? So silly.
::::::::Well, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Anyway, I'm glad the OP brought this up, because I always wondered what a USN DDG out at sea would have done in this situation, or a bunch of SEALs at Coronado or Little Creek, VA, in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:29, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== Guns in S03 E06 ==

One gun looks like a Walther P38.

Neil's gun (picked up by Merle after he kills him) looks like a Walther P9.

The other guy in Merle's party appears to have a Glock of some sort but isn't clear enough to be sure...90% certain of it though. Will upload screenshots later maybe.

Finally figured it out:

[[File:P38TWD.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

[[File:P9Merle.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Whatever this is, it isn't a Glock. The slide's way too round, and the trigger & guard are not the Glock style. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 07:41, 24 February 2013 (EST)
:It's ID'd on the main page, its a Walther P99. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Finally! Blanks! ==

In the episode "Made To Suffer"(This episode was F#$KING awesome) it appeared that many of the guns were shooting and cycling blanks. The first and most obvious one was the 870 used by Shupert, it looked like both Daryl's AKMS and Rick's M4A1 were cycling blanks at times, Maggie's P99 seemed to shoot blanks in one or two scenes, and many other random guns during the shootout in Woodbury.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:13, 3 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not so sure they were actually cycling blanks all the time. The M4 looked like it was CGI muzzle flashes, there was a close shot of Daryl's AKMS that was cycling blanks but the wider shots looked more like CGI muzzle flashes. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:40, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:I agree totally. They are indefinably not using blanks in all the shots, though I could have sworn seeing Rick's M4 shooting blanks in scene or two, but most definitely not the whole shootout. and you cannot say that the 870 used by Shupert wasn't shooting blanks, I could even see flames coming out of the ejection port when he racked the action.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (EST)

:I just saw a video about the making of this episode and it has a lot of talk about the guns in the episode. The link is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9oA6PYyYc --[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:15, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== More rifles ==

Episode 8, saw a CX4 Storm and a 20 inch AR-15 series rifle with either a tan handguard or tape on it and what looked to be a cali style grip, either that or the actor was holding it strangely. Both in the background, but I'm positive it's an AR-15, but the CX4 could possibly be a dressed up Hi-Point. There were also 1 or 2 AK variants with wooden furniture, possibly Norincos, didn't see if the FSP was hooded or not (possibly a PolyTech), an AR-15 carbine with a rail system and a SOCOM stock as well as a full sized Uzi,a suppressed micro Uzi and what appears to be a Remington 870 with wooden furniture and several MP5Ks. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 16:50, 3 December 2012 (EST)

*Minor Spoiler Alert* In the promo for the second half of season 3, the Governor (David Morrissey) can be seen firing what looks like a Steyr AUG (one handed no less). Renegadefunk44 20:41 December 3 2012 (EDT)
:That was definitely a Steyr AUG he was shooting, looked like an A1 model with the built in scope. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:42, 4 December 2012 (EST)
I think Daryl's gun might actually be a Type 56 this episode. If nothing else it is definitely a different gun to te previous AKMS as it has a different rail system. Also in some shots you can see that it has the wide front sight, and a couple of times it looked like it could have been hooded to me, but can't find a totally clear shot to confirm. When was the background possibly Cali AR-15, I can't find it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 4 December 2012 (EST)

It was in the background of the Governor's speech at the end, around the same time the CX4 appeared. I think it's the same AKMS though, it looks like the same WASR, but could maybe be a Type 56 with a Tapco RIS [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 12:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:I am fairly sure it is a different gun to the WASR as it has the magazine well dimples and a rear sight rail. Also, there are either two different similar looking guns used in this episode or they changed the muzzle device as in some shots it is an AKM slant compensator, and in others it has a straight cylindrical (and it isn't that the cylindrical one is a BFA, as the slant one is seen in blank firing shots. The cylindrical muzzle can be seen when Glenn is handed the AKM (which I think is an editing mistake, as Daryl arrives and is reloading the AKM, next shot Glenn has it, then Daryl has it back before handing it to Glenn before he throws the grenade). Also, I think the RIS matches [http://www.gamepod.com/ak47-full-ris-p-174.html this] airsoft one (don't know if this is based on a real accessory or is airsoft only). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Pump action sound effect on double barrel shotgun ==
In episode seven, when the hermit aims his break open shotgun at Rick, it sounded like the generic sound effect of a pump action was used, despite not being a pump action.
[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 0:21 4 December 2012 (EST)
:It is possible. The post-production guys may not have known much about firearms and could have added that SFX in. Same thing happened in the 2005 Christian Bale film ''[[Harsh Times]]'', where a pump-racking SFX was added to an [[Armsel Srtiker]]. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:27, 18 February 2013 (EST)

==Shane's Shotgun==
Anybody catch what type of shotgun the resident of Woodbury mistaken for Shane was carrying? --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 13:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Judging by the ones earlier, I think it was an 870 [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 17:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Spoilers in BDA Picture ==

Is the shot of Carl's ([[Chandler Riggs]]) BDA in "Killer Within" (S3EO4) really necessary, It reveals a pretty big and sad spoiler to the episode. Thanks to whoever blurred out the picture, I really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== The Return of Bernthal (Shane) ==

In "Made to Suffer" rick has a hallucination that ''Shane'' ([[Jon Bernthal]]) is walking towards him during the Woodburry shootout. He is armed with some pump action shotgun. the scene is rather dark but it looks like it might be an 870 with synthetic furniture. I don't know how to screencap otherwise I would add this, but if someone else could I would really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Not sure about what kind of rifle this is. Colt 933? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:The barrel is too short to be a 933. I would say a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]], or a civilian copy. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I agree, it is close to the below weapon except without the vertical grip:[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]They both have crane stocks and LMT rear sights, but the show gun has the sight mounted backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== FN FAL? ==
'''WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.'''
When the prison got attacked at the end of the latest episode, I'm pretty sure I saw one of the attackers firing off an FN FAL with an ELCAN sight. Could somebody upload a pic of it, and correct me if I'm wrong? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:22, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:Definitely an FAL.

==Mexican guy's revolver==
What revolver was the mexican guy on the bridge using? It looked like merele had an old model 10 or M&P

:The revolver on the bridge appeared to be some type of Webley. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:49, 18 February 2013 (EST)
::Judging by the grip it must be a Webley "WG" Army Model but i just guessing here. --[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (CST)

Merle had a Colt, maybe a Police Positive or Official Police [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (EST)

== Haley's gun ==

I just watched episode 8 to 9 again and discovered the Haley was using a suppressed mini Uzi can anybody get pictures of it. [[User:Balin21|User:Balin21]]

== Mossberg 590 (Shane's) Season 3 ==

In the first 2 season's Shane's Mossberg 590 has Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's NRS stock on it. From the screen caps already up for season 3, its changed to the Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's Recoil Suppression version. You can tell by the fact that the piece that bolts into the back of the shotgun is shorter. Allowing for the body of the shotgun to recoil back. The NRS model... Well the older Gen 1 version, the piece that bolts to the shotgun continues back to where the adjustable stock begins.

== The Governor's AUG ==

When the Governor's men attack the prison, The Governor himself is seen practically SPRAYING down the area with some type of Steyr-AUG variant, having relative accuracy with that and his Beretta despite the distance and having only one eye.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:My problem with the show is that they constantly are spraying bullets when they know for a fact that ammo is hard to come by. Episode one, the guy sprayed his MP5K and most likely wasted 6 rounds before getting that head shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 19 February 2013 (EST)
::I saw the logistical fail with that, as well. Plus, wouldn't having only one eye, which is a relatively new injury for the Gov to have, screw up your depth perception quite a bit, let alone make you UNABLE to land a headshot with a 9mm handgun one-handed? I love this show but the firearms logistics within it are beginning to wear me down. -[[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:::I'm relatively curious as to where he got the AUG from. Unlike the M4s or AKs in the show (which are military issue for the former, thus incredibly common and very popular civilian weapons for the latter), the AUG is not used by the US military (apart from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and AFAIK they use the full length 20 inch barrel model) and the variant he uses isn't the civilian A3 model which has a Picatinny rail in place of the scope. - [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]]
::::Where they got it I have no idea, I figured it was one of those rare NFA guns floating around out there. As to why the waste of ammunition? I figured it was for the pure purpose of psychological warfare, to let the Atlanta group know that even if they survive this skirmish they can still come back with greater numbers of people and munitions than they'll ever have. Afterall in a world where ammunition is no longer being produced and highly prized, just casually blowing through it without any regard for conservation would suggest they have a large, large supply of it and they have no problem flaunting that.

he took out a national guard convoy, hes got plenty of ammo. better questions why ricks wasting so much.
: Because Officer Friendly is a cop, and in real life ammo conservation and accuracy aren't their best traits. Look at national averages for accuracy and how many rounds they discharge at times. Rick's back to facing live targets again, not just shambling walkers.

== "I Ain’t A Judas" hires promos ==

I came across a few hires promo photos from this episode, and the gun carried by Maggie got my attention:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
To me this looks like it has a Springfield M1903A3 action (A3 because of the horizontal dovetail a the back which would normally hold the aperture sight), does anyone know if there is a sporting rifle that uses this action, or is this a sporterised M1903A3? Also, Merle uses some sort of AR-15 SBR:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0119.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:02, 21 February 2013 (EST)
:It's another Mk 18-type carbine, with Magpul folding BUIS (the front sight looks to be mounted backwards) and an AAC flash hider added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== Merle's Colt ==

I think, based on the size of the gun relative to Michael Rooker's hand, and the length of the cylinder, it's actually a Police Positive Special rather than an Official Police. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Remington 700 VLS ==

I changed the caliber on the picture of the VLS from .270 to .308 - I don't know for sure that it's a .308 but its definitely NOT a .270. Remington only makes the VLS in short action, which can't accomodate a .270. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Huge production error ==

Not really weapons related but anyone think it's a bit odd that they have a 2013 Hyundai, yet the apocalypse started in 2010? Is South Korea unaware people are eating each other and just shipping car around the world?

It's most likely an advertisement, the show's popular so Hyundai is probably a sponsor or something, and they decided to put in their newest car... But aren't we talking about guns here? This should go into 'bloopers' section on some movie website :) And You forgot to sign Your post (four ~) --[[User:Alisha161Fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161Fishy|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2013 (EST)

It's never stated in the show what year it is (unless I've missed something), so the car's presence is plausible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:05, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It's a 2013 Hyundai Tucson. I drive the same one haha. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 20:28, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Well about cars and guns, I'll be a little forgiving on new toys mostly because the actual YEAR the show takes place in is never told to us. We can assume it is "present day" but it could be a couple years from now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2013 (EST)

:Let's wait and see if SCARs, ACRs, Masadas, and XCRs start appearing at some point in the show, ''then'' we'll see how forgiving you are. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:28, 5 March 2013 (EST)

== Machine gun ==

I cant figure out what type of machine gun is on the wall to woodbury it looks like a Browning 1919 can anyone confirm it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 09:01, 25 February 2013 (EST)
: It could be but the rifle used by one of the guards looks to be a tactical'd SKS.
::It was definitely a 1919. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:15, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::An M1919 definitely but, and I watched the episode a few times to make sure, it seems the weapon is lying on it's side as the gunner appears to be holding the grip "gangsta" style. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::::No, it's right-side up I'm pretty sure the "grip" on the side he is holding is actually the charging handle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 09:56, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. ==

Okay walking dead is almost over won't spoil it rick comes to a town with Michonne Carl finds a huge armory and something tells me that that we're gonna have some work ahead of us identifying it all i saw several Ar-15 variants an AK-47 variant several shotguns and what i believe to be a crate with an mk2 grenade on top a little bit convent that they need all this stuff I'll admit but still ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:01, 3 March 2013 (EST)

I saw the Remington 700 from the first season, Several AR-15 type rifles, I believe a .50 Rifle without a scope or iron sights, Another Crossbow (I was thinking a Ghost 400 due to the all black coloring) and various wood-stocked hunting guns. Morgan used an AR with an optic I couldn't identify. --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:35, 3 March 2013 (EST).
: Yeah i think the gun Morgan used on the rooftops and the ground i believe that's the one your talking about was a Colt 933 or a compact Ar like it i don't thinks its the mk18 we saw Merle use however oh and what i think is a Remington 700 PSS or SPS in back of Rick when he asked Michonne you think he crazy --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)
I saw an SKS in the racks (can tell by the front sight and bayonet mount) in a "Dragunov" style polymer stock with an AK magazine (probably the same gun the Woodbury Guard has). There is also a Steyr SSG 69 which is quite prominent, sitting on its bipod under the "Duane Turned" graffiti. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:34, 4 March 2013 (EST)

The Law Enforcement Carbine and M4A1/M203 from "Walk With Me" made a reappearance in Morgan's armory, too. I saw Rick pick up the former (it had the same fabric wrapping on the handguard as the one pictured in the Governor's hands) and the latter could be seen laying on its side next to Morgan while he was tied up. Prop-wise, all of these guns probably ''are'' the same ones used by the Woodbury Army. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 4 March 2013 (EST) p
:: Just saw a pic of the armory several AK-47 wooden furniture variants what i believe a MP5K on a table ( like spartan said these weapons are probably the same as the woodbury armory the mp5k prob being the one Martinez was using an a box of mk2 or i should say A CRATE fulled with mk2 grenades and what be appears to be a lee enfield but i can only see the underbelly of the weapon so not positive. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 11:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)
The black crossbow appears to be a Stryker Strykezone 380 or possibly the 350. [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2013 (EST)
: In the sneak peek for the next episode of walking dead on AMCTV Daryl is seen using a new crossbow identifiable by the accessory rail ( which Daryl didn't mount his Hortons red dot on ) the more shorter stock and a larger hump on the stock I'll link it because honestly i don't know i thing about crossbows but however i do think your right that is a strykezone 350 or 380 except the stock is more collapsed in but also has a woodland scheme to it now the pics i see on google of both they both have either one or the other and I'm not sure so here's the link a good shot is at around )0:37 where it closes up on the stock http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-313-the-walking-dead-arrow-on-the-doorpost . --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 16:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)

I saw in the grenade bin that looked like german stick grenades and i saw a couple of heckler & koch MP5's by the grenades. And one of the rifles looked like a m1 carbine because of the barrel with bayonet lug and another rifle looked like a ruger mini-14 with aftermarket choate folding stock.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 18:28, 4 March 2013 (EST)

If you look behind the lid of the grenade crate the front end of a Famas is just visible. The flash hider looks big, but that is because the grenade support is slid all the way forward. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:42, 5 March 2013 (EST)

I got a very I am Legend vibe from this episode. Also, I bet the writer wrote them finding this cache as a reason for why they have so much ammo to burn. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:57, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Also with that many grenades and other explosives, I'd start getting creative in killing the undead [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:59, 5 March 2013 (EST)

At one scene where michonne has the crossbow on her back im sure you could just make out STRYKER on the quiver [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 12:52, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Okay question when Rick was carring out those bags i didn't see any protrusions from barrels and frankly when i first saw i was really worried that he didn't take that many guns and it was mostly ammo i think they took the suit case filled with AR though my explanation is when Morgan said your taking a lot of guns that Rick had loaded up the car with the guns and was taking the ammo last other theory's ? can't wait to see the groups reaction when seeing what rick came back with --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 16:39, 5 March 2013 (EST)

:Like I said above, most of these guns are probably the same props used by the Woodbury Army, so having Rick take a whole bunch of guns this episode would only result in them disappearing in the next one with us complaining "Where did all those guns go?" The show has a low enough budget per episode as it is without the production having to rent tens more guns. You'd think with the show being such a huge success, AMC would be a little more generous, but ''nooooooo''. No wonder television is shyte these days. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:31, 5 March 2013 (EST)

:: I'm right there with ya spartan i hate AMC cut twd budget by reportedly 20% yet someone told me breaking bad has a 3 million dollar budget per episode amc is stupid i was gonna say they probably didn't show the guns taken so people wouldn't notice they were used by Woodbury but still the highest view premiere for any drama on amc maybe if amc did use the money that twd makes a fair share on crap like immortalized or freak show and then put previews for twd to kick off immortalized like with comic book men twd budget wouldn't be stretched. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 20:50, 5 March 2013 (EST)

:::No TWD previews will make me watch crap like Immortalized, Freakshow, or Comic Book Men, I can tell you that.
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:28, 6 March 2013 (EST)

:::: i know me as well i just record it fast forward fifteen minutes and watch the fifteen second preview for twd which is funny that the show is that good that'll you'll go threw all that just to see a short scene but they figured out twd previews helped comic book men get on its feet so they did it again i felt bad for the killing fans when they got cancelled in favor of putting reality on amc ( they brought it back but still ) its the equivalent putting commercials on tmc its selling out for money or for more money rather but i agree --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 15:44, 6 March 2013 (EST)

==Daryls new crossbow==

talking dead showed a still saying it was replaced as the old one was clunky and norman reedus got a black eye when it bounced off the door. It definitely looks dfferent, i dont know much about crossbows though anyone want to identify?

As already stated on this page it's a Stryker Strykezone 380 or 350. [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 11:41, 11 March 2013 (EDT)
:I think it's a Stryker Strike Zone 380... not a 100% though, haven't seen the episode yet. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:02, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

on the front of the crossbow you can sort of see a 0 but the other numbers are too faded to make out. I thought they'd make more fuss over Daryl getting a new crossbow though, [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 12:59, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

On the AMC youtube channel the prop guy said it's "a brand new 380 Stryker." --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 12:08, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

I don't know very much about crossbows, could any crossbow expert explain the differences that will come with Daryl's new one? It's strange he has no optic for it though. [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 06:11, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2

2013-03-16T23:30:36Z

Bahlemar: /* Possibly pointless info */

hello first edit but i have some screens and a video from this game, with weapons and equipment in them, if this helps you identify some please update this page i cannot wait for this game yeeaaaahhhh

http://www.shacknews.com/article/73011/sniper-ghost-warrior-2-preview

http://www.shacknews.com/game/sniper-ghost-warrior-2/screenshots

http://www.gamestrust.de/action/news,sniper-ghost-warrior-2-video-20-minuten-gameplay-szenen,id17774.html

plus the devs said a barrett XM500 is confirmed to be in the game via facebook.

happy to help and the name is officially Sniper 2: Ghost Warrior.

:According to IGN and the developer, the name is Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:23, 25 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh well i've seen that name being confirmed in various interviews with the devs but they havent changed it on the site. The new guns look to be m40s/reminton 700s style weapons adna customised (two toned?) 1911 type pistol. someone double check for me.
--[[User:Quaney Owns U|Quaney Owns U]] 01:19, 26 March 2012 (CDT)

Looks like the 1911 could be a MEU or Kimber Variant by the grips,hammer and ambidextrous safeties. --[[User:BrokenBullet|BrokenBullet]] 08:10, 1 April 2012 (CDT)

Ive also found an FN FAL and a mounted machine gun possibly an M240????? aaaand obviously the Desert Eagle. Alos a silenced Sig-Sauer P220 with a two toned finish.
--[[User:Quaney Owns U|Quaney Owns U]] 12:36, 1 April 2012 (CDT)

== unknown rifle ==

[[Image:SGW2 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
some sort of FAL maybe? --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:21, 13 April 2012 (CDT)
:[[INSAS]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:07, 13 April 2012 (CDT)
::Yes. Thank you. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:58, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

== MSR or an entirely new rifle? (Possible minor spoilers ahead) ==

In the newest urban environment walkthrough showcase, game developers have shown that one of the early missions is set in Sarajevo during the siege, pitting the player against JNA soldiers. Somewhere at 2:48 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eYdLSozRpo you can see a JNA sniper perched on the rooftop sporting a rifle, which to my best judgement (considering the proportions of the magazine and the general shape) seem to be none other, but the MSR. ''In 1993 no less''. Am I the only one who thinks that's simply ''hilariously'' out of place? Given the setting a much better choice would be an SVD (to serve as a stand in for our own local M91 variant) or the M76 DMR, but again I'm not nowhere as nearly as clever as game developers so what do I know. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 13:20, 27 April 2012 (CDT)
:Yes, it was an MSR. In 1993. Happens if game developers use other video games as a source of information. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:24, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

== Possibly pointless info ==

The MSR is used in Act 1 (which takes place 'a week ago')
The M24 is used in Act 2 (1993 flashback)
The M-200 is used in Act 3 (the 'present')
The XM500 is at various points where you set up a sniping position and can't move until taking out all targets. [[User:Reno2200|Reno2200]] ([[User talk:Reno2200|talk]]) 00:18, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

The english used on the page is very poor, i've improved what i can but i havn't played this game so my knowledge is limited, could someone who knows more about the game help? [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 19:30, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2

2013-03-16T23:28:38Z

Bahlemar: /* IMI/ Magnum Desert Eagle Mark VII */

Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2

2013-03-16T23:27:10Z

Bahlemar: /* SIG-Sauer P220 */

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-11T16:59:20Z

Bahlemar: /* Daryls new crossbow */

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-11T15:41:03Z

Bahlemar: /* Daryls new crossbow */

Talk:Arma 3

2013-03-06T14:07:00Z

Bahlemar: /* Rook 40 */

= Fictional or Unconfirmed Weapons =

== Rook 40 ==

The Rook 40 seems to be a fictional handgun. Here, have a look.

[[image:Arma3_Rook40_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rook 40. What is this thing? Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_Rook40_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the Rook 40. It's a bit baffling. Image taken from Alpha.]]

Looks like an MP-443 Grach [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 09:07, 6 March 2013 (EST)

== RPG-42 ==

The RPG-42 is the standard OPFOR launcher. Trouble is, I've never heard of one before.

[[image:Arma3_RPG42_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World model of the RPG-42. What is this thing? Image taken from Alpha.]]

[[image:Arma3_RPG42_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of an RPG-42 as OPFOR enjoy a lovely seafront. Once again, I can't recognize it.]]
= Discussion =
== F2000 Foregrip ==
The F2000's foregrip is a Monolith Arms Tri-Rail System. Since Monolith Arms got bought by Magpul, Magpul may start producing them. I don't know. But that's why the F2000 has the P90 style foregrip.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Halomfg/DSCN5779.jpg?t=1257801238
--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 03:35, 23 June 2011 (CDT)
:If they started producing them again I might actually take a look at buying an FS 2000. That Monolith Arms foregrip is just too badass. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:17, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

== Sniper rifle on the poster. ==

I put it down as a [[Barrett M99]], but can't be absolutely certain that its not a [[Barrett M95]] without seeing the magazine (of lack thereof), but the length of the forend makes me think M99. Can anyone who knows more about these confirm? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 09:52, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, the guys on BIS forums are guessing M95. Also, about that unknown gun, it kinda sorta could be the new Skorpion. The EVO one? [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 18:20, 26 June 2011 (CDT)
:I think your very well right about the unknown gun being the CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1, yep, it's defiantly it, way to go Tanaj! :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:51, 26 June 2011 (CDT)
::Well, to be honest I looked it up on their forum. But to my credit it was one of my guesses even before that. :) [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 09:02, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Machine gun - Caseless ammo? ==
Anyone else notice that the ammo appears to look like the LSAT's caseless round? (http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/lsat_ammunition-tfb.jpg for reference) --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:50, 28 June 2011 (CDT)
:Difficult to say, might be just an early model, but I do remember seeing a screenshot from the E3 presentation with a reload/pickup prompt with some more exotic round. 6.8 I think, but I'm not sure. [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 09:02, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Any ideas? ==

on what the unknown rifle is? i've seen the stock somewhere but the straight mag throws me (Could be for 6.5/6.8mm rounds) http://i.imgur.com/wUNOD.jpg
Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0tOSjYgGvHw#!

Looks to just be Bohemia's take on the Remington ACR, similar to their take on the KAC LMG. Stock seems to be a cross between the ACR adjustable stock and a Magpul UBR, receiver configuration looks to have the same profile. Same overall weapon profile, with some key differences (Like location of the charging handle, and rail system). But my money is that it was just based off of the ACR. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:50, 1 June 2012 (CDT)
:Confirmed by a inside source, its in game name is the MX, its the NATO standard rifle and it fires the 6.5 Grendel. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 06:36, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::Not so much inside source as its name being plastered on all the E3 infantry gameplay.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 06:31, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::: No, inside source, I've known for a few months but haven't been on the site for a while; the gurrilla's also use the tavor... [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 06:36, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
:::: Tavor was one of the first weapons shown. Post something unknown for credibility. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 10:07, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::::: Well i would love to but i prefer to avoid breaking my NDA and losing €25,000... [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 19:22, 14 June 2012 (CDT)
Is it just me or does the magazine look too small for 6.5mm Grendel? Or maybe the scaling is just off in that first screenshot. Also, it is odd they have made the magazine straight, as the 6.5mm Grendel roung has a taper so the mag would need to be curved just like a .223. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:45, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
:That said, could it perhaps be chambered in some fictional caseless round? From what I understand (which is, granted, only stuff freely available online), the LSAT concept using a 5.56mm round isn't finalised and could be subject to change (assuming it ever sees the light of day). I suspect that this might be Bohemia's guess at what the LSAT rifle might look like. Just conjecture, but I thought it couldn't hurt to float the idea. [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 20:10, 4 July 2012 (CDT)

== Glock 19 ==
As noted as a PO7, it is most likely a place holder for the CZ PO7 Duty, thoughts? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 01:49, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:It's probably just a fictionalized name. ArmA II used G17 for it, and it looks like a nearly photo identical model was used for ArmA III. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 18:19, 2 February 2013

::Well, everything is possible. We'll just wait and see :P --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] ([[User talk:RaNgeR|talk]]) 13:49, 3 February 2013 (EST)

:::Something fun I noticed during a trawl through some Gamescon 2012 footage. [[Image:9x21.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
:::Click on that and expand it. The "Glock" is chambered in 9x21mm. It seems to mention a weapon similar to the PP-2000 as well. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 21:49, 8 Febuary 2013

== Alpha release on March 5th ==

The alpha release will be on March 5th. We've been promised 12 weapons. I'll try and find out which as soon as I can. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 22:48, 26 Febuary 2013

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-05T17:52:22Z

Bahlemar: /* New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. */

==Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"==
'''The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":'''

===M16===
B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16A1]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:TWDWebCS02 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]) is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm. ]]

===AKMS===
An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.
[[File:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.]]

==Additional Screenshots==
[[Image:Walking dead ak.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
When did Carol get that gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:M4_walking_dead_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2]]
Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk: Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

:I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

:::I get annoyed when people refer to a C8 as an "M4A1", so welcome to the club. ;-) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

::::MT2008, isn't the WASR one of the only stamped variants that doesn't have the dimples though? Also I don't get the Franken-gun comment, as we are talking about the receiver here which is what defines the gun. If an AKM has a hooded front sight we call it a Type 56 and the possibility that it is a Franken-gun doesn't come into it, and this is a hell of a lot easier to change than swapping out a whole new receiver so I don't understand why you are singling out WASR-10s. Also, just to add that if you look at the image at the top of this section you will see that there are markings on the right side of the receiver below the pair of rivets at the front, which do not appear on the vast majority of the AK photos on this site. However they are present on all of the WASR photos, including the WASR-10 underfolder. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== Questionable Production Values ==

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...
:The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
::The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.
:::Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Indeed, TV shows tend to have low budgets these days. I mean, the ARNG guys were flying around in a single-engine Huey, that should've been a dead giveaway. One of my pet peeves in TV and movies these days is that nearly every helicopter is a Huey; ''TV Tropes'' has an entire page dedicated to this phenomenon. At least they had CGI AH-64Ds, although they were dropping napalm bombs; I don't think Apache Longbows can drop UGBs. Not to mention that most of the second season took place on a farm, and the third season mostly takes place in a prison, although it was much, much better than the poor second season. If I were the production crew, I would've had a CGI helo. A CGI UH-60 would've been much better than a real-live, outdated UH-1. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, the Huey used by the Georgia National Guard survivors could be justified as being salvaged from a reserve or storage depot or something along those lines since the show was going on a year since the outbreak (and last I checked, you can't actually ''ride'' in a CGI Black Hawk like they were doing...). The one encountered by Rick outside the hospital in the pilot episode, however, is out of place since it was left over from before the military fell apart. Now the real reason why they're using Hueys is because, AFAIK, there are no S-70s/UH-60s in civilian hands (the Black Hawks in ''Black Hawk Down'' were ''actual'' US Army) for productions to rent, otherwise we'd probably see more of them onscreen. Same reason for the use of decommissioned British tanks like the Chieftain to stand in for the M1 Abrams. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:29, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== WASR Rails ==
I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is [http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-103 this model] made by UTG. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

== CGI muzzle flashes? ==

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM
:Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== several soldiers had M4A1's ==
Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard.

::The Woodbury guys got the M4A1s from the ARNG guys they killed, however, where did Rick's group get them? The prison armory? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:::They had at least one prior to taking the prison because Hershel used it during said action. They found at least one inside the prison armory. And the scoped M4 used by Maggie was captured during Rick's second attack on Woodbury, I believe, because it looks like the same one Merle briefly used when Andrea and Michonne first arrived in Woodbury. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

==The Governor's Pistol==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-david-morrissey-governor-303.jpg here] and [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-governor-episode-303.jpg here] that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: this pistol doesnt look stainless it looks more like a nickel plated beretta 92SB because if you look closely in the scene where the governor holds his pistol to maggies head it glisens in the light and shines unlike the dullness of a stainless inox also the trigger guard looks rounded --[[User:Policerlhpd |Policerlhpd ]] ([[User talk:Policerlhpd |talk]]) 03:48, 06 December 2012 (EDT)

It's not a Beretta 92SB its a beretta inox the latest episode confirms it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:20, 25 February 2013 (EST)

== The Usage of Silencers in Season 3 ==

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects (flashlight tubes, aluminum baseball bats, etc.) as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, such a project can still be a challenge. It all depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it must be subsonic. There will be a loud sonic "crack" otherwise every time the gun is discharged. The 9mm cartridge is typically ''not'' subsonic. Most gun shops that I have been to typically do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite all this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers that seem to work quite well. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols actually, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically ''not'' subsonic, and subsonic variants of this ammunition are also not widely available. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition since the onset of the zombie apocalypse. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:You are making a lot of assumptions and claims for a show that can't even hire an armorer or get blank fire guns. Firstly, improvised suppressors are not all that difficult to manufacture. It can be done with freeze plugs and steel pipe (though it may not last long). The problem is getting your weapon to function and cycle properly with one. Secondly, the vast majority of 147gr 9x19 loads are subsonic, you do not need special subsonic 9mm to run through a can, any 147gr ball or JHP will be fine. Subsonic ammo is not essential, and in some cases, not even recommended, as it won't reliably cycle the action in some gas operated weapons like an AR. A suppressor is just as important, if not more, for saving your own hearing than preventing others from hearing. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] ([[User talk:The Kaptain|talk]]) 15:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::If improvised silencers were really ''that'' easy to make for just any gun, and assuming that they all worked really well too, then just about every hardcore thug, gangbanger, street-level drug dealer, and bad guy in real life would have at least one or two silenced guns, but this is simply not reality. None of the LEO's whom I know in real life and have spoken with on this subject have been able to tell me about themselves encountering much of any improvised silencers in the possession of criminal suspects during their careers. For some guns out there, yes, it is rather easy to make a decent silencer for them on the fly out of various common objects and without having access to all that many tools. One such gun is the .22LR [[Ruger_Mk_I_/_Mk_II_/_Mk_III_Pistol|Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol]] series. I have seen silencers made for that gun from drink bottles, PVC pipe, tractor mufflers, oil filters, and even more odd things than I could even list here. In the post-apocalyptic world of TWD however, I submit that it would actually be quite tricky to make an improvised silencer on the fly that also actually works well for a [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] or a [[Beretta_92FS#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] like we have seen on this show's Season 3. Such a silencer would have to be attached firmly enough to the muzzle without flying downrange after the first or second shot, plus, the internal baffles, wipes, or whatever the design utilizes would also have to remain in alignment with the bore from one shot to the next. To accomplish this, it would most likely require swapping out the factory barrel with an extended barrel which also has external threading. I have not yet seen any depictions or explanation on this show about where and how Rick's group would have been able to make or acquire threaded barrels for any gun. For me, it would have been much more realistic if TWD had featured a scene, or at least made a mention, of Rick's group raiding a Class III licensed gun dealer's shop (There are quite a few such gun shops in Georgia, by the way, which is where TWD is supposedly taking place.) that had some professionally silenced guns, made with machine tools, which had been locked away in some gun safes that had not been breached yet by previous scavengers.

::Maybe it's just me, but most of the 9mm Luger ammunition that I have ever seen on the store shelves out there (Walmart, Kmart, smaller gun shops, etc.) is either 115 gr or 124 gr, and both of these are typically hypersonic, since their muzzle velocities are either slightly or greatly above the sound barrier of 1129 fps. What I usually do not see much of on most store shelves are those 9mm Luger 147 gr rounds, which are typically subsonic. (It seems that the heavier bullet weight is what makes the round subsonic by fault rather than design.)
:::I'll second this. I live in Texas(another very pro-gun state), and I shoot as well. At commercial retailer type stores like Walmart, you won't find sub-sonic 9mm ammo. Even a lot of gun retailers/shooting ranges don't carry it. That said, it's entertainment, for better or worse, you can't expect a ton of realism. Just like you may have to accept that some "elite special forces" guy is going to rush into a combat zone dual wielding a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagle or something in action movies, you just have to accept that the characters here have "silencers" that make guns really really quiet, and not dwell on the lack of realism in either situation. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::I have yet to ever hear anybody in the legitimate business of making or selling ATF-registered silencers recommend against using subsonic ammunition with any silencer. If an AR-type rifle is configured as a sniping system with a bipod, telescopic sights, and a silencer, then it would not really be such a big deal to me if the subsonic ammunition being fired through it failed to cycle the action. The shooter would just have to cycle the action manually after each shot. Besides, "One shot, one kill" is the sniper's motto anyway, right?

::Since the whole point of using a silencer in a zombie-apocalyptic world as depicted in TWD would be the desire to quietly kill a zombie without attracting any other zombies in the far-away distance to your location, to use anything other than subsonic ammunition would be somewhat self-defeating as far as I am concerned. The sonic "crack" that hypersonic ammunition makes when fired through even the best of silencer designs can actually be quite conspicuous downrange. I got to hear the difference for myself between subsonic and hypersonic ammunition being fired through various silencers during a Class III weapons demonstration at a target range once. Being that a 62 gr, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 round has a muzzle velocity of over 3,000 fps, the sonic "crack" made by this round after passing through any silencer simply has to be quite considerable. So, when I saw Merle firing a silenced M4 in S3E03 and heard how relatively quiet the discharge sounded, I could not help but wonder how unrealistic that seemed if we are to also assume that this M4 was also loaded with standard, military-issue, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 ammunition. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (EST)

:::You are forgetting one thing. This is a TV show. They don't need to use actual practical silencers on the guns, they can stick whatever they want onto the barrel and sound FX takes care of the rest. You say that we are to assume that they are using subsonic ammo in their handguns. In reality, however, we don't. If you have seen any movie featuring suppressors, most are just cylinders slipped onto the barrels, not real suppressors. We aren't supposed to assume they are using subsonic ammo, we are supposed to assume that the director wants this pistol to be suppressed, so it will sound suppressed under any circumstances. You are reading way too much into something that has been happening in movies and TV for years. Also, it would have been a huge takeaway from the storytelling, if the characters just all of a sudden went into extensive detail into how they affectively suppressed their weapons and it is much easier just to show the audience, "This is a suppressor, it makes the gun quieter," and not adding on, "But it will only be silenced under extensive conditions." --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yes, of course TWD is a TV show, but this is IMFDb, where we, the contributors to IMFDb, work to identify the firearms and other weapons used in live action TV show dramas and other genres of popular entertainment. IMFDb contributors also discuss gun-related issues pertinent to the depiction of guns in popular entertainment. Being that many of us IMFDb contributors are rather knowledgeable about guns in real life, sometimes one or more of us will take issue with the depiction of guns in popular entertainment on technical grounds that others will likely not even notice or care about. For me in this case, it was the usage of improvised silencers in Season 3 of TWD. If TWD had featured Rick, Carl, and other characters all using improvised silencers made from common objects on firearms chambered in .22 LR, then I would not have taken an issue with this on technical grounds, because in real life, I know just how easy it is to make silencers such as these that will actually perform well shot after shot, and I know how readily available subsonic .22 LR ammunition is. (Almost every large and small business establishment that sells firearm ammunition now stocks it.) Even though silencers have been depicted inaccurately in popular entertainment for years, now that more Americans and other folks abroad legally own real silencers than ever before, and now that even more folks can go online to watch numerous videos which definitively demonstrate what silencers in real life are really like, I feel that the the makers of popular entertainment will be left with no choice but to rethink how they depict the capabilities of silencers in order to keep their audiences happy. Perhaps they already have - there used to be depictions of working silencers on revolvers in popular entertainment made prior to about 1980 or so. Being that it is nearly impossible to build silencers for revolvers that would be both effective and practical, except for the [[Nagant_M1895|Nagant M1895]] revolver, silencer-equipped revolvers are almost never seen in popular entertainment nowadays. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 07:41, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, I know this is IMFDB, I am pretty knowledgeable in firearms and that is why I use this site. I don't see many pages picking apart silencer inaccuracies, because almost all movies and TV shows depict silencers are small tubes that can suppress anything. It is understood that Hollywood does this, therefore if you want to pick apart the inaccurate use of suppressors in every TV show and movie then you are going to need a few years. Or decades. Or lifespans. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Warships at sea, Cheyenne Mountain, Diego Garcia, etc. ==
Do the comics ever elaborate on these and other secure or hard-to-access locations? Land bases like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg getting swamped with sick and wounded civilians that subsequently turn into walkers and overrun them is one thing, but I can't see aircraft carriers in the middle of the world's oceans, a fortified nuclear bunker with severely restricted access, or an isolated island base like DG, having big walker problems. I could conceivably see the government falling back to any such location and continuing to function, even if just to form a floating military nation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)
we still don't know anything about this virus that has infected the entire planet. It does seem that everyone, even the living are infected because once killed the normal way, they turn into one of the zombies. Perhaps more restricted places are secured. We still don't know how the virus was spread but if it is airborne, than no where is safe for long. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:51, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:: Everything exalilbur said plus there was never much of any one who confirmed any hope that hinted there was any goverment left on an island or underground it makes sense they ( the goverment ) wouldn't want it to be known they'd prob wanna keep it a secret wait until hopefully the zombies roamed to well they were immobile except the head or till they starved hopefully ( there was actually one hope there was a walker that rotted to the ground and was immobalized cept the head it was hinted this could happen to other walkers ) then they would try to rebuild wat twas lost i saw the walking dead wikia that in the twd world theres 1 human for every 5000 zombies maybe americas combined with the rest of the world and then average out because wit all our guns I'd think * knock on wood * there'd be more survivors with all ours guns gun stores and the guns that were the militarys ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:: I've read other zombie stories where they talk about warships at sea during a similar zombie outbreak. In the Day by day armeggeddon series by J L Bourne, the navy had a carrier group that was steaming off the coast launching raids on coastal facilities for supplies and rescue ops. But he also wrote about how an outbreak on a ship could quickly spread out of control due to the confined space. Also had a sub that had been undersea during the outbreak and remained submerged for as long as they could. A crew member died and stayed dead until the sub had to surface. And Max Brooks World War Z had the US gov't relocated to hawaii after the military cleared the islands [[user:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I really believe that the climbing number of gun owners in America and how much ammo is bought at the civlian level might work towards making a zombie outbreak impossible or at least controllable. None of the zombie books including Brooks really touch on the American gun culture [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:I have watched some episodes of a reality show which has followed new episodes of TWD on the AMC Sunday night lineup. "Comic Book Men" is the show which I am referring to here. (No, I am not a fan of this show. How this show got renewed for a second season is beyond me, but apparently somebody at AMC decided to renew it.) I believe it was during an episode of this reality show during its first season when Ming, one of the comic book store employees, made a personal revelation about his greatest fear in life being the zombie apocalypse. Walt, another comic book store employee, then gave Ming a look of incredulity and said to him something like, "Dude, don't you realize how many guns there are in this country?" What Walt said there was one of the few things that I have ever liked about this "Comic Book Men" reality show. "Comic Book Men" is a reality show which takes place in the vehemently anti-gun state of New Jersey, where less than 10% of the population shoots and/or owns guns legally, and I would not at all be surprised if none of the stars of this reality show have ever actually owned or fired a real gun in their entire lives. Despite this, at least one of this show's stars, Walt, seemed to understand that a considerable gun culture truly does exist in most states outside of New Jersey. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

::As for Max Brooks, the author of several "zombie survival" books, the guy's Wikipedia page says that he was born in New York City and raised by Hollywood director Mel Brooks and Hollywood actress Anne Bancroft. Being raised in the insanely anti-gun environment of New York City by parents with Hollywood careers and presumably left-leaning and anti-gun viewpoints, and then growing up to become a "Saturday Night Live" comedy writer based in New York City, would lead me to believe that Max Brooks never got to learn much of anything about real-life gun ownership and marksmanship at any point in his life whatsoever. Assuming that this is the case, this would then also explain why Max Brooks, along with other zombie-genre authors and writers with similar non-gun-owning life histories to his own, all seem to have failed to account for the prevalence of the American gun culture in real life when they crafted their fictional tales of zombie outbreaks somehow being able to entirely overwhelm America, and the rest of this world even, to the point where a complete societal breakdown becomes the end result. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::While I think Max Brooks' books are ridiculous in almost every aspect, I have some trouble with you're whole New York theory. I grew up and still live in Massachusetts, a very anti-gun state. My mother was and still is very anti-gun. That didn't stop me from getting into gun culture and learning a lot about it. I have also been shooting at the Smith & Wesson range many times, although it has been closed for quite some time. That being said, I don't think you should jump to conclusions simply because of where someone was born and raised. Not all of a parent's beliefs are passed down to their children. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (EST)

I haven't read the Zombie Survival Guide, but I have read World War Z (which is fucking awesome). One of the survivors makes a point that panicked gun owners shooting other uninfected people actually caused more casualties during the opening stages of the infection ("The Great Panic" as it's called in the book) than the living dead. I'd say it's a fair point, which actually makes the "more guns for all" theory work against America in that context. - Phalanx

:Max Brooks is nothing but just another "limousine liberal" gun-hating libtard elitist who grew up in New York City and Hollywood with the figurative silver spoon in his mouth. I did my research on Max Brooks and I was not impressed. I read his Zombie Survival Guide too. I surely will never buy his World War Z book though. Eff him and that book, seriously. Max Brooks dissed the original M-16 rifle in his Zombie Survival Guide, but that was probably because he had read about the feed problems which the US Army had had with the M-16 rifle in Vietnam some 45+ years ago. If Max Brooks had ever tried joining the US Military sometime around 1990 or so when he had turned 18, then he would have known that the successor of the the original M-16 rifle from the Vietnam era was by then a markedly much better rifle, because he would likely have been issued the M-16A2 rifle at that time. Instead, Max Brooks went to a small liberal arts college in California that kicked the ROTC program off of campus in 1991, and has had outright Communists and radical leftists as commencement speakers all throughout the 2000's in addition to himself. For all we know, Max Brooks was probably all in favor of all of these policy decision at his Alma mater. It only figures that a typical gun-hater libtard like Max Brooks would put an anti-gun-owner jab into his World War Z book. Max Brooks also dissed TWD TV show simply because his friend was fired from it. To reiterate, eff Max Brooks and his books. I will also say the same about whatever movies he is associated with in the future. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Guys, there's a forum for this sort of thing, can we knock it off here? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:23, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:You mean there is a forum for discussion on how clueless Max Brooks is about firearms in general, even though he professes to know which firearms are the best for surviving a zombie apocalypse? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 18:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::What part of "knock it off" is complicated? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::Boy, that escalated quickly. I make a chance remark about a novel and you go on a paranoid rant about "radical leftists" and "communists". Never mind that the reference in the book is from a chapter in which the US Military fights a pitched battle with the zombies and Brooks is broadly correct (if somewhat simplistic, but it's a zombie novel, not "Guns and Ammo") about a dozen weapons systems used by the US Armed Forces. Let's slam him for being, according to you, a "libtard" (because he went to a liberal college, shock horror. As opposed to all of those conservative colleges out there, oh wait). Never mind that the book is stuffed to the gills with soldiers behaving in exemplary ways and basically flat out says "the USA won in Afghanistan and Iraq but the public won't acknowledge it".
And frankly, while I'm not saying that every gun owner is a paranoid recluse who thinks the government is reading his thoughts and is ready to greet a Jehova's Witness knocking unexpectedly at his door with a blast of full-auto, to go the opposite and say that every gun owner is a saintly god of trigger discipline and restraint is equally biased. Just go on youtube and you'll find a host of tacticool retards showing off their new piece with fingers on the trigger, pointing it at themselves, et cetera. I've seen cops with appallingly bad drills. Hell, there's even that famous video of the cop doing a gun safety demonstration shooting himself. My point is, there's apparently 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. That equates to what, a very, very conservative 27,000,000 people who own guns? If even a conservative one in 10,000 of said people is a dangerous idiot, or even just not equipped to deal with the stress of, oh, I dunno, THE END OF THE WORLD AND COMPLETE SOCIAL COLLAPSE, then you've still got 270,000+ instances of manslaughter. -Phalanx

::::To add to what Phalanx has to say, we'd also have to worry about less than honest people like the Governor and his band of misfits, Dave and Tony's group of bandit rapists, and possibly even rogue military and police elements. The living can be just as dangerous, if not more so than, the dead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:58, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::::Also God help your soul if you run into a group like The Hunters from the comics.....[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::::::Yeah, precisely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:20, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::All I know is I really enjoyed WWZ and could care less about Max Brooks politics. Same goes for saving private Ryan and the Director of that movie. Can't understand how someone can trash a book they haven't read. What's next? Trashing an AK-47 after never having ever fired one because it was made in a communist country? So silly.
::::::::Well, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Anyway, I'm glad the OP brought this up, because I always wondered what a USN DDG out at sea would have done in this situation, or a bunch of SEALs at Coronado or Little Creek, VA, in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:29, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== Guns in S03 E06 ==

One gun looks like a Walther P38.

Neil's gun (picked up by Merle after he kills him) looks like a Walther P9.

The other guy in Merle's party appears to have a Glock of some sort but isn't clear enough to be sure...90% certain of it though. Will upload screenshots later maybe.

Finally figured it out:

[[File:P38TWD.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

[[File:P9Merle.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Whatever this is, it isn't a Glock. The slide's way too round, and the trigger & guard are not the Glock style. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 07:41, 24 February 2013 (EST)
:It's ID'd on the main page, its a Walther P99. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Finally! Blanks! ==

In the episode "Made To Suffer"(This episode was F#$KING awesome) it appeared that many of the guns were shooting and cycling blanks. The first and most obvious one was the 870 used by Shupert, it looked like both Daryl's AKMS and Rick's M4A1 were cycling blanks at times, Maggie's P99 seemed to shoot blanks in one or two scenes, and many other random guns during the shootout in Woodbury.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:13, 3 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not so sure they were actually cycling blanks all the time. The M4 looked like it was CGI muzzle flashes, there was a close shot of Daryl's AKMS that was cycling blanks but the wider shots looked more like CGI muzzle flashes. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:40, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:I agree totally. They are indefinably not using blanks in all the shots, though I could have sworn seeing Rick's M4 shooting blanks in scene or two, but most definitely not the whole shootout. and you cannot say that the 870 used by Shupert wasn't shooting blanks, I could even see flames coming out of the ejection port when he racked the action.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (EST)

:I just saw a video about the making of this episode and it has a lot of talk about the guns in the episode. The link is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9oA6PYyYc --[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:15, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== More rifles ==

Episode 8, saw a CX4 Storm and a 20 inch AR-15 series rifle with either a tan handguard or tape on it and what looked to be a cali style grip, either that or the actor was holding it strangely. Both in the background, but I'm positive it's an AR-15, but the CX4 could possibly be a dressed up Hi-Point. There were also 1 or 2 AK variants with wooden furniture, possibly Norincos, didn't see if the FSP was hooded or not (possibly a PolyTech), an AR-15 carbine with a rail system and a SOCOM stock as well as a full sized Uzi,a suppressed micro Uzi and what appears to be a Remington 870 with wooden furniture and several MP5Ks. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 16:50, 3 December 2012 (EST)

*Minor Spoiler Alert* In the promo for the second half of season 3, the Governor (David Morrissey) can be seen firing what looks like a Steyr AUG (one handed no less). Renegadefunk44 20:41 December 3 2012 (EDT)
:That was definitely a Steyr AUG he was shooting, looked like an A1 model with the built in scope. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:42, 4 December 2012 (EST)
I think Daryl's gun might actually be a Type 56 this episode. If nothing else it is definitely a different gun to te previous AKMS as it has a different rail system. Also in some shots you can see that it has the wide front sight, and a couple of times it looked like it could have been hooded to me, but can't find a totally clear shot to confirm. When was the background possibly Cali AR-15, I can't find it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 4 December 2012 (EST)

It was in the background of the Governor's speech at the end, around the same time the CX4 appeared. I think it's the same AKMS though, it looks like the same WASR, but could maybe be a Type 56 with a Tapco RIS [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 12:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:I am fairly sure it is a different gun to the WASR as it has the magazine well dimples and a rear sight rail. Also, there are either two different similar looking guns used in this episode or they changed the muzzle device as in some shots it is an AKM slant compensator, and in others it has a straight cylindrical (and it isn't that the cylindrical one is a BFA, as the slant one is seen in blank firing shots. The cylindrical muzzle can be seen when Glenn is handed the AKM (which I think is an editing mistake, as Daryl arrives and is reloading the AKM, next shot Glenn has it, then Daryl has it back before handing it to Glenn before he throws the grenade). Also, I think the RIS matches [http://www.gamepod.com/ak47-full-ris-p-174.html this] airsoft one (don't know if this is based on a real accessory or is airsoft only). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Pump action sound effect on double barrel shotgun ==
In episode seven, when the hermit aims his break open shotgun at Rick, it sounded like the generic sound effect of a pump action was used, despite not being a pump action.
[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 0:21 4 December 2012 (EST)
:It is possible. The post-production guys may not have known much about firearms and could have added that SFX in. Same thing happened in the 2005 Christian Bale film ''[[Harsh Times]]'', where a pump-racking SFX was added to an [[Armsel Srtiker]]. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:27, 18 February 2013 (EST)

==Shane's Shotgun==
Anybody catch what type of shotgun the resident of Woodbury mistaken for Shane was carrying? --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 13:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Judging by the ones earlier, I think it was an 870 [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 17:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Spoilers in BDA Picture ==

Is the shot of Carl's ([[Chandler Riggs]]) BDA in "Killer Within" (S3EO4) really necessary, It reveals a pretty big and sad spoiler to the episode. Thanks to whoever blurred out the picture, I really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== The Return of Bernthal (Shane) ==

In "Made to Suffer" rick has a hallucination that ''Shane'' ([[Jon Bernthal]]) is walking towards him during the Woodburry shootout. He is armed with some pump action shotgun. the scene is rather dark but it looks like it might be an 870 with synthetic furniture. I don't know how to screencap otherwise I would add this, but if someone else could I would really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Not sure about what kind of rifle this is. Colt 933? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:The barrel is too short to be a 933. I would say a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]], or a civilian copy. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I agree, it is close to the below weapon except without the vertical grip:[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]They both have crane stocks and LMT rear sights, but the show gun has the sight mounted backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== FN FAL? ==
'''WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.'''
When the prison got attacked at the end of the latest episode, I'm pretty sure I saw one of the attackers firing off an FN FAL with an ELCAN sight. Could somebody upload a pic of it, and correct me if I'm wrong? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:22, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:Definitely an FAL.

==Mexican guy's revolver==
What revolver was the mexican guy on the bridge using? It looked like merele had an old model 10 or M&P

:The revolver on the bridge appeared to be some type of Webley. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:49, 18 February 2013 (EST)
::Judging by the grip it must be a Webley "WG" Army Model but i just guessing here. --[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (CST)

Merle had a Colt, maybe a Police Positive or Official Police [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (EST)

== Haley's gun ==

I just watched episode 8 to 9 again and discovered the Haley was using a suppressed mini Uzi can anybody get pictures of it. [[User:Balin21|User:Balin21]]

== Mossberg 590 (Shane's) Season 3 ==

In the first 2 season's Shane's Mossberg 590 has Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's NRS stock on it. From the screen caps already up for season 3, its changed to the Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's Recoil Suppression version. You can tell by the fact that the piece that bolts into the back of the shotgun is shorter. Allowing for the body of the shotgun to recoil back. The NRS model... Well the older Gen 1 version, the piece that bolts to the shotgun continues back to where the adjustable stock begins.

== The Governor's AUG ==

When the Governor's men attack the prison, The Governor himself is seen practically SPRAYING down the area with some type of Steyr-AUG variant, having relative accuracy with that and his Beretta despite the distance and having only one eye.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:My problem with the show is that they constantly are spraying bullets when they know for a fact that ammo is hard to come by. Episode one, the guy sprayed his MP5K and most likely wasted 6 rounds before getting that head shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 19 February 2013 (EST)
::I saw the logistical fail with that, as well. Plus, wouldn't having only one eye, which is a relatively new injury for the Gov to have, screw up your depth perception quite a bit, let alone make you UNABLE to land a headshot with a 9mm handgun one-handed? I love this show but the firearms logistics within it are beginning to wear me down. -[[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:::I'm relatively curious as to where he got the AUG from. Unlike the M4s or AKs in the show (which are military issue for the former, thus incredibly common and very popular civilian weapons for the latter), the AUG is not used by the US military (apart from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and AFAIK they use the full length 20 inch barrel model) and the variant he uses isn't the civilian A3 model which has a Picatinny rail in place of the scope. - [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]]
::::Where they got it I have no idea, I figured it was one of those rare NFA guns floating around out there. As to why the waste of ammunition? I figured it was for the pure purpose of psychological warfare, to let the Atlanta group know that even if they survive this skirmish they can still come back with greater numbers of people and munitions than they'll ever have. Afterall in a world where ammunition is no longer being produced and highly prized, just casually blowing through it without any regard for conservation would suggest they have a large, large supply of it and they have no problem flaunting that.

he took out a national guard convoy, hes got plenty of ammo. better questions why ricks wasting so much.
: Because Officer Friendly is a cop, and in real life ammo conservation and accuracy aren't their best traits. Look at national averages for accuracy and how many rounds they discharge at times. Rick's back to facing live targets again, not just shambling walkers.

== "I Ain’t A Judas" hires promos ==

I came across a few hires promo photos from this episode, and the gun carried by Maggie got my attention:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
To me this looks like it has a Springfield M1903A3 action (A3 because of the horizontal dovetail a the back which would normally hold the aperture sight), does anyone know if there is a sporting rifle that uses this action, or is this a sporterised M1903A3? Also, Merle uses some sort of AR-15 SBR:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0119.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:02, 21 February 2013 (EST)
:It's another Mk 18-type carbine, with Magpul folding BUIS (the front sight looks to be mounted backwards) and an AAC flash hider added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== Merle's Colt ==

I think, based on the size of the gun relative to Michael Rooker's hand, and the length of the cylinder, it's actually a Police Positive Special rather than an Official Police. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Remington 700 VLS ==

I changed the caliber on the picture of the VLS from .270 to .308 - I don't know for sure that it's a .308 but its definitely NOT a .270. Remington only makes the VLS in short action, which can't accomodate a .270. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Huge production error ==

Not really weapons related but anyone think it's a bit odd that they have a 2013 Hyundai, yet the apocalypse started in 2010? Is South Korea unaware people are eating each other and just shipping car around the world?

It's most likely an advertisement, the show's popular so Hyundai is probably a sponsor or something, and they decided to put in their newest car... But aren't we talking about guns here? This should go into 'bloopers' section on some movie website :) And You forgot to sign Your post (four ~) --[[User:Alisha161Fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161Fishy|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2013 (EST)

It's never stated in the show what year it is (unless I've missed something), so the car's presence is plausible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:05, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It's a 2013 Hyundai Tucson. I drive the same one haha. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 20:28, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Well about cars and guns, I'll be a little forgiving on new toys mostly because the actual YEAR the show takes place in is never told to us. We can assume it is "present day" but it could be a couple years from now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2013 (EST)

:Let's wait and see if SCARs, ACRs, Masadas, and XCRs start appearing at some point in the show, ''then'' we'll see how forgiving you are. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:28, 5 March 2013 (EST)

== Machine gun ==

I cant figure out what type of machine gun is on the wall to woodbury it looks like a Browning 1919 can anyone confirm it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 09:01, 25 February 2013 (EST)
: It could be but the rifle used by one of the guards looks to be a tactical'd SKS.
::It was definitely a 1919. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:15, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::An M1919 definitely but, and I watched the episode a few times to make sure, it seems the weapon is lying on it's side as the gunner appears to be holding the grip "gangsta" style. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::::No, it's right-side up I'm pretty sure the "grip" on the side he is holding is actually the charging handle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 09:56, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. ==

Okay walking dead is almost over won't spoil it rick comes to a town with Michonne Carl finds a huge armory and something tells me that that we're gonna have some work ahead of us identifying it all i saw several Ar-15 variants an AK-47 variant several shotguns and what i believe to be a crate with an mk2 grenade on top a little bit convent that they need all this stuff I'll admit but still ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:01, 3 March 2013 (EST)

I saw the Remington 700 from the first season, Several AR-15 type rifles, I believe a .50 Rifle without a scope or iron sights, Another Crossbow (I was thinking a Ghost 400 due to the all black coloring) and various wood-stocked hunting guns. Morgan used an AR with an optic I couldn't identify. --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:35, 3 March 2013 (EST).
: Yeah i think the gun Morgan used on the rooftops and the ground i believe that's the one your talking about was a Colt 933 or a compact Ar like it i don't thinks its the mk18 we saw Merle use however oh and what i think is a Remington 700 PSS or SPS in back of Rick when he asked Michonne you think he crazy --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)
I saw an SKS in the racks (can tell by the front sight and bayonet mount) in a "Dragunov" style polymer stock with an AK magazine (probably the same gun the Woodbury Guard has). There is also a Steyr SSG 69 which is quite prominent, sitting on its bipod under the "Duane Turned" graffiti. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:34, 4 March 2013 (EST)

The Law Enforcement Carbine and M4A1/M203 from "Walk With Me" made a reappearance in Morgan's armory, too. I saw Rick pick up the former (it had the same fabric wrapping on the handguard as the one pictured in the Governor's hands) and the latter could be seen laying on its side next to Morgan while he was tied up. Prop-wise, all of these guns probably ''are'' the same ones used by the Woodbury Army. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 4 March 2013 (EST) p
:: Just saw a pic of the armory several AK-47 wooden furniture variants what i believe a MP5K on a table ( like spartan said these weapons are probably the same as the woodbury armory the mp5k prob being the one Martinez was using an a box of mk2 or i should say A CRATE fulled with mk2 grenades and what be appears to be a lee enfield but i can only see the underbelly of the weapon so not positive. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 11:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)
The black crossbow appears to be a Stryker Strykezone 380 or possibly the 350. [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2013 (EST)
: In the sneak peek for the next episode of walking dead on AMCTV Daryl is seen using a new crossbow identifiable by the accessory rail ( which Daryl didn't mount his Hortons red dot on ) the more shorter stock and a larger hump on the stock I'll link it because honestly i don't know i thing about crossbows but however i do think your right that is a strykezone 350 or 380 except the stock is more collapsed in but also has a woodland scheme to it now the pics i see on google of both they both have either one or the other and I'm not sure so here's the link a good shot is at around )0:37 where it closes up on the stock http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-313-the-walking-dead-arrow-on-the-doorpost . --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 16:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)

I saw in the grenade bin that looked like german stick grenades and i saw a couple of heckler & koch MP5's by the grenades.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 18:28, 4 March 2013 (EST)

If you look behind the lid of the grenade crate the front end of a Famas is just visible. The flash hider looks big, but that is because the grenade support is slid all the way forward. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:42, 5 March 2013 (EST)

I got a very I am Legend vibe from this episode. Also, I bet the writer wrote them finding this cache as a reason for why they have so much ammo to burn. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:57, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Also with that many grenades and other explosives, I'd start getting creative in killing the undead [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:59, 5 March 2013 (EST)

At one scene where michonne has the crossbow on her back im sure you could just make out STRYKER on the quiver [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 12:52, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-04T21:17:16Z

Bahlemar: /* New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. */

==Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"==
'''The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":'''

===M16===
B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16A1]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:TWDWebCS02 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]) is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm. ]]

===AKMS===
An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.
[[File:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.]]

==Additional Screenshots==
[[Image:Walking dead ak.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
When did Carol get that gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:M4_walking_dead_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2]]
Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk: Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

:I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

:::I get annoyed when people refer to a C8 as an "M4A1", so welcome to the club. ;-) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

::::MT2008, isn't the WASR one of the only stamped variants that doesn't have the dimples though? Also I don't get the Franken-gun comment, as we are talking about the receiver here which is what defines the gun. If an AKM has a hooded front sight we call it a Type 56 and the possibility that it is a Franken-gun doesn't come into it, and this is a hell of a lot easier to change than swapping out a whole new receiver so I don't understand why you are singling out WASR-10s. Also, just to add that if you look at the image at the top of this section you will see that there are markings on the right side of the receiver below the pair of rivets at the front, which do not appear on the vast majority of the AK photos on this site. However they are present on all of the WASR photos, including the WASR-10 underfolder. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== Questionable Production Values ==

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...
:The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
::The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.
:::Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Indeed, TV shows tend to have low budgets these days. I mean, the ARNG guys were flying around in a single-engine Huey, that should've been a dead giveaway. One of my pet peeves in TV and movies these days is that nearly every helicopter is a Huey; ''TV Tropes'' has an entire page dedicated to this phenomenon. At least they had CGI AH-64Ds, although they were dropping napalm bombs; I don't think Apache Longbows can drop UGBs. Not to mention that most of the second season took place on a farm, and the third season mostly takes place in a prison, although it was much, much better than the poor second season. If I were the production crew, I would've had a CGI helo. A CGI UH-60 would've been much better than a real-live, outdated UH-1. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, the Huey used by the Georgia National Guard survivors could be justified as being salvaged from a reserve or storage depot or something along those lines since the show was going on a year since the outbreak (and last I checked, you can't actually ''ride'' in a CGI Black Hawk like they were doing...). The one encountered by Rick outside the hospital in the pilot episode, however, is out of place since it was left over from before the military fell apart. Now the real reason why they're using Hueys is because, AFAIK, there are no S-70s/UH-60s in civilian hands (the Black Hawks in ''Black Hawk Down'' were ''actual'' US Army) for productions to rent, otherwise we'd probably see more of them onscreen. Same reason for the use of decommissioned British tanks like the Chieftain to stand in for the M1 Abrams. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:29, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== WASR Rails ==
I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is [http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-103 this model] made by UTG. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

== CGI muzzle flashes? ==

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM
:Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== several soldiers had M4A1's ==
Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard.

::The Woodbury guys got the M4A1s from the ARNG guys they killed, however, where did Rick's group get them? The prison armory? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:::They had at least one prior to taking the prison because Hershel used it during said action. They found at least one inside the prison armory. And the scoped M4 used by Maggie was captured during Rick's second attack on Woodbury, I believe, because it looks like the same one Merle briefly used when Andrea and Michonne first arrived in Woodbury. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

==The Governor's Pistol==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-david-morrissey-governor-303.jpg here] and [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-governor-episode-303.jpg here] that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: this pistol doesnt look stainless it looks more like a nickel plated beretta 92SB because if you look closely in the scene where the governor holds his pistol to maggies head it glisens in the light and shines unlike the dullness of a stainless inox also the trigger guard looks rounded --[[User:Policerlhpd |Policerlhpd ]] ([[User talk:Policerlhpd |talk]]) 03:48, 06 December 2012 (EDT)

It's not a Beretta 92SB its a beretta inox the latest episode confirms it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:20, 25 February 2013 (EST)

== The Usage of Silencers in Season 3 ==

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects (flashlight tubes, aluminum baseball bats, etc.) as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, such a project can still be a challenge. It all depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it must be subsonic. There will be a loud sonic "crack" otherwise every time the gun is discharged. The 9mm cartridge is typically ''not'' subsonic. Most gun shops that I have been to typically do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite all this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers that seem to work quite well. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols actually, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically ''not'' subsonic, and subsonic variants of this ammunition are also not widely available. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition since the onset of the zombie apocalypse. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:You are making a lot of assumptions and claims for a show that can't even hire an armorer or get blank fire guns. Firstly, improvised suppressors are not all that difficult to manufacture. It can be done with freeze plugs and steel pipe (though it may not last long). The problem is getting your weapon to function and cycle properly with one. Secondly, the vast majority of 147gr 9x19 loads are subsonic, you do not need special subsonic 9mm to run through a can, any 147gr ball or JHP will be fine. Subsonic ammo is not essential, and in some cases, not even recommended, as it won't reliably cycle the action in some gas operated weapons like an AR. A suppressor is just as important, if not more, for saving your own hearing than preventing others from hearing. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] ([[User talk:The Kaptain|talk]]) 15:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::If improvised silencers were really ''that'' easy to make for just any gun, and assuming that they all worked really well too, then just about every hardcore thug, gangbanger, street-level drug dealer, and bad guy in real life would have at least one or two silenced guns, but this is simply not reality. None of the LEO's whom I know in real life and have spoken with on this subject have been able to tell me about themselves encountering much of any improvised silencers in the possession of criminal suspects during their careers. For some guns out there, yes, it is rather easy to make a decent silencer for them on the fly out of various common objects and without having access to all that many tools. One such gun is the .22LR [[Ruger_Mk_I_/_Mk_II_/_Mk_III_Pistol|Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol]] series. I have seen silencers made for that gun from drink bottles, PVC pipe, tractor mufflers, oil filters, and even more odd things than I could even list here. In the post-apocalyptic world of TWD however, I submit that it would actually be quite tricky to make an improvised silencer on the fly that also actually works well for a [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] or a [[Beretta_92FS#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] like we have seen on this show's Season 3. Such a silencer would have to be attached firmly enough to the muzzle without flying downrange after the first or second shot, plus, the internal baffles, wipes, or whatever the design utilizes would also have to remain in alignment with the bore from one shot to the next. To accomplish this, it would most likely require swapping out the factory barrel with an extended barrel which also has external threading. I have not yet seen any depictions or explanation on this show about where and how Rick's group would have been able to make or acquire threaded barrels for any gun. For me, it would have been much more realistic if TWD had featured a scene, or at least made a mention, of Rick's group raiding a Class III licensed gun dealer's shop (There are quite a few such gun shops in Georgia, by the way, which is where TWD is supposedly taking place.) that had some professionally silenced guns, made with machine tools, which had been locked away in some gun safes that had not been breached yet by previous scavengers.

::Maybe it's just me, but most of the 9mm Luger ammunition that I have ever seen on the store shelves out there (Walmart, Kmart, smaller gun shops, etc.) is either 115 gr or 124 gr, and both of these are typically hypersonic, since their muzzle velocities are either slightly or greatly above the sound barrier of 1129 fps. What I usually do not see much of on most store shelves are those 9mm Luger 147 gr rounds, which are typically subsonic. (It seems that the heavier bullet weight is what makes the round subsonic by fault rather than design.)
:::I'll second this. I live in Texas(another very pro-gun state), and I shoot as well. At commercial retailer type stores like Walmart, you won't find sub-sonic 9mm ammo. Even a lot of gun retailers/shooting ranges don't carry it. That said, it's entertainment, for better or worse, you can't expect a ton of realism. Just like you may have to accept that some "elite special forces" guy is going to rush into a combat zone dual wielding a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagle or something in action movies, you just have to accept that the characters here have "silencers" that make guns really really quiet, and not dwell on the lack of realism in either situation. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::I have yet to ever hear anybody in the legitimate business of making or selling ATF-registered silencers recommend against using subsonic ammunition with any silencer. If an AR-type rifle is configured as a sniping system with a bipod, telescopic sights, and a silencer, then it would not really be such a big deal to me if the subsonic ammunition being fired through it failed to cycle the action. The shooter would just have to cycle the action manually after each shot. Besides, "One shot, one kill" is the sniper's motto anyway, right?

::Since the whole point of using a silencer in a zombie-apocalyptic world as depicted in TWD would be the desire to quietly kill a zombie without attracting any other zombies in the far-away distance to your location, to use anything other than subsonic ammunition would be somewhat self-defeating as far as I am concerned. The sonic "crack" that hypersonic ammunition makes when fired through even the best of silencer designs can actually be quite conspicuous downrange. I got to hear the difference for myself between subsonic and hypersonic ammunition being fired through various silencers during a Class III weapons demonstration at a target range once. Being that a 62 gr, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 round has a muzzle velocity of over 3,000 fps, the sonic "crack" made by this round after passing through any silencer simply has to be quite considerable. So, when I saw Merle firing a silenced M4 in S3E03 and heard how relatively quiet the discharge sounded, I could not help but wonder how unrealistic that seemed if we are to also assume that this M4 was also loaded with standard, military-issue, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 ammunition. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (EST)

:::You are forgetting one thing. This is a TV show. They don't need to use actual practical silencers on the guns, they can stick whatever they want onto the barrel and sound FX takes care of the rest. You say that we are to assume that they are using subsonic ammo in their handguns. In reality, however, we don't. If you have seen any movie featuring suppressors, most are just cylinders slipped onto the barrels, not real suppressors. We aren't supposed to assume they are using subsonic ammo, we are supposed to assume that the director wants this pistol to be suppressed, so it will sound suppressed under any circumstances. You are reading way too much into something that has been happening in movies and TV for years. Also, it would have been a huge takeaway from the storytelling, if the characters just all of a sudden went into extensive detail into how they affectively suppressed their weapons and it is much easier just to show the audience, "This is a suppressor, it makes the gun quieter," and not adding on, "But it will only be silenced under extensive conditions." --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yes, of course TWD is a TV show, but this is IMFDb, where we, the contributors to IMFDb, work to identify the firearms and other weapons used in live action TV show dramas and other genres of popular entertainment. IMFDb contributors also discuss gun-related issues pertinent to the depiction of guns in popular entertainment. Being that many of us IMFDb contributors are rather knowledgeable about guns in real life, sometimes one or more of us will take issue with the depiction of guns in popular entertainment on technical grounds that others will likely not even notice or care about. For me in this case, it was the usage of improvised silencers in Season 3 of TWD. If TWD had featured Rick, Carl, and other characters all using improvised silencers made from common objects on firearms chambered in .22 LR, then I would not have taken an issue with this on technical grounds, because in real life, I know just how easy it is to make silencers such as these that will actually perform well shot after shot, and I know how readily available subsonic .22 LR ammunition is. (Almost every large and small business establishment that sells firearm ammunition now stocks it.) Even though silencers have been depicted inaccurately in popular entertainment for years, now that more Americans and other folks abroad legally own real silencers than ever before, and now that even more folks can go online to watch numerous videos which definitively demonstrate what silencers in real life are really like, I feel that the the makers of popular entertainment will be left with no choice but to rethink how they depict the capabilities of silencers in order to keep their audiences happy. Perhaps they already have - there used to be depictions of working silencers on revolvers in popular entertainment made prior to about 1980 or so. Being that it is nearly impossible to build silencers for revolvers that would be both effective and practical, except for the [[Nagant_M1895|Nagant M1895]] revolver, silencer-equipped revolvers are almost never seen in popular entertainment nowadays. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 07:41, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, I know this is IMFDB, I am pretty knowledgeable in firearms and that is why I use this site. I don't see many pages picking apart silencer inaccuracies, because almost all movies and TV shows depict silencers are small tubes that can suppress anything. It is understood that Hollywood does this, therefore if you want to pick apart the inaccurate use of suppressors in every TV show and movie then you are going to need a few years. Or decades. Or lifespans. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Warships at sea, Cheyenne Mountain, Diego Garcia, etc. ==
Do the comics ever elaborate on these and other secure or hard-to-access locations? Land bases like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg getting swamped with sick and wounded civilians that subsequently turn into walkers and overrun them is one thing, but I can't see aircraft carriers in the middle of the world's oceans, a fortified nuclear bunker with severely restricted access, or an isolated island base like DG, having big walker problems. I could conceivably see the government falling back to any such location and continuing to function, even if just to form a floating military nation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)
we still don't know anything about this virus that has infected the entire planet. It does seem that everyone, even the living are infected because once killed the normal way, they turn into one of the zombies. Perhaps more restricted places are secured. We still don't know how the virus was spread but if it is airborne, than no where is safe for long. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:51, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:: Everything exalilbur said plus there was never much of any one who confirmed any hope that hinted there was any goverment left on an island or underground it makes sense they ( the goverment ) wouldn't want it to be known they'd prob wanna keep it a secret wait until hopefully the zombies roamed to well they were immobile except the head or till they starved hopefully ( there was actually one hope there was a walker that rotted to the ground and was immobalized cept the head it was hinted this could happen to other walkers ) then they would try to rebuild wat twas lost i saw the walking dead wikia that in the twd world theres 1 human for every 5000 zombies maybe americas combined with the rest of the world and then average out because wit all our guns I'd think * knock on wood * there'd be more survivors with all ours guns gun stores and the guns that were the militarys ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:: I've read other zombie stories where they talk about warships at sea during a similar zombie outbreak. In the Day by day armeggeddon series by J L Bourne, the navy had a carrier group that was steaming off the coast launching raids on coastal facilities for supplies and rescue ops. But he also wrote about how an outbreak on a ship could quickly spread out of control due to the confined space. Also had a sub that had been undersea during the outbreak and remained submerged for as long as they could. A crew member died and stayed dead until the sub had to surface. And Max Brooks World War Z had the US gov't relocated to hawaii after the military cleared the islands [[user:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I really believe that the climbing number of gun owners in America and how much ammo is bought at the civlian level might work towards making a zombie outbreak impossible or at least controllable. None of the zombie books including Brooks really touch on the American gun culture [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:I have watched some episodes of a reality show which has followed new episodes of TWD on the AMC Sunday night lineup. "Comic Book Men" is the show which I am referring to here. (No, I am not a fan of this show. How this show got renewed for a second season is beyond me, but apparently somebody at AMC decided to renew it.) I believe it was during an episode of this reality show during its first season when Ming, one of the comic book store employees, made a personal revelation about his greatest fear in life being the zombie apocalypse. Walt, another comic book store employee, then gave Ming a look of incredulity and said to him something like, "Dude, don't you realize how many guns there are in this country?" What Walt said there was one of the few things that I have ever liked about this "Comic Book Men" reality show. "Comic Book Men" is a reality show which takes place in the vehemently anti-gun state of New Jersey, where less than 10% of the population shoots and/or owns guns legally, and I would not at all be surprised if none of the stars of this reality show have ever actually owned or fired a real gun in their entire lives. Despite this, at least one of this show's stars, Walt, seemed to understand that a considerable gun culture truly does exist in most states outside of New Jersey. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

::As for Max Brooks, the author of several "zombie survival" books, the guy's Wikipedia page says that he was born in New York City and raised by Hollywood director Mel Brooks and Hollywood actress Anne Bancroft. Being raised in the insanely anti-gun environment of New York City by parents with Hollywood careers and presumably left-leaning and anti-gun viewpoints, and then growing up to become a "Saturday Night Live" comedy writer based in New York City, would lead me to believe that Max Brooks never got to learn much of anything about real-life gun ownership and marksmanship at any point in his life whatsoever. Assuming that this is the case, this would then also explain why Max Brooks, along with other zombie-genre authors and writers with similar non-gun-owning life histories to his own, all seem to have failed to account for the prevalence of the American gun culture in real life when they crafted their fictional tales of zombie outbreaks somehow being able to entirely overwhelm America, and the rest of this world even, to the point where a complete societal breakdown becomes the end result. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::While I think Max Brooks' books are ridiculous in almost every aspect, I have some trouble with you're whole New York theory. I grew up and still live in Massachusetts, a very anti-gun state. My mother was and still is very anti-gun. That didn't stop me from getting into gun culture and learning a lot about it. I have also been shooting at the Smith & Wesson range many times, although it has been closed for quite some time. That being said, I don't think you should jump to conclusions simply because of where someone was born and raised. Not all of a parent's beliefs are passed down to their children. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (EST)

I haven't read the Zombie Survival Guide, but I have read World War Z (which is fucking awesome). One of the survivors makes a point that panicked gun owners shooting other uninfected people actually caused more casualties during the opening stages of the infection ("The Great Panic" as it's called in the book) than the living dead. I'd say it's a fair point, which actually makes the "more guns for all" theory work against America in that context. - Phalanx

:Max Brooks is nothing but just another "limousine liberal" gun-hating libtard elitist who grew up in New York City and Hollywood with the figurative silver spoon in his mouth. I did my research on Max Brooks and I was not impressed. I read his Zombie Survival Guide too. I surely will never buy his World War Z book though. Eff him and that book, seriously. Max Brooks dissed the original M-16 rifle in his Zombie Survival Guide, but that was probably because he had read about the feed problems which the US Army had had with the M-16 rifle in Vietnam some 45+ years ago. If Max Brooks had ever tried joining the US Military sometime around 1990 or so when he had turned 18, then he would have known that the successor of the the original M-16 rifle from the Vietnam era was by then a markedly much better rifle, because he would likely have been issued the M-16A2 rifle at that time. Instead, Max Brooks went to a small liberal arts college in California that kicked the ROTC program off of campus in 1991, and has had outright Communists and radical leftists as commencement speakers all throughout the 2000's in addition to himself. For all we know, Max Brooks was probably all in favor of all of these policy decision at his Alma mater. It only figures that a typical gun-hater libtard like Max Brooks would put an anti-gun-owner jab into his World War Z book. Max Brooks also dissed TWD TV show simply because his friend was fired from it. To reiterate, eff Max Brooks and his books. I will also say the same about whatever movies he is associated with in the future. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Guys, there's a forum for this sort of thing, can we knock it off here? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:23, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:You mean there is a forum for discussion on how clueless Max Brooks is about firearms in general, even though he professes to know which firearms are the best for surviving a zombie apocalypse? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 18:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::What part of "knock it off" is complicated? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::Boy, that escalated quickly. I make a chance remark about a novel and you go on a paranoid rant about "radical leftists" and "communists". Never mind that the reference in the book is from a chapter in which the US Military fights a pitched battle with the zombies and Brooks is broadly correct (if somewhat simplistic, but it's a zombie novel, not "Guns and Ammo") about a dozen weapons systems used by the US Armed Forces. Let's slam him for being, according to you, a "libtard" (because he went to a liberal college, shock horror. As opposed to all of those conservative colleges out there, oh wait). Never mind that the book is stuffed to the gills with soldiers behaving in exemplary ways and basically flat out says "the USA won in Afghanistan and Iraq but the public won't acknowledge it".
And frankly, while I'm not saying that every gun owner is a paranoid recluse who thinks the government is reading his thoughts and is ready to greet a Jehova's Witness knocking unexpectedly at his door with a blast of full-auto, to go the opposite and say that every gun owner is a saintly god of trigger discipline and restraint is equally biased. Just go on youtube and you'll find a host of tacticool retards showing off their new piece with fingers on the trigger, pointing it at themselves, et cetera. I've seen cops with appallingly bad drills. Hell, there's even that famous video of the cop doing a gun safety demonstration shooting himself. My point is, there's apparently 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. That equates to what, a very, very conservative 27,000,000 people who own guns? If even a conservative one in 10,000 of said people is a dangerous idiot, or even just not equipped to deal with the stress of, oh, I dunno, THE END OF THE WORLD AND COMPLETE SOCIAL COLLAPSE, then you've still got 270,000+ instances of manslaughter. -Phalanx

::::To add to what Phalanx has to say, we'd also have to worry about less than honest people like the Governor and his band of misfits, Dave and Tony's group of bandit rapists, and possibly even rogue military and police elements. The living can be just as dangerous, if not more so than, the dead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:58, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::::Also God help your soul if you run into a group like The Hunters from the comics.....[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::::::Yeah, precisely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:20, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::All I know is I really enjoyed WWZ and could care less about Max Brooks politics. Same goes for saving private Ryan and the Director of that movie. Can't understand how someone can trash a book they haven't read. What's next? Trashing an AK-47 after never having ever fired one because it was made in a communist country? So silly.
::::::::Well, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Anyway, I'm glad the OP brought this up, because I always wondered what a USN DDG out at sea would have done in this situation, or a bunch of SEALs at Coronado or Little Creek, VA, in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:29, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== Guns in S03 E06 ==

One gun looks like a Walther P38.

Neil's gun (picked up by Merle after he kills him) looks like a Walther P9.

The other guy in Merle's party appears to have a Glock of some sort but isn't clear enough to be sure...90% certain of it though. Will upload screenshots later maybe.

Finally figured it out:

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[[File:P9Merle.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Whatever this is, it isn't a Glock. The slide's way too round, and the trigger & guard are not the Glock style. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 07:41, 24 February 2013 (EST)
:It's ID'd on the main page, its a Walther P99. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Finally! Blanks! ==

In the episode "Made To Suffer"(This episode was F#$KING awesome) it appeared that many of the guns were shooting and cycling blanks. The first and most obvious one was the 870 used by Shupert, it looked like both Daryl's AKMS and Rick's M4A1 were cycling blanks at times, Maggie's P99 seemed to shoot blanks in one or two scenes, and many other random guns during the shootout in Woodbury.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:13, 3 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not so sure they were actually cycling blanks all the time. The M4 looked like it was CGI muzzle flashes, there was a close shot of Daryl's AKMS that was cycling blanks but the wider shots looked more like CGI muzzle flashes. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:40, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:I agree totally. They are indefinably not using blanks in all the shots, though I could have sworn seeing Rick's M4 shooting blanks in scene or two, but most definitely not the whole shootout. and you cannot say that the 870 used by Shupert wasn't shooting blanks, I could even see flames coming out of the ejection port when he racked the action.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (EST)

:I just saw a video about the making of this episode and it has a lot of talk about the guns in the episode. The link is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9oA6PYyYc --[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:15, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== More rifles ==

Episode 8, saw a CX4 Storm and a 20 inch AR-15 series rifle with either a tan handguard or tape on it and what looked to be a cali style grip, either that or the actor was holding it strangely. Both in the background, but I'm positive it's an AR-15, but the CX4 could possibly be a dressed up Hi-Point. There were also 1 or 2 AK variants with wooden furniture, possibly Norincos, didn't see if the FSP was hooded or not (possibly a PolyTech), an AR-15 carbine with a rail system and a SOCOM stock as well as a full sized Uzi,a suppressed micro Uzi and what appears to be a Remington 870 with wooden furniture and several MP5Ks. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 16:50, 3 December 2012 (EST)

*Minor Spoiler Alert* In the promo for the second half of season 3, the Governor (David Morrissey) can be seen firing what looks like a Steyr AUG (one handed no less). Renegadefunk44 20:41 December 3 2012 (EDT)
:That was definitely a Steyr AUG he was shooting, looked like an A1 model with the built in scope. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:42, 4 December 2012 (EST)
I think Daryl's gun might actually be a Type 56 this episode. If nothing else it is definitely a different gun to te previous AKMS as it has a different rail system. Also in some shots you can see that it has the wide front sight, and a couple of times it looked like it could have been hooded to me, but can't find a totally clear shot to confirm. When was the background possibly Cali AR-15, I can't find it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 4 December 2012 (EST)

It was in the background of the Governor's speech at the end, around the same time the CX4 appeared. I think it's the same AKMS though, it looks like the same WASR, but could maybe be a Type 56 with a Tapco RIS [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 12:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:I am fairly sure it is a different gun to the WASR as it has the magazine well dimples and a rear sight rail. Also, there are either two different similar looking guns used in this episode or they changed the muzzle device as in some shots it is an AKM slant compensator, and in others it has a straight cylindrical (and it isn't that the cylindrical one is a BFA, as the slant one is seen in blank firing shots. The cylindrical muzzle can be seen when Glenn is handed the AKM (which I think is an editing mistake, as Daryl arrives and is reloading the AKM, next shot Glenn has it, then Daryl has it back before handing it to Glenn before he throws the grenade). Also, I think the RIS matches [http://www.gamepod.com/ak47-full-ris-p-174.html this] airsoft one (don't know if this is based on a real accessory or is airsoft only). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Pump action sound effect on double barrel shotgun ==
In episode seven, when the hermit aims his break open shotgun at Rick, it sounded like the generic sound effect of a pump action was used, despite not being a pump action.
[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 0:21 4 December 2012 (EST)
:It is possible. The post-production guys may not have known much about firearms and could have added that SFX in. Same thing happened in the 2005 Christian Bale film ''[[Harsh Times]]'', where a pump-racking SFX was added to an [[Armsel Srtiker]]. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:27, 18 February 2013 (EST)

==Shane's Shotgun==
Anybody catch what type of shotgun the resident of Woodbury mistaken for Shane was carrying? --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 13:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Judging by the ones earlier, I think it was an 870 [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 17:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Spoilers in BDA Picture ==

Is the shot of Carl's ([[Chandler Riggs]]) BDA in "Killer Within" (S3EO4) really necessary, It reveals a pretty big and sad spoiler to the episode. Thanks to whoever blurred out the picture, I really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== The Return of Bernthal (Shane) ==

In "Made to Suffer" rick has a hallucination that ''Shane'' ([[Jon Bernthal]]) is walking towards him during the Woodburry shootout. He is armed with some pump action shotgun. the scene is rather dark but it looks like it might be an 870 with synthetic furniture. I don't know how to screencap otherwise I would add this, but if someone else could I would really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Not sure about what kind of rifle this is. Colt 933? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:The barrel is too short to be a 933. I would say a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]], or a civilian copy. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I agree, it is close to the below weapon except without the vertical grip:[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]They both have crane stocks and LMT rear sights, but the show gun has the sight mounted backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== FN FAL? ==
'''WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.'''
When the prison got attacked at the end of the latest episode, I'm pretty sure I saw one of the attackers firing off an FN FAL with an ELCAN sight. Could somebody upload a pic of it, and correct me if I'm wrong? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:22, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:Definitely an FAL.

==Mexican guy's revolver==
What revolver was the mexican guy on the bridge using? It looked like merele had an old model 10 or M&P

:The revolver on the bridge appeared to be some type of Webley. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:49, 18 February 2013 (EST)
::Judging by the grip it must be a Webley "WG" Army Model but i just guessing here. --[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (CST)

Merle had a Colt, maybe a Police Positive or Official Police [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (EST)

== Haley's gun ==

I just watched episode 8 to 9 again and discovered the Haley was using a suppressed mini Uzi can anybody get pictures of it. [[User:Balin21|User:Balin21]]

== Mossberg 590 (Shane's) Season 3 ==

In the first 2 season's Shane's Mossberg 590 has Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's NRS stock on it. From the screen caps already up for season 3, its changed to the Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's Recoil Suppression version. You can tell by the fact that the piece that bolts into the back of the shotgun is shorter. Allowing for the body of the shotgun to recoil back. The NRS model... Well the older Gen 1 version, the piece that bolts to the shotgun continues back to where the adjustable stock begins.

== The Governor's AUG ==

When the Governor's men attack the prison, The Governor himself is seen practically SPRAYING down the area with some type of Steyr-AUG variant, having relative accuracy with that and his Beretta despite the distance and having only one eye.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:My problem with the show is that they constantly are spraying bullets when they know for a fact that ammo is hard to come by. Episode one, the guy sprayed his MP5K and most likely wasted 6 rounds before getting that head shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 19 February 2013 (EST)
::I saw the logistical fail with that, as well. Plus, wouldn't having only one eye, which is a relatively new injury for the Gov to have, screw up your depth perception quite a bit, let alone make you UNABLE to land a headshot with a 9mm handgun one-handed? I love this show but the firearms logistics within it are beginning to wear me down. -[[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:::I'm relatively curious as to where he got the AUG from. Unlike the M4s or AKs in the show (which are military issue for the former, thus incredibly common and very popular civilian weapons for the latter), the AUG is not used by the US military (apart from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and AFAIK they use the full length 20 inch barrel model) and the variant he uses isn't the civilian A3 model which has a Picatinny rail in place of the scope. - [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]]
::::Where they got it I have no idea, I figured it was one of those rare NFA guns floating around out there. As to why the waste of ammunition? I figured it was for the pure purpose of psychological warfare, to let the Atlanta group know that even if they survive this skirmish they can still come back with greater numbers of people and munitions than they'll ever have. Afterall in a world where ammunition is no longer being produced and highly prized, just casually blowing through it without any regard for conservation would suggest they have a large, large supply of it and they have no problem flaunting that.

he took out a national guard convoy, hes got plenty of ammo. better questions why ricks wasting so much.
: Because Officer Friendly is a cop, and in real life ammo conservation and accuracy aren't their best traits. Look at national averages for accuracy and how many rounds they discharge at times. Rick's back to facing live targets again, not just shambling walkers.

== "I Ain’t A Judas" hires promos ==

I came across a few hires promo photos from this episode, and the gun carried by Maggie got my attention:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
To me this looks like it has a Springfield M1903A3 action (A3 because of the horizontal dovetail a the back which would normally hold the aperture sight), does anyone know if there is a sporting rifle that uses this action, or is this a sporterised M1903A3? Also, Merle uses some sort of AR-15 SBR:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0119.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:02, 21 February 2013 (EST)
:It's another Mk 18-type carbine, with Magpul folding BUIS (the front sight looks to be mounted backwards) and an AAC flash hider added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== Merle's Colt ==

I think, based on the size of the gun relative to Michael Rooker's hand, and the length of the cylinder, it's actually a Police Positive Special rather than an Official Police. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Remington 700 VLS ==

I changed the caliber on the picture of the VLS from .270 to .308 - I don't know for sure that it's a .308 but its definitely NOT a .270. Remington only makes the VLS in short action, which can't accomodate a .270. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Huge production error ==

Not really weapons related but anyone think it's a bit odd that they have a 2013 Hyundai, yet the apocalypse started in 2010? Is South Korea unaware people are eating each other and just shipping car around the world?

It's most likely an advertisement, the show's popular so Hyundai is probably a sponsor or something, and they decided to put in their newest car... But aren't we talking about guns here? This should go into 'bloopers' section on some movie website :) And You forgot to sign Your post (four ~) --[[User:Alisha161Fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161Fishy|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2013 (EST)

It's never stated in the show what year it is (unless I've missed something), so the car's presence is plausible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:05, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It's a 2013 Hyundai Tucson. I drive the same one haha. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 20:28, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Well about cars and guns, I'll be a little forgiving on new toys mostly because the actual YEAR the show takes place in is never told to us. We can assume it is "present day" but it could be a couple years from now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== Machine gun ==

I cant figure out what type of machine gun is on the wall to woodbury it looks like a Browning 1919 can anyone confirm it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 09:01, 25 February 2013 (EST)
: It could be but the rifle used by one of the guards looks to be a tactical'd SKS.
::It was definitely a 1919. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:15, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::An M1919 definitely but, and I watched the episode a few times to make sure, it seems the weapon is lying on it's side as the gunner appears to be holding the grip "gangsta" style. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::::No, it's right-side up I'm pretty sure the "grip" on the side he is holding is actually the charging handle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 09:56, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. ==

Okay walking dead is almost over won't spoil it rick comes to a town with Michonne Carl finds a huge armory and something tells me that that we're gonna have some work ahead of us identifying it all i saw several Ar-15 variants an AK-47 variant several shotguns and what i believe to be a crate with an mk2 grenade on top a little bit convent that they need all this stuff I'll admit but still ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:01, 3 March 2013 (EST)

I saw the Remington 700 from the first season, Several AR-15 type rifles, I believe a .50 Rifle without a scope or iron sights, Another Crossbow (I was thinking a Ghost 400 due to the all black coloring) and various wood-stocked hunting guns. Morgan used an AR with an optic I couldn't identify. --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:35, 3 March 2013 (EST).
: Yeah i think the gun Morgan used on the rooftops and the ground i believe that's the one your talking about was a Colt 933 or a compact Ar like it i don't thinks its the mk18 we saw Merle use however oh and what i think is a Remington 700 PSS or SPS in back of Rick when he asked Michonne you think he crazy --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)
I saw an SKS in the racks (can tell by the front sight and bayonet mount) in a "Dragunov" style polymer stock with an AK magazine (probably the same gun the Woodbury Guard has). There is also a Steyr SSG 69 which is quite prominent, sitting on its bipod under the "Duane Turned" graffiti. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:34, 4 March 2013 (EST)

The Law Enforcement Carbine and M4A1/M203 from "Walk With Me" made a reappearance in Morgan's armory, too. I saw Rick pick up the former (it had the same fabric wrapping on the handguard as the one pictured in the Governor's hands) and the latter could be seen laying on its side next to Morgan while he was tied up. Prop-wise, all of these guns probably ''are'' the same ones used by the Woodbury Army. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 4 March 2013 (EST) p
:: Just saw a pic of the armory several AK-47 wooden furniture variants what i believe a MP5K on a table ( like spartan said these weapons are probably the same as the woodbury armory the mp5k prob being the one Martinez was using an a box of mk2 or i should say A CRATE fulled with mk2 grenades and what be appears to be a lee enfield but i can only see the underbelly of the weapon so not positive. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 11:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)
The black crossbow appears to be a Stryker Strykezone 380 or possibly the 350. [[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2013 (EST)

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-04T21:16:10Z

Bahlemar: /* New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. */

==Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"==
'''The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":'''

===M16===
B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16A1]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:TWDWebCS02 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]) is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm. ]]

===AKMS===
An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.
[[File:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.]]

==Additional Screenshots==
[[Image:Walking dead ak.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
When did Carol get that gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:M4_walking_dead_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2]]
Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk: Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

:I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

:::I get annoyed when people refer to a C8 as an "M4A1", so welcome to the club. ;-) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

::::MT2008, isn't the WASR one of the only stamped variants that doesn't have the dimples though? Also I don't get the Franken-gun comment, as we are talking about the receiver here which is what defines the gun. If an AKM has a hooded front sight we call it a Type 56 and the possibility that it is a Franken-gun doesn't come into it, and this is a hell of a lot easier to change than swapping out a whole new receiver so I don't understand why you are singling out WASR-10s. Also, just to add that if you look at the image at the top of this section you will see that there are markings on the right side of the receiver below the pair of rivets at the front, which do not appear on the vast majority of the AK photos on this site. However they are present on all of the WASR photos, including the WASR-10 underfolder. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== Questionable Production Values ==

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...
:The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
::The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.
:::Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Indeed, TV shows tend to have low budgets these days. I mean, the ARNG guys were flying around in a single-engine Huey, that should've been a dead giveaway. One of my pet peeves in TV and movies these days is that nearly every helicopter is a Huey; ''TV Tropes'' has an entire page dedicated to this phenomenon. At least they had CGI AH-64Ds, although they were dropping napalm bombs; I don't think Apache Longbows can drop UGBs. Not to mention that most of the second season took place on a farm, and the third season mostly takes place in a prison, although it was much, much better than the poor second season. If I were the production crew, I would've had a CGI helo. A CGI UH-60 would've been much better than a real-live, outdated UH-1. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, the Huey used by the Georgia National Guard survivors could be justified as being salvaged from a reserve or storage depot or something along those lines since the show was going on a year since the outbreak (and last I checked, you can't actually ''ride'' in a CGI Black Hawk like they were doing...). The one encountered by Rick outside the hospital in the pilot episode, however, is out of place since it was left over from before the military fell apart. Now the real reason why they're using Hueys is because, AFAIK, there are no S-70s/UH-60s in civilian hands (the Black Hawks in ''Black Hawk Down'' were ''actual'' US Army) for productions to rent, otherwise we'd probably see more of them onscreen. Same reason for the use of decommissioned British tanks like the Chieftain to stand in for the M1 Abrams. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:29, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== WASR Rails ==
I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is [http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-103 this model] made by UTG. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

== CGI muzzle flashes? ==

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM
:Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== several soldiers had M4A1's ==
Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard.

::The Woodbury guys got the M4A1s from the ARNG guys they killed, however, where did Rick's group get them? The prison armory? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:::They had at least one prior to taking the prison because Hershel used it during said action. They found at least one inside the prison armory. And the scoped M4 used by Maggie was captured during Rick's second attack on Woodbury, I believe, because it looks like the same one Merle briefly used when Andrea and Michonne first arrived in Woodbury. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

==The Governor's Pistol==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-david-morrissey-governor-303.jpg here] and [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-governor-episode-303.jpg here] that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: this pistol doesnt look stainless it looks more like a nickel plated beretta 92SB because if you look closely in the scene where the governor holds his pistol to maggies head it glisens in the light and shines unlike the dullness of a stainless inox also the trigger guard looks rounded --[[User:Policerlhpd |Policerlhpd ]] ([[User talk:Policerlhpd |talk]]) 03:48, 06 December 2012 (EDT)

It's not a Beretta 92SB its a beretta inox the latest episode confirms it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:20, 25 February 2013 (EST)

== The Usage of Silencers in Season 3 ==

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects (flashlight tubes, aluminum baseball bats, etc.) as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, such a project can still be a challenge. It all depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it must be subsonic. There will be a loud sonic "crack" otherwise every time the gun is discharged. The 9mm cartridge is typically ''not'' subsonic. Most gun shops that I have been to typically do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite all this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers that seem to work quite well. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols actually, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically ''not'' subsonic, and subsonic variants of this ammunition are also not widely available. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition since the onset of the zombie apocalypse. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:You are making a lot of assumptions and claims for a show that can't even hire an armorer or get blank fire guns. Firstly, improvised suppressors are not all that difficult to manufacture. It can be done with freeze plugs and steel pipe (though it may not last long). The problem is getting your weapon to function and cycle properly with one. Secondly, the vast majority of 147gr 9x19 loads are subsonic, you do not need special subsonic 9mm to run through a can, any 147gr ball or JHP will be fine. Subsonic ammo is not essential, and in some cases, not even recommended, as it won't reliably cycle the action in some gas operated weapons like an AR. A suppressor is just as important, if not more, for saving your own hearing than preventing others from hearing. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] ([[User talk:The Kaptain|talk]]) 15:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::If improvised silencers were really ''that'' easy to make for just any gun, and assuming that they all worked really well too, then just about every hardcore thug, gangbanger, street-level drug dealer, and bad guy in real life would have at least one or two silenced guns, but this is simply not reality. None of the LEO's whom I know in real life and have spoken with on this subject have been able to tell me about themselves encountering much of any improvised silencers in the possession of criminal suspects during their careers. For some guns out there, yes, it is rather easy to make a decent silencer for them on the fly out of various common objects and without having access to all that many tools. One such gun is the .22LR [[Ruger_Mk_I_/_Mk_II_/_Mk_III_Pistol|Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol]] series. I have seen silencers made for that gun from drink bottles, PVC pipe, tractor mufflers, oil filters, and even more odd things than I could even list here. In the post-apocalyptic world of TWD however, I submit that it would actually be quite tricky to make an improvised silencer on the fly that also actually works well for a [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] or a [[Beretta_92FS#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] like we have seen on this show's Season 3. Such a silencer would have to be attached firmly enough to the muzzle without flying downrange after the first or second shot, plus, the internal baffles, wipes, or whatever the design utilizes would also have to remain in alignment with the bore from one shot to the next. To accomplish this, it would most likely require swapping out the factory barrel with an extended barrel which also has external threading. I have not yet seen any depictions or explanation on this show about where and how Rick's group would have been able to make or acquire threaded barrels for any gun. For me, it would have been much more realistic if TWD had featured a scene, or at least made a mention, of Rick's group raiding a Class III licensed gun dealer's shop (There are quite a few such gun shops in Georgia, by the way, which is where TWD is supposedly taking place.) that had some professionally silenced guns, made with machine tools, which had been locked away in some gun safes that had not been breached yet by previous scavengers.

::Maybe it's just me, but most of the 9mm Luger ammunition that I have ever seen on the store shelves out there (Walmart, Kmart, smaller gun shops, etc.) is either 115 gr or 124 gr, and both of these are typically hypersonic, since their muzzle velocities are either slightly or greatly above the sound barrier of 1129 fps. What I usually do not see much of on most store shelves are those 9mm Luger 147 gr rounds, which are typically subsonic. (It seems that the heavier bullet weight is what makes the round subsonic by fault rather than design.)
:::I'll second this. I live in Texas(another very pro-gun state), and I shoot as well. At commercial retailer type stores like Walmart, you won't find sub-sonic 9mm ammo. Even a lot of gun retailers/shooting ranges don't carry it. That said, it's entertainment, for better or worse, you can't expect a ton of realism. Just like you may have to accept that some "elite special forces" guy is going to rush into a combat zone dual wielding a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagle or something in action movies, you just have to accept that the characters here have "silencers" that make guns really really quiet, and not dwell on the lack of realism in either situation. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::I have yet to ever hear anybody in the legitimate business of making or selling ATF-registered silencers recommend against using subsonic ammunition with any silencer. If an AR-type rifle is configured as a sniping system with a bipod, telescopic sights, and a silencer, then it would not really be such a big deal to me if the subsonic ammunition being fired through it failed to cycle the action. The shooter would just have to cycle the action manually after each shot. Besides, "One shot, one kill" is the sniper's motto anyway, right?

::Since the whole point of using a silencer in a zombie-apocalyptic world as depicted in TWD would be the desire to quietly kill a zombie without attracting any other zombies in the far-away distance to your location, to use anything other than subsonic ammunition would be somewhat self-defeating as far as I am concerned. The sonic "crack" that hypersonic ammunition makes when fired through even the best of silencer designs can actually be quite conspicuous downrange. I got to hear the difference for myself between subsonic and hypersonic ammunition being fired through various silencers during a Class III weapons demonstration at a target range once. Being that a 62 gr, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 round has a muzzle velocity of over 3,000 fps, the sonic "crack" made by this round after passing through any silencer simply has to be quite considerable. So, when I saw Merle firing a silenced M4 in S3E03 and heard how relatively quiet the discharge sounded, I could not help but wonder how unrealistic that seemed if we are to also assume that this M4 was also loaded with standard, military-issue, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 ammunition. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (EST)

:::You are forgetting one thing. This is a TV show. They don't need to use actual practical silencers on the guns, they can stick whatever they want onto the barrel and sound FX takes care of the rest. You say that we are to assume that they are using subsonic ammo in their handguns. In reality, however, we don't. If you have seen any movie featuring suppressors, most are just cylinders slipped onto the barrels, not real suppressors. We aren't supposed to assume they are using subsonic ammo, we are supposed to assume that the director wants this pistol to be suppressed, so it will sound suppressed under any circumstances. You are reading way too much into something that has been happening in movies and TV for years. Also, it would have been a huge takeaway from the storytelling, if the characters just all of a sudden went into extensive detail into how they affectively suppressed their weapons and it is much easier just to show the audience, "This is a suppressor, it makes the gun quieter," and not adding on, "But it will only be silenced under extensive conditions." --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yes, of course TWD is a TV show, but this is IMFDb, where we, the contributors to IMFDb, work to identify the firearms and other weapons used in live action TV show dramas and other genres of popular entertainment. IMFDb contributors also discuss gun-related issues pertinent to the depiction of guns in popular entertainment. Being that many of us IMFDb contributors are rather knowledgeable about guns in real life, sometimes one or more of us will take issue with the depiction of guns in popular entertainment on technical grounds that others will likely not even notice or care about. For me in this case, it was the usage of improvised silencers in Season 3 of TWD. If TWD had featured Rick, Carl, and other characters all using improvised silencers made from common objects on firearms chambered in .22 LR, then I would not have taken an issue with this on technical grounds, because in real life, I know just how easy it is to make silencers such as these that will actually perform well shot after shot, and I know how readily available subsonic .22 LR ammunition is. (Almost every large and small business establishment that sells firearm ammunition now stocks it.) Even though silencers have been depicted inaccurately in popular entertainment for years, now that more Americans and other folks abroad legally own real silencers than ever before, and now that even more folks can go online to watch numerous videos which definitively demonstrate what silencers in real life are really like, I feel that the the makers of popular entertainment will be left with no choice but to rethink how they depict the capabilities of silencers in order to keep their audiences happy. Perhaps they already have - there used to be depictions of working silencers on revolvers in popular entertainment made prior to about 1980 or so. Being that it is nearly impossible to build silencers for revolvers that would be both effective and practical, except for the [[Nagant_M1895|Nagant M1895]] revolver, silencer-equipped revolvers are almost never seen in popular entertainment nowadays. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 07:41, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, I know this is IMFDB, I am pretty knowledgeable in firearms and that is why I use this site. I don't see many pages picking apart silencer inaccuracies, because almost all movies and TV shows depict silencers are small tubes that can suppress anything. It is understood that Hollywood does this, therefore if you want to pick apart the inaccurate use of suppressors in every TV show and movie then you are going to need a few years. Or decades. Or lifespans. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Warships at sea, Cheyenne Mountain, Diego Garcia, etc. ==
Do the comics ever elaborate on these and other secure or hard-to-access locations? Land bases like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg getting swamped with sick and wounded civilians that subsequently turn into walkers and overrun them is one thing, but I can't see aircraft carriers in the middle of the world's oceans, a fortified nuclear bunker with severely restricted access, or an isolated island base like DG, having big walker problems. I could conceivably see the government falling back to any such location and continuing to function, even if just to form a floating military nation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)
we still don't know anything about this virus that has infected the entire planet. It does seem that everyone, even the living are infected because once killed the normal way, they turn into one of the zombies. Perhaps more restricted places are secured. We still don't know how the virus was spread but if it is airborne, than no where is safe for long. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:51, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:: Everything exalilbur said plus there was never much of any one who confirmed any hope that hinted there was any goverment left on an island or underground it makes sense they ( the goverment ) wouldn't want it to be known they'd prob wanna keep it a secret wait until hopefully the zombies roamed to well they were immobile except the head or till they starved hopefully ( there was actually one hope there was a walker that rotted to the ground and was immobalized cept the head it was hinted this could happen to other walkers ) then they would try to rebuild wat twas lost i saw the walking dead wikia that in the twd world theres 1 human for every 5000 zombies maybe americas combined with the rest of the world and then average out because wit all our guns I'd think * knock on wood * there'd be more survivors with all ours guns gun stores and the guns that were the militarys ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:: I've read other zombie stories where they talk about warships at sea during a similar zombie outbreak. In the Day by day armeggeddon series by J L Bourne, the navy had a carrier group that was steaming off the coast launching raids on coastal facilities for supplies and rescue ops. But he also wrote about how an outbreak on a ship could quickly spread out of control due to the confined space. Also had a sub that had been undersea during the outbreak and remained submerged for as long as they could. A crew member died and stayed dead until the sub had to surface. And Max Brooks World War Z had the US gov't relocated to hawaii after the military cleared the islands [[user:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I really believe that the climbing number of gun owners in America and how much ammo is bought at the civlian level might work towards making a zombie outbreak impossible or at least controllable. None of the zombie books including Brooks really touch on the American gun culture [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:I have watched some episodes of a reality show which has followed new episodes of TWD on the AMC Sunday night lineup. "Comic Book Men" is the show which I am referring to here. (No, I am not a fan of this show. How this show got renewed for a second season is beyond me, but apparently somebody at AMC decided to renew it.) I believe it was during an episode of this reality show during its first season when Ming, one of the comic book store employees, made a personal revelation about his greatest fear in life being the zombie apocalypse. Walt, another comic book store employee, then gave Ming a look of incredulity and said to him something like, "Dude, don't you realize how many guns there are in this country?" What Walt said there was one of the few things that I have ever liked about this "Comic Book Men" reality show. "Comic Book Men" is a reality show which takes place in the vehemently anti-gun state of New Jersey, where less than 10% of the population shoots and/or owns guns legally, and I would not at all be surprised if none of the stars of this reality show have ever actually owned or fired a real gun in their entire lives. Despite this, at least one of this show's stars, Walt, seemed to understand that a considerable gun culture truly does exist in most states outside of New Jersey. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

::As for Max Brooks, the author of several "zombie survival" books, the guy's Wikipedia page says that he was born in New York City and raised by Hollywood director Mel Brooks and Hollywood actress Anne Bancroft. Being raised in the insanely anti-gun environment of New York City by parents with Hollywood careers and presumably left-leaning and anti-gun viewpoints, and then growing up to become a "Saturday Night Live" comedy writer based in New York City, would lead me to believe that Max Brooks never got to learn much of anything about real-life gun ownership and marksmanship at any point in his life whatsoever. Assuming that this is the case, this would then also explain why Max Brooks, along with other zombie-genre authors and writers with similar non-gun-owning life histories to his own, all seem to have failed to account for the prevalence of the American gun culture in real life when they crafted their fictional tales of zombie outbreaks somehow being able to entirely overwhelm America, and the rest of this world even, to the point where a complete societal breakdown becomes the end result. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::While I think Max Brooks' books are ridiculous in almost every aspect, I have some trouble with you're whole New York theory. I grew up and still live in Massachusetts, a very anti-gun state. My mother was and still is very anti-gun. That didn't stop me from getting into gun culture and learning a lot about it. I have also been shooting at the Smith & Wesson range many times, although it has been closed for quite some time. That being said, I don't think you should jump to conclusions simply because of where someone was born and raised. Not all of a parent's beliefs are passed down to their children. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (EST)

I haven't read the Zombie Survival Guide, but I have read World War Z (which is fucking awesome). One of the survivors makes a point that panicked gun owners shooting other uninfected people actually caused more casualties during the opening stages of the infection ("The Great Panic" as it's called in the book) than the living dead. I'd say it's a fair point, which actually makes the "more guns for all" theory work against America in that context. - Phalanx

:Max Brooks is nothing but just another "limousine liberal" gun-hating libtard elitist who grew up in New York City and Hollywood with the figurative silver spoon in his mouth. I did my research on Max Brooks and I was not impressed. I read his Zombie Survival Guide too. I surely will never buy his World War Z book though. Eff him and that book, seriously. Max Brooks dissed the original M-16 rifle in his Zombie Survival Guide, but that was probably because he had read about the feed problems which the US Army had had with the M-16 rifle in Vietnam some 45+ years ago. If Max Brooks had ever tried joining the US Military sometime around 1990 or so when he had turned 18, then he would have known that the successor of the the original M-16 rifle from the Vietnam era was by then a markedly much better rifle, because he would likely have been issued the M-16A2 rifle at that time. Instead, Max Brooks went to a small liberal arts college in California that kicked the ROTC program off of campus in 1991, and has had outright Communists and radical leftists as commencement speakers all throughout the 2000's in addition to himself. For all we know, Max Brooks was probably all in favor of all of these policy decision at his Alma mater. It only figures that a typical gun-hater libtard like Max Brooks would put an anti-gun-owner jab into his World War Z book. Max Brooks also dissed TWD TV show simply because his friend was fired from it. To reiterate, eff Max Brooks and his books. I will also say the same about whatever movies he is associated with in the future. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Guys, there's a forum for this sort of thing, can we knock it off here? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:23, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:You mean there is a forum for discussion on how clueless Max Brooks is about firearms in general, even though he professes to know which firearms are the best for surviving a zombie apocalypse? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 18:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::What part of "knock it off" is complicated? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::Boy, that escalated quickly. I make a chance remark about a novel and you go on a paranoid rant about "radical leftists" and "communists". Never mind that the reference in the book is from a chapter in which the US Military fights a pitched battle with the zombies and Brooks is broadly correct (if somewhat simplistic, but it's a zombie novel, not "Guns and Ammo") about a dozen weapons systems used by the US Armed Forces. Let's slam him for being, according to you, a "libtard" (because he went to a liberal college, shock horror. As opposed to all of those conservative colleges out there, oh wait). Never mind that the book is stuffed to the gills with soldiers behaving in exemplary ways and basically flat out says "the USA won in Afghanistan and Iraq but the public won't acknowledge it".
And frankly, while I'm not saying that every gun owner is a paranoid recluse who thinks the government is reading his thoughts and is ready to greet a Jehova's Witness knocking unexpectedly at his door with a blast of full-auto, to go the opposite and say that every gun owner is a saintly god of trigger discipline and restraint is equally biased. Just go on youtube and you'll find a host of tacticool retards showing off their new piece with fingers on the trigger, pointing it at themselves, et cetera. I've seen cops with appallingly bad drills. Hell, there's even that famous video of the cop doing a gun safety demonstration shooting himself. My point is, there's apparently 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. That equates to what, a very, very conservative 27,000,000 people who own guns? If even a conservative one in 10,000 of said people is a dangerous idiot, or even just not equipped to deal with the stress of, oh, I dunno, THE END OF THE WORLD AND COMPLETE SOCIAL COLLAPSE, then you've still got 270,000+ instances of manslaughter. -Phalanx

::::To add to what Phalanx has to say, we'd also have to worry about less than honest people like the Governor and his band of misfits, Dave and Tony's group of bandit rapists, and possibly even rogue military and police elements. The living can be just as dangerous, if not more so than, the dead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:58, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::::Also God help your soul if you run into a group like The Hunters from the comics.....[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::::::Yeah, precisely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:20, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::All I know is I really enjoyed WWZ and could care less about Max Brooks politics. Same goes for saving private Ryan and the Director of that movie. Can't understand how someone can trash a book they haven't read. What's next? Trashing an AK-47 after never having ever fired one because it was made in a communist country? So silly.
::::::::Well, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Anyway, I'm glad the OP brought this up, because I always wondered what a USN DDG out at sea would have done in this situation, or a bunch of SEALs at Coronado or Little Creek, VA, in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:29, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== Guns in S03 E06 ==

One gun looks like a Walther P38.

Neil's gun (picked up by Merle after he kills him) looks like a Walther P9.

The other guy in Merle's party appears to have a Glock of some sort but isn't clear enough to be sure...90% certain of it though. Will upload screenshots later maybe.

Finally figured it out:

[[File:P38TWD.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

[[File:P9Merle.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Whatever this is, it isn't a Glock. The slide's way too round, and the trigger & guard are not the Glock style. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 07:41, 24 February 2013 (EST)
:It's ID'd on the main page, its a Walther P99. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Finally! Blanks! ==

In the episode "Made To Suffer"(This episode was F#$KING awesome) it appeared that many of the guns were shooting and cycling blanks. The first and most obvious one was the 870 used by Shupert, it looked like both Daryl's AKMS and Rick's M4A1 were cycling blanks at times, Maggie's P99 seemed to shoot blanks in one or two scenes, and many other random guns during the shootout in Woodbury.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:13, 3 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not so sure they were actually cycling blanks all the time. The M4 looked like it was CGI muzzle flashes, there was a close shot of Daryl's AKMS that was cycling blanks but the wider shots looked more like CGI muzzle flashes. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:40, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:I agree totally. They are indefinably not using blanks in all the shots, though I could have sworn seeing Rick's M4 shooting blanks in scene or two, but most definitely not the whole shootout. and you cannot say that the 870 used by Shupert wasn't shooting blanks, I could even see flames coming out of the ejection port when he racked the action.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (EST)

:I just saw a video about the making of this episode and it has a lot of talk about the guns in the episode. The link is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9oA6PYyYc --[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:15, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== More rifles ==

Episode 8, saw a CX4 Storm and a 20 inch AR-15 series rifle with either a tan handguard or tape on it and what looked to be a cali style grip, either that or the actor was holding it strangely. Both in the background, but I'm positive it's an AR-15, but the CX4 could possibly be a dressed up Hi-Point. There were also 1 or 2 AK variants with wooden furniture, possibly Norincos, didn't see if the FSP was hooded or not (possibly a PolyTech), an AR-15 carbine with a rail system and a SOCOM stock as well as a full sized Uzi,a suppressed micro Uzi and what appears to be a Remington 870 with wooden furniture and several MP5Ks. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 16:50, 3 December 2012 (EST)

*Minor Spoiler Alert* In the promo for the second half of season 3, the Governor (David Morrissey) can be seen firing what looks like a Steyr AUG (one handed no less). Renegadefunk44 20:41 December 3 2012 (EDT)
:That was definitely a Steyr AUG he was shooting, looked like an A1 model with the built in scope. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:42, 4 December 2012 (EST)
I think Daryl's gun might actually be a Type 56 this episode. If nothing else it is definitely a different gun to te previous AKMS as it has a different rail system. Also in some shots you can see that it has the wide front sight, and a couple of times it looked like it could have been hooded to me, but can't find a totally clear shot to confirm. When was the background possibly Cali AR-15, I can't find it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 4 December 2012 (EST)

It was in the background of the Governor's speech at the end, around the same time the CX4 appeared. I think it's the same AKMS though, it looks like the same WASR, but could maybe be a Type 56 with a Tapco RIS [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 12:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:I am fairly sure it is a different gun to the WASR as it has the magazine well dimples and a rear sight rail. Also, there are either two different similar looking guns used in this episode or they changed the muzzle device as in some shots it is an AKM slant compensator, and in others it has a straight cylindrical (and it isn't that the cylindrical one is a BFA, as the slant one is seen in blank firing shots. The cylindrical muzzle can be seen when Glenn is handed the AKM (which I think is an editing mistake, as Daryl arrives and is reloading the AKM, next shot Glenn has it, then Daryl has it back before handing it to Glenn before he throws the grenade). Also, I think the RIS matches [http://www.gamepod.com/ak47-full-ris-p-174.html this] airsoft one (don't know if this is based on a real accessory or is airsoft only). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Pump action sound effect on double barrel shotgun ==
In episode seven, when the hermit aims his break open shotgun at Rick, it sounded like the generic sound effect of a pump action was used, despite not being a pump action.
[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 0:21 4 December 2012 (EST)
:It is possible. The post-production guys may not have known much about firearms and could have added that SFX in. Same thing happened in the 2005 Christian Bale film ''[[Harsh Times]]'', where a pump-racking SFX was added to an [[Armsel Srtiker]]. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:27, 18 February 2013 (EST)

==Shane's Shotgun==
Anybody catch what type of shotgun the resident of Woodbury mistaken for Shane was carrying? --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 13:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Judging by the ones earlier, I think it was an 870 [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 17:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Spoilers in BDA Picture ==

Is the shot of Carl's ([[Chandler Riggs]]) BDA in "Killer Within" (S3EO4) really necessary, It reveals a pretty big and sad spoiler to the episode. Thanks to whoever blurred out the picture, I really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== The Return of Bernthal (Shane) ==

In "Made to Suffer" rick has a hallucination that ''Shane'' ([[Jon Bernthal]]) is walking towards him during the Woodburry shootout. He is armed with some pump action shotgun. the scene is rather dark but it looks like it might be an 870 with synthetic furniture. I don't know how to screencap otherwise I would add this, but if someone else could I would really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Not sure about what kind of rifle this is. Colt 933? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:The barrel is too short to be a 933. I would say a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]], or a civilian copy. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I agree, it is close to the below weapon except without the vertical grip:[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]They both have crane stocks and LMT rear sights, but the show gun has the sight mounted backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== FN FAL? ==
'''WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.'''
When the prison got attacked at the end of the latest episode, I'm pretty sure I saw one of the attackers firing off an FN FAL with an ELCAN sight. Could somebody upload a pic of it, and correct me if I'm wrong? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:22, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:Definitely an FAL.

==Mexican guy's revolver==
What revolver was the mexican guy on the bridge using? It looked like merele had an old model 10 or M&P

:The revolver on the bridge appeared to be some type of Webley. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:49, 18 February 2013 (EST)
::Judging by the grip it must be a Webley "WG" Army Model but i just guessing here. --[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (CST)

Merle had a Colt, maybe a Police Positive or Official Police [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (EST)

== Haley's gun ==

I just watched episode 8 to 9 again and discovered the Haley was using a suppressed mini Uzi can anybody get pictures of it. [[User:Balin21|User:Balin21]]

== Mossberg 590 (Shane's) Season 3 ==

In the first 2 season's Shane's Mossberg 590 has Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's NRS stock on it. From the screen caps already up for season 3, its changed to the Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's Recoil Suppression version. You can tell by the fact that the piece that bolts into the back of the shotgun is shorter. Allowing for the body of the shotgun to recoil back. The NRS model... Well the older Gen 1 version, the piece that bolts to the shotgun continues back to where the adjustable stock begins.

== The Governor's AUG ==

When the Governor's men attack the prison, The Governor himself is seen practically SPRAYING down the area with some type of Steyr-AUG variant, having relative accuracy with that and his Beretta despite the distance and having only one eye.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:My problem with the show is that they constantly are spraying bullets when they know for a fact that ammo is hard to come by. Episode one, the guy sprayed his MP5K and most likely wasted 6 rounds before getting that head shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 19 February 2013 (EST)
::I saw the logistical fail with that, as well. Plus, wouldn't having only one eye, which is a relatively new injury for the Gov to have, screw up your depth perception quite a bit, let alone make you UNABLE to land a headshot with a 9mm handgun one-handed? I love this show but the firearms logistics within it are beginning to wear me down. -[[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:::I'm relatively curious as to where he got the AUG from. Unlike the M4s or AKs in the show (which are military issue for the former, thus incredibly common and very popular civilian weapons for the latter), the AUG is not used by the US military (apart from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and AFAIK they use the full length 20 inch barrel model) and the variant he uses isn't the civilian A3 model which has a Picatinny rail in place of the scope. - [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]]
::::Where they got it I have no idea, I figured it was one of those rare NFA guns floating around out there. As to why the waste of ammunition? I figured it was for the pure purpose of psychological warfare, to let the Atlanta group know that even if they survive this skirmish they can still come back with greater numbers of people and munitions than they'll ever have. Afterall in a world where ammunition is no longer being produced and highly prized, just casually blowing through it without any regard for conservation would suggest they have a large, large supply of it and they have no problem flaunting that.

he took out a national guard convoy, hes got plenty of ammo. better questions why ricks wasting so much.
: Because Officer Friendly is a cop, and in real life ammo conservation and accuracy aren't their best traits. Look at national averages for accuracy and how many rounds they discharge at times. Rick's back to facing live targets again, not just shambling walkers.

== "I Ain’t A Judas" hires promos ==

I came across a few hires promo photos from this episode, and the gun carried by Maggie got my attention:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
To me this looks like it has a Springfield M1903A3 action (A3 because of the horizontal dovetail a the back which would normally hold the aperture sight), does anyone know if there is a sporting rifle that uses this action, or is this a sporterised M1903A3? Also, Merle uses some sort of AR-15 SBR:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0119.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:02, 21 February 2013 (EST)
:It's another Mk 18-type carbine, with Magpul folding BUIS (the front sight looks to be mounted backwards) and an AAC flash hider added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== Merle's Colt ==

I think, based on the size of the gun relative to Michael Rooker's hand, and the length of the cylinder, it's actually a Police Positive Special rather than an Official Police. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Remington 700 VLS ==

I changed the caliber on the picture of the VLS from .270 to .308 - I don't know for sure that it's a .308 but its definitely NOT a .270. Remington only makes the VLS in short action, which can't accomodate a .270. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Huge production error ==

Not really weapons related but anyone think it's a bit odd that they have a 2013 Hyundai, yet the apocalypse started in 2010? Is South Korea unaware people are eating each other and just shipping car around the world?

It's most likely an advertisement, the show's popular so Hyundai is probably a sponsor or something, and they decided to put in their newest car... But aren't we talking about guns here? This should go into 'bloopers' section on some movie website :) And You forgot to sign Your post (four ~) --[[User:Alisha161Fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161Fishy|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2013 (EST)

It's never stated in the show what year it is (unless I've missed something), so the car's presence is plausible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:05, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It's a 2013 Hyundai Tucson. I drive the same one haha. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 20:28, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Well about cars and guns, I'll be a little forgiving on new toys mostly because the actual YEAR the show takes place in is never told to us. We can assume it is "present day" but it could be a couple years from now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== Machine gun ==

I cant figure out what type of machine gun is on the wall to woodbury it looks like a Browning 1919 can anyone confirm it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 09:01, 25 February 2013 (EST)
: It could be but the rifle used by one of the guards looks to be a tactical'd SKS.
::It was definitely a 1919. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:15, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::An M1919 definitely but, and I watched the episode a few times to make sure, it seems the weapon is lying on it's side as the gunner appears to be holding the grip "gangsta" style. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::::No, it's right-side up I'm pretty sure the "grip" on the side he is holding is actually the charging handle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 09:56, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. ==

Okay walking dead is almost over won't spoil it rick comes to a town with Michonne Carl finds a huge armory and something tells me that that we're gonna have some work ahead of us identifying it all i saw several Ar-15 variants an AK-47 variant several shotguns and what i believe to be a crate with an mk2 grenade on top a little bit convent that they need all this stuff I'll admit but still ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:01, 3 March 2013 (EST)

I saw the Remington 700 from the first season, Several AR-15 type rifles, I believe a .50 Rifle without a scope or iron sights, Another Crossbow (I was thinking a Ghost 400 due to the all black coloring) and various wood-stocked hunting guns. Morgan used an AR with an optic I couldn't identify. --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:35, 3 March 2013 (EST).
: Yeah i think the gun Morgan used on the rooftops and the ground i believe that's the one your talking about was a Colt 933 or a compact Ar like it i don't thinks its the mk18 we saw Merle use however oh and what i think is a Remington 700 PSS or SPS in back of Rick when he asked Michonne you think he crazy --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)
I saw an SKS in the racks (can tell by the front sight and bayonet mount) in a "Dragunov" style polymer stock with an AK magazine (probably the same gun the Woodbury Guard has). There is also a Steyr SSG 69 which is quite prominent, sitting on its bipod under the "Duane Turned" graffiti. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:34, 4 March 2013 (EST)

The Law Enforcement Carbine and M4A1/M203 from "Walk With Me" made a reappearance in Morgan's armory, too. I saw Rick pick up the former (it had the same fabric wrapping on the handguard as the one pictured in the Governor's hands) and the latter could be seen laying on its side next to Morgan while he was tied up. Prop-wise, all of these guns probably ''are'' the same ones used by the Woodbury Army. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 4 March 2013 (EST) p
:: Just saw a pic of the armory several AK-47 wooden furniture variants what i believe a MP5K on a table ( like spartan said these weapons are probably the same as the woodbury armory the mp5k prob being the one Martinez was using an a box of mk2 or i should say A CRATE fulled with mk2 grenades and what be appears to be a lee enfield but i can only see the underbelly of the weapon so not positive. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 11:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)
The black crossbow appears to be a Stryker Strykezone 380 or possibly the 350. --[[User:Bahlemar|Bahlemar]] ([[User talk:Bahlemar|talk]]) 21:16, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 3

2013-03-04T21:15:13Z

Bahlemar: /* New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. */

==Season 3 Webisodes "Cold Storage"==
'''The following weapons were used in the 4-part webisode series entitled "Cold Storage":'''

===M16===
B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16A1]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2. Chase is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[File:TWDWebCS02 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) is seen holding an [[M16]] on Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]), notably in Part 2.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS04 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chase ([[Josh Stewart]]) is seen holding the rifle in Part 4.]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 Magnum.]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|B.J. also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] as his sidearm. ]]

===AKMS===
An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.
[[File:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:TWDWebCS03_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[AKMS]]-type rifle is seen in B.J.'s room.]]

==Additional Screenshots==
[[Image:Walking dead ak.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Carol Peletier ([[Melissa McBride]]) fires the rifle from a watchtower in "Seed" (S3E01).]]
When did Carol get that gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:37, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering that too. One of the plausible explanations is that they grabbed it when raiding houses at the beginning of Season 3. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:M4_walking_dead_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In "Walk with Me" (S3E03), Soldier 2]]
Same thing with the M4A1. They didn't have it at the end of Season 2, so they most likely grabbed it when raiding houses. Same could probably be said for the Vektor CP1 as well. -- [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk: Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:53, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:I would agree that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock, along with other guns which we have seen lately on TWD, were all likely acquired as a result of the group's scavenging efforts in private homes after they fled Hershel's farm at the end of Season 2. Rick probably decided to have his group rummage through a storage locker rental facility or two. Plus, Carl did briefly mention something about the group's previous living situation at a storage locker facility during the first episode of Season 3. (Watch TWD's "Cold Storage" webisodes if you have not yet.) Even though most real-life storage facility's rules prohibit the practice, there have been enough people who have kept their firearms and ammunition in their rented storage lockers anyway. A zombie apocalypse would not change this, which in turn could be beneficial to survivors in the know about such things. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::TWD is set in Georgia. As I have posited in a previous IMFDB forum post, Georgia in real life is a pro-gun "red" state that is simply chock-full of guns and gun owners, and not just the "Elmer Fudd" types of long guns normally used for hunting, either. This is especially true in the rural areas of Georgia. Even the Walmart stores there carry Colt AR-15's and Ruger Mini-14's. Despite all of this, the "Elmer Fudd" types of long hunting guns were all that there seemed to be available to Rick's group during Season 1 and 2 of TWD as they stayed in the greater Atlanta area. Some members of the group seemed to be rather anti-gun, too, but now it seems that such attitudes towards guns, along with the group's apparent lack of tactical firepower, is all going to become a distant memory as Season 3 unfolds. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::In Kennesaw,Ga there is actually a law that you have to own a gun there.

I own a WASR-10 myself, which a semi-automatic-only version of the AKMS rifle made from a combination of Romanian and American parts for legal reasons. My WASR-10 had solid wood furniture and a non-folding stock when it was shipped to the dealer from Century International Arms. I have not yet seen any of the WASR-10 series come from the factory with a tactical handguard with rails on it. A handguard such as this is what appears to be on Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Also, the sling on her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock appears to be one made for the Mosin Nagant type rifles, rather than one made for the AK/SKS rifle types. (I could see the “dog collar-style” leather attachment straps on this sling in one of the still frame shots of Carol holding her AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock. Only the Mosin Nagant slings have those.) Being that Carol's AK-type rifle with the under-folding stock was tricked out like this when we first saw her firing it, this would lead me to believe that this gun was formerly a part of some local resident's private gun collection or whatever. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Anybody notice that Carol had to manually cycle the action of the WASR she was using after taking the first shot?

:I would guess that Carol had to manually cycle the action because no BFA (blank firing adapter) was apparently on her rifle at the time. The most commonly found BFA for the AK-47 looks something like a shiny lug nut. (I own a few of these myself.) A BFA such as this would have really stood out in this scene if this was the only BFA available to the show's armorers at the time of production, so perhaps a decision was made to make do without a BFA on this rifle. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 10:02, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::OK, I'm getting a little bit annoyed with people calling any AKMS that lacks the indentations above the magazine a "WASR-10". We don't know for sure that that's what it is, and there are a lot of rifles in Hollywood that are "Franken-guns" built up from parts of multiple weapons. This weapon is more accurately described as an "AKMS" or AKMS-type rifle. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

:::I get annoyed when people refer to a C8 as an "M4A1", so welcome to the club. ;-) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

::::MT2008, isn't the WASR one of the only stamped variants that doesn't have the dimples though? Also I don't get the Franken-gun comment, as we are talking about the receiver here which is what defines the gun. If an AKM has a hooded front sight we call it a Type 56 and the possibility that it is a Franken-gun doesn't come into it, and this is a hell of a lot easier to change than swapping out a whole new receiver so I don't understand why you are singling out WASR-10s. Also, just to add that if you look at the image at the top of this section you will see that there are markings on the right side of the receiver below the pair of rivets at the front, which do not appear on the vast majority of the AK photos on this site. However they are present on all of the WASR photos, including the WASR-10 underfolder. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== Questionable Production Values ==

Am I the only one who was just laughing their ass off at the low production values of the shootout in the prison yard? No cycling actions, no recoil, no muzzle smoke, it's un-freaking-believable. If you don't want to have to train all the actors with firearms and just CG it for time's sake, fine; but if preteens on YouTube can do a better job with VFX for free, AMC has no viable excuse for that crap. Come on, AMC...
:The budget was slashed after the first season, with some saying it was cut by 20%. (And please sign your posts.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:51, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
::The budget is small enough as is, I can imagine the special effects (ie makeup and the like) and locations and all that take up the majority of the budget, then they have the actors. I didn't really mind the courtyard shootout that much.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
::I'm sure alot of that could be chalked up to the safety of the actors/extras, too. If I remember right, the fight was pretty close in.
:::Yeah, to be honest I noticed that, too. Even Lori's Colt DS is being mime-fired. The LEAST they could have done is loaded it with dummy rounds and had her pull the trigger so the cylinder would spin. That looked like total garbage and even I noticed.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 03:05, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Indeed, TV shows tend to have low budgets these days. I mean, the ARNG guys were flying around in a single-engine Huey, that should've been a dead giveaway. One of my pet peeves in TV and movies these days is that nearly every helicopter is a Huey; ''TV Tropes'' has an entire page dedicated to this phenomenon. At least they had CGI AH-64Ds, although they were dropping napalm bombs; I don't think Apache Longbows can drop UGBs. Not to mention that most of the second season took place on a farm, and the third season mostly takes place in a prison, although it was much, much better than the poor second season. If I were the production crew, I would've had a CGI helo. A CGI UH-60 would've been much better than a real-live, outdated UH-1. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, the Huey used by the Georgia National Guard survivors could be justified as being salvaged from a reserve or storage depot or something along those lines since the show was going on a year since the outbreak (and last I checked, you can't actually ''ride'' in a CGI Black Hawk like they were doing...). The one encountered by Rick outside the hospital in the pilot episode, however, is out of place since it was left over from before the military fell apart. Now the real reason why they're using Hueys is because, AFAIK, there are no S-70s/UH-60s in civilian hands (the Black Hawks in ''Black Hawk Down'' were ''actual'' US Army) for productions to rent, otherwise we'd probably see more of them onscreen. Same reason for the use of decommissioned British tanks like the Chieftain to stand in for the M1 Abrams. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:29, 4 March 2013 (EST)

== WASR Rails ==
I think the handguard of Carol's WASR is [http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-103 this model] made by UTG. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 04:13, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

== CGI muzzle flashes? ==

I'm watching the Third Season Premier on AMC's website, and I think they're using CGI flashes on the pistols while they're clearing the prison. The pistols clearly aren't cycling and no brass is being ejected. --BigD, October 21, 8:43 AM
:Yup they were, could have been due to safety as it was really obvious when Carl was shooting, however it could also be down to the severely reduced budget since the first season. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 16:44, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== several soldiers had M4A1's ==
Several soldiers ambushed by the Governor and some " self trained soldiers " from woodbury the soldiers had m4a1's. the Governor Got a hold of one I think I may have seen and LMG M60 maybe m249 saw with the soldiers and an mp5k with a woodbury " soldier ". --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the M4 the governor picks up after the ambush is the one that merle used to shot the zombie over the gate, without the suppressor, and the scope has been taken of but no one bothered to put a rear sight back on, if you look at the pictures they both have the same cloth wrap over the foreguard.

::The Woodbury guys got the M4A1s from the ARNG guys they killed, however, where did Rick's group get them? The prison armory? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:::They had at least one prior to taking the prison because Hershel used it during said action. They found at least one inside the prison armory. And the scoped M4 used by Maggie was captured during Rick's second attack on Woodbury, I believe, because it looks like the same one Merle briefly used when Andrea and Michonne first arrived in Woodbury. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

==The Governor's Pistol==
The Governor ([[David Morrissey]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his personal sidearm. He also has a Kabar 1221 knife on his right hip, for anyone who may be interested. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 07:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: Hi-res pics [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-david-morrissey-governor-303.jpg here] and [http://www.gothic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/walking-dead-governor-episode-303.jpg here] that show off the Beretta logo on the grip. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 04:05, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Update: this pistol doesnt look stainless it looks more like a nickel plated beretta 92SB because if you look closely in the scene where the governor holds his pistol to maggies head it glisens in the light and shines unlike the dullness of a stainless inox also the trigger guard looks rounded --[[User:Policerlhpd |Policerlhpd ]] ([[User talk:Policerlhpd |talk]]) 03:48, 06 December 2012 (EDT)

It's not a Beretta 92SB its a beretta inox the latest episode confirms it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 17:20, 25 February 2013 (EST)

== The Usage of Silencers in Season 3 ==

Much unlike the comic book version of TWD, which is now beyond 100 issues at the time of this writing, the TV version of TWD has depicted the usage of silencers from the very first episode of Season 3 and beyond. I was quite pleased to see this development in the TV version, yet there are other aspects of their depiction that I have found to be just a bit unrealistic. I feel this way because I have had some experience with silencers in real life, so I know a bit about what they can and cannot do.

First of all, when it comes to these improvised silencers made from common objects (flashlight tubes, aluminum baseball bats, etc.) as we have seen so far in the TV version of TWD, it is not really all that easy to make one for a gun that is chambered for ammunition that is more powerful than the .22 LR cartridge. Even then, such a project can still be a challenge. It all depends on the gun which the silencer is being made for. (Living in the post-apocalyptic world of TWD would very likely not make the job of building a decent improvised silencer any easier.)

Secondly, for any silencer to really be worthwhile, the ammunition fired through it must be subsonic. There will be a loud sonic "crack" otherwise every time the gun is discharged. The 9mm cartridge is typically ''not'' subsonic. Most gun shops that I have been to typically do not stock subsonic 9mm ammunition. The only dealers that I have seen carrying it are the online retailers. Despite all this, we have seen Rick and Carl firing their 9mm Glock and Beretta pistols fitted with improvised silencers that seem to work quite well. It would have been a bit more realistic to see them firing silenced .45 ACP pistols actually, since the .45 ACP cartridge is typically subsonic in the first place. The same goes for the 5.56 NATO and the .223 Remington cartridge - they are typically ''not'' subsonic, and subsonic variants of this ammunition are also not widely available. Yet we have also seen at least one silenced M4 rifle, presumably chambered in 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington, being fired by Merle at some zombies on the perimeter of Woodbury. That being said, we would have to assume that the characters of TWD have all figured out that subsonic ammunition is essential for silenced shooting, and that they have all been able to acquire said subsonic ammunition since the onset of the zombie apocalypse. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:You are making a lot of assumptions and claims for a show that can't even hire an armorer or get blank fire guns. Firstly, improvised suppressors are not all that difficult to manufacture. It can be done with freeze plugs and steel pipe (though it may not last long). The problem is getting your weapon to function and cycle properly with one. Secondly, the vast majority of 147gr 9x19 loads are subsonic, you do not need special subsonic 9mm to run through a can, any 147gr ball or JHP will be fine. Subsonic ammo is not essential, and in some cases, not even recommended, as it won't reliably cycle the action in some gas operated weapons like an AR. A suppressor is just as important, if not more, for saving your own hearing than preventing others from hearing. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] ([[User talk:The Kaptain|talk]]) 15:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::If improvised silencers were really ''that'' easy to make for just any gun, and assuming that they all worked really well too, then just about every hardcore thug, gangbanger, street-level drug dealer, and bad guy in real life would have at least one or two silenced guns, but this is simply not reality. None of the LEO's whom I know in real life and have spoken with on this subject have been able to tell me about themselves encountering much of any improvised silencers in the possession of criminal suspects during their careers. For some guns out there, yes, it is rather easy to make a decent silencer for them on the fly out of various common objects and without having access to all that many tools. One such gun is the .22LR [[Ruger_Mk_I_/_Mk_II_/_Mk_III_Pistol|Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol]] series. I have seen silencers made for that gun from drink bottles, PVC pipe, tractor mufflers, oil filters, and even more odd things than I could even list here. In the post-apocalyptic world of TWD however, I submit that it would actually be quite tricky to make an improvised silencer on the fly that also actually works well for a [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] or a [[Beretta_92FS#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] like we have seen on this show's Season 3. Such a silencer would have to be attached firmly enough to the muzzle without flying downrange after the first or second shot, plus, the internal baffles, wipes, or whatever the design utilizes would also have to remain in alignment with the bore from one shot to the next. To accomplish this, it would most likely require swapping out the factory barrel with an extended barrel which also has external threading. I have not yet seen any depictions or explanation on this show about where and how Rick's group would have been able to make or acquire threaded barrels for any gun. For me, it would have been much more realistic if TWD had featured a scene, or at least made a mention, of Rick's group raiding a Class III licensed gun dealer's shop (There are quite a few such gun shops in Georgia, by the way, which is where TWD is supposedly taking place.) that had some professionally silenced guns, made with machine tools, which had been locked away in some gun safes that had not been breached yet by previous scavengers.

::Maybe it's just me, but most of the 9mm Luger ammunition that I have ever seen on the store shelves out there (Walmart, Kmart, smaller gun shops, etc.) is either 115 gr or 124 gr, and both of these are typically hypersonic, since their muzzle velocities are either slightly or greatly above the sound barrier of 1129 fps. What I usually do not see much of on most store shelves are those 9mm Luger 147 gr rounds, which are typically subsonic. (It seems that the heavier bullet weight is what makes the round subsonic by fault rather than design.)
:::I'll second this. I live in Texas(another very pro-gun state), and I shoot as well. At commercial retailer type stores like Walmart, you won't find sub-sonic 9mm ammo. Even a lot of gun retailers/shooting ranges don't carry it. That said, it's entertainment, for better or worse, you can't expect a ton of realism. Just like you may have to accept that some "elite special forces" guy is going to rush into a combat zone dual wielding a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagle or something in action movies, you just have to accept that the characters here have "silencers" that make guns really really quiet, and not dwell on the lack of realism in either situation. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] ([[User talk:DKS01|talk]]) 02:42, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::I have yet to ever hear anybody in the legitimate business of making or selling ATF-registered silencers recommend against using subsonic ammunition with any silencer. If an AR-type rifle is configured as a sniping system with a bipod, telescopic sights, and a silencer, then it would not really be such a big deal to me if the subsonic ammunition being fired through it failed to cycle the action. The shooter would just have to cycle the action manually after each shot. Besides, "One shot, one kill" is the sniper's motto anyway, right?

::Since the whole point of using a silencer in a zombie-apocalyptic world as depicted in TWD would be the desire to quietly kill a zombie without attracting any other zombies in the far-away distance to your location, to use anything other than subsonic ammunition would be somewhat self-defeating as far as I am concerned. The sonic "crack" that hypersonic ammunition makes when fired through even the best of silencer designs can actually be quite conspicuous downrange. I got to hear the difference for myself between subsonic and hypersonic ammunition being fired through various silencers during a Class III weapons demonstration at a target range once. Being that a 62 gr, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 round has a muzzle velocity of over 3,000 fps, the sonic "crack" made by this round after passing through any silencer simply has to be quite considerable. So, when I saw Merle firing a silenced M4 in S3E03 and heard how relatively quiet the discharge sounded, I could not help but wonder how unrealistic that seemed if we are to also assume that this M4 was also loaded with standard, military-issue, 5.56x45mm NATO, SS109 ammunition. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (EST)

:::You are forgetting one thing. This is a TV show. They don't need to use actual practical silencers on the guns, they can stick whatever they want onto the barrel and sound FX takes care of the rest. You say that we are to assume that they are using subsonic ammo in their handguns. In reality, however, we don't. If you have seen any movie featuring suppressors, most are just cylinders slipped onto the barrels, not real suppressors. We aren't supposed to assume they are using subsonic ammo, we are supposed to assume that the director wants this pistol to be suppressed, so it will sound suppressed under any circumstances. You are reading way too much into something that has been happening in movies and TV for years. Also, it would have been a huge takeaway from the storytelling, if the characters just all of a sudden went into extensive detail into how they affectively suppressed their weapons and it is much easier just to show the audience, "This is a suppressor, it makes the gun quieter," and not adding on, "But it will only be silenced under extensive conditions." --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2012 (EST)

::::Yes, of course TWD is a TV show, but this is IMFDb, where we, the contributors to IMFDb, work to identify the firearms and other weapons used in live action TV show dramas and other genres of popular entertainment. IMFDb contributors also discuss gun-related issues pertinent to the depiction of guns in popular entertainment. Being that many of us IMFDb contributors are rather knowledgeable about guns in real life, sometimes one or more of us will take issue with the depiction of guns in popular entertainment on technical grounds that others will likely not even notice or care about. For me in this case, it was the usage of improvised silencers in Season 3 of TWD. If TWD had featured Rick, Carl, and other characters all using improvised silencers made from common objects on firearms chambered in .22 LR, then I would not have taken an issue with this on technical grounds, because in real life, I know just how easy it is to make silencers such as these that will actually perform well shot after shot, and I know how readily available subsonic .22 LR ammunition is. (Almost every large and small business establishment that sells firearm ammunition now stocks it.) Even though silencers have been depicted inaccurately in popular entertainment for years, now that more Americans and other folks abroad legally own real silencers than ever before, and now that even more folks can go online to watch numerous videos which definitively demonstrate what silencers in real life are really like, I feel that the the makers of popular entertainment will be left with no choice but to rethink how they depict the capabilities of silencers in order to keep their audiences happy. Perhaps they already have - there used to be depictions of working silencers on revolvers in popular entertainment made prior to about 1980 or so. Being that it is nearly impossible to build silencers for revolvers that would be both effective and practical, except for the [[Nagant_M1895|Nagant M1895]] revolver, silencer-equipped revolvers are almost never seen in popular entertainment nowadays. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 07:41, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, I know this is IMFDB, I am pretty knowledgeable in firearms and that is why I use this site. I don't see many pages picking apart silencer inaccuracies, because almost all movies and TV shows depict silencers are small tubes that can suppress anything. It is understood that Hollywood does this, therefore if you want to pick apart the inaccurate use of suppressors in every TV show and movie then you are going to need a few years. Or decades. Or lifespans. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:12, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Warships at sea, Cheyenne Mountain, Diego Garcia, etc. ==
Do the comics ever elaborate on these and other secure or hard-to-access locations? Land bases like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg getting swamped with sick and wounded civilians that subsequently turn into walkers and overrun them is one thing, but I can't see aircraft carriers in the middle of the world's oceans, a fortified nuclear bunker with severely restricted access, or an isolated island base like DG, having big walker problems. I could conceivably see the government falling back to any such location and continuing to function, even if just to form a floating military nation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)
we still don't know anything about this virus that has infected the entire planet. It does seem that everyone, even the living are infected because once killed the normal way, they turn into one of the zombies. Perhaps more restricted places are secured. We still don't know how the virus was spread but if it is airborne, than no where is safe for long. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:51, 9 November 2012 (EST)

:: Everything exalilbur said plus there was never much of any one who confirmed any hope that hinted there was any goverment left on an island or underground it makes sense they ( the goverment ) wouldn't want it to be known they'd prob wanna keep it a secret wait until hopefully the zombies roamed to well they were immobile except the head or till they starved hopefully ( there was actually one hope there was a walker that rotted to the ground and was immobalized cept the head it was hinted this could happen to other walkers ) then they would try to rebuild wat twas lost i saw the walking dead wikia that in the twd world theres 1 human for every 5000 zombies maybe americas combined with the rest of the world and then average out because wit all our guns I'd think * knock on wood * there'd be more survivors with all ours guns gun stores and the guns that were the militarys ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 02:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:: I've read other zombie stories where they talk about warships at sea during a similar zombie outbreak. In the Day by day armeggeddon series by J L Bourne, the navy had a carrier group that was steaming off the coast launching raids on coastal facilities for supplies and rescue ops. But he also wrote about how an outbreak on a ship could quickly spread out of control due to the confined space. Also had a sub that had been undersea during the outbreak and remained submerged for as long as they could. A crew member died and stayed dead until the sub had to surface. And Max Brooks World War Z had the US gov't relocated to hawaii after the military cleared the islands [[user:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I really believe that the climbing number of gun owners in America and how much ammo is bought at the civlian level might work towards making a zombie outbreak impossible or at least controllable. None of the zombie books including Brooks really touch on the American gun culture [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:I have watched some episodes of a reality show which has followed new episodes of TWD on the AMC Sunday night lineup. "Comic Book Men" is the show which I am referring to here. (No, I am not a fan of this show. How this show got renewed for a second season is beyond me, but apparently somebody at AMC decided to renew it.) I believe it was during an episode of this reality show during its first season when Ming, one of the comic book store employees, made a personal revelation about his greatest fear in life being the zombie apocalypse. Walt, another comic book store employee, then gave Ming a look of incredulity and said to him something like, "Dude, don't you realize how many guns there are in this country?" What Walt said there was one of the few things that I have ever liked about this "Comic Book Men" reality show. "Comic Book Men" is a reality show which takes place in the vehemently anti-gun state of New Jersey, where less than 10% of the population shoots and/or owns guns legally, and I would not at all be surprised if none of the stars of this reality show have ever actually owned or fired a real gun in their entire lives. Despite this, at least one of this show's stars, Walt, seemed to understand that a considerable gun culture truly does exist in most states outside of New Jersey. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

::As for Max Brooks, the author of several "zombie survival" books, the guy's Wikipedia page says that he was born in New York City and raised by Hollywood director Mel Brooks and Hollywood actress Anne Bancroft. Being raised in the insanely anti-gun environment of New York City by parents with Hollywood careers and presumably left-leaning and anti-gun viewpoints, and then growing up to become a "Saturday Night Live" comedy writer based in New York City, would lead me to believe that Max Brooks never got to learn much of anything about real-life gun ownership and marksmanship at any point in his life whatsoever. Assuming that this is the case, this would then also explain why Max Brooks, along with other zombie-genre authors and writers with similar non-gun-owning life histories to his own, all seem to have failed to account for the prevalence of the American gun culture in real life when they crafted their fictional tales of zombie outbreaks somehow being able to entirely overwhelm America, and the rest of this world even, to the point where a complete societal breakdown becomes the end result. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::While I think Max Brooks' books are ridiculous in almost every aspect, I have some trouble with you're whole New York theory. I grew up and still live in Massachusetts, a very anti-gun state. My mother was and still is very anti-gun. That didn't stop me from getting into gun culture and learning a lot about it. I have also been shooting at the Smith & Wesson range many times, although it has been closed for quite some time. That being said, I don't think you should jump to conclusions simply because of where someone was born and raised. Not all of a parent's beliefs are passed down to their children. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (EST)

I haven't read the Zombie Survival Guide, but I have read World War Z (which is fucking awesome). One of the survivors makes a point that panicked gun owners shooting other uninfected people actually caused more casualties during the opening stages of the infection ("The Great Panic" as it's called in the book) than the living dead. I'd say it's a fair point, which actually makes the "more guns for all" theory work against America in that context. - Phalanx

:Max Brooks is nothing but just another "limousine liberal" gun-hating libtard elitist who grew up in New York City and Hollywood with the figurative silver spoon in his mouth. I did my research on Max Brooks and I was not impressed. I read his Zombie Survival Guide too. I surely will never buy his World War Z book though. Eff him and that book, seriously. Max Brooks dissed the original M-16 rifle in his Zombie Survival Guide, but that was probably because he had read about the feed problems which the US Army had had with the M-16 rifle in Vietnam some 45+ years ago. If Max Brooks had ever tried joining the US Military sometime around 1990 or so when he had turned 18, then he would have known that the successor of the the original M-16 rifle from the Vietnam era was by then a markedly much better rifle, because he would likely have been issued the M-16A2 rifle at that time. Instead, Max Brooks went to a small liberal arts college in California that kicked the ROTC program off of campus in 1991, and has had outright Communists and radical leftists as commencement speakers all throughout the 2000's in addition to himself. For all we know, Max Brooks was probably all in favor of all of these policy decision at his Alma mater. It only figures that a typical gun-hater libtard like Max Brooks would put an anti-gun-owner jab into his World War Z book. Max Brooks also dissed TWD TV show simply because his friend was fired from it. To reiterate, eff Max Brooks and his books. I will also say the same about whatever movies he is associated with in the future. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Guys, there's a forum for this sort of thing, can we knock it off here? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:23, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:You mean there is a forum for discussion on how clueless Max Brooks is about firearms in general, even though he professes to know which firearms are the best for surviving a zombie apocalypse? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 18:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::What part of "knock it off" is complicated? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::Boy, that escalated quickly. I make a chance remark about a novel and you go on a paranoid rant about "radical leftists" and "communists". Never mind that the reference in the book is from a chapter in which the US Military fights a pitched battle with the zombies and Brooks is broadly correct (if somewhat simplistic, but it's a zombie novel, not "Guns and Ammo") about a dozen weapons systems used by the US Armed Forces. Let's slam him for being, according to you, a "libtard" (because he went to a liberal college, shock horror. As opposed to all of those conservative colleges out there, oh wait). Never mind that the book is stuffed to the gills with soldiers behaving in exemplary ways and basically flat out says "the USA won in Afghanistan and Iraq but the public won't acknowledge it".
And frankly, while I'm not saying that every gun owner is a paranoid recluse who thinks the government is reading his thoughts and is ready to greet a Jehova's Witness knocking unexpectedly at his door with a blast of full-auto, to go the opposite and say that every gun owner is a saintly god of trigger discipline and restraint is equally biased. Just go on youtube and you'll find a host of tacticool retards showing off their new piece with fingers on the trigger, pointing it at themselves, et cetera. I've seen cops with appallingly bad drills. Hell, there's even that famous video of the cop doing a gun safety demonstration shooting himself. My point is, there's apparently 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. That equates to what, a very, very conservative 27,000,000 people who own guns? If even a conservative one in 10,000 of said people is a dangerous idiot, or even just not equipped to deal with the stress of, oh, I dunno, THE END OF THE WORLD AND COMPLETE SOCIAL COLLAPSE, then you've still got 270,000+ instances of manslaughter. -Phalanx

::::To add to what Phalanx has to say, we'd also have to worry about less than honest people like the Governor and his band of misfits, Dave and Tony's group of bandit rapists, and possibly even rogue military and police elements. The living can be just as dangerous, if not more so than, the dead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:58, 3 December 2012 (EST)

:::::Also God help your soul if you run into a group like The Hunters from the comics.....[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2012 (EST)

::::::Yeah, precisely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:20, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::All I know is I really enjoyed WWZ and could care less about Max Brooks politics. Same goes for saving private Ryan and the Director of that movie. Can't understand how someone can trash a book they haven't read. What's next? Trashing an AK-47 after never having ever fired one because it was made in a communist country? So silly.
::::::::Well, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Anyway, I'm glad the OP brought this up, because I always wondered what a USN DDG out at sea would have done in this situation, or a bunch of SEALs at Coronado or Little Creek, VA, in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:29, 18 February 2013 (EST)

== Guns in S03 E06 ==

One gun looks like a Walther P38.

Neil's gun (picked up by Merle after he kills him) looks like a Walther P9.

The other guy in Merle's party appears to have a Glock of some sort but isn't clear enough to be sure...90% certain of it though. Will upload screenshots later maybe.

Finally figured it out:

[[File:P38TWD.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

[[File:P9Merle.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Whatever this is, it isn't a Glock. The slide's way too round, and the trigger & guard are not the Glock style. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 07:41, 24 February 2013 (EST)
:It's ID'd on the main page, its a Walther P99. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 24 February 2013 (EST)

== Finally! Blanks! ==

In the episode "Made To Suffer"(This episode was F#$KING awesome) it appeared that many of the guns were shooting and cycling blanks. The first and most obvious one was the 870 used by Shupert, it looked like both Daryl's AKMS and Rick's M4A1 were cycling blanks at times, Maggie's P99 seemed to shoot blanks in one or two scenes, and many other random guns during the shootout in Woodbury.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:13, 3 December 2012 (EST)
:I'm not so sure they were actually cycling blanks all the time. The M4 looked like it was CGI muzzle flashes, there was a close shot of Daryl's AKMS that was cycling blanks but the wider shots looked more like CGI muzzle flashes. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:40, 4 December 2012 (EST)

:I agree totally. They are indefinably not using blanks in all the shots, though I could have sworn seeing Rick's M4 shooting blanks in scene or two, but most definitely not the whole shootout. and you cannot say that the 870 used by Shupert wasn't shooting blanks, I could even see flames coming out of the ejection port when he racked the action.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (EST)

:I just saw a video about the making of this episode and it has a lot of talk about the guns in the episode. The link is here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9oA6PYyYc --[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:15, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== More rifles ==

Episode 8, saw a CX4 Storm and a 20 inch AR-15 series rifle with either a tan handguard or tape on it and what looked to be a cali style grip, either that or the actor was holding it strangely. Both in the background, but I'm positive it's an AR-15, but the CX4 could possibly be a dressed up Hi-Point. There were also 1 or 2 AK variants with wooden furniture, possibly Norincos, didn't see if the FSP was hooded or not (possibly a PolyTech), an AR-15 carbine with a rail system and a SOCOM stock as well as a full sized Uzi,a suppressed micro Uzi and what appears to be a Remington 870 with wooden furniture and several MP5Ks. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 16:50, 3 December 2012 (EST)

*Minor Spoiler Alert* In the promo for the second half of season 3, the Governor (David Morrissey) can be seen firing what looks like a Steyr AUG (one handed no less). Renegadefunk44 20:41 December 3 2012 (EDT)
:That was definitely a Steyr AUG he was shooting, looked like an A1 model with the built in scope. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 09:42, 4 December 2012 (EST)
I think Daryl's gun might actually be a Type 56 this episode. If nothing else it is definitely a different gun to te previous AKMS as it has a different rail system. Also in some shots you can see that it has the wide front sight, and a couple of times it looked like it could have been hooded to me, but can't find a totally clear shot to confirm. When was the background possibly Cali AR-15, I can't find it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 4 December 2012 (EST)

It was in the background of the Governor's speech at the end, around the same time the CX4 appeared. I think it's the same AKMS though, it looks like the same WASR, but could maybe be a Type 56 with a Tapco RIS [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 12:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)
:I am fairly sure it is a different gun to the WASR as it has the magazine well dimples and a rear sight rail. Also, there are either two different similar looking guns used in this episode or they changed the muzzle device as in some shots it is an AKM slant compensator, and in others it has a straight cylindrical (and it isn't that the cylindrical one is a BFA, as the slant one is seen in blank firing shots. The cylindrical muzzle can be seen when Glenn is handed the AKM (which I think is an editing mistake, as Daryl arrives and is reloading the AKM, next shot Glenn has it, then Daryl has it back before handing it to Glenn before he throws the grenade). Also, I think the RIS matches [http://www.gamepod.com/ak47-full-ris-p-174.html this] airsoft one (don't know if this is based on a real accessory or is airsoft only). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Pump action sound effect on double barrel shotgun ==
In episode seven, when the hermit aims his break open shotgun at Rick, it sounded like the generic sound effect of a pump action was used, despite not being a pump action.
[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 0:21 4 December 2012 (EST)
:It is possible. The post-production guys may not have known much about firearms and could have added that SFX in. Same thing happened in the 2005 Christian Bale film ''[[Harsh Times]]'', where a pump-racking SFX was added to an [[Armsel Srtiker]]. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:27, 18 February 2013 (EST)

==Shane's Shotgun==
Anybody catch what type of shotgun the resident of Woodbury mistaken for Shane was carrying? --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 13:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Judging by the ones earlier, I think it was an 870 [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] ([[User talk:Recon42|talk]]) 17:34, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Spoilers in BDA Picture ==

Is the shot of Carl's ([[Chandler Riggs]]) BDA in "Killer Within" (S3EO4) really necessary, It reveals a pretty big and sad spoiler to the episode. Thanks to whoever blurred out the picture, I really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 23:50, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== The Return of Bernthal (Shane) ==

In "Made to Suffer" rick has a hallucination that ''Shane'' ([[Jon Bernthal]]) is walking towards him during the Woodburry shootout. He is armed with some pump action shotgun. the scene is rather dark but it looks like it might be an 870 with synthetic furniture. I don't know how to screencap otherwise I would add this, but if someone else could I would really appreciate it.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

== Please help ID ==

Not sure about what kind of rifle this is. Colt 933? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)
[[File:TWDS3E09 16.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:The barrel is too short to be a 933. I would say a [[Mk. 18 Mod 0]], or a civilian copy. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I agree, it is close to the below weapon except without the vertical grip:[[File:Mk18.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, Crane stock, and RIS foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]They both have crane stocks and LMT rear sights, but the show gun has the sight mounted backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== FN FAL? ==
'''WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD.'''
When the prison got attacked at the end of the latest episode, I'm pretty sure I saw one of the attackers firing off an FN FAL with an ELCAN sight. Could somebody upload a pic of it, and correct me if I'm wrong? [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 01:22, 18 February 2013 (EST)

:Definitely an FAL.

==Mexican guy's revolver==
What revolver was the mexican guy on the bridge using? It looked like merele had an old model 10 or M&P

:The revolver on the bridge appeared to be some type of Webley. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:49, 18 February 2013 (EST)
::Judging by the grip it must be a Webley "WG" Army Model but i just guessing here. --[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 12:31, 18 February 2013 (CST)

Merle had a Colt, maybe a Police Positive or Official Police [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (EST)

== Haley's gun ==

I just watched episode 8 to 9 again and discovered the Haley was using a suppressed mini Uzi can anybody get pictures of it. [[User:Balin21|User:Balin21]]

== Mossberg 590 (Shane's) Season 3 ==

In the first 2 season's Shane's Mossberg 590 has Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's NRS stock on it. From the screen caps already up for season 3, its changed to the Knoxx BLACKHAWK! Spec Op's Recoil Suppression version. You can tell by the fact that the piece that bolts into the back of the shotgun is shorter. Allowing for the body of the shotgun to recoil back. The NRS model... Well the older Gen 1 version, the piece that bolts to the shotgun continues back to where the adjustable stock begins.

== The Governor's AUG ==

When the Governor's men attack the prison, The Governor himself is seen practically SPRAYING down the area with some type of Steyr-AUG variant, having relative accuracy with that and his Beretta despite the distance and having only one eye.- [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:My problem with the show is that they constantly are spraying bullets when they know for a fact that ammo is hard to come by. Episode one, the guy sprayed his MP5K and most likely wasted 6 rounds before getting that head shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 19 February 2013 (EST)
::I saw the logistical fail with that, as well. Plus, wouldn't having only one eye, which is a relatively new injury for the Gov to have, screw up your depth perception quite a bit, let alone make you UNABLE to land a headshot with a 9mm handgun one-handed? I love this show but the firearms logistics within it are beginning to wear me down. -[[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
:::I'm relatively curious as to where he got the AUG from. Unlike the M4s or AKs in the show (which are military issue for the former, thus incredibly common and very popular civilian weapons for the latter), the AUG is not used by the US military (apart from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and AFAIK they use the full length 20 inch barrel model) and the variant he uses isn't the civilian A3 model which has a Picatinny rail in place of the scope. - [[User: Antediluvial|Antediluvial]]
::::Where they got it I have no idea, I figured it was one of those rare NFA guns floating around out there. As to why the waste of ammunition? I figured it was for the pure purpose of psychological warfare, to let the Atlanta group know that even if they survive this skirmish they can still come back with greater numbers of people and munitions than they'll ever have. Afterall in a world where ammunition is no longer being produced and highly prized, just casually blowing through it without any regard for conservation would suggest they have a large, large supply of it and they have no problem flaunting that.

he took out a national guard convoy, hes got plenty of ammo. better questions why ricks wasting so much.
: Because Officer Friendly is a cop, and in real life ammo conservation and accuracy aren't their best traits. Look at national averages for accuracy and how many rounds they discharge at times. Rick's back to facing live targets again, not just shambling walkers.

== "I Ain’t A Judas" hires promos ==

I came across a few hires promo photos from this episode, and the gun carried by Maggie got my attention:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0203.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:TWD GP 311 0921 0286.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
To me this looks like it has a Springfield M1903A3 action (A3 because of the horizontal dovetail a the back which would normally hold the aperture sight), does anyone know if there is a sporting rifle that uses this action, or is this a sporterised M1903A3? Also, Merle uses some sort of AR-15 SBR:
[[File:TWD GP 311 0919 0119.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:02, 21 February 2013 (EST)
:It's another Mk 18-type carbine, with Magpul folding BUIS (the front sight looks to be mounted backwards) and an AAC flash hider added to it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:55, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== Merle's Colt ==

I think, based on the size of the gun relative to Michael Rooker's hand, and the length of the cylinder, it's actually a Police Positive Special rather than an Official Police. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Remington 700 VLS ==

I changed the caliber on the picture of the VLS from .270 to .308 - I don't know for sure that it's a .308 but its definitely NOT a .270. Remington only makes the VLS in short action, which can't accomodate a .270. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Huge production error ==

Not really weapons related but anyone think it's a bit odd that they have a 2013 Hyundai, yet the apocalypse started in 2010? Is South Korea unaware people are eating each other and just shipping car around the world?

It's most likely an advertisement, the show's popular so Hyundai is probably a sponsor or something, and they decided to put in their newest car... But aren't we talking about guns here? This should go into 'bloopers' section on some movie website :) And You forgot to sign Your post (four ~) --[[User:Alisha161Fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161Fishy|talk]]) 16:03, 25 February 2013 (EST)

It's never stated in the show what year it is (unless I've missed something), so the car's presence is plausible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:05, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It's a 2013 Hyundai Tucson. I drive the same one haha. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] ([[User talk:Puppet.of.fate|talk]]) 20:28, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Well about cars and guns, I'll be a little forgiving on new toys mostly because the actual YEAR the show takes place in is never told to us. We can assume it is "present day" but it could be a couple years from now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== Machine gun ==

I cant figure out what type of machine gun is on the wall to woodbury it looks like a Browning 1919 can anyone confirm it.--[[User:Balin21|Balin21]] ([[User talk:Balin21|talk]]) 09:01, 25 February 2013 (EST)
: It could be but the rifle used by one of the guards looks to be a tactical'd SKS.
::It was definitely a 1919. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:15, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::An M1919 definitely but, and I watched the episode a few times to make sure, it seems the weapon is lying on it's side as the gunner appears to be holding the grip "gangsta" style. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::::No, it's right-side up I'm pretty sure the "grip" on the side he is holding is actually the charging handle. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 09:56, 2 March 2013 (EST)

== New episode an armory a lot of guns ect. ect. ==

Okay walking dead is almost over won't spoil it rick comes to a town with Michonne Carl finds a huge armory and something tells me that that we're gonna have some work ahead of us identifying it all i saw several Ar-15 variants an AK-47 variant several shotguns and what i believe to be a crate with an mk2 grenade on top a little bit convent that they need all this stuff I'll admit but still ... --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 22:01, 3 March 2013 (EST)

I saw the Remington 700 from the first season, Several AR-15 type rifles, I believe a .50 Rifle without a scope or iron sights, Another Crossbow (I was thinking a Ghost 400 due to the all black coloring) and various wood-stocked hunting guns. Morgan used an AR with an optic I couldn't identify. --[[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:35, 3 March 2013 (EST).
: Yeah i think the gun Morgan used on the rooftops and the ground i believe that's the one your talking about was a Colt 933 or a compact Ar like it i don't thinks its the mk18 we saw Merle use however oh and what i think is a Remington 700 PSS or SPS in back of Rick when he asked Michonne you think he crazy --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 00:26, 4 March 2013 (EST)
I saw an SKS in the racks (can tell by the front sight and bayonet mount) in a "Dragunov" style polymer stock with an AK magazine (probably the same gun the Woodbury Guard has). There is also a Steyr SSG 69 which is quite prominent, sitting on its bipod under the "Duane Turned" graffiti. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:34, 4 March 2013 (EST)

The Law Enforcement Carbine and M4A1/M203 from "Walk With Me" made a reappearance in Morgan's armory, too. I saw Rick pick up the former (it had the same fabric wrapping on the handguard as the one pictured in the Governor's hands) and the latter could be seen laying on its side next to Morgan while he was tied up. Prop-wise, all of these guns probably ''are'' the same ones used by the Woodbury Army. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 4 March 2013 (EST) p
:: Just saw a pic of the armory several AK-47 wooden furniture variants what i believe a MP5K on a table ( like spartan said these weapons are probably the same as the woodbury armory the mp5k prob being the one Martinez was using an a box of mk2 or i should say A CRATE fulled with mk2 grenades and what be appears to be a lee enfield but i can only see the underbelly of the weapon so not positive. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 11:41, 4 March 2013 (EST)
The black crossbow appears to be a Stryker Strykezone 380 or possibly the 350.