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= Attachments =

== Side Attachments ==

These mount on the right side of the weapon.

=== IR Pointer ===

The IR Laser Pointer gives the user a beam of light down the muzzle, giving off a NV-visible only laser that indicates the user's muzzle point. It's used by both BLUFOR and OPFOR.

[[Image:laser1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier takes cover under a street light, his IR Pointer illuminated in the night.]]

[[Image:laser2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A night-sight shot, showing his aim point with his IR Pointer.]]

=== Flashlight ===

The Flashlight is used as a low tech alternative to other night vision devices. It compromises one's visibility, though.

[[Image:light1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the pale moonlight, a soldier watches in silence, with his Flashlight mounted.]]

[[Image:light2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same soldier breaks stealth, and illuminates his path.]]

== Optics ==

These mount atop the weapon, on the optic rail. If a weapon has folding iron sights, they will fold down, but not all do.

=== ACO (Advanced Colliminator Optic) ===
The ACO is one of the few attachments with two versions, one for BLUFOR, and one for OPFOR and INDFOR. It appears to be based on the C-More Railway reflex sight.

[[Image:aco1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the ACO. The 3D view of the ACO is the same for both versions of the sight.]]
[[Image:aco2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The red version, seen here, is used by BLUFOR.]]
[[Image:aco4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The green one is used by OPFOR and INDFOR.]]
[[Image:aco3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NATO soldier, and his handy ACO sight.]]

=== Holosight ===
The Holosight is an EOTech-like sight, used by all factions. It is based on the EOTech XPS3.

[[Image:holo1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of the Holsight, mounted on an Varmit.]]
[[Image:holo2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sighted view of the Holosight. It's hard to see, but it has a small dot under the primary dot for drop comp.]]
[[Image:holo3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier takes close aim with his Holosight.]]

=== RCO (Rifle Combat Optic) ===

The RCO gives a 12x image, and has built in drop comp and a red dot sight mounted atop the optic. Used by the BLUFOR faction.

[[Image:rco1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of an MX with an RCO attached.]]

[[Image:rco2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The upper holosight on the RCO, used by a soldier camping in some bushes.]]

[[Image:rco3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The scope of the RCO. You can see the drop comp markers.]]

[[Image:rco4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A BLUFOR soldier targets a suspicious looking forest with his RCO.]]

=== ARCO (Advanced Rifle Combat Optic) ===

Despite the Advanced moniker, these are very similar to the RCO, both having built in drop comp, dot sight and 12x zoom. Used by the OPFOR faction.

[[Image:arco1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of an ARCO, mounted to a Katiba rifle. That power pole looks awful nasty.]]

[[Image:arco2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Holo sight of the ARCO. It seems that OPFOR sights have a predisposition to green.]]

[[Image:arco3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The scope of the ARCO. Still quite green. Also, note the built in drop comp.]]

[[Image:arco4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An OPFOR soldier poses in a field with his ARCO.]]

=== MRCO (Multi Range Combat Optic) ===

The MRCO is a simple, 10x optic, that can be toggled between non-zoomed, and zoomed view. It's used by the INDFOR AAF, and the BLUFOR FIA factions.

[[image:mrco1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An INDFOR soldier aims at some prime real estate, with his MRCO mounted to his Mk 20.]]

[[image:mrco2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The non-zoomed view of the MRCO, presumably added for balancing reasons.]]

[[image:mrco3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zoomed view. The MRCO also features drop comps.]]

[[image:mrco4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hiding by a dying bush, an Altian fighter aims down his MRCO.]]

=== SOS (Sniper Optical Sight) ===

The SOS is used with the anti-materiel rifles. It has a variable 10 to 84x zoom, and can be adjusted to hit up to 2300m targets. It's shared by all factions.

[[Image:sos1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of an SOS mounted on an M320, looking over a small Altis street.]]

[[Image:sos2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The BUIS of the SOS.]]

[[Image:sos3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scoped view of the SOS. Those mil-dots work, incidentally.]]

[[Image:sos4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sniper takes cover by a wall, and prepares his shot.]]

=== NVS (Night Vision Sight) ===

The NVS is used by the BLUFOR and INDFOR factions, and is a 10x night vision sight.

[[image:nvs1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A BLUFOR soldier aims his rifle down, his NVS mounted atop it.]]

[[image:nvs2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Said soldier takes aim down the street with his NVS.]]

[[image:nvs3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A moonlit view of the NVS.]]

=== TWS (Thermal Weapon Sight ===

The TWS is a high tech thermal/day sight, and comes in two variants. One for standard weapons, with a zoom range of 10-23x and rangefinding, and one designed for machine guns, with a zoom range of 10-27x. The TWS MG does not have zeroing, but does have drop comp markers. Both variants are universal between the factions.

[[image:tws1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NATO soldier hides behind a wall, a TWS mounted to his anti-mat rifle.]]

[[image:tws2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|White hot view down the TWS, aimed at a troupe of soldiers.]]

[[image:tws3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Those same soldiers, in Black hot view.]]

[[image:tws4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Daylight view of the TWS.]]

[[image:tws6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The TWS MG, in White hot view.]]

[[image:tws7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Black hot view of the TWS MG.]]

[[image:tws8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daylight view of the TWS MG.]]

[[image:tws5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hiding by some trees, a NATO takes very precise aim. The 3D model of the TWS and TWS MG are both the same.]]

=== Nightstalker ===

The Nightstalkers is a high tech nightvision/thermal/day sight, with a zoom range of 5-25x, and a rangefinder. It has the unique feature of identifying targets, the display of the rifle lighting up as one aims at a target. It is exclusive to the OPFOR faction.

[[image:nightstalker1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First person view of the Nightstalker, mounted on the Zafir. The thing is huge, and fills the view of the user very efficiently.]]

[[image:nightstalker2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The backup sight of the Nightstalker. Rather awkward to use.]]

[[image:nightstalker4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Daylight view of the Nightstalker.]]

[[image:nightstalker7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It's a little hard to see in the Night Vision view, but those diagonal green lines indicate when one is aiming at a target, whether it be a soldier, or a vehicle.]]

[[image:nightstalker5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Black hot view of the Nightstalker. This is the only attachment not to use plain BW thermal views.]]

[[image:nightstalker6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|White hot view of the Nightstalker.]]

[[image:nightstalker3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An OPFOR soldier lies in the dirt, taking aim down his fancy new Nightstalker sight.]]

=== MRD ===

The MRD is a pistol mounted collimator sight, mounted exclusively on heavy pistols. It's used by BLUFOR, and is typically on their 4-five pistols.

[[image:mrd1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier by some walls, with an MRD on his 4-five.]]

[[image:mrd2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Down the sights of the pistol mounted collimator.]]

[[image:A3rdsFNP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the MRD, as a BLUFOR soldier camps by some sandbags.]]

=== Yorris J2 ===

The Yorris J2 is a pistol mounted collimator sight, mounted on heavy pistols. It's a rough equivilent to the MRD, except for the OPFOR side.

[[image:yorris1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An OPFOR officer aiming up a hill with his rather bulky revolver.]]

[[image:yorris2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Down the sights of the the Yorris.]]

[[image:yorris3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I doubt this OPFOR officer is likely to stop anytime soon.]]

=== DMS ===

The DMS is a marksman optic with 12x zoom. It's used by the OPFOR side, typically mounted on their Rahim rifles. It has a small RDS mounted on the top, as well.

[[image:dms1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the DMS, as a soldier monitors a few walls closely.]]

[[image:dms2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This layout is very similar to that of the PSO-1. Those drop compensators and rangefinders work.]]

[[image:dms3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The RDS of the DMS.]]

[[image:dms4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier sights in with his DMS.]]

== Suppressors ==

These mount on the Muzzle slot of the weapon. No weapon needs to change ammo type if a suppressor is attached, though this may change post-Alpha.

=== 6.5mm Suppressor ===

This is used by every 6.5mm weapon, namely assault rifles.

[[Image:65supp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MX rifle, with a 6.5mm suppressor snapped on.]]

=== 5.56mm Suppressor ===

This is used on 5.56mm weapons, like the TRG-21, and the Mk 20.

[[image:556supp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The long end of a 5.56 suppressor.]]

=== 6.5mm LMG Suppressor ===

This is used exclusively by the Mk 200 machine gun, and the MX SW.

[[Image:65heavysupp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Mk 200 with a 6.5mm LMG suppressor attached.]]

=== 7.62mm Suppressor ===

Used by 7.62mm weapons, like the Mk 18, and the Zafir.

[[Image:762supp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MK 18 with a 7.62mm suppressor attached.]]

=== 9mm Suppressor ===

These snap on 9mm weapons, like pistols and SMGs.

[[Image:9supp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PDW2000 with a 9mm suppressor attached.]]

=== .45 Suppressor ===

Used by .45 weapons, like the ACP-C2, and the Vermin SMG.

[[image:45supp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The business end of the .45 suppressor looks suspiciously small.]]

= Other Variants =

== FN F2000 Tactical ==

The Mk 20 comes in two colour variants. The green camo variant is detailed on the main page. The plain brown version is on display here.

[[image:mk20PLAINhud.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the Mk 20 in Brown.]]

[[image:mk20PLAINworld.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the Mk 20 in Brown.]]

[[image:mk20cPLAINhud.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the Mk 20 C in Brown.]]

[[image:mk20cPLAINworld.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the Mk 20 C in Brown.]]

[[image:mk20eglmPLAINhud.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HUD view of the MK 20 EGLM in Brown.]]

[[image:mk20eglmPLAINworld.jpg|thumb|none|600px|World view of the Mk 20 EGLM in Brown.]]

= Discussion =
== F2000 Foregrip ==
The F2000's foregrip is a Monolith Arms Tri-Rail System. Since Monolith Arms got bought by Magpul, Magpul may start producing them. I don't know. But that's why the F2000 has the P90 style foregrip.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Halomfg/DSCN5779.jpg?t=1257801238
--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 03:35, 23 June 2011 (CDT)
:If they started producing them again I might actually take a look at buying an FS 2000. That Monolith Arms foregrip is just too badass. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:17, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

== Sniper rifle on the poster. ==

I put it down as a [[Barrett M99]], but can't be absolutely certain that its not a [[Barrett M95]] without seeing the magazine (of lack thereof), but the length of the forend makes me think M99. Can anyone who knows more about these confirm? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 09:52, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, the guys on BIS forums are guessing M95. Also, about that unknown gun, it kinda sorta could be the new Skorpion. The EVO one? [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 18:20, 26 June 2011 (CDT)
:I think your very well right about the unknown gun being the CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1, yep, it's defiantly it, way to go Tanaj! :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:51, 26 June 2011 (CDT)
::Well, to be honest I looked it up on their forum. But to my credit it was one of my guesses even before that. :) [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 09:02, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Machine gun - Caseless ammo? ==
Anyone else notice that the ammo appears to look like the LSAT's caseless round? (http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/lsat_ammunition-tfb.jpg for reference) --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:50, 28 June 2011 (CDT)
:Difficult to say, might be just an early model, but I do remember seeing a screenshot from the E3 presentation with a reload/pickup prompt with some more exotic round. 6.8 I think, but I'm not sure. [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 09:02, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

== Any ideas? ==

on what the unknown rifle is? i've seen the stock somewhere but the straight mag throws me (Could be for 6.5/6.8mm rounds) http://i.imgur.com/wUNOD.jpg
Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0tOSjYgGvHw#!

Looks to just be Bohemia's take on the Remington ACR, similar to their take on the KAC LMG. Stock seems to be a cross between the ACR adjustable stock and a Magpul UBR, receiver configuration looks to have the same profile. Same overall weapon profile, with some key differences (Like location of the charging handle, and rail system). But my money is that it was just based off of the ACR. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:50, 1 June 2012 (CDT)
:Confirmed by a inside source, its in game name is the MX, its the NATO standard rifle and it fires the 6.5 Grendel. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 06:36, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::Not so much inside source as its name being plastered on all the E3 infantry gameplay.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 06:31, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::: No, inside source, I've known for a few months but haven't been on the site for a while; the gurrilla's also use the tavor... [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 06:36, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
:::: Tavor was one of the first weapons shown. Post something unknown for credibility. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 10:07, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
::::: Well i would love to but i prefer to avoid breaking my NDA and losing €25,000... [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 19:22, 14 June 2012 (CDT)
Is it just me or does the magazine look too small for 6.5mm Grendel? Or maybe the scaling is just off in that first screenshot. Also, it is odd they have made the magazine straight, as the 6.5mm Grendel roung has a taper so the mag would need to be curved just like a .223. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:45, 7 June 2012 (CDT)
:That said, could it perhaps be chambered in some fictional caseless round? From what I understand (which is, granted, only stuff freely available online), the LSAT concept using a 5.56mm round isn't finalised and could be subject to change (assuming it ever sees the light of day). I suspect that this might be Bohemia's guess at what the LSAT rifle might look like. Just conjecture, but I thought it couldn't hurt to float the idea. [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 20:10, 4 July 2012 (CDT)

== Glock 19 ==
As noted as a PO7, it is most likely a place holder for the CZ PO7 Duty, thoughts? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 01:49, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:It's probably just a fictionalized name. ArmA II used G17 for it, and it looks like a nearly photo identical model was used for ArmA III. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 18:19, 2 February 2013

::Well, everything is possible. We'll just wait and see :P --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] ([[User talk:RaNgeR|talk]]) 13:49, 3 February 2013 (EST)

:::Something fun I noticed during a trawl through some Gamescon 2012 footage. [[Image:9x21.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
:::Click on that and expand it. The "Glock" is chambered in 9x21mm. It seems to mention a weapon similar to the PP-2000 as well. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 21:49, 8 Febuary 2013

== Alpha release on March 5th ==

The alpha release will be on March 5th. We've been promised 12 weapons. I'll try and find out which as soon as I can. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 22:48, 26 Febuary 2013

== Extended list of guns in the final game ==

In the Alpha a list of gun references were extracted from the files (with BIS's blessing). It may not be final or complete but it has some interesting entries:

* M200 LMG (KAC LMG)
* P07 (pistol)
* MK26 (revolver)
* Rook 40 (pistol)
* PDW2000 (pistol)
* P99 (pistol)
* Rhino (revolver)
* ACPC2 (pistol)
* Herstal 45 Tactical (pistol, FNP-45)
* Flaregun
* Tripwire flare (in the mines folder)
* MK16 (very few references)
* MK17 (very few references)
* MK20 (F2000)
* MX
* MX LMG
* MX DMR
* MX CQC
* TRG 20 (CTAR)
* TRG 21 (Tavor)
* Titan launcher
* RPG-32
* NLAW
* M26 explosives
* IED
* Scorpion
* SDAR (Keltec RFB)
* Keltec KSG
* M14 EBR
* Khaybar
* Cheytac M200 (called the M320 ingame)
* AA-40 (shotgun)
* Vector
* M4 SSAS (shotgun)
* Lynx GM6
* AK-107 (very few references)
* MM-1 (very few references)
* M67 grenade
* M18 smoke
* PDM-1M mine
* PMR-3 mine

== Beta Weapons Added ==

I just added the

-Scorpion
-Vector
-1911 alike
-F2000
-Negev
-Titan

I couldn't properly identify the 1911 and the Titan, so I've left them up for others to identify.

== How to Take Good Close-up Pics ==
In this case the game let's us skip having to position the player so we can get a good angle on a gun.

In the editor place any soldier. Then go to Empty -> Ammo and you will see a list of Ammo Crates you can place that contain any and every infantry weapon in the game. Click Preview to go ingame and then press Escape. Click the Camera button and the game will pause. You now have full control of the camera from position to depth of field to blur. You can zoom as close to any object as you want.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 12:57, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

:I'll keep that in mind. I'm going to to a total recall on all pictures when the game is on general release, and make new ones. I'm not happy with a lot of them. Mainly, I'm going to take pictures in more varied locations, with more varied soldiers. It always bugs me when it's obvious someone is farming screenshots. [[user:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 01:41, 4 August 2013 (GMT)

== Final game inventory pics from official site ==

http://www.arma3.com/launch-countdown

Under the weapons section the page has been updated with all the inventory pics of every gun in every single configuration. STK CPW is the PDW2000.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 18:44, 27 August 2013 (EDT)

== Seperation of Cut weapons and Final weapons ==

Very good, I wanted to do this at some point after release. I remained naive, asking for the KSG for ages. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] ([[User talk:Dannysaysnoo|talk]]) 07:19, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

== COMPLETE REFRESH OF PAGE FOR RELEASE VERSION ==

That's it. It took me about 7 hours straight, but I've replaced every blurry, grainy, useless image with a clean one from the release version. I've also added the Mk32 GMG, and added some text in some places. I'm real tired, and I need a nap. *Drops the mic* - [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] ([[User talk:Dannysaysnoo|talk]]) 00:54, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== How I Arranged The Page. ==

Part of my post-release screenshot fest was a severe rearranging of the order of firearms. I arranged them, by faction. NATO > CSAT > AAF > FIA. For the mounted weapons, I also arranged them by Mounted > Aircraft Mounted. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] ([[User talk:Dannysaysnoo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== Change the name of guns to their real life name ==

With most all of the guns in the game having fictional names, it's handy that a friend of mine produced a mod that changes names to something less silly. You can get it here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2sere6rpapdwk21/@FA_warname.zip [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] ([[User talk:Dannysaysnoo|talk]]) 12:21, 10 January 2014 (EST)

== New guns being added ==

The Marksmen DLC adds 7 new guns. Only artworks available so far. One has been IDed as the LWMMG.
http://arma3.com/marksmen-challenge#.VPMudGdyY2g
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

:The "Mk4 EMR" most definitely looks like a SIG SG-556 with features from the SG-556 DMR, and some sort of fictional .338 Magwell to me.
:[[Image:Sig556.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG SG 556 - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope]]
:--[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 11:59, 1 March 2015 (EST)

Talk:Arma 3

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Talk:Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

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Armyguy277:

I think it's safe to say that these aren't Gewehr 1898s. See below. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:35, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:MG98b-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The magazine that extends out of the rifle.]]
[[Image:MG98c-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Muzzle looks weird. ]]

Gewehr 1888's? It's got the fat muzzle. And the Austro-Hungarian Army did use a licensed copy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German_GEW_88.jpg] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:48, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, the rifle in the trailer has a visible magazine , the 98 does not have one. -G36Ghost.

== Mauser M712 ==

In the trailer between 32-34 seconds an unknown character can be seen loading a mazing into a C-96 pattern pistol, implying the M712. I would include this but am still somewhat unfamiliar with Wiki editing, and more importantly, how to upload a picture. Not to shirk responsibility, but if someone more knowledgeable can do it, thanks. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 21:28, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

== Man portable machine gun ==

There was a scene where Watson took hold of a weird weapon that looks like nothing I've ever seen before and fits a top shiny banana shaped magazine and was firing it full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:22, 17 December 2011 (CST)

The closest I can come is a Beretta M1918, though I have a feeling that's incorrect.[[User:pastorhack]]

:From how cumbersome and awkward it looked, think it could be a Villar-Perosa OVP M1918, the regular automatic carbine version of the [[Villar-Perosa submachine gun]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:58, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::Just noticed that it is actually visible for a few frames in the trailer:
::[[File:SH2 trailer SMG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::To me this doesn't look like and OVP or a Beretta M1918, so am stumped. Neither of these guns have a magazine well like this. The profile of the barrel looks a bit like the OVP but it is too thick. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that this weapon is mockup up from something else. This gun doesn't seem to have any sights, and that silver bit behind the magazine could be the receiver of a donor weapon which has a conventional layout. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:15, 18 December 2011 (CST)

== Anachronistic ==
this movie actualy takes place in 1891 and not 1882 as this artical states --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 14:03, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

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Armyguy277: /* anachronistic */

I think it's safe to say that these aren't Gewehr 1898s. See below. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:35, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:MG98b-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The magazine that extends out of the rifle.]]
[[Image:MG98c-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Muzzle looks weird. ]]

Gewehr 1888's? It's got the fat muzzle. And the Austro-Hungarian Army did use a licensed copy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German_GEW_88.jpg] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:48, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, the rifle in the trailer has a visible magazine , the 98 does not have one. -G36Ghost.

== Mauser M712 ==

In the trailer between 32-34 seconds an unknown character can be seen loading a mazing into a C-96 pattern pistol, implying the M712. I would include this but am still somewhat unfamiliar with Wiki editing, and more importantly, how to upload a picture. Not to shirk responsibility, but if someone more knowledgeable can do it, thanks. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 21:28, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

== Man portable machine gun ==

There was a scene where Watson took hold of a weird weapon that looks like nothing I've ever seen before and fits a top shiny banana shaped magazine and was firing it full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:22, 17 December 2011 (CST)

The closest I can come is a Beretta M1918, though I have a feeling that's incorrect.[[User:pastorhack]]

:From how cumbersome and awkward it looked, think it could be a Villar-Perosa OVP M1918, the regular automatic carbine version of the [[Villar-Perosa submachine gun]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:58, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::Just noticed that it is actually visible for a few frames in the trailer:
::[[File:SH2 trailer SMG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::To me this doesn't look like and OVP or a Beretta M1918, so am stumped. Neither of these guns have a magazine well like this. The profile of the barrel looks a bit like the OVP but it is too thick. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that this weapon is mockup up from something else. This gun doesn't seem to have any sights, and that silver bit behind the magazine could be the receiver of a donor weapon which has a conventional layout. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:15, 18 December 2011 (CST)

== anachronistic ==
this movie actualy takes place in 1891 and not 1882 as this artical states --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 14:03, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

2011-12-18T20:03:24Z

Armyguy277:

I think it's safe to say that these aren't Gewehr 1898s. See below. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:35, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:MG98b-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The magazine that extends out of the rifle.]]
[[Image:MG98c-AGOS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Muzzle looks weird. ]]

Gewehr 1888's? It's got the fat muzzle. And the Austro-Hungarian Army did use a licensed copy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German_GEW_88.jpg] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:48, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

Also, the rifle in the trailer has a visible magazine , the 98 does not have one. -G36Ghost.

== Mauser M712 ==

In the trailer between 32-34 seconds an unknown character can be seen loading a mazing into a C-96 pattern pistol, implying the M712. I would include this but am still somewhat unfamiliar with Wiki editing, and more importantly, how to upload a picture. Not to shirk responsibility, but if someone more knowledgeable can do it, thanks. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 21:28, 28 October 2011 (CDT)

== Man portable machine gun ==

There was a scene where Watson took hold of a weird weapon that looks like nothing I've ever seen before and fits a top shiny banana shaped magazine and was firing it full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:22, 17 December 2011 (CST)

The closest I can come is a Beretta M1918, though I have a feeling that's incorrect.[[User:pastorhack]]

:From how cumbersome and awkward it looked, think it could be a Villar-Perosa OVP M1918, the regular automatic carbine version of the [[Villar-Perosa submachine gun]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:58, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::Just noticed that it is actually visible for a few frames in the trailer:
::[[File:SH2 trailer SMG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
::To me this doesn't look like and OVP or a Beretta M1918, so am stumped. Neither of these guns have a magazine well like this. The profile of the barrel looks a bit like the OVP but it is too thick. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that this weapon is mockup up from something else. This gun doesn't seem to have any sights, and that silver bit behind the magazine could be the receiver of a donor weapon which has a conventional layout. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:15, 18 December 2011 (CST)

== anachronistic ==
this movie actualy takes place in 1891 --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 14:03, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2011-12-03T01:13:16Z

Armyguy277: /* My God */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

__TOC__

== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocies the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarovs private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precident from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherant than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to disect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I havn't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Pattersons from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)
:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)
::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==
I am so glad with battlefield 3 and manly dice the are actually lisinieng to the comunity and soething evn better the are fixing incorrect guns Ex :"Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.
Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.
Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic)." from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2011-12-03T01:12:30Z

Armyguy277:

2010-12-09T19:51:12Z

Armyguy277: /* Series Finale */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

AUA/

I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG. Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

Talk:Stargate Universe

2010-11-20T13:03:15Z

Armyguy277: /* unknown scoped rifle */

Colonel Everett Young using a G36 as a crutch onboard the Destiny not a UMP, and a UMP is to short to be used as a crutch

Could someone help me identify a gun??

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/Xodez/normal_101_airpart1_003.jpg?t=1248127043

On the man lying down (Colonel Young) he has a gun in the cross draw holster and i think it looks alot like a 1911 but i'm not sure so if anyone could help :D

:Beretta 92FS.-protoAuthor

::Are you sure? I don't think it looks like a Beretta....

:Not sure entirely.-protoAuthor

::Looks alot like a Beretta Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:Custom M1911. It looks alot like one of my guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:The gun's grip looks EXACTLY like the one off of a Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said that already. At any rate, when the show actually airs, we'll get better looks at the sidearms anyway. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Definetely not a 1911 grips to wide and bulky

could it be a Para Ordnance varient

Yeah, my first thought is a double stack 1911. The grip looks a bit like my Kimber BP Ten II, but this is obviously a full size pistol. Take a look at this Para Ordnance P14-45. You can almost see the beaver-tail grip safety in the shadow and the barrel looks like a 1911, definitely not a Beretta. Looks pretty damn exact if you ask me... Eagleye1022

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=69

We can say that it is a 1911 from a production still... added the picture and the 1911 to the article--[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 15:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==So is this Stargate done ala Battlestar Galactica?==
Do I smell dark sets, moody lighting, grainy footage, shaky hand held camera work with snap zooms, edgy morbid themes? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. And silly looking aliens.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well BSG didn't have silly looking aliens. Plus all those shaky hand held camera action and rock music are for the trailers and promo. We'll have to see. I am NOT so sure about this new guy who seemed like a random kid they took from a teen comedy movie. I mean, almost all the characters are too young to be in Stargate. We're our Shepard/Cameron character? Where's our sexy or tough alien team member? Where's our fearless leader? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, I think the whole point of this series is to show what would happen when you took people pseudo trained for off world exploration and left them without leaders. They wanted to make this show more about the human element. That's probably why they don't have any battle hardened fearless leader types, because they're not supposed to be. [[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:40, 11 October 2009 (SMT)

::There may be more drama, but at the cost of believability. There are plenty of moments of brain-bendingly stupid or incompetent behaviour in this show (very little of which happened when Richard Dean Anderson, or Ben Browder, or the cast of Atlantis were at the helm), especially on the civilian side. Sometimes I wish there was a character like Galen Tyrol from BSG (played by Aaron Douglas--he needs his own page with his own new Canadian show "The Bridge") to get up and scream "This is not a democracy! We follow the LT!" into some of the civilian's ears, as he did in Season 2 of nBSG. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen caps up ==

Most are from promo photos, but a couple are from trailers. Have yet to see one P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And the first episodes of this new series is out. Not too exciting and not one gun fired in the entire episode. Disappointing already [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==Screen cap==

I'm just wondering what program are used to get the screen caps??

Well I download the episode and my player, which is Jet Audio, has a button you press for screen caps. I have to time it cause there's a delay in the button, but that aside, it works pretty well. I have to watch out for which kind of file I save it under. And whoever you are, don't forget to use "[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)" to sign your username so we know who said what. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Air III: M9==
While watching Air III i noticed that Greer chambered his M9 several times without shooting it inbetween. First when he draw it on Rush when they begin brawling over water and then later when he gives it to Eli. --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 16:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Number of weapons ==
I remember that in the season premier, they were counting the guns and said that including sidearms, they only had 23 with them. I guess this limits the guns to what we have already seen on the show so far. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I remember Greer saying 40 something --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It is 23. I recorded Air 1 and played it back. At first I thought Greer said 43 but it's 23. [[Bad Boy]]

== P90 ==
I removed the P90 until it is seen on the show --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

: Saw the P90 on the Stargate magazine a month ago. It will be on the show. They just haven't aired it yet. I put the P90 section as a placeholder to save me TIME. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Check out this video==

Just released last week, armorer Rob Fournier shows off some of the weapons used on the episode "Time".

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"It's called a mag. A clip is something women use to put in their hair." Ha. Love it. Very nice.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a great video, this guy know his stuff, except when he mis-identify the G36K as the KV. Look like there will be dual sight G36Ks coming. Didn't the guy clearly stated that the UMP fire .45 ACP rounds? How come the UMP section says .40 instead? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:The "KV" is what H&K calls the export version of the G36K now, so he actually got it correct. As for the UMP section, that's a mistake on the part of the person who wrote the section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::But the G36K he got in his hand clearly got dual sight, so it can't be the KV right? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Nope, because the carry handle/sights are easily replaceable. The only difference between the German military-issue G36s and the Export models is that the ''Bundeswehr'' gets the dual sights for free, while export customers have to pay extra for it. The only way to know the difference for sure is by looking at what it says on the receiver. But any movie or TV show filmed outside of Germany will be using export models (including this show, which is filmed in Canada), so short answer is that the G36Ks in this show would have to be the KV model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:I put down that the UMP is a .40 because it's hard to tell because both the .40 and the .45 UMPs uses the straight magazine. So if it is IDed by the armorer that it is a .45, then change it. I just lost my torrent site for movies, and TV shows, so until I find a new one, I won't be capping a lot anymore. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a .45. At first I thought the armorer said .40 which is what I put down but it was very late at night and I didn't hear it well enough. My bad on that one. Also, whoever put the weapon holds 27 rounds and the armorer are wrong: The UMP .45 holds 25 rounds standard while the .40 and 9mm hold 30. [[Bad Boy]]

:So is it a .40 or a .45? In the video the armorer said that it held 30 rounds. I'm guessing that 'officially' it is a .45 in the stargate universe but it's really a .40 so that they can have longer shooting sequences with it. My guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Well in the video, the Armorer, say it fires a .45, but he also said it held 27 rounds. Maybe he got it mixed up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The Lucian Alliance ==

I see that the Lucian Alliance are using Chinese QBZ-95's and I'm sure I spotted a Saiga 12 along the way too, can anyone get screencaps and confirmation on this? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the Norinco type 97 since it's made in Canada. Dont think I saw a Saiga. Care to point out which scene had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well spotted, I knew they was some form of Chinese assault rifle. I'll attempt to locate the scene with it and get back to you.
--[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's odd since we can assume this is the same armorer that armed all the Stargate series, not one single P90 in sight. I swore i saw TJ with a P90 in a magazine once [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 ==

during the new episode (sesion two episode 3 Awakening) i saw a M16A2 or A4 with a M203 can some one get a screen shot

:Just rewatched the episode and didn't see any M16s or M203s, can you narrow down who was carrying it or when in the episode it was? The closest thing I saw was that the nameless soldiers carry M4s which sometimes have a torch on an offset mount on the side, which from certain angles could possibly look like an M203 at a glance.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:[[Image:Sguawak1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

i will have to rewatch it but there is a M16 with M203 i just forgety where it is and you can only see it for a second and it is held by a unnamed marine

ok it is held when they first find the weird alean and it is being escorted to te stARGATE IN FORCE so it can be brought back to earth --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

and it is a M16A2 here is what it looked like when i saw it --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg]]

::In total, the only armed people on the seeder ship are Scott and Greer with G36Ks, TJ with an M9, Telford with a .45 pistol of some sort (think a P-14), and Dunning and Marsden who are both carrying M4 type weapons with retractable stocks, RIS fore-ends and flashlights. Unless the version I am watching is slightly cut down, there is no M16 or M203 in this episode.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:I'll take a look at the episode again. You say it was when they were taking the alien back to the Destiny and one of the guards had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think I see a scene, but it looks like it could possibly be an M4 with an M203 because the scene where they had found the alien and it was sitting on the floor, one of the Marines appears to have an M4 with an M203. They never focus it at all but they do focus on the soldiers upper chest area and they had the M4 stocks, so it could be an M4 with an M203. Then again, it is REALLY hard to tell because the camera was not focused on this guy at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:::[[Image:Sguawakm4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:::This is an image of Marsden's weapon just as the alien escapes. I can see how you might think it is an M203 as it is never clearly shown, but am 99% sure it is a tac-light or something that it mounted on the right side rail of his weapon, but is using an offset mount so that it looks like it is beneath, like the weapons the guards have in the cap I posted earlier.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 08:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

::::[[Image:Sguawakm43.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
::::Here is a better shot of it showing that whatever is on it is mounted on the side, and has shiny glass at the front of it.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 08:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:::[[Image:Sguawakm42.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:::And for completeness, here is Dunning's rifle. As you can see, same deal just a flashlight.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 08:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice to see different weapons. I know it's the military, but some variations would be nice. I miss the P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:Also, the stranded in another galaxy thing makes logistics tricky.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 18:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Good point, but we can just suspend disbelief that a majority of the Marines had standard weapons, but a handful could of had MP5s, or shotguns, etc [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== unknown scoped rifle ==
during the newest SGU episiode (Malice) i saw a unknow scped rifle it was in ther hands of one of the marines woundied by Simeon`s IED --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 13:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

2010-11-14T23:14:34Z

Armyguy277: /* Just wondering */

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-09T21:44:16Z

Armyguy277: /* What kind of tank was that? */

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-09T21:44:01Z

Armyguy277: /* What kind of tank was that? */

File:The walking dead.png

2010-11-09T21:42:57Z

Armyguy277:

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-09T21:33:06Z

Armyguy277: /* What kind of tank was that? */

The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-03T19:44:20Z

Armyguy277: /* Browning M2HB */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside an Abrams tank.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can also be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT Grimes takes refuge in ,numerous Bell UH-1 Iroquois and is also seen on a IAV Stryker. In a continuity error, it was seen still loaded but in the next scene, it was missing the ammo.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]

The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-03T19:43:02Z

Armyguy277: /* Browning M2HB */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside an Abrams tank.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can also be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT Grimes takes refuge in and on numerous Bell UH-1 Iroquois. In a continuity error, it was seen still loaded but in the next scene, it was missing the ammo.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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[[Category:Zombie]]
[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]

User talk:45ACPfan

2010-10-22T19:19:42Z

Armyguy277: /* World in conflit */

== World in conflit ==

do you know how was working on the world in conflict page becuse it is left half done--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Torchwood

2010-10-18T20:10:16Z

Armyguy277: /* Unidentified Firearms/airsoft weapons etc */

Talk:Stargate Universe

2010-10-17T22:31:45Z

Armyguy277: /* M16 */

Colonel Everett Young using a G36 as a crutch onboard the Destiny not a UMP, and a UMP is to short to be used as a crutch

Could someone help me identify a gun??

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/Xodez/normal_101_airpart1_003.jpg?t=1248127043

On the man lying down (Colonel Young) he has a gun in the cross draw holster and i think it looks alot like a 1911 but i'm not sure so if anyone could help :D

:Beretta 92FS.-protoAuthor

::Are you sure? I don't think it looks like a Beretta....

:Not sure entirely.-protoAuthor

::Looks alot like a Beretta Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:Custom M1911. It looks alot like one of my guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:The gun's grip looks EXACTLY like the one off of a Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said that already. At any rate, when the show actually airs, we'll get better looks at the sidearms anyway. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Definetely not a 1911 grips to wide and bulky

could it be a Para Ordnance varient

Yeah, my first thought is a double stack 1911. The grip looks a bit like my Kimber BP Ten II, but this is obviously a full size pistol. Take a look at this Para Ordnance P14-45. You can almost see the beaver-tail grip safety in the shadow and the barrel looks like a 1911, definitely not a Beretta. Looks pretty damn exact if you ask me... Eagleye1022

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=69

We can say that it is a 1911 from a production still... added the picture and the 1911 to the article--[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 15:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==So is this Stargate done ala Battlestar Galactica?==
Do I smell dark sets, moody lighting, grainy footage, shaky hand held camera work with snap zooms, edgy morbid themes? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. And silly looking aliens.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well BSG didn't have silly looking aliens. Plus all those shaky hand held camera action and rock music are for the trailers and promo. We'll have to see. I am NOT so sure about this new guy who seemed like a random kid they took from a teen comedy movie. I mean, almost all the characters are too young to be in Stargate. We're our Shepard/Cameron character? Where's our sexy or tough alien team member? Where's our fearless leader? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, I think the whole point of this series is to show what would happen when you took people pseudo trained for off world exploration and left them without leaders. They wanted to make this show more about the human element. That's probably why they don't have any battle hardened fearless leader types, because they're not supposed to be. [[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:40, 11 October 2009 (SMT)

::There may be more drama, but at the cost of believability. There are plenty of moments of brain-bendingly stupid or incompetent behaviour in this show (very little of which happened when Richard Dean Anderson, or Ben Browder, or the cast of Atlantis were at the helm), especially on the civilian side. Sometimes I wish there was a character like Galen Tyrol from BSG (played by Aaron Douglas--he needs his own page with his own new Canadian show "The Bridge") to get up and scream "This is not a democracy! We follow the LT!" into some of the civilian's ears, as he did in Season 2 of nBSG. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen caps up ==

Most are from promo photos, but a couple are from trailers. Have yet to see one P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And the first episodes of this new series is out. Not too exciting and not one gun fired in the entire episode. Disappointing already [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==Screen cap==

I'm just wondering what program are used to get the screen caps??

Well I download the episode and my player, which is Jet Audio, has a button you press for screen caps. I have to time it cause there's a delay in the button, but that aside, it works pretty well. I have to watch out for which kind of file I save it under. And whoever you are, don't forget to use "[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)" to sign your username so we know who said what. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Air III: M9==
While watching Air III i noticed that Greer chambered his M9 several times without shooting it inbetween. First when he draw it on Rush when they begin brawling over water and then later when he gives it to Eli. --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 16:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Number of weapons ==
I remember that in the season premier, they were counting the guns and said that including sidearms, they only had 23 with them. I guess this limits the guns to what we have already seen on the show so far. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I remember Greer saying 40 something --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It is 23. I recorded Air 1 and played it back. At first I thought Greer said 43 but it's 23. [[Bad Boy]]

== P90 ==
I removed the P90 until it is seen on the show --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

: Saw the P90 on the Stargate magazine a month ago. It will be on the show. They just haven't aired it yet. I put the P90 section as a placeholder to save me TIME. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Check out this video==

Just released last week, armorer Rob Fournier shows off some of the weapons used on the episode "Time".

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"It's called a mag. A clip is something women use to put in their hair." Ha. Love it. Very nice.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a great video, this guy know his stuff, except when he mis-identify the G36K as the KV. Look like there will be dual sight G36Ks coming. Didn't the guy clearly stated that the UMP fire .45 ACP rounds? How come the UMP section says .40 instead? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:The "KV" is what H&K calls the export version of the G36K now, so he actually got it correct. As for the UMP section, that's a mistake on the part of the person who wrote the section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::But the G36K he got in his hand clearly got dual sight, so it can't be the KV right? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Nope, because the carry handle/sights are easily replaceable. The only difference between the German military-issue G36s and the Export models is that the ''Bundeswehr'' gets the dual sights for free, while export customers have to pay extra for it. The only way to know the difference for sure is by looking at what it says on the receiver. But any movie or TV show filmed outside of Germany will be using export models (including this show, which is filmed in Canada), so short answer is that the G36Ks in this show would have to be the KV model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:I put down that the UMP is a .40 because it's hard to tell because both the .40 and the .45 UMPs uses the straight magazine. So if it is IDed by the armorer that it is a .45, then change it. I just lost my torrent site for movies, and TV shows, so until I find a new one, I won't be capping a lot anymore. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a .45. At first I thought the armorer said .40 which is what I put down but it was very late at night and I didn't hear it well enough. My bad on that one. Also, whoever put the weapon holds 27 rounds and the armorer are wrong: The UMP .45 holds 25 rounds standard while the .40 and 9mm hold 30. [[Bad Boy]]

:So is it a .40 or a .45? In the video the armorer said that it held 30 rounds. I'm guessing that 'officially' it is a .45 in the stargate universe but it's really a .40 so that they can have longer shooting sequences with it. My guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Well in the video, the Armorer, say it fires a .45, but he also said it held 27 rounds. Maybe he got it mixed up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The Lucian Alliance ==

I see that the Lucian Alliance are using Chinese QBZ-95's and I'm sure I spotted a Saiga 12 along the way too, can anyone get screencaps and confirmation on this? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the Norinco type 97 since it's made in Canada. Dont think I saw a Saiga. Care to point out which scene had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well spotted, I knew they was some form of Chinese assault rifle. I'll attempt to locate the scene with it and get back to you.
--[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's odd since we can assume this is the same armorer that armed all the Stargate series, not one single P90 in sight. I swore i saw TJ with a P90 in a magazine once [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 ==

during the new episode (sesion two episode 3 Awakening) i saw a M16A2 or A4 with a M203 can some one get a screen shot

:Just rewatched the episode and didn't see any M16s or M203s, can you narrow down who was carrying it or when in the episode it was? The closest thing I saw was that the nameless soldiers carry M4s which sometimes have a torch on an offset mount on the side, which from certain angles could possibly look like an M203 at a glance.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

i will have to rewatch it but there is a M16 with M203 i just forgety where it is and you can only see it for a second and it is held by a unnamed marine

ok it is held when they first find the weird alean and it is being escorted to te stARGATE IN FORCE so it can be brought back to earth --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

and it is a M16A2 here is what it looked like when i saw it --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg]]

:[[Image:Test.png|th umb|500px|none|]]

Talk:Stargate Universe

2010-10-17T22:31:23Z

Armyguy277: /* M16 */

Colonel Everett Young using a G36 as a crutch onboard the Destiny not a UMP, and a UMP is to short to be used as a crutch

Could someone help me identify a gun??

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/Xodez/normal_101_airpart1_003.jpg?t=1248127043

On the man lying down (Colonel Young) he has a gun in the cross draw holster and i think it looks alot like a 1911 but i'm not sure so if anyone could help :D

:Beretta 92FS.-protoAuthor

::Are you sure? I don't think it looks like a Beretta....

:Not sure entirely.-protoAuthor

::Looks alot like a Beretta Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:Custom M1911. It looks alot like one of my guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:The gun's grip looks EXACTLY like the one off of a Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said that already. At any rate, when the show actually airs, we'll get better looks at the sidearms anyway. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Definetely not a 1911 grips to wide and bulky

could it be a Para Ordnance varient

Yeah, my first thought is a double stack 1911. The grip looks a bit like my Kimber BP Ten II, but this is obviously a full size pistol. Take a look at this Para Ordnance P14-45. You can almost see the beaver-tail grip safety in the shadow and the barrel looks like a 1911, definitely not a Beretta. Looks pretty damn exact if you ask me... Eagleye1022

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=69

We can say that it is a 1911 from a production still... added the picture and the 1911 to the article--[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 15:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==So is this Stargate done ala Battlestar Galactica?==
Do I smell dark sets, moody lighting, grainy footage, shaky hand held camera work with snap zooms, edgy morbid themes? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. And silly looking aliens.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well BSG didn't have silly looking aliens. Plus all those shaky hand held camera action and rock music are for the trailers and promo. We'll have to see. I am NOT so sure about this new guy who seemed like a random kid they took from a teen comedy movie. I mean, almost all the characters are too young to be in Stargate. We're our Shepard/Cameron character? Where's our sexy or tough alien team member? Where's our fearless leader? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, I think the whole point of this series is to show what would happen when you took people pseudo trained for off world exploration and left them without leaders. They wanted to make this show more about the human element. That's probably why they don't have any battle hardened fearless leader types, because they're not supposed to be. [[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:40, 11 October 2009 (SMT)

::There may be more drama, but at the cost of believability. There are plenty of moments of brain-bendingly stupid or incompetent behaviour in this show (very little of which happened when Richard Dean Anderson, or Ben Browder, or the cast of Atlantis were at the helm), especially on the civilian side. Sometimes I wish there was a character like Galen Tyrol from BSG (played by Aaron Douglas--he needs his own page with his own new Canadian show "The Bridge") to get up and scream "This is not a democracy! We follow the LT!" into some of the civilian's ears, as he did in Season 2 of nBSG. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen caps up ==

Most are from promo photos, but a couple are from trailers. Have yet to see one P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And the first episodes of this new series is out. Not too exciting and not one gun fired in the entire episode. Disappointing already [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==Screen cap==

I'm just wondering what program are used to get the screen caps??

Well I download the episode and my player, which is Jet Audio, has a button you press for screen caps. I have to time it cause there's a delay in the button, but that aside, it works pretty well. I have to watch out for which kind of file I save it under. And whoever you are, don't forget to use "[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)" to sign your username so we know who said what. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Air III: M9==
While watching Air III i noticed that Greer chambered his M9 several times without shooting it inbetween. First when he draw it on Rush when they begin brawling over water and then later when he gives it to Eli. --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 16:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Number of weapons ==
I remember that in the season premier, they were counting the guns and said that including sidearms, they only had 23 with them. I guess this limits the guns to what we have already seen on the show so far. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I remember Greer saying 40 something --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It is 23. I recorded Air 1 and played it back. At first I thought Greer said 43 but it's 23. [[Bad Boy]]

== P90 ==
I removed the P90 until it is seen on the show --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

: Saw the P90 on the Stargate magazine a month ago. It will be on the show. They just haven't aired it yet. I put the P90 section as a placeholder to save me TIME. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Check out this video==

Just released last week, armorer Rob Fournier shows off some of the weapons used on the episode "Time".

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"It's called a mag. A clip is something women use to put in their hair." Ha. Love it. Very nice.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a great video, this guy know his stuff, except when he mis-identify the G36K as the KV. Look like there will be dual sight G36Ks coming. Didn't the guy clearly stated that the UMP fire .45 ACP rounds? How come the UMP section says .40 instead? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:The "KV" is what H&K calls the export version of the G36K now, so he actually got it correct. As for the UMP section, that's a mistake on the part of the person who wrote the section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::But the G36K he got in his hand clearly got dual sight, so it can't be the KV right? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Nope, because the carry handle/sights are easily replaceable. The only difference between the German military-issue G36s and the Export models is that the ''Bundeswehr'' gets the dual sights for free, while export customers have to pay extra for it. The only way to know the difference for sure is by looking at what it says on the receiver. But any movie or TV show filmed outside of Germany will be using export models (including this show, which is filmed in Canada), so short answer is that the G36Ks in this show would have to be the KV model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:I put down that the UMP is a .40 because it's hard to tell because both the .40 and the .45 UMPs uses the straight magazine. So if it is IDed by the armorer that it is a .45, then change it. I just lost my torrent site for movies, and TV shows, so until I find a new one, I won't be capping a lot anymore. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a .45. At first I thought the armorer said .40 which is what I put down but it was very late at night and I didn't hear it well enough. My bad on that one. Also, whoever put the weapon holds 27 rounds and the armorer are wrong: The UMP .45 holds 25 rounds standard while the .40 and 9mm hold 30. [[Bad Boy]]

:So is it a .40 or a .45? In the video the armorer said that it held 30 rounds. I'm guessing that 'officially' it is a .45 in the stargate universe but it's really a .40 so that they can have longer shooting sequences with it. My guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Well in the video, the Armorer, say it fires a .45, but he also said it held 27 rounds. Maybe he got it mixed up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The Lucian Alliance ==

I see that the Lucian Alliance are using Chinese QBZ-95's and I'm sure I spotted a Saiga 12 along the way too, can anyone get screencaps and confirmation on this? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the Norinco type 97 since it's made in Canada. Dont think I saw a Saiga. Care to point out which scene had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well spotted, I knew they was some form of Chinese assault rifle. I'll attempt to locate the scene with it and get back to you.
--[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's odd since we can assume this is the same armorer that armed all the Stargate series, not one single P90 in sight. I swore i saw TJ with a P90 in a magazine once [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 ==

during the new episode (sesion two episode 3 Awakening) i saw a M16A2 or A4 with a M203 can some one get a screen shot

:Just rewatched the episode and didn't see any M16s or M203s, can you narrow down who was carrying it or when in the episode it was? The closest thing I saw was that the nameless soldiers carry M4s which sometimes have a torch on an offset mount on the side, which from certain angles could possibly look like an M203 at a glance.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

i will have to rewatch it but there is a M16 with M203 i just forgety where it is and you can only see it for a second and it is held by a unnamed marine

ok it is held when they first find the weird alean and it is being escorted to te stARGATE IN FORCE so it can be brought back to earth --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
and it is a M16A2 here is what it looked like when i saw it

[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg]]

:[[Image:Test.png|th umb|500px|none|]]

Talk:Stargate Universe

2010-10-17T22:31:08Z

Armyguy277:

Colonel Everett Young using a G36 as a crutch onboard the Destiny not a UMP, and a UMP is to short to be used as a crutch

Could someone help me identify a gun??

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/Xodez/normal_101_airpart1_003.jpg?t=1248127043

On the man lying down (Colonel Young) he has a gun in the cross draw holster and i think it looks alot like a 1911 but i'm not sure so if anyone could help :D

:Beretta 92FS.-protoAuthor

::Are you sure? I don't think it looks like a Beretta....

:Not sure entirely.-protoAuthor

::Looks alot like a Beretta Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:Custom M1911. It looks alot like one of my guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:The gun's grip looks EXACTLY like the one off of a Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said that already. At any rate, when the show actually airs, we'll get better looks at the sidearms anyway. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Definetely not a 1911 grips to wide and bulky

could it be a Para Ordnance varient

Yeah, my first thought is a double stack 1911. The grip looks a bit like my Kimber BP Ten II, but this is obviously a full size pistol. Take a look at this Para Ordnance P14-45. You can almost see the beaver-tail grip safety in the shadow and the barrel looks like a 1911, definitely not a Beretta. Looks pretty damn exact if you ask me... Eagleye1022

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=69

We can say that it is a 1911 from a production still... added the picture and the 1911 to the article--[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 15:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==So is this Stargate done ala Battlestar Galactica?==
Do I smell dark sets, moody lighting, grainy footage, shaky hand held camera work with snap zooms, edgy morbid themes? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. And silly looking aliens.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well BSG didn't have silly looking aliens. Plus all those shaky hand held camera action and rock music are for the trailers and promo. We'll have to see. I am NOT so sure about this new guy who seemed like a random kid they took from a teen comedy movie. I mean, almost all the characters are too young to be in Stargate. We're our Shepard/Cameron character? Where's our sexy or tough alien team member? Where's our fearless leader? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, I think the whole point of this series is to show what would happen when you took people pseudo trained for off world exploration and left them without leaders. They wanted to make this show more about the human element. That's probably why they don't have any battle hardened fearless leader types, because they're not supposed to be. [[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:40, 11 October 2009 (SMT)

::There may be more drama, but at the cost of believability. There are plenty of moments of brain-bendingly stupid or incompetent behaviour in this show (very little of which happened when Richard Dean Anderson, or Ben Browder, or the cast of Atlantis were at the helm), especially on the civilian side. Sometimes I wish there was a character like Galen Tyrol from BSG (played by Aaron Douglas--he needs his own page with his own new Canadian show "The Bridge") to get up and scream "This is not a democracy! We follow the LT!" into some of the civilian's ears, as he did in Season 2 of nBSG. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen caps up ==

Most are from promo photos, but a couple are from trailers. Have yet to see one P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And the first episodes of this new series is out. Not too exciting and not one gun fired in the entire episode. Disappointing already [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==Screen cap==

I'm just wondering what program are used to get the screen caps??

Well I download the episode and my player, which is Jet Audio, has a button you press for screen caps. I have to time it cause there's a delay in the button, but that aside, it works pretty well. I have to watch out for which kind of file I save it under. And whoever you are, don't forget to use "[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)" to sign your username so we know who said what. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Air III: M9==
While watching Air III i noticed that Greer chambered his M9 several times without shooting it inbetween. First when he draw it on Rush when they begin brawling over water and then later when he gives it to Eli. --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 16:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Number of weapons ==
I remember that in the season premier, they were counting the guns and said that including sidearms, they only had 23 with them. I guess this limits the guns to what we have already seen on the show so far. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I remember Greer saying 40 something --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It is 23. I recorded Air 1 and played it back. At first I thought Greer said 43 but it's 23. [[Bad Boy]]

== P90 ==
I removed the P90 until it is seen on the show --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

: Saw the P90 on the Stargate magazine a month ago. It will be on the show. They just haven't aired it yet. I put the P90 section as a placeholder to save me TIME. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Check out this video==

Just released last week, armorer Rob Fournier shows off some of the weapons used on the episode "Time".

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"It's called a mag. A clip is something women use to put in their hair." Ha. Love it. Very nice.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a great video, this guy know his stuff, except when he mis-identify the G36K as the KV. Look like there will be dual sight G36Ks coming. Didn't the guy clearly stated that the UMP fire .45 ACP rounds? How come the UMP section says .40 instead? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:The "KV" is what H&K calls the export version of the G36K now, so he actually got it correct. As for the UMP section, that's a mistake on the part of the person who wrote the section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::But the G36K he got in his hand clearly got dual sight, so it can't be the KV right? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Nope, because the carry handle/sights are easily replaceable. The only difference between the German military-issue G36s and the Export models is that the ''Bundeswehr'' gets the dual sights for free, while export customers have to pay extra for it. The only way to know the difference for sure is by looking at what it says on the receiver. But any movie or TV show filmed outside of Germany will be using export models (including this show, which is filmed in Canada), so short answer is that the G36Ks in this show would have to be the KV model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:I put down that the UMP is a .40 because it's hard to tell because both the .40 and the .45 UMPs uses the straight magazine. So if it is IDed by the armorer that it is a .45, then change it. I just lost my torrent site for movies, and TV shows, so until I find a new one, I won't be capping a lot anymore. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a .45. At first I thought the armorer said .40 which is what I put down but it was very late at night and I didn't hear it well enough. My bad on that one. Also, whoever put the weapon holds 27 rounds and the armorer are wrong: The UMP .45 holds 25 rounds standard while the .40 and 9mm hold 30. [[Bad Boy]]

:So is it a .40 or a .45? In the video the armorer said that it held 30 rounds. I'm guessing that 'officially' it is a .45 in the stargate universe but it's really a .40 so that they can have longer shooting sequences with it. My guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Well in the video, the Armorer, say it fires a .45, but he also said it held 27 rounds. Maybe he got it mixed up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The Lucian Alliance ==

I see that the Lucian Alliance are using Chinese QBZ-95's and I'm sure I spotted a Saiga 12 along the way too, can anyone get screencaps and confirmation on this? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the Norinco type 97 since it's made in Canada. Dont think I saw a Saiga. Care to point out which scene had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well spotted, I knew they was some form of Chinese assault rifle. I'll attempt to locate the scene with it and get back to you.
--[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's odd since we can assume this is the same armorer that armed all the Stargate series, not one single P90 in sight. I swore i saw TJ with a P90 in a magazine once [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 ==

during the new episode (sesion two episode 3 Awakening) i saw a M16A2 or A4 with a M203 can some one get a screen shot

:Just rewatched the episode and didn't see any M16s or M203s, can you narrow down who was carrying it or when in the episode it was? The closest thing I saw was that the nameless soldiers carry M4s which sometimes have a torch on an offset mount on the side, which from certain angles could possibly look like an M203 at a glance.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

i will have to rewatch it but there is a M16 with M203 i just forgety where it is and you can only see it for a second and it is held by a unnamed marine

ok it is held when they first find the weird alean and it is being escorted to te stARGATE IN FORCE so it can be brought back to earth --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
and it is a M16A2 here is what it looked like when i saw it [[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg]]
:[[Image:Test.png|th umb|500px|none|]]

Talk:Stargate Universe

2010-10-17T22:27:30Z

Armyguy277: /* M16 */

Colonel Everett Young using a G36 as a crutch onboard the Destiny not a UMP, and a UMP is to short to be used as a crutch

Could someone help me identify a gun??

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/Xodez/normal_101_airpart1_003.jpg?t=1248127043

On the man lying down (Colonel Young) he has a gun in the cross draw holster and i think it looks alot like a 1911 but i'm not sure so if anyone could help :D

:Beretta 92FS.-protoAuthor

::Are you sure? I don't think it looks like a Beretta....

:Not sure entirely.-protoAuthor

::Looks alot like a Beretta Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:Custom M1911. It looks alot like one of my guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:The gun's grip looks EXACTLY like the one off of a Cougar-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said that already. At any rate, when the show actually airs, we'll get better looks at the sidearms anyway. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Definetely not a 1911 grips to wide and bulky

could it be a Para Ordnance varient

Yeah, my first thought is a double stack 1911. The grip looks a bit like my Kimber BP Ten II, but this is obviously a full size pistol. Take a look at this Para Ordnance P14-45. You can almost see the beaver-tail grip safety in the shadow and the barrel looks like a 1911, definitely not a Beretta. Looks pretty damn exact if you ask me... Eagleye1022

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=69

We can say that it is a 1911 from a production still... added the picture and the 1911 to the article--[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 15:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==So is this Stargate done ala Battlestar Galactica?==
Do I smell dark sets, moody lighting, grainy footage, shaky hand held camera work with snap zooms, edgy morbid themes? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. And silly looking aliens.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well BSG didn't have silly looking aliens. Plus all those shaky hand held camera action and rock music are for the trailers and promo. We'll have to see. I am NOT so sure about this new guy who seemed like a random kid they took from a teen comedy movie. I mean, almost all the characters are too young to be in Stargate. We're our Shepard/Cameron character? Where's our sexy or tough alien team member? Where's our fearless leader? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, I think the whole point of this series is to show what would happen when you took people pseudo trained for off world exploration and left them without leaders. They wanted to make this show more about the human element. That's probably why they don't have any battle hardened fearless leader types, because they're not supposed to be. [[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:40, 11 October 2009 (SMT)

::There may be more drama, but at the cost of believability. There are plenty of moments of brain-bendingly stupid or incompetent behaviour in this show (very little of which happened when Richard Dean Anderson, or Ben Browder, or the cast of Atlantis were at the helm), especially on the civilian side. Sometimes I wish there was a character like Galen Tyrol from BSG (played by Aaron Douglas--he needs his own page with his own new Canadian show "The Bridge") to get up and scream "This is not a democracy! We follow the LT!" into some of the civilian's ears, as he did in Season 2 of nBSG. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen caps up ==

Most are from promo photos, but a couple are from trailers. Have yet to see one P90 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And the first episodes of this new series is out. Not too exciting and not one gun fired in the entire episode. Disappointing already [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==Screen cap==

I'm just wondering what program are used to get the screen caps??

Well I download the episode and my player, which is Jet Audio, has a button you press for screen caps. I have to time it cause there's a delay in the button, but that aside, it works pretty well. I have to watch out for which kind of file I save it under. And whoever you are, don't forget to use "[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)" to sign your username so we know who said what. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== Air III: M9==
While watching Air III i noticed that Greer chambered his M9 several times without shooting it inbetween. First when he draw it on Rush when they begin brawling over water and then later when he gives it to Eli. --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 16:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Number of weapons ==
I remember that in the season premier, they were counting the guns and said that including sidearms, they only had 23 with them. I guess this limits the guns to what we have already seen on the show so far. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I remember Greer saying 40 something --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It is 23. I recorded Air 1 and played it back. At first I thought Greer said 43 but it's 23. [[Bad Boy]]

== P90 ==
I removed the P90 until it is seen on the show --[[User:Colonel Swede|Colonel Swede]] 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

: Saw the P90 on the Stargate magazine a month ago. It will be on the show. They just haven't aired it yet. I put the P90 section as a placeholder to save me TIME. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Check out this video==

Just released last week, armorer Rob Fournier shows off some of the weapons used on the episode "Time".

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1835/index.html

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"It's called a mag. A clip is something women use to put in their hair." Ha. Love it. Very nice.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a great video, this guy know his stuff, except when he mis-identify the G36K as the KV. Look like there will be dual sight G36Ks coming. Didn't the guy clearly stated that the UMP fire .45 ACP rounds? How come the UMP section says .40 instead? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:The "KV" is what H&K calls the export version of the G36K now, so he actually got it correct. As for the UMP section, that's a mistake on the part of the person who wrote the section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::But the G36K he got in his hand clearly got dual sight, so it can't be the KV right? --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Nope, because the carry handle/sights are easily replaceable. The only difference between the German military-issue G36s and the Export models is that the ''Bundeswehr'' gets the dual sights for free, while export customers have to pay extra for it. The only way to know the difference for sure is by looking at what it says on the receiver. But any movie or TV show filmed outside of Germany will be using export models (including this show, which is filmed in Canada), so short answer is that the G36Ks in this show would have to be the KV model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:I put down that the UMP is a .40 because it's hard to tell because both the .40 and the .45 UMPs uses the straight magazine. So if it is IDed by the armorer that it is a .45, then change it. I just lost my torrent site for movies, and TV shows, so until I find a new one, I won't be capping a lot anymore. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a .45. At first I thought the armorer said .40 which is what I put down but it was very late at night and I didn't hear it well enough. My bad on that one. Also, whoever put the weapon holds 27 rounds and the armorer are wrong: The UMP .45 holds 25 rounds standard while the .40 and 9mm hold 30. [[Bad Boy]]

:So is it a .40 or a .45? In the video the armorer said that it held 30 rounds. I'm guessing that 'officially' it is a .45 in the stargate universe but it's really a .40 so that they can have longer shooting sequences with it. My guess though.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Well in the video, the Armorer, say it fires a .45, but he also said it held 27 rounds. Maybe he got it mixed up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The Lucian Alliance ==

I see that the Lucian Alliance are using Chinese QBZ-95's and I'm sure I spotted a Saiga 12 along the way too, can anyone get screencaps and confirmation on this? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's the Norinco type 97 since it's made in Canada. Dont think I saw a Saiga. Care to point out which scene had it? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah well spotted, I knew they was some form of Chinese assault rifle. I'll attempt to locate the scene with it and get back to you.
--[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 18:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's odd since we can assume this is the same armorer that armed all the Stargate series, not one single P90 in sight. I swore i saw TJ with a P90 in a magazine once [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 ==

during the new episode (sesion two episode 3 Awakening) i saw a M16A2 or A4 with a M203 can some one get a screen shot

:Just rewatched the episode and didn't see any M16s or M203s, can you narrow down who was carrying it or when in the episode it was? The closest thing I saw was that the nameless soldiers carry M4s which sometimes have a torch on an offset mount on the side, which from certain angles could possibly look like an M203 at a glance.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

i will have to rewatch it but there is a M16 with M203 i just forgety where it is and you can only see it for a second and it is held by a unnamed marine

ok it is held when they first find the weird alean and it is being escorted to te stARGATE IN FORCE so it can be brought back to earth --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 22:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
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- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.

== Colt M4A1 ==

''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''
(comment placed here so as to not clutter up the main article)

:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon. [[User:Chef Brian|'''''Chef Brian''''']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|Vrooom]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself

[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]

Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.

[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]

Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]

== HK XM320 ==

From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.

==Lost and Damned Weapons==

Anyone got any new, good pictures of the new weapons from the Lost and Damned? If you have any, post them.

==Glock 17==

It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.

The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.

Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest

How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.

Because you're completely ignoring established precedent. Stop being a dumbass. - PersonOfInterest

Well the "established precedent" is fucked up.

''Established precedent'' on this site is to identify guns by '''visual''' standards. The texture does indeed have a "22" on the slide, so therefor that's what we go by. So it's a 22, despite the 17 round mag. Please stop the flaming, PersonOfInterest. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The great irony of all this is that the NYPD actually uses the Glock 19. Isn't life funny sometimes? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

==AK-47==

Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher. I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Desert Eagle in gameplay? If you have or get any, please post them.

== About the Ithaca 37 ==
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.

:::::In Far Cry 2, the Ithaca 37 ejects from side too.

::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.

== AK vs M4 ==

Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi. Those shots are pretty damn awesome.

::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.

I would go for the M4 later in the game.

The M4 isn't meant or even used for 600 yards. Thats the M16, the M4 is good for about 400.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

==WTF?==
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&Wshooter

===Heckler & Koch MP5A3===

One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with "tropical" (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]
[[Image:gta4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko holds a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in the beta version of the game.]]

::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a "non player weapon" it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

actualy it is in the game in the loading seqwince of the game it shows a picture of to police officers one with a SPAS-12 and another with a MP-5 --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 18:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gay Tony weapons ==

on the official website it appears there will also be an Automag. the AA12 is ejecting green shotgun shells in the trailer, and is shown to be firing Frag12 rounds in the Weazel News special on gun crime in Liberty City.

ok just a complete list for people not looking at the main page for some reason? (feel free to correct it)
.44 AMT AUTOMAG
auto assault 12 shotgun (explosive rounds avalible too that are unrealistic)
FN P90 with suppressor
gold plated UZI
M249 SAW
and a DSR-1

How are exploding shotgun shells unrealistic? the company that makes the AA12 makes them, they're called FRAG12 rounds.

ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter

That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic

In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the "Advanced Sniper" does not fire explosive round - Primevil
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.

Actually you can obtain exploding Sniper rounds but only Via cheat codes and here it is, courtesy of www.gta4.net
Explosive Sniper (NEW!)
Makes the sniper rifles fire explosive rounds. 486-555-2526 (TBOGT ONLY)

== Gay Tony FN P90 ==
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]

yea its a suppressor more of a "thock" sound than anything -scarecrow

It is a supressor, and it is not removeable, contrarey to the article - Primevil

== old gun ==
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah the old adage of "I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets" (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.

:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]

:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Glock issue==

I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock a 17 because it is described as "9mm" in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a "9mm". Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be "AK-47s" as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as "M16"s or "M4"s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its "specification". -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&W 686+P-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

==removed weapon==

on one of the trailers of the lost & damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.

its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.

yea in my version all the "combat" shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow

Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.

It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)

No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.

==Names==
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. "''Assault'' SMG", "''Advanced'' MG", "''Advanced'' Sniper"...

There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as "''snipers''", it's like saying "drivers" when you mean "vehicles". --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==

Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''? Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome page ==

I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.

== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream "Remington 1100 TAC4". Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010

Shotguns aren't my specialty but I believe that thing on top of the barrel is called a "heat shield", that is you are refering to something on the barrel like that of the old Winchester Trench Gun. Am I right? --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 14:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not a heat shield. A heat shield is perforated sheet metal wrapped around the barrel. The thing I'm talking about, I can't remember what it's called, but it's function is to provide rigidity to the barrel. Revolvers have them too. - PersonOfInterest
:Ribbing? I agree it's a TAC4, this image matches it best. http://img22.imageshack.us/i/1100006.jpg/ - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Is that some kind of 12 gauge stripper clip? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]

==DLC is no longer XBOX360 Exclusive==
As title says, someone need to delete "Xbox360 exclusive" from line "Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content". I would do that if I could, but without account I can't.
:Done. Thanks for taking the time to mention it. :) --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 16:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

==AR-15?==

Anyone else notice that the "M4A1" in the game seems to have a barrel longer than 14.5 in., and that it "steps up" instead of stepping down?

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