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=Additional Notes/Trivia=

==Interesting Uniform Note==
Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990s and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCUs with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Article on props used ==

I came across an article from last fall detailing some of the props used in the film. https://www.recoilweb.com/the-guns-of-black-hawk-down-142415.html --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:00, 8 March 2019 (EST)

:I came across this article, too, and had intended to post about it (but you beat me to it). Some of the interesting tidbits from the article that Earl Burress learned:

:*All of the M16A2s in the movie are actually former Guatemalan military-issue weapons that were procured as surplus by armorer Simon Atherton for the movie (and they are indeed actual mil-spec burst-firing M16A2s, not A2 uppers on M16A1 lowers, as in so many other movies)
:*Most of the CAR-15s in the film are also actually built from the same batch of M16A2s, including Gary Gordon's rifle. Select M16A2s were actually cut down to become Colt Model 727s and 733s. What this means is that most of the CAR-15s in the film have the triangular M16A2 handguard cap instead of the circular handguard cap found on Colt-produced carbines. (One notable exception: Hoot's Model 727 does appear to be the real deal: It actually does have the circular handguard cap of factory Colt CAR-15 variants.)
:*Mr. Atherton confirmed, as we have long suspected, that the Gary Gordon CAR-15s from this movie were indeed re-used (albeit re-painted and with new muzzle devices) for the movies ''[[Blood Diamond]]'' and ''[[Green Zone]]''.
:*The Shughart M14 rifles were Federal Ordinance MDL.M1As provided to Simon Atherton by Mike Gibbons from Gibbons, Ltd. (a U.S. armory - now out of business). Gibbons later sold the eight MDL.M1As to Independent Studio Services around 2008-09 (which is when Gibbons went under and sold its inventory to ISS).
:*Atherton acknowledged that the rubber stunt weapons don't match the blank-firing weapons: Notably, the rubber M16A2s are actually cast from civilian AR-15 A2s with slab-side lowers, while Hoot's rubber CAR-15 (seen notably in the "this is my safety" scene) is indeed cast from a flattop M4 carbine, which would have been anachronistic for 1993.
:*When Mr. Burress asked Mr. Atherton if the rifles used in the film were painted using an airbrush, Mr. Atherton told him that the rifles were painted quickly, using techniques recommended by military advisor Harry Humphries.

:All told, very neat - I'm glad that we have now this kind of behind-the-scenes info. Now we just need to update this page accordingly... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 09:56, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

Any particular reason no one has added these images to the main page? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:09, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

=Discussion=
== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

''"I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele"'' - Corrected the section as noted. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''
:::::The M21 is the sniper version of the M14. So you're both right. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] ([[User talk:Cozmo|talk]]) 23:32, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Blemo is correct. Yurek was removing the magazine to deny the enemy. As Gunmaster45 says, anyone can reload the weapon, yes. But by removing the mag and tossing it away, he prevented them from being able to simply pick up the weapon and begin firing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] ([[User talk:Cozmo|talk]]) 23:39, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

::::: Just to add to Stan's comment, I seem to recall hearing that at one point they even tried to use the crashed chopper's Miniguns. Not sure if this was true or not as the M134 requires electrical power to operate the weapon and I'm not sure what state the chopper's power system would be in following the crash. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] ([[User talk:Orca1 9904|talk]]) 16:15, 29 May 2016 (EDT)

:::::: The engines would need to be running to generate the power for the Miniguns. I believe that later helicopters (don't know if it was because of this incident specifically) have a battery backup for the Miniguns so that they could work if the engines and APU weren't running. They may have actually tried to operate them by hand cranking the barrel cluster. This is something that you might assume would work as the barrels, delinker and feeder are all connected together to the motor so if you turn one they all turn. The problem is though that it doesn't work and the guns will just jam up. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:09, 29 May 2016 (EDT)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was always under the assumption that it was taken to be put to rest with the rest of the body. Never leave a soldier behind.
That all said, i was always told by SF soldier i knew that they were trained to even go as far as to scoop up vomit they might have left to not leave behind any traces of themselves. -MissySummers-

The film (as everyone knows) took liberally from Mark Bowden's book. The film splits one incident ("the hand" and the "RPG in the chest") into two different scenes. According to Bowden's book (and the actual accounts of the Rangers) the hand belonged to SP4 Richard 'Alphabet' Kowalewski. It was blown off when an RPG hit him in the chest (while in the cab of a truck), but did not explode. PFC Clay Othic was in the truck when the RPG hit, but did not pick up Kowalewski's hand. It was SP4 Aaron Hand (ironic?) that "found the lower portion of Alphabet's arm on the street. All that remained intact was the hand. He picked it up and put it in his side pants pocket. He didn't know what else to do, and it didn't feel right leaving it behind." (quoted portion from Bowden's book "Black Hawk Down"). So, the film split the one incident into two scenes. The first scene of Othic picking up a hand, that in the film, could not have belonged to Kowalewski and the second (and later) scene of Kowalewski being hit and killed by the RPG rocket that did not explode. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

::::::::So, obviously, this is an old debate, but to settle it: The Delta operators did NOT use the M4, not even prototypes, during Operation Gothic Serpent. As the page now points out, the Delta operators were actually using Colt Model 653s and 723s in 1993, which means that they were actually using ''older'' AR variants than the Rangers (who were using a mix of M16A2s and Colt Model 727s, or "M16A2 Carbines" as the -727 was known at the time). Of course, the year after the events of this film, all of USASOC (including Delta, the Rangers, and Group) started transitioning to the M4. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 17:27, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

I read somewhere that Delta Operators are given an allowance to pay for their 1911 and any customisations they want done to it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:59, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.
:Isn't GAU-17 an Air Force designation? When the weapon is in Army use isn't it still referred to as the M-134? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:15, 2 February 2013 (EST)
::Yes, but it is the designation for a particular variant of the M134 which is what was used in the film. As far as I know there is no Army designation for this variant so I can only assume that they refer to it as the GAU-17/A. If not, using this term is still clearer than "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF". I'm guessing the term is universal, as the Navy use it for airborne mountings and refer to it as the GAUSE-17/A (with the SE standing for Shipboard Equipment) when it is mounted to the deck of a ship for point defence. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 2 February 2013 (EST)
:::To weigh in on this again (first comment), I don't think the answer is "M134 variant that would be the GAU-17/A if it was in the USAF" nor is it "GAU-17." The answer is, it's a GE M134 with DA upgrades. The reason that is the answer, is that is what is stated in the film commentary, and that is what it is. The Minigun is an interesting weapon in that, as far as the US Army is concerned, the designation doesn't change, even though the weapon has, significantly. A stock GE Minigun, a PI GE Minigun with DA upgrades and a DA Minigun are all "M134" as far as the Army is concerned. The manufacturers' designations of M134D, M134D-T, M134D-H, M134G, M134GI etc are not recognized designations in the Army. Just because the weapon has a vented flash hider doesn't make it a GAU-17. The original DA flash hiders were vented anyway before they adopted a non-vented flash hider for their ground-up built Miniguns. --[[User:Gau17|Gau17]] ([[User talk:Gau17|talk]]) 15:25, 22 November 2013 (EST)

== Remington 870 Shotgun ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

As indicated on the main page and above (by an unknown poster), the Remington 870 Shotgun is seen being used by an extra/stuntman to breech a door right after being dropped by the Little Birds. The extra/stuntman IS NOT William Fichtner as evidenced by the images below - his individual equipment does not match that of Fichtner's. Further there are "on set" photographs showing at least one extra/stuntman equipped with the same type Remington 870 in addition to the one carried by Fichtner. The scene is from the "Black Hawk Down Extended Cut," NOT a "director's cut" (as the unknown person posted above). Ridley Scott has yet to do a "director's cut" of "Black Hawk Down," and I doubt he ever will due to his negative feelings about how the [[Alien]] and [[Blade Runner]] Director's Cuts turned out.
[[Image:BHD001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman preparing to fire a Remington 870. He also carries one of the rubber stunt prop M4 carbines that appear throughout the film in the hands of different extras, stuntmen, and actors. Note: there were no actual "firing" M4 carbines utilized in the film - only rubber stunt props of them.]]
[[Image:BHD002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown extra/stuntman firing a Remington 870.]]
Further, MSG (SFC in 1993) Paul Howe did indeed carry, and utilize, a CAR-15 (his was a Colt Model 653) with a 12-gage shotgun mounted on it (at least two photographs exist of him with the weapon prior to the operation). The term "Masterkey" is anachronistic as Knight's Armament came up with the term years later. At the time (1993) Ciener was the only company producing a shotgun mount for M16-series rifles and carbines. They simply called it an "under/over mount." [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

''"In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force"'' - Added this information to the front page. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 13:58, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]

::''"Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4"'' - Yes, because the United States Army never adopted the M60E3 - the United States Navy and Marines Corps however did. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg

::The photograph linked above DOES NOT depict Delta operators, they are Rangers. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

::: The Model 723s utilized by Delta operators, during Operation Gothic Serpent, DID NOT have the ''"M4 style barrel"'' - they had the standard barrel. Further they utilized Model 653s along with the Model 723s and Model 727s. [[User:Sgtmonroe|Sgtmonroe]] ([[User talk:Sgtmonroe|talk]]) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

: Might have been a flash suppressor. But it might also be Hollywood getting mixed in there. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] ([[User talk:Cozmo|talk]]) 15:38, 1 December 2015 (EST)
:: Bah, it's plainly a sound suppressor (or 'silencer' as some would call it) on Gordon's M733, not just a flash hider (though proper sound suppressors still suppress muzzle flash as well). That said, the 733 is a considerably short-barreled weapon normally and the suppressor would give some extra length aiding in accuracy, though it would be at the cost of some muzzle velocity (which would probably be mostly negligible in the environment/ranges he's operating at). The more bluntly obvious explanation is that it's a film that takes a few liberties and obviously doesn't follow the book to the letter for any number of reasons. Finally, I doubt any of this matters to the (unsigned) user who originally asked this and who also seemingly hasn't been on the site since making said inquiry - more than 4 years ago now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:48, 2 December 2015 (EST)

==M16A2s==
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]
It seems that all of the so-called "M16A2s" have forward assists and are probably M16A1s with M16A2 handguards or mocked up to resemble an M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:16, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Not to sound disrespectful but what the hell are you talking about? The M16 in that screenshot clearly has the A2 sights and the A2s have forward assists as well. They are not A1s with A2 handguards because of the A2 sights. They could possibly have A1 lowers to make them fully automatic as opposed to firing 3 round bursts like the A2 does. But externally they are definitely an M16A2. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:Makes sense as MPM2008's images of the M16A2 are M16A2s with A1 lower receivers as one user pointed out, which caused some confusion for me when I started learning about the M16A2. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:55, 15 October 2011 (CDT)
:: The point is those could actually be real deal M16A2s as they fire semi auto in every shot apart from at the end where one Ranger fires what looks like a 3 round burst anyway. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:40, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
Firstly M16A2s have forward assists, so there is no reason that having the FA would make it an A1. Secondly, the guns have brass deflectors (triangular protrusion behind the ejection port) which A2s have and A1s don't. Thirdly these guns have the more complicated adjustable rear sights of A2s. The guns in this film do use M16A1 pattern lower receivers, as noted by the lack of reinforcement around the takedown pins, but I don't think they are actually Colt lowers as the M16A1 type lowers didn't have the fire selector markings stamped on the right side of the gun. Also, MPM2008's image of an M16A2 is correct, it is the M16A1 images which have the wrong lower receiver (not a standard Colt lower as it has the front reinforcement of an A2, but like the A1 lacks the rear reinforcement and right side fire selector stampings). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:07, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
::Hold on. Upon seeing this picture, I started wondering why some of the Army or Special Forces personnel will have their rifle stock and or end of magazine taped with different colours? Is it just a habit or to serve other purposes?
:::The tape on the magazine is to make it easier to grip, since STANAG magazines are fairly smooth; I guess it's the same theory with the stock. Tape can also be used to mark magazines for easier recognition of special loads (say, a tracer-heavy magazine for marking targets). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:29, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::I think the tape on the stock is actually something to do with the way the sling is attached on to the rifle. They don't seem to be using the sling loop at the bottom of the stock, instead I think it is just attached to paracord wrapped around the stock and held in place with the tape. The main reasons I have seen for wrapping tape around the bottom of a magazine was to hold a loop of paracord in place to make it easier to get the magazine out of a webbing pouch (the pre Magpul solution) or for marking magazine loads as Evil Tim said. This is not the case here so I suppose it must be for grip, but seems odd that the tape is around the middle of the magazine rather than the bottom, where the the magazine would be held to get it out of a pouch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::Sorry, but when do they fire the guns on full auto? I saw the movie not too long ago and i only saw them fireing on semi and 3 round burst. I never saw a full auto one. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
::::::Right towards the end of the film one of the Rangers fires two quick bursts. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I'm just watching the movie to look out for burst/auto, but jsut noticed something else. Can't screencap blurays, but at 50 minuted in as Eversmann is watching the first blackhawk go down you see the butt of his rifle, showing that it is from an A1 rifle. Also, at 40:30 when Hoot is pushing gown the heads of the prisoners as they are captured, the Delta behind him has a CAR-15 with 10" barrel, no forward assist or brass deflector, and possibly a partial fence lower (out of focus and hard to tell), making it an XM177, also called GAU-5/A. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:22, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:::::::: ok, but Cool-breeze, you just said he fired two quick BURSTS. Not a full auto drag. I just rewatched that scene and he fired two quick THREE round bursts.--[[UserGunner5|Gunner5]]
:::::::::Yeah but the likelihood that it is an M16A2 with an A2 lower is very remote as pretty much every motion picture M16A2 I've seen fires full auto at some point. The only way to find out if it has a burst lower is if there is a decent screen grab so we can read the markings on the receiver. I think Black Hawk Down is the only film I've seen an A2 not firing full auto if it's not firing on semi. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:46, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
::::::::::The guy fires 2 bursts, the second of which sound like it might have been 4, but it is off-screen so that proves nothing. These rifles have A1 lowers which would suggest that they are full auto. However in the screencap above, the third position (although hard to read) looks more like burst than auto. Swinging it back the other way though, A1 receivers shouldn't have selector markings on this side, so it is either a non Colt lower so could be burst or auto, or it has been engraved by the armourer to replicate an A2 so wouldn't necessarily be correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:00, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

can anyone tell me why the buttstocks are taped?-2ndCommandos

== M249/FN Minimi ==

This page lists Twombly's (and others') weapon as an FN Minimi standing in for an M249-E1.

However, the weapon in the movie clearly has U.S. M249-style rear sights, which was the main differentiator from the FN design it was based on.

I believe that the weapon is really a M249 (first edition, before the E1), not a FN Minimi.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down#FN_Minimi

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_Minimi#FN_Minimi

:Problem is, from looking things up more recent Minimis have started using the SAW rear sight. Wikipedia's article on the Minimi has pictures of Swedish and Australian soldiers with SAW-rear-sight Minimis. IMO, these are more likely to be Minimis with new top covers than 1980s-vintage unimproved SAWs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:07, 25 December 2011 (CST)

==Issue with some of the recent edits==

While I like how some parts are more detailed and some sections split/modified, I have a bit of an issue with the descriptions forcefully stating how actors and stuntmen are ''portraying'' the operators and soldiers. It seems a bit much, not to mention redundant - though based on an actual event, it is still a movie, and I would think it's generally assumed the actors are of course actors and stunt performers and ''aren't'' any of the actual operators/soldiers - to deliberately 'state' so seems kind of rich and perhaps a bit improper. In the case of the actors and their characters, we go by how they're credited, not who they are 'portraying' since its not always the same (the portrayals can be noted, but the actual credit shouldn't be ignored/removed) - if there are exceptions to this (such as the pilot) they are also noted but I thought it was pretty much common knowledge about how these are still actors, and that they may may 'portraying' certain individuals that don't match their credited role and that that doesn't need to be unduly, possibly negatively emphasized. What's more, I'm not sure omission of some information and even some additions are in the page's best interest (An edit by someone stating that they did away with 'some nonsense' is a bit harsh and frankly may not be said person's call) - There were some quotes or notations that were removed when there seemed to be no need to do so. Also the use of word 'allegedly' also seems a bit improper and unnecessary as well, especially in spots.

Generally it seems these edits don't keep a fully impartial and encyclopedic viewpoint, which is what I take issue with. Bottom line as I understand it, the site is foremost about documenting the movie's firearms and any information or notations relevant to that or in furtherance of that - the site is not here to make corrections about any and all factual errors regarding the events portrayed in this film, or indeed in any film, except again perhaps in regards to the firearms. It's also not about playing with semantics either. Any errors or such about the film that may or (generally) may not apply to the weapons should, for the most part, be kept on the discussion page. At least that is how I understand it. That said, any other significant edits being made should also be noted in the discussion before being made. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:23, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

: You're 100% correct. I'm going to undo the edits. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:30, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::There's no need to undo everything, just bring everything in line with our style. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
:::Will do.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:47, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::::Am I the only person who wishes that Delta soldiers weren't called "operators"? It just sounds so corny in a bad, mall-ninja way. Not calling Delta mall-ninjas, but they ''really'' need a less cheesy name. It's not like "commando" was already taken.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:54, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
:::::You can leave in the gun stuff, like the tidbit about the tape around the magazines, which is pretty interesting. "Commando" IS taken, is it not? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:58, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::::: US doesn't have any "Commando" units. I'll put the tape bit back.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:05, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::No, but when I read "commando," I think of the Brits first. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:13, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
:::::::As well you should :) --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:20, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::::See? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:39, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
: I think the term operator is alright.. it is proper nomenclature, isn't it? Otherwise looks alright.. I didn't mind things like the NSN for the carbine and all that, but that's only 'cause I'm into military-technical crap like that. :P Plus it has little to do with the movie weapons I suppose. Frankly I think the page was fine before the edits - I don't see why the other stuff couldn't have just been added on. Basically I have no problem with addition of anything relevant, but pejorative-sounding words and phrases and removal of possibly relevant info I take issue with. That said, I kinda liked the grouping of the Colt 727 and 733 and I liked that layout - sure it wasn't standard but it was a nice little specific feature of this film page which I liked a lot, but that's just me I guess.. The old notations in the 733 section about the ones with the XM177 muzzle moderator and Gordon's rifle with the suppressor and the like should probably be put back also since otherwise it would appear different weapons are grouped into the same entry. I could patch 'em up if you guys want, either way. Thanks fellas. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:37, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
::The term Operator applies to members of Delta who have passed the Operator's Training Course and is also used to seperate the door-kickers from the support guys in the unit. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]])

== Why no SEALs in the movie? ==

Anyone happen to know why aren't the four DEVGRU operators in the movie? I know this is not a documentary but still. Was the ST6 involvement classified back in 2001? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 02:56, 31 March 2014 (EDT)
: The SEALs were mentioned in the 1999 book the movie is based on, guess the director figured that they already had a bunch of Delta, Rangers, and 160th guys to work with and four guy from a different unit weren't worth adding. And it's not like they'd be all that different from Delta in the end anyway. Just four guys in a slightly different uniform.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:55, 31 March 2014 (EDT)
:: I remember reading something written about when they were writing the script they already had to compress about 150 people into a more managable number of characters, cutting it down to about 40 characters. Some of the real life people were merged together into one character. Adding the SEALs in would have just added more characters to a script that already had far more main and supporting characters than 95% of Hollywood films. Bare in mind the average cinema-goer isn't going to know the difference between Delta, SEALs, Marines, Rangers etc. Keeping it to Delta and Rangers helped set up that the Rangers were the normal soldiers and the Delta guys were the more elite soldiers. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 15:38, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

== Not M68s? ==

An off hand comment I read on Facebook when plugging our site claimed that the Aimpoints on the Delta Rifles are not the M68s. Were there any optics that looked like these during the film's production or is this random guy blowing smoke? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:57, 14 March 2016 (EDT)
:Well, at the time of this film there would have been a range of sights from Aimpint in the COMP range that are pedantically not M68/COMPM2s. I don't really think that you could visually distinguish most of them though to the point where you could definitely say that a sight isn't a COMPM2. However there are a couple of individual sights in this that look a bit off, for example in this image you can see a whole collection of Aimpoints:[[File:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]Sanderson's Aimpoint appears smaller than all the others so it may be a the compact version, the COMPC. Also, the Aimpoint on Gordon's 733 appears like it lacks the sloped section at the back of the front lens portion, which I think might mean it is an earlier model like the original COMP:[[File:BHDCommandoSuppressed-4.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]I'm just going by the screenshots though, other images might show these better. It's also possible that these are cheap knock-offs anyway rather than real Aimpoints. In the description it also states "In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995)", but I don't think that this statement can be true, as I believe that the M68 is specifically the COMPM2 version which didn't exist until 2000. Even if it refers to the original COMPM (the first militarised version which was accepted by the US Army) this wasn't release until 1997. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:35, 14 March 2016 (EDT)

Well according to Wikipedia, filming began in March 2001 and concluded in late June. So we have a time frame of when the filming took place so it is POSSIBLE that since the M68 was introduced in 2000, that the armorer could have gotten his hands of a few of them or replicas of them existed at the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:15, 14 March 2016 (EDT)

== Life Imitating Art ==

So I did a search on Google to see if it was possible for an RPG rocket to impale a person and not blow them apart as seen in the movie, and it seems that a similar incident actually happened; In 2006, Private Channing Moss was engaging insurgents in eastern Afghanistan when he was impaled in the abdomen by a rocket from an RPG. Unlike the soldier in ''Black Hawk Down'' though, Pvt. Moss survived the ordeal. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] ([[User talk:Orca1 9904|talk]]) 21:03, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
:I'd imagine that is what would happen when the warhead doesn't arm because if it hasn't passed its minimum safe distance--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:13, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
::The incident in the movie actually happened, the Ranger in question was Pfc. Richard Kowalewski. A number of people have been hit by non-detonating RPGs, the one you mentioned, another US soldier who got hit in the leg by an RPG and survived, a British Para got hit in the front plate by an RPG and was basically just knocked on his arse and got back up, and a friend of mine had a rpg ricochet off of his helmet and knock him out. Some people say that this happens because RPGs won't detonate on soft targets but I am more inclined to say that the majority of rounds are mistreated and not stored properly so are duds. I remember hearing that at one point in Afghanistan something like 20-30% of RPGs failed to detonate due to improper storage. In the case of Kowalewski the round penetrated the side of his Humvee so it definitely had nothing to do with it only hitting a soft target, and the same can be said of the Para who got hit in the plate. The RPG that hit my friend on the helmet actually detonated a few seconds later after it had bounced off and landed on the ground, so that one wasn't a dud but i think in that case it was just luck that the side of the body of the warhead made contact rather than the tip of the fuse itself. As for the arming distance thing, I believe that this is only about 10 meters and I doubt that any of these shots were closer than that. The arming distance thing is very variable by country though, however I think it actually tends to be shorted than this with some warheads being armed as soon as they are fired. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:45, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

== MALBATT:Misi Bakara (2023) ==

It seems like they'll be upcoming Malaysian movie that'll tell their side during the 1994 Battle of Modgadishu. It was directed by the same guy behind 2018 [[PASKAL_The_Movie|Paskal The Movie]] Here's the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et2viNOwRrE official trailer.]. Paul Biddiss of PB Military Technical Advisor were also [https://twitter.com/EVostox/status/1670217106359738368 involved in this movie.]

Talk:Kino's Journey -the Beautiful World-

2017-10-27T02:33:49Z

Alex Vostox: /* Kino's Flute */

==Kino's Flute==
Alright, I'm having trouble with identifying Kino's Flute. It looks somewhat like a M-14 with a rail system, but its a takedown rifle, and the ejection port is located on the side of the reciever instead of the top.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 04:49, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
:If I remember correctly, Kino obtains an M14 or M21 in the latter novels. Seeing as the remake seems to be expanding on newer stories from the source material, it could be that. I think it is better to use screenshots from when Kino shooting at the missile control systems to get a better ID. '''EDIT:''' Actually Wiki says it was an Arisaka Type 99 that's been modified for semiauto. --[[User:Jusuchin|Jusuchin]] ([[User talk:Jusuchin|talk]]) 21:22, 21 October 2017 (EDT)
[[File:KinoNoTabi Flute Disassembled.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:KinoNoTabi Kino Flute Assembled.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
::Designers are disclosing information.[https://twitter.com/akimoto_kouzi/status/921406032257019905] - [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 23:08, 22 October 2017 (JST)
:::From the designer Twitter.
[[File:Kino's_Rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:Kino's_Rifle_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
::::Looks like it got sound suppersor clipped (via rails?) on the side of the rifle. Surely looks like a M-14 with DSR-1/WA2000 style bipod. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

==Woodsman's Features==
Kino's Colt Woodsman Match Target has several unique features that could be detailed. Only the threaded barrel is mentioned on the page. At the beginning of episode 3, we see that the safety, slide stop, and mag release are reversed; these thumb controls are on the right side, fitting her left handed use of her Woodsman. Later in the episode, it is mentioned that the Woodsman still has a laser sight, presumably still built into the weighted lower part of the barrel.--[[User:Azukki|Azukki]] ([[User talk:Azukki|talk]]) 05:53, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

File:Kino's Rifle 02.jpg

2017-10-27T02:27:49Z

Alex Vostox: Kino's Rifle from Kino No Tabi (2017) 02

Kino's Rifle from Kino No Tabi (2017) 02

File:Kino's Rifle 01.jpg

2017-10-27T02:24:28Z

Alex Vostox: Kino's Rifle from Kino No Tabi (2017) 01

Kino's Rifle from Kino No Tabi (2017) 01

The Foreigner (2017)

2017-09-28T16:25:20Z

Alex Vostox:

{{upcoming}}
[[Image:The-Foreigner-Film-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Foreigner (2017)'']]

'''''The Foreigner''''' is a 2017 action thriller film starring [[Jackie Chan]] as Ngoc Minh Quan, a British-Vietnamese citizen whose daughter is killed in a bombing in London. When he tries to get the names of the bombers, Quan is thwarted by Liam Hennessey ([[Pierce Brosnan]]), a British government official who apparently knows their identities. Quan then uses his skills as a former Special Forces soldier to get the men responsible. The film was adapted from a 1992 novel written by Stephen Leather and was directed by [[Martin Campbell]], who reunites with Brosnan for the first time since his debut as [[James Bond]] in ''[[GoldenEye (1995)]]''.

{{Film Title|The Foreigner}}
__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is seen used by a IRA man during a shootout with Quan ([[Jackie Chan]]).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm)]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the IRA gunmen fires his Beretta 92FS, while the other two use a Glock 17, and an Heckler & Koch USP.]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] is used by another IRA man during a shootout with Quan.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The IRA gunman towards the back fires his Glock 17.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 505.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing his Glock 17.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP]] is also one of the pistols during a shootout with Quan.
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The IRA gunman in the middle ducks behind a couch after firing his USP.]]

== Makarov PM ==
A suppressed [[Makarov PM]] pistol also is used.
[[File:Makarov PM silenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Silenced Makarov PM.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 511.jpg|thumb|none|601px|IRA gunman used Makarov PM]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
British SCO15 Officers carry the [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] during a raid.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 506.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

==Armalite AR-18==
At one point, Quan uses what appears to be an [[Armalite_AR-18|AR-18]] and fitted with an improvised suppressor. Most IRA members used the standard AR-18.
[[Image:Sterling AR-18 Folded.JPG|300px|thumb|none|400px|AR-18 fitted with scope with stock folded 5.56mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 502.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 503.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 514.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Armalite-AR18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Armalite AR-18 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Foreigner 605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Colt XM177==
A [[Colt XM177 Commando]] can be seen held by Quan ([[Jackie Chan]]) in a photo taken during his service days in Vietnam. It is hard to tell if it is either an XM177E1 or XM177E2 in the photograph as it is cut off towards the bottom.
[[Image:Colt 609-XM1771E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 609 aka U.S. Army's XM177E1- 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:ColtM177E2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM177E2 Carbine aka Colt Model 629 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Quan holds his Colt XM177 as he poses for the photo. Here you can see it has the correct receiver configuration, having the forward assist and no shell deflector. The rifle appears to be fitted with a 30rd Magazine.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK417==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK417]] is used by a SCO15 sniper.
[[Image:HK417 12MOD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK417 with 12" barrel, scope, night vision adapter, Harris bipod and suppressor - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 509.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK417 used by a SCO15 police sniper.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Action]]
[[Category:Thriller]]
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The Foreigner (2017)

2017-09-28T16:23:38Z

Alex Vostox:

{{upcoming}}
[[Image:The-Foreigner-Film-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Foreigner (2017)'']]

'''''The Foreigner''''' is a 2017 action thriller film starring [[Jackie Chan]] as Ngoc Minh Quan, a British-Vietnamese citizen whose daughter is killed in a bombing in London. When he tries to get the names of the bombers, Quan is thwarted by Liam Hennessey ([[Pierce Brosnan]]), a British government official who apparently knows their identities. Quan then uses his skills as a former Special Forces soldier to get the men responsible. The film was adapted from a 1992 novel written by Stephen Leather and was directed by [[Martin Campbell]], who reunites with Brosnan for the first time since his debut as [[James Bond]] in ''[[GoldenEye (1995)]]''.

{{Film Title|The Foreigner}}
__TOC__ 

{{Spoilers}}

=Pistols=
==Beretta 92FS==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is seen used by a IRA man during a shootout with Quan ([[Jackie Chan]]).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm)]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the IRA gunmen fires his Beretta 92FS, while the other two use a Glock 17, and an Heckler & Koch USP.]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] is used by another IRA man during a shootout with Quan.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The IRA gunman towards the back fires his Glock 17.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 505.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing his Glock 17.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP]] is also one of the pistols during a shootout with Quan.
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The IRA gunman in the middle ducks behind a couch after firing his USP.]]

== Makarov PM ==
A suppressed [[Makarov PM]] pistol also is used.
[[File:Makarov PM silenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Silenced Makarov PM.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 511.jpg|thumb|none|601px|IRA gunman used Makarov PM]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
British SCO15 Officers carry the [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] during a raid.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 506.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

==Armalite AR-18==
At one point, Quan uses what appears to be an [[Armalite_AR-18|AR-18]] and fitted with an improvised suppressor.
[[Image:Sterling AR-18 Folded.JPG|300px|thumb|none|400px|AR-18 fitted with scope with stock folded 5.56mm]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 502.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 503.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 514.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Armalite-AR18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Armalite AR-18 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Foreigner 605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Colt XM177==
A [[Colt XM177 Commando]] can be seen held by Quan ([[Jackie Chan]]) in a photo taken during his service days in Vietnam. It is hard to tell if it is either an XM177E1 or XM177E2 in the photograph as it is cut off towards the bottom.
[[Image:Colt 609-XM1771E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 609 aka U.S. Army's XM177E1- 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:ColtM177E2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM177E2 Carbine aka Colt Model 629 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:The Foreigner.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Quan holds his Colt XM177 as he poses for the photo. Here you can see it has the correct receiver configuration, having the forward assist and no shell deflector. The rifle appears to be fitted with a 30rd Magazine.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK417==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK417]] is used by a sniper.
[[Image:HK417 12MOD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK417 with 12" barrel, scope, night vision adapter, Harris bipod and suppressor - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 509.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK417 used by a SCO15 police sniper.]]

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[[Category:Martin Campbell]]

Talk:The Foreigner (2017)

2017-09-28T16:22:28Z

Alex Vostox: /* Please help ID */

Jackie Chan as a Vietnam British national....they should fire the casting guy [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:50, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:And so many Vietnamese-British leading men to choose from too! But seriously, are you really surprised by this? At least he's not being played by a white guy. At least they changed the title of the film. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:26, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::Well, if they changed it to a white guy, they might as well cast Liam Neeson since this is the exact kind of revenge movie he'd sign on to. This is a real generic story no matter who the actors are. Oddly enough, the book is called The Chinaman. Wait, why is the book called The Chinaman when the guy is Vietnamese? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:16, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm assuming writers can't tell the difference either. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:37, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::::[[The Big Lebowski| "The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude!"]] (sorry, just had to do it)--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:21, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::::: The original novel states that the guy operated a Chinese restaurant and he looked East Asian. Historically, some segments of the Vietnamese populace are descendants of Chinese settlers. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 22:27, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID these rifles. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:53, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

[[Image:The Foreigner 502.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 503.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The Foreigner 514.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Looks like an AR-18/180. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:32, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::Interestingly all the IRA members mostly seen with standard AR-18 and one of them seemingly using Kalashnikov. Kinda accurate for the standard armament for the IRA. The customized AR-18 probably a cut-down AR-18K (A rare short version of AR-18 I think.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
[[Image:The Foreigner 509.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Rebellion (2011)

2017-01-06T05:23:56Z

Alex Vostox: Created page with "== Discarding the shotgun in favor of sidearms == One thing I don't understand is why the GIGN officer discarding the shotgun and unload/empty them before switching to revolv..."

== Discarding the shotgun in favor of sidearms ==

One thing I don't understand is why the GIGN officer discarding the shotgun and unload/empty them before switching to revolver in the final assault. Wasn't that shotgun is the best option for short-range jungle fight? And wouldn't be wiser to carry the shotgun loaded even if the GIGN officer switching to use their sidearm? I'm kinda baffled here. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

Talk:Future Weapons

2017-01-04T09:12:27Z

Alex Vostox: /* RIP Richard John "Mack" Machowicz */

== This page is under review ==

The Future Weapons page is under review for deletion.

== Why is it called future weapons ==

Come on half of the weapons are from the past.
[[Maddog.45]]

Well they didn't want to call the show "21st Century Weapons". [[User:Scutshakes|Scutshakes]] 15:06, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

:"Weapons which will mostly be cancelled six months after we air" was too long, perhaps. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:59, 25 September 2011 (CDT)
:::Not to mention stuff that was never even officially considered for military use, like the Barrett REC7/M468 and LWRC REPR/SABR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:56, 3 January 2017 (EST)
::The one that got me was the one with the USS Eisenhower. It's a future weapon... that's 30 years old. (That episode also sticks out because one of my ROTC classmates was on it. That was wild.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:16, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

:::Someone needs to clean this page up. Different seasons or not there are more than a few duplications on this page. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:41, 9 February 2012 (CST)

==RIP Richard John "Mack" Machowicz ==

1965 - 2017

::And no matter how he'll be remembered whether “In the end, we will all die. There is no way to get around that fact.” or "Accuracy of a sniper rifle, firepower an M16" quote, I respected him. Thanks for the memories. Til' we'll meet again [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

Talk:Beasts of No Nation

2016-12-20T05:45:26Z

Alex Vostox: /* Optic rebels find in the first ambush */

==Optic rebels find in the first ambush==
Anyone know what it is? I'm thinking its some kind of mortar sight or something. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2016 (EST)
:Bridge scene right? Looks like a civilian surveyor scope to me..[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

Talk:Battlefield 1

2016-10-19T04:02:53Z

Alex Vostox: /* Kolibri */

== This gonna be good... ==

Seriously. This is a good change for once, other than Battlefield mod and fictional "Iron Storm" (2002). This is a first World War 1 FPS comes from a major game publisher.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:Yeah, it's got some nice Steampunk elements (ala Dishonored) too, but tbh im more pumped about this than Infinite Warfare, even the CoD 4 remaster looked better imo.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 13:00, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::I was really hoping to see 1944 next, but I gotta say that this looks amazing. Perhaps the first after this is 1944. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 13:27, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:::It looks alright, the graphics are damn good though, that's for sure.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:28, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Let's hope they bring one of the MANLIEST element of the World War 1..The MUSTACHE! [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:::::Every time you rank up your character's moustache gets slightly bigger? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:42, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Mustache AI--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:58, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::I'm going to be really disappointed if they don't have this in the game--[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder|talk]]) 03:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::You've reached Rank 100. You've unlocked... The Handlebar.--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 01:50, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::It's gonna be a good year for FPS games. I can't wait for this and Infinite Warfare (that must be illegal). As some of you guys mentioned, World War I games are rarely done and it's nice to see a triple A publisher try their hand at it. WWI is such a sorely underused setting, so much potential too. And I love space and science fiction, so Infinite Warfare has me covered there. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 02:24, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::This game reminds me that i want to see a CoD of BF that takes place during the korean war.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 02:46, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

== Italian Rifle ==

It does look like it's designed after a Carcano 1891 Cavalry Carbine, but the rifle is way too long. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:09, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:Maybe it's a inaccurately sized model? Judging from DICE's rendering accuracy (cough cough ARX 160), it could be the case.
::Is that cough getting in the way of you signing your posts, mysterious contributor?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:43, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
:::It isn't a Carcano, the stock is the wrong shape, there is no external magazine, no folding bayonet, and the end cap on the stock is wrong. C&Rsenal did a brakdown of the trailer and their oppinion on this rifle is that it is just a place holder and will eventually be a Carcano Cavalry Carbine, but it seems that currently the model is a modified Mauser 1898. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Hrm, interesting. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 19:26, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::And, though it's just me, the barrel on it seems extremely too long and thin. This leads me to believe it IS supposed to be the Carcano, but just absurdly disproportionate. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 19:38, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::I agree, it looks like they have mistaken the length of the Carbine for the full length M91 --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2016 (EDT)

== MG 15? ==
So, there was a short teaser released few days ago, and it showed Bergmann MG 15nA light machine gun. I came here to add that to the images but it appears that someone inserted MG 15 instead of MG 15nA. I changed the name/image and added new screenshot, but if there is an image that contains MG 15 as well as MG 15nA, feel free to add that again. [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])

== What's this rifle ==

EA just had their E3 stream. It was really lame and not enough ME: Andromeda footage (i've been waiting 3 years for some gameplay, move yer butts!) There was a new trailer for BF1 though showing DICE's lack of taste in music. There's gonna be a livestream of bored looking people playing to soon.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
[[File:BF1 rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Anyway, what's goin on here?!]]
:It's a [[Winchester Model 1907]]. And yeah, that music was shite.
:[[Image:Winchester Model 1907.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Winchester Model 1907 - .351 Winchester]] [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 17:46, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::I assume it was used during WW1?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::I don't if it was or was not. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:25, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I just hope that the Winchester 1895 shows up.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::It was used by France, and is limited by Russia and by the United Kingdom. Some French versions have been converted into a full-auto and are equipped with extended magazines. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:57, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::Here's the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY3hlQEOc0 trailer]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:04, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::What I really hope doesn't happen with this game is have tons of rare and little used semi auto rifles and SMGs inexplicably in the hands of common infantrymen, just so the game can still have the feel of Battlefield without modern automatic weapons. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 19:32, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXcD4ePJWEc 14 minutes of gameplay].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 19:49, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::I hope they keep it authentic with the Nagant jaming all the time.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:17, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::More gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObo251De4k here].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:33, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::About the only thing that makes me worried so far is the aircraft seem ludicrously tough, in these alpha games you have people slamming them headlong into the ground and flying them through buildings without destroying them. I guess that might be a balance thing because they're slower and so easier to hit from the ground, but still. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:07, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::::I don't think the collision physics for airplanes has been finalized yet, but I do hope they stay more resilient when touching the ground than BF4's instantly-dead jets. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:04, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Back in Battlefield 1942: Desert Combat the AC-130 was kind of infamous for having so much health it could actually fly straight through the chimneys on the El Alamein map and survive. It might be they just jacked up their health for the early builds because they wanted people who had no idea how to fly them to still have fun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:25, 1 July 2016 (EDT)

== An unknown shotgun ==
[[Image:Bf1-shotgun.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Unknown shotgun - needs an identification]]
So I added bunch of new weapons that came out from the second gameplay trailer, and I need some help identifying this shotgun. I know that there is a confirmation that Winchester M1897 "Trench Gun" is going to be in the game, but this gun is shown very briefly in first person view, and I am not sure whether it's M1897 or not. If this gun is from WW1 then Winchester Model 12 might be another possible candidate, but that I cannot guarantee. What do you guys think? [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
:Those sights are throwing me off. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:34, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::I could be wrong, but that could be either the Stevens Model 520 or the Remington Model 10. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::I think you are right about Remington Model 10. If you look closely on the top of receiver, there is a bulged rail-looking part for mounting attachments(like the optic in the image) and I haven't seen that thing on M1897/M520. Now Winchester Model 12 also has that part on top of the receiver, but when I looked at the footage frame by frame, there were no shells ejecting on the right side, which fits the description of Model 10's bottom feed/ejecting mechanism. Unless I see any other suggestion of what that shotgun might be by tomorrow, I will update it to Remington Model 10. Thanks for the suggestion! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
::::A quick update to my previous comment. I just checked the new multiplayer gameplay footage from Jackfrags and kill-feed confirms that it is Remington Model 10(It says Model 10-A-HE, which I assume it is one of the pre-set customization options). I will update the main page right away! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
:::::Wow...so I actually knew something right about a gun being shown!--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:37, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::About the names and presets, it seems every gun has a two-letter bit at the end of its name denoting the different presets, but I haven't figured out what they actually mean. About the sights, it seems the game as some sort of early dual-lens system where the front and rear sights are replaced with lenses that give the player what is effectively a 2x scope. Keep this in mind if you're trying to ID something and the sights are like this. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:25, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::On a sidenote, I think that the picture of the shotgunner getting hit with a shovel should be moved under the Model 10, as the model clearly lacks a hammer. Now, granted, the pump handle is shoved under the receiver, so you could argue that the same applies to the other moving parts, including the hammer, but I'm more inclined to believe that the victim of a shovel attack has (or rather, had) a Model 10. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 08:45, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::How come they didn't include the extra round chambering on this shotgun in the closed alpha. Maybe they will fix it in the final release? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:28, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::Probably trying to use WW1 era gun handling techniques. Notice how handguns are now held with one hand? I don't think chambering a shell, then loading the tube was a common military practice for shotguns back then. I could be wrong though.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 15:13, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::This is likely it. From my not-super-educated-on-the-era perspective, BF3/4's loading the chamber first, then the tube definitely feels more "modern" and "tactical", while loading the tube first and ending with a pump feels more "classic" and "old school". Also, another fun fact is that you can cancel/shorten reloads if you need to ready the gun quickly. Mag-fed guns can't do this of course, but anything that uses stripper clips and single-round loading can. If you hit the fire button while reloading, the round/clip currently being inserted will finish loading, then you'll rechamber the gun right after, so for rifles you'll close the bolt and shotguns you'll pump them, and I assume this will apply to revolvers in the full game as well. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:26, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::::You should therefore also expect to see a lot of terrible trigger discipline since the military didn't teach it to soldiers back then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:10, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Makes sense. Only time will tell if an extra round can at least be chambered by reloading the Model 10 a second time after an empty reload (like mag-fed weapons do). Btw Call of Duty 3 made two interesting things regarding this topic: an empty reload of the Winchester M1897 involved loading 5 shells, pumping and then automatically inserting an extra one, and while loading two stripper clips into the Lee-Enfield you could actually interrupt the process and fire the weapon after loading only one. It's extremely silly that such features weren't carried on in any of the 10 following games. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 19:49, 19 July 2016 (EDT)

==Weapon identifications by Forgotten Weapons==
Forgotten Weapon uploaded a few videos analyzing the different guns that appeared in the teaser trailer and the gameplay trailer. [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 22:41, 12 June 2016 (EDT) 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRRlVElEXI] - Teaser Trailer analysis 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19hohCtdJ4Y] - Gameplay Trailer analysis

I also will run the assumption that no matter if it was introduced at the beginning or end of the war, we will be seeing any gun that existed during this time period regardless if it served in actual combat. Like I bet the BAR will be an awesome weapon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:29, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

I am fearing that the game designers will put sights that are the closest thing there will be to "optics" because gamers and kids these days just love their red dots and can't seem to want to play period pieces without their red dots. Greatest example is COD black ops where red dots galore before red dots were even thought possible for long guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:25, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

:Holy damn, they added a Cei-Rigotti, I may have to buy this game. :P --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:32, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

::Well, you do have things that look pretty close to modern optics like [http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/17982/17332762_1.jpg?v=8D086BA4C1ABE20 this thing], which is a rare Zeiss-made 2.5x prismatic magnifier. Also reflex sights are [https://www.forgottenweapons.com/nydar-reflex-sight/ a bit older than you think], they just didn't really catch on at first. Even some WW1 fighter planes had red-dot reflector gunsights, in fact, though you'd never see them officially because they were top-secret: as late as WW2 the RAF was still messing around with photographs to replace reflector sights on Spitfires with old wire bullseye sights.

::Also, regarding the mystery scope on the Beretta M1918, I found [http://www.enfieldresource.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cropped-azzzzzz1.jpg this] image of a Lee-Enfield with what looks like some kind of magnifying rear sight, but I couldn't find any sites describing it or giving it a name. Anyone know? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:49, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:::It looks like Parker-Hale aperture backsight, most likely [http://www.rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights.htm Model 4] (though it was used with No.4 Mk I rifle). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:46, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
https://imgur.com/gallery/QV6Fc
Speaking of ForgottenWeapons, apparently he took a trip to DICE's LA studio, and assisted them. Dunno how, but it gives me faith that the weapons will at least be modelled and animated as close to authentic as possible.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:42, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
::I can't be the only one who, if I was the one picking the teams for the livestream, would have invited him to play?--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 12:24, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

== Reloading rifles that require opening the action ==
Despite my initial concerns due to how terrible Youtube compression is, making it hard to see details, the round ejected when opening the action is actually accounted for. And by "accounted for", I mean your character covers the ejection port with their left hand as you open the bolt, putting the ejecting round back into the internal magazine. Thought you guys would find this interesting. Literally the ''only'' inaccuracy I'm finding with weapon reloading is the C96, but the alternative is not allowing reloads unless empty, so I can let that one slide. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:20, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
:Love it when animators put details like that into reload animations. That's why i like MoH: Warfighter, delicious animations.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:37, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
::But in the B1 has a realistic reloading (with half-empty magazine replaced by a full magazine no jerks once again charging handle); as well as the balance between the stripper clips and the individual rounds to rifles (insert a stripper clip when you can insert a five ammo to the rifle's magazine, and the pre-load with the individual cartridges) - something that is very rarely see in the video games, and already is an achievement in itself. As for the animations, I hope that they will correct their later, as now the game is only in alpha stage. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:57, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
:::Considering the attention to detail and the selection firearms, this is looking to be atleast interesting to play just to see all the guns.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:58, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I wonder if they'll have the dafter stuff like the catapults and grenade-launching crossbows they developed before everyone came to their senses and started using rifle grenades? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::Your post reminds me of that knife with a bipod from BF4, that was fun.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:52, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::5 bucks says that they include the Blanch-Chevalier. For those that don't know, it was basically a Martini-Henry with the barrel replaced with a setup that allows for the use of proprietary muzzle-loading grenades and blank cartridges, fired from the shoulder just to make it more ridiculous. Only 1 exists, but given the Cei-Rigotti, it seems likely. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:55, 1 July 2016 (EDT)

== Unknown LMG ==
[[Image:Bf1 unk mg.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
He was seen in the pre-alpha. At first I thought it was the Colt Model 1895; but it seems to be something other. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:27, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:Actually it's not a machine gun, it is an anti-tank weapon ''1.59-inch Breech-Loading Vickers Q.F. Gun, Mk II''. There are some BF1 videos where it is being used against, well, tanks. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 12:51, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
::As I understand, it will replace the rocket launchers from WWII shooters. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:59, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

== Alpha data mined ==

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1241794

A list of all the weapon names obtained from the Alpha files. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

:That's definitely a list of weapons from singleplayer, though that said the odds of SP-only guns should be pretty low. I'm excited for some of those pistols. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:42, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

::Heh, Mars pistol in there as the game's Desert Eagle. Wonder if it costs health to shoot it like the real one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:59, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::This is clearly not a complete list. There are missing the many weapons, that are already in the game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 15:06, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
::::Well, this is pulled out of the files (probably for SP) so it's entirely possible some of the MP weapons don't appear in SP. It's also entirely possible some of the weapons on that list will only ever be on that list.
::::I'm a little confused as to what use a 2.7mm smoothbore pistol with an almighty 3 foot-pounds of muzzle energy is going to be in-game, though. The Kolibri makes a .22LR look like a cannon. In fact given the Kolibri is [http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kolibri_and_round_next_to_a_50_AE_bullet_for_comparison.jpg this big] (that's a .50 AE round beside it), it's going to be hard to even see it in your character's hand.
::::What I'm really hoping is somewhere in the DLC they do a Battle of Jutland map where every squad leader can spawn a Dreadnought or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:24, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::Why am I getting the vibe with this is that they just watched any Forgotten Weapons video with a gun from before 1918 and just said, sure let's put that in. I mean the Kolibri's are rare, the Mars were effectively relics by WWI, Howdah's were hunting guns and their military uses were more in India and South Africa, Bulldog's were sort of petering out in popularity with civilians and next to none were in military hands. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 10:26, 4 July 2016 (EST)
::::::Well it's not like it's ever ''not'' been like that given Battlefield's tendency towards things like Pancor Jackhammers and MagPul PDRs and such. Even the first one had you fighting with the StG-44 before it had been invented and with the HMS ''Prince of Wales'' after she'd been sunk. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:44, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, the Battlefield series is known for taking artistic liberties in their games. Don't forget the Tiger I in Operation Battleaxe a year before they entered service. Then of course you have the Secret Weapons pack and all they added. DICE likes to use low production or even just prototypes for their games, and keeping them to the correct chronological point isn't their concern. [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 14:47, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
I gotta say, I quite like that they put these rare or low production weapons in their games, makes the games more interesting and shows of weapons people might never heard of before. If i want historical accuracy, I'd play Red Orchestra or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
:I'll second this entirely. There are so many very cool and interesting guns (and vehicles and other tech) I'd never heard of before, I love it! And really, ''every'' Battlefield's weapon list is like this. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:10, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, it makes it more interesting then just having everyone run around with Nagants and Mausers and whatnot.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:02, 4 July 2016 (EDT)

==Neat Video==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCOj7ez3H8].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 01:06, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
: Something I see there besides the Auto-5 and MG15, I also see the Remington Model 8 as well. Currently an image of it is being used to showcase the Auto-5 which is incorrect as I do not believe the Auto-5 ever held 8 rounds. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 08:51, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
::Well, the Model 8 could be running the 15-rounder, and just isn't fully loaded. Also, we saw the M1918 Mauser 13.2mm, and an icon of the Webley-Fosbery autorevolver (which, by the way, YES) for a split-second. Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:52, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
:::I am thoroughly surprised the Chauchat has yet to be revealed. Here's to hoping the French's 8x50mmR Lebel makes it into the game over the US's .30-06 version. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 21:12, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::The Borchardt C-93, Steyer M1912, and Frommer Stop machine pistol are in some of the recent videos from Gamescon.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 21:23, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::I'd bet the Chauchat will be in the France DLC. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:12, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::Selbstlader M1916 in the hands of an desert infantryman? O_o. I understand everything, but in real life Mauser Selbstlader and the desert - the things, I think, very poorly compatible. Where it would be logical, if it would the pilot's choice of weapon. -[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

==Beta Data Mine, Full Weapon List==
Unlike the previous one, this looks to be a full, proper list of [https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/523ly0/bf1_full_weapon_list_including_gadgets_and/ all weapons], including their presets. As a Canadian, I will absolutely be rocking the Huot Automatic Rifle. Edit: I made an [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/523mef/full_weapon_list_including_gadgets_and_variants/d7hbq46 easier to read version]. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:02, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
:>holy moley a Kolibri pistol
:Forgotten Weapons: The Game is really shaping up well.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:43, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
::Replacing my previous text, as I've put together a [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/529uf8/full_weapon_list_cleaned_organized_and_new/ much more legible and complete list]. I'd be surprised if this isn't a complete list. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:32, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
:::Again, I'm surprised that the Chauchaut hasn't been confirmed yet. I mean, it was the first widely used, man portable, fully automatic rifle. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 16:27, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
::::Probably all the French weapons are supposed to be in the first DLC.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:34, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::I'd bet anything the France DLC will have the RSC 1917, Chauchat, Lebel (and an Assault gun), while the Russia DLC will have the Fedorov Avtomat and Mosin-Nagant (and Assault/Support guns). [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:30, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::French Assault class automatic will most likely be ''Ribeyrolles Mle. 1918'', calling it now! I really wonder what they could bring in the Russian DLC, maybe more Winchester self loading rifles?--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 09:09, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Figured you guys would want to see [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/559aey/ingame_images_of_the_2mm_kolibri_pistol/ this]. :3 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:31, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Imagine it serves as a melee weapon that behaves akin to an extreme choking hazard.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 17:27, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Maybe it's for the yet-to-be-revealed Ant class. On a more serious note, my best guesses for the French DLC are an Mle. 1892, a Star Ruby (along with a possible Plus Ultra variant), a Savage pistol, and maybe an 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne as a joke (with a muzzle velocity of about 2 m/s), a Ribeyrolles 1918, a Chauchat, an RSC 1917 or 1918, a Lebel, a Berthier, and maybe a Remington Rolling Block. Only time will tell. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:13, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::Hopefully after you've emptied the weapon and dirtied someones shirt you can throw it at them. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:50, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
On a slightly less related note, we've got confirmation of the M1889 Bodeo, based on some early footage of the cinematic tools available ingame, along with the BAR. It's in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_j6D1NsHc/ this video.] Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:14, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:Nice to finally see some revolver gameplay, though I do want to see their reloads, what with most of them using loading gates. Also, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMPTc6E9wxo the Avanti Savoia teaser], with a shot of a rather unique weapon in it. :3 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:47, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::Hey, it seemed to me, or I saw this there: --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:56, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
[[File:Fake Villar Perosa from The Sicilian.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]

==Some Weapons + Skins==
Found this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YmPP2h8u40/ here] of a guy showcasing some weapons and weapon skins. Added the ones that I saw, also I'm not liking many of those skins at all in my honest opinion. The flashy gold engraving is not too bad but most of them are pretty bad. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 16:53, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:It's a WWI game, you don't need skins. It looks quite ironic when a gold plated BAR gets muddy in St. Quentin Scar.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:21, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:: It's not like this is a game about realism. Prototypes and experimental designs being used as standard issue and all. Not to mention tactics not seen until the Second World War(Literally saw a combined armed blitzkrieg assault using RE8s and Mark IV tanks). [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 17:40, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Nice to see that DICE have acknowledged the M1897's slam fire capability.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:14, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Just a [https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/57emdb/bf1_if_you_equip_the_m1903_experimental_and/ little something] I discovered today. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:20, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
::::Some more weapons can be seen from gameplay in Jackfrags video, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMcq87FVSc/ Sentry Destruction] which includes a new Sawn Off Shotgun for the Tank Hunter class [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 14:43, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cErZWtWCgAY The 2mm Kolibri is in the game], which [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THsDpGJcpk8 Forgotten Weapons made a video about].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 17:46, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

==Can't shake modern warfare ==

I just watched the early footage of the game yesterday and watching the player go through the first couple missions, I'd noticed that the creators of this game really can't get away from everything modern warfare style games have done to the genre of shooters. You first start off with the broom handle, sure that's ok. Churchill himself used one in his youth but then, you can tell the progression of the player as he picked up the "essentially an assault rifle" and going to town, then switching up to full auto weapons. It's cool to use those types of guns, but the historical inaccuracy is just painful and we know why they did it. They designed this game to feel like modern warfare with guns close enough to today's automatic guns in a time period that didn't have a lot of that in the actual feel. It's like if they make a Civil War game and we constantly see Henry rifles even though they weren't that prominent on the battlefield, despite being game changers. It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
: "It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm." Yes, that is the point. This is an AAA game trying to compete on the shooter market with the mass of gamers, not a game made for people who want realism. Using tactics of the Great War, with common weapons of the Great War, would be too slow for the average shooter player(Look at the insanity of Titanfall). To be a big seller, you have to have intense fast paced action, and bolt actions and trench warfare doesn't do that. Instead of have a gamer closer to a World War 2 game, because fast mechanized warfare is what the average gamer wants. Remember, this game isn't for us older people into the historical lore of the firearms of the period, but for that range from 15-25. [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::I've noticed exactly that watching some of the game-play videos out now. In one of the story modes the character has a bolt-action for about 30 seconds before switching to a semi-auto rifle and then picking up a portable machine gun. Based on a lot of weaponry it seems the game developers based most of it on the Forgotten Weapons youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/videos [[User:brasco|brasco]] ([[User talk:brasco|talk]]) 15:16, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::::Well, in this sort of situation, there's always a balance between realism and fun. On one hand, you can't just throw realism out the window and have people running around with AUGs and SPAS-12s like it's Black Ops, but on the other hand, were it to be ''completely'' realistic, you'd spend about a month of your time sitting in a trench with a bolt-action rifle, waiting to get trenchfoot or die of an infection. Sure, it's not terribly historically accurate, but I'm fine with them fictionalizing the available armaments of the war (at least to the extent of things that existed, but weren't issued in large numbers/ at all) in exchange for a more enjoyable game. If you want a more realistic WW1 shooter, go get a copy of Verdun. But anyway, that's just the opinion of [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:03, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:::::Well said. Also, you're free to use or not use whatever weapons you want in campaign, so it's not like you have to use something out of place if you don't want. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:09, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

== Villa-Perosa 1915 ==

There was a Villa-Perosa 1915 in one of the recent gameplay videos on YouTube. It could be picked up from weapon boxes spread around the maps. Should this be added?--[[User:Hchris|Hchris]] ([[User talk:Hchris|talk]]) 14:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
:Of course. Also, it should be noted that though the HUD shows it holding "25", that's ''shots'', not individual rounds. It fires two at once, thus is correctly 50 rounds. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:56, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
::I believe it's available as an alternate weapon for the Sentry Elite Class. It trades firepower for added mobility I believe. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 18:22, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

==Kolibri==
Seriously, this cute little pistol actually existed? How do you actually use that thing though (in terms of practicality)? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 20:16, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
:It's adorable and does 5 damage at point blank, 25 for a headshot. Also, while we're on this topic, it's capacity of 7+1 looks to be correct (whoever wrote otherwise). While Ian of Forgotten Weapons did say it didn't like loading all seven, the magazines were clearly designed for seven. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:21, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's actually half as powerful as the UK muzzle energy cutoff for an air pistol to be considered a firearm. Given the designer was a watchmaker (and you basically have to load the thing with tweezers because the rounds are so dinky), it was probably more a "look what I can do" thing. Or a pistol so that your actual pistol can defend itself. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Welp. I loved it when how the player hands reacts when receiving this pistol for first time. And how gently the player hands pulled the slide and shoot it like holding a tiny tea cup. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

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Talk:13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

2016-03-22T09:54:35Z

Alex Vostox:

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:09, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

[[File:13H 318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left.]]
[[Knight's Armament SR-25|M110 SASS]] maybe? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
This is an HK417--[[User:CFS01|CFS01]] ([[User talk:CFS01|talk]]) 15:05, 3 September 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[PK Machine Gun|PKM]]? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd gen Glock, an intermediate variant, a [[Glock 19]] or quite possibly a [[Glock 23]], though the slide looks a bit off (could be some kind of custom slide). The other pistol looks like the SIG P226R mentioned on the page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:50, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
:That would be in keeping with these guys being former SEALs. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 04:54, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
[[File:13H 326.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

AR looks like a Salient Arms AR15 with their Jailbreak muzzle attachment

== The Book ==

Just finished the book this movie is based on. The only weapons mentioned (clearly) are M4s, AKs, PKMs and a belt fed machine gun, carried by the GRS operators, that is only described as being 22lbs. with a 200 round belt so I am guessing it is/was an M249 variant. Oh and not that it's germain to the topic of this site but 'Jack Silva' is actually a pseudonym...the real guy chose anonymity when the book was being written in collaboration with the Annex Security Team. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:49, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

Also weren't some of these guys Navy SEALs? I know guys in the services will always distinguish being called a Soldier, a Marine, a Sailor and an Airman. They don't like or want the one term for all guys who serve to be thrown around and consider misidentification a bit insulting. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:31, 4 November 2015 (EST)
:Two of the Annex Security team members were former SEALs, three were former Marines and one was a former Ranger. One member of the 'relief' force was also a former SEAL and the others were active duty SOF. But these guys, strictly speaking, were not CIA. They were members of the Global Response Staff which, while made up of some CIA staffers, is usually comprised of former SOF operators who act as security for intelligence outposts and diplomats. My guess is the creation of that group was due to the fall from grace of Blackwater and other PMCs. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 20:15, 5 November 2015 (EST)

== Saw it tonight ==
Pretty intense movie. A few things that stood out were that the M4s appeared to have correct A2 flash hiders judging by their muzzle flashes, there were two Deltas with suppressed HK416 D10RS, during one scene in a market a merchant is briefly seen holding up an AKMSU with the original thumbhole forestock, and in the same scene was shown a Beretta PM12S. The Daesh militants also used mortars I couldn't ID to bombard the annex. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:11, 15 January 2016 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure they weren't ISIS, rather the north African Al-Qaeda cell.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:13, 15 January 2016 (EST)
::Then the production goofed, because they were flying Daesh's current black standard.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (EST)
::: Almost close to reality when all the AST members with assault rifle fired them in semi-automatic. And Tig have a difficulty taking out the technical until he calculated the range correctly.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

::In the scene with the Beretta PM12s at the arms bazaar there was also a FN F2000. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 16:21, 7 February 2016 (EST)

==Does Michael Bay got sponsored by Salient Arms International?==
I don't mind when Transformers: Age of Extinction science-fiction got a load of Salient Arms International product placement but this? Its like when Baretta tries to convince us that the US Navy SEAL in Lone Survivor used Baretta M9 as their official sidearm. Does the operator involved in Benghazi Attack really used Salient Arms International product during actual attack? [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

It did kinda bothered me that these really expensive guns are in this movie. Unless the contractor company the guys technically work under issued them really expensive hardware, I kinda don't believe it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:31, 24 January 2016 (EST)

According to the Feb.issue of Guns & Ammo, the anwer is no:"...Micheal Bay...wanted to show these guys were always looking to improve their kit...We wanted to have some really visually unique pieces in the film." The article is quoting Harry Humphries, the film's armorer.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Look at it this way - it's a way to visually identify a certain character, especially when you have a bunch of guys with beards running around with helmets and body armor and carrying almost identical weapons. Rone's weapons were probably chosen as a way to make him stand out, especially considering he was the leader of the response team. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 03:59, 25 January 2016 (EST)

So I'm the only one who can actually tell these guys apart and not because of their weapons? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:15, 25 January 2016 (EST)
::Doubt you're the only one. The explanation I gave I actually saw here in another article (can't remember which one) where a character was described as being given a certain weapon as a form of standing out from the other castmembers. Or something along those lines. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 06:14, 27 January 2016 (EST)

I also changed the AR-15 part a little bit. Apparently SAI calls this specific variant the "GRY rifle". The Jailbreak muzzle brake and that rail was only developed in 2015, so I added the anachronism part for just this rifle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:44, 25 January 2016 (EST)

== HK417 ==
What's with the replacement of the screen-used gun image with a stock one? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:No clue, i think there was a pic of it on the talk page for the 416/417 before but it's gone too. Maybe there was some legal trouble or something? Or maybe it wasn't the actual gun. Sure looked like it was the screen-used variant.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:33, 25 January 2016 (EST)
::The image was uploaded by somebody from the armourers for the film, however he has had to remove it: "It is our image and rifle but production have asked that we remove it for the time being." --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:47, 26 January 2016 (EST)
:::The last pic on the 417 entry, is that a rubber prob?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:10, 26 January 2016 (EST)
::::I don't think so, there are several aspects of it which are generally impossible to do on a rubber casting. For example, the gap around the stock where it slides over the buffer tube wouldn't be there on a solid casting. Also, with the handguard you can see that it is correctly free floating around the barrel and gas block and the vent holes are still open, again something which wouldn't generally be the case with a stunt rubber casting. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:12, 27 January 2016 (EST)
:::::There was something about the finish that made me think it was a rubber prop, but looking closer it's clearly the real deal.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:15, 27 January 2016 (EST)

13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

2016-03-22T09:46:09Z

Alex Vostox:

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|name = ''13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi''
|picture = 13-hours-1.jpg
|caption = ''Theatrical Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[Michael Bay]]
|date= 2016
|language = English
|studio=
|distributor=Paramount Pictures
|character1=Jack Silva
|actor1=[[John Krasinski]]
|character2=Rone
|actor2=[[James Badge Dale]]
|character3=Tanto
|actor3=[[Pablo Schreiber]]
|character4=Boon
|actor4=[[David Denman]]
|character5= The Chief
|actor5=[[David Costabile]]
|character6= Oz
|actor6=[[Max Martini]]
}}

{{Film Title}}
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=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226R==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226R ]] is the pistol carried by Jack Silva ([[John Krasinski]]).
[[Image:P226R.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226R - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:13H 308.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Jack Silva ([[John Krasinski]]) when confronted by militia.]]
[[File:13H 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack draws his SIG-Sauer as Rone also draws his Glock.]]

==Salient Arms International Glock 19==
"Rone" ([[James Badge Dale]]) draws a Salient Arms International [[Glock 19]] Tier 1 pistol at local militia members.
[[Image:SAIGlock19.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Salient Arms International Glock 19 Tier 1 Model - 9x19 Parabellum]]
[[File:13H 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Rone" ([[James Badge Dale]]) draws a Salient Arms International [[Glock 19]] Tier 1 pistol and Jack draws his SIG-Sauer during a confrontation.]]

==Glock 17==
Ambassador Stevens ([[Matt Letscher]]) is seen with a [[Glock 17]] as his sidearm to defend himself when the attackers storm onto the Mission. Several other characters in the film also use Glock 17s.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:13hrsGlock17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock is seen in the hands of Ambassador Stevens.]]

==TT-30==
A black market rebel wields a TT-30 at the MANPAD buy back scene.
[[Image:TT-30.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Tokarev TT-30 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]

=Rifles=
==Colt M4A1==
Jack Silva ([[John Krasinski]]) and "Oz" ([[Max Martini]]) carry [[Colt M4A1|Colt M4A1s]] as their rifle of choice. Team members "Boon" ([[David Denman]]), "Tanto" ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) and "Tig" ([[Dominic Fumusa]]) also carry and use M4A1s as secondary weapons. CIA security personal are also armed with M4A1s. The M4A1s are all equipped with EoTech Sights, AN/PEQ-15 Laser Designators, Surefire Flashlights, Magpul Buttstocks and PMags, as well as forward grips.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with Aimpoint red dot sight, vertical foregrip and RIS handguard - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:13-hours-hero-shot.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The main cast with their M4 carbines.]]
[[File:13H 321.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silva with the M4.]]
[[File:13H 327.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silva advances armed with the carbine.]]
[[File:13HRS-JS-M4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Profile of the M4.]]
[[File:13HRS-M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oz ([[Max Martini]]) takes aim with the M4.]]

==MK 18 Mod 0 CQB==
Glen Doherty ([[Toby Stephens]]) arms himself with a [[M16 rifle series#CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0|Mk. 18 Mod 0]] fitted with a tac light and EOTech XPS holographic sight. DS Agents assigned to protect Ambassador Stevens are also armed with MK18 rifles with the same rifle load out.
[[Image:Mk18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 with LMT rear sight, RIS foregrip, and Crane stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:13HRS-MK18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Salient Arms International GRY Rifle==
"Rone"([[James Badge Dale]]), is seen using a Salient Arms International Tier One AR-15 as his rifle of choice, also called the "GRY Rifle", pronounced "grey" like the color. The rifle is equipped with EoTech sights, AN/PEQ-15 laser designator, and Salient Arms' trademark "Jailbreak" muzzle device attached to the end of its barrel. Note that this anachronistic because this rifle, specifically the Jailbreak and the rail it attaches to was only developed and put to market in 2015.
[[File:SalientArmsTier1 AR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Salient Arms International Tier One AR-15 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:13H 326.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rone with his Salient Arms Rifle. (Note the exposed titanium nitride coated bolt carrier group, another signature trademark of Salient Arms weapons.)]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416==
Two of the Delta Force operators that accompany Glen Doherty to rescue the besieged Benghazi personnel are both armed with [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] D10RS Carbines. The rifles are equipped with Advanced Armament Corp. suppressors, EOTech EXPS3/SU-231A/PEQ sights and AN/PEQ-15 ATPIALs.
[[Image:HK416 current.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS with 10.4 inch barrel - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK417==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK417]] is the rifle used throughout the film. The rifle is first seen earlier in the movie manned by Oz ([[Max Martini]]), providing sniper cover for the team when they buy back stolen Gaddafi weapons from arms dealers. The HK417 is then used by Boon ([[David Denman]]) during the remainder of the film. Seen fitted with a Harris bipod, CNVD and telescopic scope.
[[Image:HK417_12MOD.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Heckler & Koch HK417 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[File:13H 318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left is carried by Boon ([[David Denman]]).]]
[[File:13HRS-HK417.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Rifle in the background.]]
[[File:Screen Shot 2015-11-05 at 11.42.55.jpeg|thumb|none|601px|Close up on the CNVD.]]
[[File:13HRS-HK417-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px]]
[[File:Max-martin-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oz ([[Max Martini]]) takes aim with the HK417]]

==AIMS==
A few militia are armed with AIMS.
[[Image:RomanianAIMS std.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AIMS - 7.62x39mm]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
Background Militia can been seen with Type 56 rifles. Some February 17th Martyrs Brigade militia also use nickel plated variants.
[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BellyNorincoType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nickel plated Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]

==AKMS==
[[AKMS]] rifles are used by the militia storming the Benghazi compound.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:13H 310.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Militants hold their rifles. ]]
[[File:13H 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The militants advances with their rifles.]]

==AKM==
Militia can also been seen using the full stock AKM.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:13HRS-AKM1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

==FN FAL==
A militia member is armed with an [[FN FAL]].
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:13H 303.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The militant with the rifle.]]

=Machine Guns=
==FN M249 SAW Paratrooper==
Members of the Annex Security Team (AST) including "Tanto" ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) and "Tig" [[(Dominic Fumusa)]] are armed with what appear to be [[M249 SAW|M249 SAW Paratrooper]]s with components of the Product Improvement Package (PIP) but with no heat shields attached to either of them.
[[Image:M249 Para ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|401px|M249 SAW Paratrooper - this one features components of the Product Improvement Package (PIP), including the new telescoping stock, heat shield, and RIS handguard, and is also fitted with an ACOG scope and a 100-round woodland camo cloth ammo bag - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:13H 316.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The LMG is placed on the table.]]
[[File:13HRS-M249-FLASH.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Tanto lets off a burst from his SAW.]]
[[File:13H 301.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tanto clears the room while armed with his M249.]]
[[File:13H 325.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tanto ([[Pablo Schreiber]]) and another AST member open fire with their machine guns.]]

==M240B==
Rone uses an [[FN MAG|M240B]] GPMG to defend the Annex.
[[Image:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M240B 7.62x51mm NATO with newer style lower hand grip (designed to attach RIS rails via hex nut)]]
[[File:13hrsM240B 001.jpg|thumb|none|601px|"Rone" is seen manning a M240B.]]
[[File:13hrsM240B 002.jpg|thumb|none|601px| Another view of the M240B.]]

==RPD Light Machine Gun==
A militia member storming the compound is seen with an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:13H 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The militant on the right is seen holding the RPD.]]

==PKM==
Dual [[PKM]] machine guns are seen mounted on a vehicle during the attack.
[[Image:HungarianPKM.jpg|thumb|500px|none|PKM with latest version of Flash hider - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[File:13H 315.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Dual PKM machine guns are used.]]

==DSHK==
A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen used by the insurgents mounted on a technical.
[[File:DShK_HMG.jpg|thumb|none|600px| DShKM - 12.7x108mm]]
[[File:13HRS-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px| This vehicle is fitted with dual DSHKs on a tripod.]]
[[File:13HRS-DSHK2.jpg|thumb|none|600px| The DSHK can be seen on a tripod in the foreground.]]
[[File:13HRS-DSHK3.jpg|thumb|none|600px| The DSHK can be seen on a tripod, circled in red.]]

==Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun==
.50Cals are seen mounted on technical vehicles used by the friendly February 17th Martyrs Brigade militia.
[[Image:BrowningM2HB.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]

==KPVT Heavy Machine Gun==
This insurgent technical vehicle appears to be fitted with twin mounted KPVTs.
[[File:Kpvt_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px| KPVT heavy machine gun - 14.5x114mm]]
[[File:13HRS-KPV.jpg|thumb|none|600px| The 40mm tears the vehicle apart.]]

=Shotguns=
== Remington Model 870 ==
After securing Ambassador Stevens in the safe-room, DS Agent Scott Wickland ([[David Giuntoli]]) arms himself with a compact Remington Model 870 with vindicator grips. When the DS Agents are in a car chase with the attackers in hot pursuit, one of the DS Agents Wesley ([[Kevin Kent]]) uses the compact shotgun to take out an attacking gunman who was close to shooting out their vehicle's bulletproof windows.
[[Image:Remington870Pstlgrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 500 Persuader==
When the mysterious attackers begin their assault on the CIA Annex, the Annex's Cook ([[Shane Rowe]]) uses a Mossberg 500 "Persuader" to defend the compound at ground level.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 "Persuader" with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge. This is the most commonly produced version of the 500 series today.]]

=Launchers=
==Heckler & Koch HK69A1 Grenade Launcher==
"Tig" (Dominic Fumusa) is seen using a [[Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler & Koch HK69A1]] Grenade Launcher to take out an enemy Technical as well as a couple of the attackers. "Tig" accidently leaves the HK69A1 as the team departs the burned Mission, and the grenade launcher is never seen again.
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch HK69A1 40mm]]
[[File:13hrsHK69A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|"Tig" (Dominic Fumusa) readies the launcher.]]
[[File:13HRS-HK69.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Firing the launcher. ]]

==RPG-7==
The Benghazi attackers use large numbers of [[RPG-7]]s during their attacks on the Mission and the Annex throughout the movie.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 40mm]]
[[File:13hrsRPG7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Closeup of the RPG.]]

== M1 81mm Mortar==
An [[M1 Mortar]] is used to attack the compound in the final wave of the attack.

==SA-7 Grail==
[[SA-7 Grail]]s are seen at the MANPAD buy back scene at the beginning of the film at the racetrack.
[[Image:800px-SA-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SA-7 Grail (Strela-2) surface to air missile - 70mm]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Michael Bay]]

Talk:Fulltime Killer

2016-02-02T03:18:17Z

Alex Vostox:

== Took me some time on this one ==

I might have missed a couple because some of the scenes a gun shows up in a blink of an eye. Been wanting to do this one for a long time [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

very nice work! this was a great movie and the caps came out nice.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Barret Sniper Scene ==

Re-watching the scene. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M380VQ83UtY) Apparently, the .50 Cal Barret M82 having a very fast rate of fire and almost no recoil compared to real life Barret M82. Does it possible for the gun actually a smaller caliber dressed as Barret M82? Plus, the ejection port is nothing like a real one. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

Talk:Girls und Panzer

2016-01-25T02:52:44Z

Alex Vostox: /* If this was real? */

== Introduction ==

Hi, thanks for sharing this piece of Japanese culture with us. I see the page is still 'under construction' but you may want to shorten the introduction a bit. The focus of this page is guns, not really on explaining the complete storyline, this can be found on pages like IMDB.com etc. How about below, where I took your text, deleted most lines but still keep an interesting story? [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 10:36, 1 January 2015 (EST)

'''''Girl Und Panzer is an anime series taking place in alternate reality where tankery has become a form of sport. Sensha-dō, meaning the "way of the tank", has risen in popularity among women and has been running since the 1920s.'''''

'''''Enter Miho Nishizumi, a new transfer student to the Ōarai Girls' Academy. Coming from a family of distinguished Sensha-dō tradition, Miho and her friends commandeer the Panzer IV with her as the commander, Saori as the communicator, Hana as the gunner, Yukari as the loader, and Mako as the driver.'''''

'''''With the team organized, the biggest challenge now awaits Miho, bringing the no-name school of Ōarai into the championship of the 63rd National High School Sensha-Doō Tournament against other high-tier schools!'''''

:There's nothing wrong with what's there now, with the exception of "with Miho as the commander due to her experiences. Miho and her friends commandeer the Panzer IV with her as the commander" which is three repetitions of "command" in much too short a space. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:41, 1 January 2015 (EST)
::Fixed it, sentence seems more cohesive now.[[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 11:02, 1 January 2015 (EST)

I'm pretty sure there are shot of Pravada's tanks firing MGs during the battle, and I know Rabbit fires their M1919 during the final battle to get the Maus's attention.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 13:13, 1 January 2015 (EST)
:Couldn't find a very good one of the T-34s firing close-up so that'll have to do.[[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 15:01, 1 January 2015 (EST)

== The Movie ==
So do we create a new page for the movie or no? [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 18:11, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
:I've been wondering the same. It seems unlikely there will be much that didn't appear in the anime; the Japanese-themed Chi-Ha Tan Academy with their Type 97 Chi-Has were in the anime (I'm in the process of adding them to the page now, and I think that's all we're missing), and (I can't remember if this was rumour or confirmed) there's a going to be a Finnish-themed team as well, but that's all I've heard. Unless the movie presents a really good reason to make a page for it, I think we should just add more pictures and a the couple new entries here; a movie page would be a massive list that's nearly a copy-paste. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:44, 14 August 2015 (EDT)

== Panzer IV MGs ==
I'd like input from those with better knowledge of the subject than me; in [https://www.flickr.com/photos/wata0602/18317097213/sizes/k/ this upcoming model display] (let me know if the link doesn't work) we can see a standalone MG34, being held by K-ON!'s Yui Hirasawa of all people. Is it possible Anglerfish's MGs are MG34s? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:29, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
: All German tanks uses the MG34 for their tank coaxial, bow mount machine guns because the later MG42's barrel change mechanism makes it hard to mount in this format (since you have to get a grip on the barrel shroud to open it, while the MG34 opens from near the receiver). I think it already says in the main page that Anglerfish's Panzer IV's machine guns are MG34s. Aside from that, that model looks awesomely detailed, but $200?! (25000 yen conversion). [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 19:26, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
::I... completely forgot they were already listed as MG34s on the page, goddamn, I feel stupid. xD Looking at them, that makes a lot of sense, cool. That is pretty expensive even though it's really nice; I recently picked up Turtle's gold 38(t) model kit for $25-ish, still need to build it. Also, they just recently [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1nFWQvIEw built a full scale Panzer IV J replica] and put it [http://i.imgur.com/HegLrqq.png in Akihabara] as a promo for the movie. Once we get some good pictures of it to use, it would make an interesting trivia entry, even though the MGs are replicas. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:30, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
::: I didn't know the movie was coming out already (8/29) O_O. Damn, that's a nice replica. Add in a working track system and an engine (if it doesn't have one already) and wham, a Panzer IV they could use for live shooting. [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 04:03, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
:::: Leave it to Japan for quality products, just like Howa-made AR-180 and their bolt action rifle. [[User:Johnny Akiba|Johnny Akiba]] ([[User talk:Johnny Akiba|talk]]) 18:30, 28 August 2015 (EDT)

== If this was real? ==

Okay, forgetting the budgeting and safety things that goes on with motor sports, how good of an idea would it be if tankery becomes a form of sport?
:Would be neat. Just imagine a Sherman covered with sponsorship decals like a NASCAR stock car. [[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)
Wasn't that Russian already done that with their annually Tank Biathlon? [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:Oh yeah, there's that thing. [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 17:24, 24 January 2016 (EST)
::Too bad there's NONE of them are NATO tanks. Only T-72, T-90 and the Chinese Type 2000..Imagine a friendly showdown between Abrams and PT-91M or Type 90..The closet NATO equivalent for Russian Tank Biathlon probably the long-dead Canadian Army Trophy. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

Talk:13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

2016-01-25T02:51:59Z

Alex Vostox:

Talk:Girls und Panzer

2016-01-25T02:28:15Z

Alex Vostox: /* If this was real? */

Talk:Double Tap

2016-01-24T15:31:42Z

Alex Vostox:

I have screencaps of the pistols used in this movie. Anyone want to help me post them? -[[User:Racegun|Racegun]]
:Email me at asianinvation946900@yahoo.com (no comments on the address, made this a really long time ago.) Anyway, don't expect the screens to go up immediately, school's been pretty busy lately but I can definitely find some time to put them up. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 00:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::I got the pictures, I will start posting them as soon as I can. I will need you to add commentary at the bottom of the pictures since I haven't seen the movie.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 20:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Will do. Thank you for your help. -[[User:Racegun|Racegun]]

What are the cool levers that look attached to the slide there using to rack slide in a reload? Ive never seen that as a factory option.
:Charging handle -[[User:Racegun|Racegun]]

==Editing the Glock and Raven Choi role==

From the HK Movie Database, Raven Choi is a Hong Kong Police Force G4 (VVIP Protection Unit) named Wong. Also for the HKPF G4 unit Glock, They taped a fluorescent tape on the slide of the Glock as agent/unit recognition.-[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

Double Tap

2016-01-24T15:26:04Z

Alex Vostox:

[[Image:Double Tap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Double Tap''(2000)]]

'''''Double Tap''''' is a 2000 Hong Kong action film starring [[Leslie Cheung]] as Rick, a pistol competition champion and HK cop who discovers his shooting technique has been copied in a series of homicides. The film was followed by 2010's ''[[Triple Tap]]''.

{{Film Title|Double Tap}}

__TOC__ 
= Pistols =
== 1911 pistol series ==
=== Customized 1911 ===
Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) uses this 9mm 1911 throughout the whole film which he customized himself.
[[Image:Rick_demons.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) pretending he's in a IPSC competition while fighting with his inner demons.]]
[[Image:Rick_fighting_with_inner_demons.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) points his gun at his reflection as he fights his demons.]]
[[Image:Rick_shooting.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) shooting at Hong Kong police officers at the range. Note how the trigger guard is different in this scene.]]
[[Image:Rick_magazine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) extracts the magazine in a cool way by rotating his wrists during a shootout with the police. Note how the trigger guard is different in this scene.]]
[[Image:Rick_Raven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) places the muzzle of his gun against Wong ([[Raven Choi Yip San]])'s head during the final shootout.]]
[[Image:Rick_loading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) places his gun on the table while loading magazines.]]
[[Image:Rick_pulling_slide.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) loading his gun.]]

=== Customized 1911 ===
A 9mm 1911 customized by Joe ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) for Miu ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]). Joe tells Miu that he put in a 13lbs recoil spring and to change the slide after 5,000 shots. Miu uses this gun for IPSC competition and to stop Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]).
[[Image:Miu_practice.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miu ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]) practicing before IPSC competition.]]
[[Image:Miu_practicing.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miu ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]) practicing before IPSC competition.]]
[[Image:Miu_up.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miu ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]) getting up to unload and clear his gun after shooting his last target.]]
[[Image:Miu_friend.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miu ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]) shocked after witnessing Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) save people by double tapping his friend, Yu ([[Alexander Chan Mong Wa]]) in the head during the competition.]]
[[Image:Miu_close_up.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of Miu's ([[Alex Fong Chung-Sun]]) gun.]]

=== Customized 1911 ===
A 9mm 1911 Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) hired to customize for C.C. Yeung ([[Henry Fong Ping]]).
[[Image:C.C._Yeung.jpg|thumb|none|600px|C.C. Yeung ([[Henry Fong Ping]]) aiming at his next target at the IPSC competition.]]
[[Image:C.C._Yeung_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|C.C. Yeung ([[Henry Fong Ping]]) testing the gun he hired Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) to customize.]]
[[Image:C.C._Yeung_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) unloading a magazine while testing C.C. Yeung's ([[Henry Fong Ping]]) gun.]]
[[Image:C.C._Yeung_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) loading a magazine into customer's gun.]]
[[Image:C.C._Yeung_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) with a customer's gun holstered.]]

=== Customized 1911 ===
Vincent ([[Vincent Kok Tak-Chiu]]) uses a customized 9mm 1911 for the IPSC competiton.
[[Image:Vincent_competition.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vincent ([[Vincent Kok Tak-Chiu]]) aims at a cardboard target.]]
[[Image:Vincent_lesson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vincent ([[Vincent Kok Tak-Chiu]]) about to show how poorly his skills are during his first lesson with Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]).]]

=== Other Customized 1911 ===
[[Image:Joe_(Joe_Cheung)_searches.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) searches for an intruder.]]
[[Image:Yu_(Alexander_Chan_Mong_Wa).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yu ([[Alexander Chan Mong Wa]]) trying to get someone to kill him so his family can collect life insurance.]]
[[Image:14_An_officer_aims_his_gun_at_Rick.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Hong Kong police officer takes his aim at Rick.]]
[[Image:1_Joe_(Joe_Cheung)_showing_IPSC_guns_to_students.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) displays raceguns for his students.]]
[[Image:6_Joe's_(Joe_Cheung)_student_firing_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Joe's ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) students firing a gun.]]
[[Image:8_Joe's_(Joe_Cheung)_student_accidentally_discharges_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Student accidentally discharges his gun.]]

=== Les Baer Custom 1911===
Joe Cheung Man Kwong who acts in the film is also the film's technical adviser. On the Special Features: Behind the Scenes of the DVD, he uses a Les Baer Custom 1911 to teach actors how to use a gun like a IPSC competitor and explains the modifications used on a racegun.
[[Image:Joe_Les_Baer.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Behind the scenes: Joe Cheung Man Kwong teaching an actor about raceguns.]]
[[Image:Joe_Les_Baer_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Behind the scenes: another view of the Les Baer Custom 1911.]]
[[Image:Joe_Les_Baer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Behind the scenes: Top view of Joe's Les Baer Custom 1911.]]

=== Strayer Voigt Infinity ===

[[Image:Infinity.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911 - .45 ACP]]
===Springfield Armory M1911===
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
[[Colt Detective Special]] with a synthetic grip can be seen being used by two Hong Kong police officers while taking cover from Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]). The Colt DS was the standard sidearm of HKPF officers in the criminal investigation units at that time the film was released, being replaced in favor of [[Glock 17]] pistols.
[[Image:ColtDS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:DoubleTap-Miu_SW38_reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px| An officer reloading his [[Colt Detective Special]] with a speedloader.]]
[[Image:DoubleTap-Miu_SW38.jpg||thumb|none|600px| A scared officer taking cover with his [[Colt Detective Special]] in hand.]]

== Glock 17 ==

A Third Generation [[Glock 17]] can be seen in the hands of Joe Cheung ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) and a Second Generation in the hands of Wong ([[Raven Choi Yip San]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Second Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:DoubleTap-_Raven_Choi_Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ([[Raven Choi Yip San]]) Wong tempting Rick's ([[Leslie Cheung]]) desire to kill, with his [[Glock 17]]. Note the fluorescent tape on the slide. A practice for Hong Kong Police Force G4 unit]]
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:DoubleTap-_Joe_Glock.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Joe ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) with his [[Glock 17]], as the surveyor of the HK IPSC competition, gets shot by Yu ([[Alexander Chan Mong Wa]]) whom is trying to force people to kill him so his family can collect life insurance.]]

== Beretta 92F ==
Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) loads a Beretta 92F at a shooting range, but never used the pistol.
[[Image:Beretta92F_LeftSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Rick_loading_Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) inserting a magazine.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Hong Kong Special Duties Unit officers use Heckler & Koch MP5A3s during the final shootout.
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Double_Tap_Special_Duties_Unit_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hong Kong Special Duties Unit officers load their Heckler & Koch MP5A3s with the classic "H&K Slap".]]

= Airsoft Guns =
Since guns are illegal in Hong Kong, Rick ([[Leslie Cheung]]) converts his pistols into airsoft pistols. Hong Kong law states airsoft guns may not be fired with a muzzle energy above two joules of kinetic energy.

Note: It is widely believed and preached by anti-airsoft and anti-gun advocates that Airsoft guns can be readily and easily converted to fire live rounds. That idea itself is both very expensive and impractical. The same can be reverse. Although it is not impossible, it is not feasible.

[[Image:Rick's_cache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick's cache of hidden pistols.]]
[[Image:Vincent_testing.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vincent (Vincent Kok Tak-Chiu) testing Rick's ([[Leslie Cheung]]) gun the kinetic energy of the BB.]]
[[Image:Vincent_testing_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vincent (Vincent Kok Tak-Chiu) testing Rick's ([[Leslie Cheung]]) gun for the kinetic energy of the BB while Joe ([[Joe Cheung Man Kwong]]) contemplates framing Rick.]]
[[Image:7_Rick's_(Leslie_Cheung)_confiscated_guns.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick's (Leslie_Cheung) confiscated gun.]]
[[Image:8_Rick's_(Leslie_Cheung)_confiscated_guns.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick's (Leslie_Cheung) confiscated gun.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Action Movie]]
[[Category: Chinese Produced]]
[[Category: Hong Kong Produced/Filmed]]

Talk:Girls und Panzer

2016-01-24T15:10:38Z

Alex Vostox: /* If this was real? */

Talk:Girls und Panzer

2016-01-24T15:10:15Z

Alex Vostox: /* If this was real? */

== Introduction ==

Hi, thanks for sharing this piece of Japanese culture with us. I see the page is still 'under construction' but you may want to shorten the introduction a bit. The focus of this page is guns, not really on explaining the complete storyline, this can be found on pages like IMDB.com etc. How about below, where I took your text, deleted most lines but still keep an interesting story? [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 10:36, 1 January 2015 (EST)

'''''Girl Und Panzer is an anime series taking place in alternate reality where tankery has become a form of sport. Sensha-dō, meaning the "way of the tank", has risen in popularity among women and has been running since the 1920s.'''''

'''''Enter Miho Nishizumi, a new transfer student to the Ōarai Girls' Academy. Coming from a family of distinguished Sensha-dō tradition, Miho and her friends commandeer the Panzer IV with her as the commander, Saori as the communicator, Hana as the gunner, Yukari as the loader, and Mako as the driver.'''''

'''''With the team organized, the biggest challenge now awaits Miho, bringing the no-name school of Ōarai into the championship of the 63rd National High School Sensha-Doō Tournament against other high-tier schools!'''''

:There's nothing wrong with what's there now, with the exception of "with Miho as the commander due to her experiences. Miho and her friends commandeer the Panzer IV with her as the commander" which is three repetitions of "command" in much too short a space. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:41, 1 January 2015 (EST)
::Fixed it, sentence seems more cohesive now.[[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 11:02, 1 January 2015 (EST)

I'm pretty sure there are shot of Pravada's tanks firing MGs during the battle, and I know Rabbit fires their M1919 during the final battle to get the Maus's attention.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 13:13, 1 January 2015 (EST)
:Couldn't find a very good one of the T-34s firing close-up so that'll have to do.[[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 15:01, 1 January 2015 (EST)

== The Movie ==
So do we create a new page for the movie or no? [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 18:11, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
:I've been wondering the same. It seems unlikely there will be much that didn't appear in the anime; the Japanese-themed Chi-Ha Tan Academy with their Type 97 Chi-Has were in the anime (I'm in the process of adding them to the page now, and I think that's all we're missing), and (I can't remember if this was rumour or confirmed) there's a going to be a Finnish-themed team as well, but that's all I've heard. Unless the movie presents a really good reason to make a page for it, I think we should just add more pictures and a the couple new entries here; a movie page would be a massive list that's nearly a copy-paste. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:44, 14 August 2015 (EDT)

== Panzer IV MGs ==
I'd like input from those with better knowledge of the subject than me; in [https://www.flickr.com/photos/wata0602/18317097213/sizes/k/ this upcoming model display] (let me know if the link doesn't work) we can see a standalone MG34, being held by K-ON!'s Yui Hirasawa of all people. Is it possible Anglerfish's MGs are MG34s? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:29, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
: All German tanks uses the MG34 for their tank coaxial, bow mount machine guns because the later MG42's barrel change mechanism makes it hard to mount in this format (since you have to get a grip on the barrel shroud to open it, while the MG34 opens from near the receiver). I think it already says in the main page that Anglerfish's Panzer IV's machine guns are MG34s. Aside from that, that model looks awesomely detailed, but $200?! (25000 yen conversion). [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 19:26, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
::I... completely forgot they were already listed as MG34s on the page, goddamn, I feel stupid. xD Looking at them, that makes a lot of sense, cool. That is pretty expensive even though it's really nice; I recently picked up Turtle's gold 38(t) model kit for $25-ish, still need to build it. Also, they just recently [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1nFWQvIEw built a full scale Panzer IV J replica] and put it [http://i.imgur.com/HegLrqq.png in Akihabara] as a promo for the movie. Once we get some good pictures of it to use, it would make an interesting trivia entry, even though the MGs are replicas. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:30, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
::: I didn't know the movie was coming out already (8/29) O_O. Damn, that's a nice replica. Add in a working track system and an engine (if it doesn't have one already) and wham, a Panzer IV they could use for live shooting. [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 04:03, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
:::: Leave it to Japan for quality products, just like Howa-made AR-180 and their bolt action rifle. [[User:Johnny Akiba|Johnny Akiba]] ([[User talk:Johnny Akiba|talk]]) 18:30, 28 August 2015 (EDT)

== If this was real? ==

Okay, forgetting the budgeting and safety things that goes on with motor sports, how good of an idea would it be if tankery becomes a form of sport?
:Would be neat. Just imagine a Sherman covered with sponsorship decals like a NASCAR stock car. [[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:: Wasn't that Russian already done that with their annually Tank Biathlon? [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])

Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro

2015-11-04T02:09:50Z

Alex Vostox:

{{Unknown}}
{{Infobox Movie
|name = Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
|picture = Lupin Cagliostro poster.jpg
|caption = ''Anime Poster''
|country = [[Image:Japan.jpg|25px]] Japan
|director = Hayao Miyazaki
|date= 1979
|language = Japanese
|studio=Tokyo Movie Shinsha
|distributor=Toho
}}

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

=Pistols=
==Walther P38==
Lupin carries the [[Walther P38]] pistol throughout the movie.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Luger P08==
[[Luger P08]] is the personal firearm of Fujiko Mine.
[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm. This is a 1917 dated handgun, thus it is a World War One firearm.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko reloads her Luger.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko Mine fires.]]

=Revolvers=
==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Daisuke Jigen carries the [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]

==Type 26 Revolver==
[[Type 26 Revolver]] can be seen in the hands of Kawakami Tenose's corpse.
[[File:Type26Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Japanese Type 26 Revolver - 9mmJR]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 3 1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Revolver==
On the floor we can see an unknown revolver.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Submachine Gun=
==M3A1 "Grease Gun"==
Bank security uses [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] at the film beggining.
[[Image:Grease3 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MP40==
One of the Count Cagliostro's hencheman fires [[MP40]]
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good view of the MP40 shape.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Suomi KP/-31==
Several Count Cagliostro's hencheman can be seen armed with the [[Suomi KP/-31]].
[[Image:SuomiM31.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Suomi KP/-31 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 3 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 3 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Uzi==
Fujiko Mine fire [[Uzi]] with the wooden stock at the one moment.
[[Image:Uzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with detachable wood buttstock (late model with cheek cut out in comb) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Shotguns=
==Blunderbuss==
[[Blunderbuss]] is hanged on wall.
[[Image:Blun Flint.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Blunderbuss Flintlock]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Rifles=
==PTRS-41 Anti-Tank Rifle==
Jigen Daisuke uses PTRS-41 Anti-Tank Rifle.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close view of the muzzle.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jigen fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Bolt Action Rifle==
On the floor we can seen an unknown rifle.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left.]]

=Muskets=
==Charleville Musket==
Napoleon soldiers vere armed with the [[Charleville Musket]]s
[[Image:Charleville.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Original Charleville Mle 1763 - .69 caliber]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Wheellock Musket==
[[Wheellock Musket]] is hanged on the wall.
[[Image:Mayflower_gun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mayflower Wheellock Musket]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==MG42==
Jodo fires [[MG42]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jodo fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Machine Gun==
On the floor we can see an unknown machine gun.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Machine gun on the center.]]

=Grenades=
==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
Count Cagliostro's henchmens uses [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]s.
[[Image:M24WithFragSleeve.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate "Potato Masher" stick grenade with fragmentation sleeve]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]

==Mills Bomb==
Fujiko Mine uses [[Mills Bomb]]s.
[[Image:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|No. 36M Mk.I "Mills Bomb" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko uses her teeth to readies grenade.]]

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Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro

2015-11-04T02:09:18Z

Alex Vostox:

{{Unknown}}
{{Infobox Movie
|name = Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro
|picture = Lupin Cagliostro poster.jpg
|caption = ''Anime Poster''
|country = [[Image:Japan.jpg|25px]] Japan
|director = Hayao Miyazaki
|date= 1979
|language = Japanese
|studio=Tokyo Movie Shinsha
|distributor=Toho
}}

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

=Pistols=
==Walther P38==
Lupin carries the [[Walther P38]] pistol throughout the movie.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Luger P08==
[[Luger P08]] is the personal firearm of Fujiko Mine.
[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm. This is a 1917 dated handgun, thus it is a World War One firearm.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko reloads her Luger.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro pistol 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko Mine fires.]]

=Revolvers=
==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Daisuke Jigen carries the [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]

==Type 26 Revolver==
[[Type 26 Revolver]] can be seen in the hands of Kawakami Tenose's corpse.
[[File:Type26Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Japanese Type 26 Revolver - 9mmJR]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 3 1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Revolver==
On the floor we can see an unknown revolver.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro revolver 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Submachine Gun=
==M3A1 "Grease Gun"==
Bank security uses [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] at the film beggining.
[[Image:Grease3 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MP40==
One of the Count Cagliostro's hencheman fires [[MP40]]
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good view of the MP40 shape.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Suomi KP/-31==
Several Count Cagliostro's hencheman can be seen armed with the [[Suomi KP/-31]].
[[Image:SuomiM31.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Suomi KP/-31 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 3 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 3 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Uzi==
Fujiko Mine fire [[Uzi]] with the wooden stock at the one moment.
[[Image:Uzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with detachable wood buttstock (late model with cheek cut out in comb) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro SMG 4 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Shotguns=
==Blunderbuss==
[[Blunderbuss]] is hanged on wall.
[[Image:Blun Flint.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Blunderbuss Flintlock]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Rifles=
==Unknown Rifle==
Jigen Daisuke uses PTRS-41 Anti-Tank Rifle.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close view of the muzzle.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jigen fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 1 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Bolt Action Rifle==
On the floor we can seen an unknown rifle.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro rifle 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left.]]

=Muskets=
==Charleville Musket==
Napoleon soldiers vere armed with the [[Charleville Musket]]s
[[Image:Charleville.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Original Charleville Mle 1763 - .69 caliber]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Wheellock Musket==
[[Wheellock Musket]] is hanged on the wall.
[[Image:Mayflower_gun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mayflower Wheellock Musket]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro musket 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine Guns=
==MG42==
Jodo fires [[MG42]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jodo fires.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown Machine Gun==
On the floor we can see an unknown machine gun.
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro machine gun 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Machine gun on the center.]]

=Grenades=
==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
Count Cagliostro's henchmens uses [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]s.
[[Image:M24WithFragSleeve.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate "Potato Masher" stick grenade with fragmentation sleeve]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]

==Mills Bomb==
Fujiko Mine uses [[Mills Bomb]]s.
[[Image:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|No. 36M Mk.I "Mills Bomb" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Lupin Cagliostro grenade 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fujiko uses her teeth to readies grenade.]]

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Talk:Bravo V

2015-09-27T14:58:16Z

Alex Vostox:

The machine gun appears to be not a Zastava M72, but a Zastava M77 in 7.62x51mm caliber. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:50, 19 September 2015 (EDT)

:Also, the AR-15 has a full fence lower rather than a slickside push-pin one so it isn't a Sporter. My guess would be a Model 653 but is impossible to tell without a shot showing the barrel length. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 21:29, 19 September 2015 (EDT)

== Title ==

What is the proper title of this film? I can't find it on IMDB. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:08, 27 September 2015 (EDT)

They don't have it yet. Only on Malaysian Wikipedia. In Malaysia we called it "Bravo Lima" (Bravo Five). [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]
:And is this a theatrical release or direct to video? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:46, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
Released on 10 September 2015. Still on cinema right now. They also got released on PPV television services. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

Talk:Bravo V

2015-09-27T14:57:58Z

Alex Vostox:

Bravo V

2015-09-27T14:54:49Z

Alex Vostox:

{{WIP}}

{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bravo V (2015).jpg
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Yeop Hitler
| creator =
| genre = Action War
| date= September 10, 2015
| language = Malay
| studio = KaryaPrima Production
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Lieutenant Azri
| actor1 = Remy Ishak
| character2 = Trooper Karim
| actor2 = Beto Kusyairy
| character3 = Corporal Ah Chia
| actor3 = Xavier Fong U-Shin
| character4 = Corporal Morgan
| actor4 = Sashi Tharan
| character5 = Sargeant Unya
| actor5 = Frank Peterson
| character6 = Malay Communist leader
| actor6 = Sofi Jikan
}}

'''''Bravo V''''' or '''''Bravo Five''''' is a 2015 Malaysian war film directed by Yeop Hitler, starring [[Beto Kusyairy]] and [[Remy Ishak]]. Set during 1989 Communist Insurgency, Lieutenant Azri Haji Manaf, a Malaysian Army 21st Grup Gerak Khas (21st GGK) commander who leads a team of commando patrol to locate Malayan Communist Party guerrillas trying to undergo hostile activities in the central Peninsular Malaysian region. Unfortunately, their communications gear is destroyed during the shootout with the communists. Without other military reinforcements, they are forced to fight against with nearly 200 MCP guerrillas.

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Commando Forces=
==Handguns==
===Heckler & Koch P9S===
A [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] is carried by Corporal Kamal ([[Fairil Desa]]) after being introduced. Trooper Karim Abdullah ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) uses a P9S to kill two of Sidek's bodyguards before he engages Sidek ([[Sofi Jikan]]) in a hand-to-hand fight.
[[File:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S, post 1973 model with hooked trigger guard - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Corporal Kamal's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Trooper Karim's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Kamal aims his H&K P9S at Lim Yatt before he's captured by MCP forces led by Sidek.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim lay down his H&K P9S slowly before use the imitation style.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim use the imitation to fire his at Sidek's bodyguards.]]

==Shotguns==
===Franchi LAW-12===
Trooper Karim ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) is seen armed with a [[Franchi LAW-12]] with a Franchi PA8-style folding stock.
[[File:Franchi LAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi LAW-12 – 12 Gauge]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Franchi LAW-12 seen used by Trooper Karim while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with his LAW-12 comes to the aborigine's hut.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with a Franchi LAW-12 rendezvous with Lt. Azri after the aborigines are rescued.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Karim's Franchi LAW-12.]]
[[File:Bravo V-LAW-12-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim fires his Franchi LAW-12 at the MCP guerrilla fighters.]]

==Rifles / Carbines==
===Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"===
Several 21st Commando troopers are seen with [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"]]. Lieutenant Azri ([[Remy Ishak]]) and Corporal Ah Chia ([[Xavier Fong U-Shin]]) are seen using it several times.
[[File:ColtM653Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-ColtAR-15SporterICarbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|21st Commando Regiment commander Lieutenant Azri has a slung Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lieutenant Azri with his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" use the signal to his fellow soldiers.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia holding the Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" at MCP guerillas.]]

===Colt M16A1 w/ M203 grenade launcher===
Sargeant Unya Anak Gawing ([[Frank Peterson]]) carries a [[M16A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] throughout the film.
[[File:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 (5.56x45mm) with [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 40mm grenade launcher]].]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sargeant Unya has a slung M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher during the mission briefing.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya with his M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher, covering each other.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya fires his M16A1 with an M203 while retreat to strategic position.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya marches behind Cpl. Morgan.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Kamal fires Unya's M16A1 before he gets shot by MCP forces.]]

==Machine Guns==
===Zastava M77===
A [[Zastava Arms#Machine Guns|Zastava M77]] light machine gun are used by Corporal Morgan s/o Murugan ([[Sashi Tharan]]) in the film.
[[File:Zastava M77 LMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M77 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan has a slung Zastava M77 during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan holding his Zastava M77 with 20-round straight magazine.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cpl. Morgan with his Zastava M77 light machine gun while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan fires his Zastava M77 at the communist guerillas.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&Model653M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M77 shouldered by Corporal Morgan during a raid.]]

==Sniper Rifles==
===Accuracy International Arctic Warfare===
Sergeant Unya ([[Frank Peterson]]) uses an [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] during the training.
[[File:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arctic Warfare.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya aiming his Arctic Warfare sniper rifle.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ArcticWarfare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya chambers another round.]]

=Communist Forces=
==Handguns==
===Enfield No.2 Mk.1*===
The [[Enfield No.2 Mk.1*]] revolver is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]) and his henchmen, Sidek Tapa ([[Sofi Jikan]]) as well as Sidek's female bodyguard. The Enfield No.2 Mk.1* was also seen in the hands of Corporal Ah Chia to execute Commander Lim Yatt for avenged his father's death.
[[File:Enfield No2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Enfield No.2 Mk.1* - .38 S&W]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his Enfield No.2 Mk.1* to the little girl before he executes her.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt aiming an empty Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Corporal Ah Chia.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires a loaded Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Lim Yatt's guards.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Ah Chia with the revolver aimed at a downed Lim Yatt.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his empty Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Karim.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A female bodyguard of Sidek holding an Enfield No.2 Mk.1* is shot by Karim.]]

===Luger P08===
The [[Luger P08]] is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]).
[[File:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt with his Luger P08 after detained local aborigines.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt executes Ah Chia's father with the P08 20 years ago.]]

==Shotguns==
===Double Barrel Shotgun===
The Malayan Communist Party guerilla can briefly be seen with a full length [[Double Barreled Shotgun]] after being introduced and capture the aborigine village.
[[File:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Baikal hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MCP guerilla on the right aiming his Double Barrel Shotgun at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-DoubleBarrelShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerillas with a Double Barrel Shotgun guards the aborigine village.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Vigneron M2===
The [[Vigneron M2]] is used by one of the MCP guerillas.
[[File:1287829141.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vigneron M2 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M3A1"GreaseGun".jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerillas is holding his Vigneron M2.]]

===Sten Mk II===
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by the MCP guerrillas
[[File:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of the MCP guerrilla's Sten Mk II.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerrillas is seen holding his Sten Mk II while marching to the bridge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Trooper Karim sneaks up on a MCP guerrilla armed with the Mk II.]]

==Rifles==
===Arisaka Type 99===
The [[Arisaka Type 99]] last-ditch rifle are used by MCP guerrillas at their camp.
[[File:T99ss.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arisaka Type 99 - 7.7x58mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla standing at the camp with a Type 99 rifle.]]

===Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine===
The [[Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine]] are seen used by one of the MCP guerrillas after get the message letter from their informers.
[[File:No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine - .303 British. This is not a chopped down No. 4 conversion (like many jungle carbines are) but an original No.5.]]
[[File:Bravo V-No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla with No.5 Jungle Carbine.]]

===L1A1 SLR===
At least one MCP guerilla is seeen with the [[L1A1 SLR]] during the introduction sequence.
[[File:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|British Inch Pattern L1A1 SLR (Self Loading Rifle) chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO - Variation of the FN FAL rifle. British & New Zealand SLR's were later fitted with black fibreglass furniture as seen here.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla aiming his L1A1 SLR at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla armed with the L1A1 SLR while standing guard.]]

===M16A1 assault rifle===
[[M16A1]] assault rifles are used by MCP guerillas during the shootout with GGK commandos
[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MCP guerillas opens fire with M16A1s at GGK commandos.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The aborigine fires his captured M16A1 at MCP guerrillas before he got killed.]]

===Heckler & Koch G3===
An MCP guerilla uses the Heckler & Koch G3. Apperently this is the G3A1 variant.
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla aiming his automatic rifle at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-AutomaticRifle.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MCP guerilla on patrol with G3A1.]]

=Others=
==M26 Hand Grenade==
[[M26 hand grenade]] are used in several times by Sargeant Unya and MCP guerillas. Both of them used them to commit suicide for taking out their enemy.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Dying Unya trying to throw the grenade before getting shot in the arms, taking three communist guerrillas with him.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade-2.jpg |thumb|none|600px|A wounded guerrilla drops the primed M26.]]

=Artillery=
==OTO Melara Mod 56 105mm Pack Howitzer==
[[File:20110615110452.jpg]] An Malaysian Army soldier fires an OTO Melara Mod 56 at the communist positions.
[[Image:Bravo V-Artillery.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Malaysian Army soldiers moves an artillery.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Action Movie]]
[[Category:Malaysian Produced]]

File:OTO Melara Mod.jpg

2015-09-27T14:46:32Z

Alex Vostox: OTO Melara Mod 56 Pack Howitzer of Malaysian Royal Artillery Regiment

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Bravo V

2015-09-27T14:42:36Z

Alex Vostox:

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{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bravo V (2015).jpg
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Yeop Hitler
| creator =
| genre = Action War
| date= September 10, 2015
| language = Malay
| studio = KaryaPrima Production
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Lieutenant Azri
| actor1 = Remy Ishak
| character2 = Trooper Karim
| actor2 = Beto Kusyairy
| character3 = Corporal Ah Chia
| actor3 = Xavier Fong U-Shin
| character4 = Corporal Morgan
| actor4 = Sashi Tharan
| character5 = Sargeant Unya
| actor5 = Frank Peterson
| character6 = Malay Communist leader
| actor6 = Sofi Jikan
}}

'''''Bravo V''''' or '''''Bravo Five''''' is a 2015 Malaysian war film directed by Yeop Hitler, starring [[Beto Kusyairy]] and [[Remy Ishak]]. Set during 1989 Communist Insurgency, Lieutenant Azri Haji Manaf, a Malaysian Army 21st Grup Gerak Khas (21st GGK) commander who leads a team of commandos to locate Malayan Communist Party guerrillas trying to undergo hostile activities in the central Peninsular Malaysian region. Unfortunately, their communications gear is destroyed during the shootout with the communists. Without other military reinforcements, they are forced to fight against with nearly 200 MCP guerrillas.

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Commando Forces=
==Handguns==
===Heckler & Koch P9S===
A [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] is carried by Corporal Kamal ([[Fairil Desa]]) after being introduced. Trooper Karim Abdullah ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) uses a P9S to kill two of Sidek's bodyguards before he engages Sidek ([[Sofi Jikan]]) in a hand-to-hand fight.
[[File:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S, post 1973 model with hooked trigger guard - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Corporal Kamal's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Trooper Karim's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Kamal aims his H&K P9S at Lim Yatt before he's captured by MCP forces led by Sidek.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim lay down his H&K P9S slowly before use the imitation style.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim use the imitation to fire his at Sidek's bodyguards.]]

==Shotguns==
===Franchi LAW-12===
Trooper Karim ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) is seen armed with a [[Franchi LAW-12]] with a Franchi PA8-style folding stock.
[[File:Franchi LAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi LAW-12 – 12 Gauge]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Franchi LAW-12 seen used by Trooper Karim while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with his LAW-12 comes to the aborigine's hut.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with a Franchi LAW-12 rendezvous with Lt. Azri after the aborigines are rescued.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Karim's Franchi LAW-12.]]
[[File:Bravo V-LAW-12-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim fires his Franchi LAW-12 at the MCP guerrilla fighters.]]

==Rifles / Carbines==
===Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"===
Several 21st Commando troopers are seen with [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"]]. Lieutenant Azri ([[Remy Ishak]]) and Corporal Ah Chia ([[Xavier Fong U-Shin]]) are seen using it several times.
[[File:ColtM653Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-ColtAR-15SporterICarbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|21st Commando Regiment commander Lieutenant Azri has a slung Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lieutenant Azri with his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" use the signal to his fellow soldiers.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia holding the Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" at MCP guerillas.]]

===Colt M16A1 w/ M203 grenade launcher===
Sargeant Unya Anak Gawing ([[Frank Peterson]]) carries a [[M16A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] throughout the film.
[[File:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 (5.56x45mm) with [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 40mm grenade launcher]].]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sargeant Unya has a slung M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher during the mission briefing.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya with his M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher, covering each other.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya fires his M16A1 with an M203 while retreat to strategic position.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya marches behind Cpl. Morgan.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Kamal fires Unya's M16A1 before he gets shot by MCP forces.]]

==Machine Guns==
===Zastava M77===
A [[Zastava Arms#Machine Guns|Zastava M77]] light machine gun are used by Corporal Morgan s/o Murugan ([[Sashi Tharan]]) in the film.
[[File:Zastava M77 LMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M77 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan has a slung Zastava M77 during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan holding his Zastava M77 with 20-round straight magazine.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cpl. Morgan with his Zastava M77 light machine gun while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan fires his Zastava M77 at the communist guerillas.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&Model653M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The M77 shouldered by Corporal Morgan during a raid.]]

==Sniper Rifles==
===Accuracy International Arctic Warfare===
Sergeant Unya ([[Frank Peterson]]) uses an [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] during the training.
[[File:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arctic Warfare.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya aiming his Arctic Warfare sniper rifle.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ArcticWarfare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya chambers another round.]]

=Communist Forces=
==Handguns==
===Enfield No.2 Mk.1*===
The [[Enfield No.2 Mk.1*]] revolver is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]) and his henchmen, Sidek Tapa ([[Sofi Jikan]]) as well as Sidek's female bodyguard. The Enfield No.2 Mk.1* was also seen in the hands of Corporal Ah Chia to execute Commander Lim Yatt for avenged his father's death.
[[File:Enfield No2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Enfield No.2 Mk.1* - .38 S&W]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his Enfield No.2 Mk.1* to the little girl before he executes her.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt aiming an empty Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Corporal Ah Chia.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires a loaded Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Lim Yatt's guards.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Ah Chia with the revolver aimed at a downed Lim Yatt.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his empty Enfield No.2 Mk.1* at Karim.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A female bodyguard of Sidek holding an Enfield No.2 Mk.1* is shot by Karim.]]

===Luger P08===
The [[Luger P08]] is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]).
[[File:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt with his Luger P08 after detained local aborigines.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt executes Ah Chia's father with the P08 20 years ago.]]

==Shotguns==
===Double Barrel Shotgun===
The Malayan Communist Party guerilla can briefly be seen with a full length [[Double Barreled Shotgun]] after being introduced and capture the aborigine village.
[[File:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Baikal hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MCP guerilla on the right aiming his Double Barrel Shotgun at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-DoubleBarrelShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerillas with a Double Barrel Shotgun guards the aborigine village.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Vigneron M2===
The [[Vigneron M2]] is used by one of the MCP guerillas.
[[File:1287829141.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vigneron M2 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M3A1"GreaseGun".jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerillas is holding his Vigneron M2.]]

===Sten Mk II===
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by the MCP guerrillas
[[File:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of the MCP guerrilla's Sten Mk II.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerrillas is seen holding his Sten Mk II while marching to the bridge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Trooper Karim sneaks up on a MCP guerrilla armed with the Mk II.]]

==Rifles==
===Arisaka Type 99===
The [[Arisaka Type 99]] last-ditch rifle are used by MCP guerrillas at their camp.
[[File:T99ss.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arisaka Type 99 - 7.7x58mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla standing at the camp with a Type 99 rifle.]]

===Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine===
The [[Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine]] are seen used by one of the MCP guerrillas after get the message letter from their informers.
[[File:No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine - .303 British. This is not a chopped down No. 4 conversion (like many jungle carbines are) but an original No.5.]]
[[File:Bravo V-No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla with No.5 Jungle Carbine.]]

===L1A1 SLR===
At least one MCP guerilla is seeen with the [[L1A1 SLR]] during the introduction sequence.
[[File:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|British Inch Pattern L1A1 SLR (Self Loading Rifle) chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO - Variation of the FN FAL rifle. British & New Zealand SLR's were later fitted with black fibreglass furniture as seen here.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla aiming his L1A1 SLR at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla armed with the L1A1 SLR while standing guard.]]

===M16A1 assault rifle===
[[M16A1]] assault rifles are used by MCP guerillas during the shootout with GGK commandos
[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MCP guerillas opens fire with M16A1s at GGK commandos.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The aborigine fires his captured M16A1 at MCP guerrillas before he got killed.]]

===Heckler & Koch G3===
An MCP guerilla uses the Heckler & Koch G3. Apperently this is the G3A1 variant.
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla aiming his automatic rifle at Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-AutomaticRifle.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An MCP guerilla on patrol with G3A1.]]

=Others=
==M26 Hand Grenade==
[[M26 hand grenade]] are used in several times by Sargeant Unya and MCP guerillas. Both of them used them to commit suicide for taking out their enemy.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Dying Unya trying to throw the grenade before getting shot in the arms, taking three communist guerrillas with him.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade-2.jpg |thumb|none|600px|A wounded guerrilla drops the primed M26.]]

=Artillery=
==OTO Melara Mod 56 105mm Pack Howitzer==
An Malaysian Army soldier fires an OTO Melara Mod 56 at the communist positions.
[[Image:Bravo V-Artillery.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Malaysian Army soldiers moves an artillery.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Action Movie]]
[[Category:Malaysian Produced]]

Bravo V

2015-09-27T05:04:06Z

Alex Vostox:

{{WIP}}

{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bravo V (2015).jpg
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Yeop Hitler
| creator =
| genre = Action War
| date= September 10, 2015
| language = Malay
| studio = KaryaPrima Production
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Lieutenant Azri
| actor1 = Remy Ishak
| character2 = Trooper Karim
| actor2 = Beto Kusyairy
| character3 = Corporal Ah Chia
| actor3 = Xavier Fong U-Shin
| character4 = Corporal Morgan
| actor4 = Sashi Tharan
| character5 = Sargeant Unya
| actor5 = Frank Peterson
| character6 = Malay Communist leader
| actor6 = Sofi Jikan
}}

'''''Bravo V''''' or '''''Bravo Five''''' is a 2015 Malaysian war film directed by Yeop Hitler, starring [[Beto Kusyairy]] and [[Remy Ishak]] as Lieutenant Azri Haji Manaf, a Malaysian Army 21st Grup Gerak Khas (21st GGK) commander who leads a team of commandos to locate Malayan Communist Party guerrillas trying to undergo hostile activities in the central Peninsular Malaysian region. Unfortunately, their communications gear is destroyed during the shootout with the communists. Without other military reinforcements, they are forced to fight against with nearly 200 MCP guerrillas.

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Commando Forces=
==Handguns==
===Heckler & Koch P9S===
A [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] is carried by Corporal Kamal ([[Fairil Desa]]) after being introduced. Trooper Karim Abdullah ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) uses a P9S to kill two of Sidek's bodyguards before he engages Sidek ([[Sofi Jikan]]) in a hand-to-hand fight.
[[File:H&K P9S pre 1973.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S, pre 1973 model with smooth trigger guard - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Corporal Kamal's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Trooper Karim's H&K P9S.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Kamal aims his H&K P9S at Lim Yatt before he's captured by MCP forces led by Sidek.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim lay down his H&K P9S slowly before use the imitation style.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P9S-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim use the imitation to fires a H&K P9S at the Sidek's bodyguards.]]

==Shotguns==
===Franchi LAW-12===
Trooper Karim ([[Beto Kusyairy]]) is seen armed with a [[Franchi LAW-12]] with a Franchi PA8-style folding stock.
[[File:Franchi LAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi LAW-12 – 12 Gauge]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Franchi LAW-12 seen used by Trooper Karim while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with his LAW-12 comes to the aborigine's hut.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim with a Franchi LAW-12 rendezvous with Lt. Azri after the aborigines are rescued.]]
[[File:Bravo V-FranchiLAW-12-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of Karim's Franchi LAW-12.]]
[[File:Bravo V-LAW-12-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Karim fires his Franchi LAW-12 at the MCP terrorists.]]

==Rifles / Carbines==
===Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"===
Several 21st Commando troopers are seen with [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine"]]. Lieutenant Azri ([[Remy Ishak]]) and Corporal Ah Chia ([[Xavier Fong U-Shin]]) are seen using it several times.
[[File:ColtM653Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-ColtAR-15SporterICarbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|21st Commando Regiment commander Lieutenant Azri has a slung Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lieutenant Azri with his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" use the signal to his fellow soldiers.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia holding the Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" while infiltrating a communist camp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Model653M16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires his Colt Model 653 "M16A1 Carbine" at the MCP guerillas.]]

===Colt M16A1 w/ M203 grenade launcher===
Sargeant Unya Anak Gawing ([[Frank Peterson]]) carries an [[M16A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] throughout the film.
[[File:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 (5.56x45mm) with [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 40mm grenade launcher]].]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sargeant Unya has a slung M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Sgt. Unya with his M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher, covering each other.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Sgt. Unya fires his M16A1 with an M203 while retreat to strategic position.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt. Unya marches behind Cpl. Morgan.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1wM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|Corporal Kamal fires Unya's M16A1 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher before he gets shot by MCP forces.]]

==Machine Guns==
===Zastava M77===
[[Zastava Arms#Machine Guns|Zastava M77]] light machine guns are used by Corporal Morgan s/o Murugan ([[Sashi Tharan]]) in the film.
[[File:Zastava M77 LMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M77 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16wM203&M77.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan has a slung Zastava M77 during the briefing in the army bootcamp.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Morgan holding his Zastava M77 with 20-round straight magazine.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M77&M16A1wM203.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Cpl. Morgan with his Zastava M77 light machine gun while infiltrating a communist camp.]]

==Sniper Rifles==
===Accuracy International Arctic Warfare===
Sergeant Unya ([[Frank Peterson]]) uses an [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] during the training before duty call.
[[File:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arctic Warfare.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sgt Unya aiming his Arctic Warfare sniper rifle.]]
[[File:Bravo V-ArcticWarfare-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The sniper chambers another round.]]

=Communist Forces=
==Handguns==
===Webley .38 Mk IV===
The [[Webley .38 Mk IV]] revolver is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]) and his henchmen, Sidek Tapa ([[Sofi Jikan]]) as well as Sidek's female bodyguard. The Webley Mk IV was also seen in the hands of Corporal Ah Chia to execute Commander Lim Yatt for avenged his father's death.
[[File:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Webley Mk IV - .38 S&W]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his Webley Mk IV to the little girl before execute her.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt aiming an empty Webley Mk IV to Corporal Ah Chia.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Corporal Ah Chia fires a loaded Webley Mk IV at the Lim Yatt's guards.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Ah Chia with Webley Mk IV revolver prepares to execute Lim Yatt.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Sidek aiming his empty Webley Mk IV at the Trooper Karim.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Webley-6.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A female bodyguard of Sidek holding a Webley Mk IV is shot down by Trooper Karim.]]

===Luger P08===
The [[Luger P08]] is used by Commander Lim Yatt ([[Chew Kin Wah]]).
[[File:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt with his Luger P08 after capture the the aborigine village.]]
[[File:Bravo V-P08-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Commander Lim Yatt fires his P08 to executed Ah Chia's father in 20 years ago.]]

==Shotguns==
===Double Barrel Shotguns===
The Malayan Communist Party guerilla can briefly be seen with a full length [[Side by Side Shotgun]] after being introduced and capture the aborigine village.
[[File:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Baikal hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|MCP guerilla on the right aiming his Double Barrel Shotgun at the Corporal Kamal.]]
[[File:Bravo V-DoubleBarrelShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|501px|One of MCP guerilla with a Double Barrel Shotgun guard the aborigine village.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===M3A1 "Grease Gun"===
The [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] is used by one of the MCP guerilla.
[[File:Grease3 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M3A1"GreaseGun".jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the MCP guerilla is holding his M3A1 "Grease Gun".]]

===Sten Mk II===
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by the MCP guerrillas
[[File:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A close up of the communist's Sten Mk II.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|One of MCP guerilla is seen holding his Sten Mk II while moved to the bridge.]]
[[File:Bravo V-StenMkII-3.jpg|thumb|none|501px|MCP guerilla guard the aborigines with Sten Mk II before he killed by Trooper Karim.]]

==Rifles==
===Arisaka Type 99===
The [[Arisaka_Rifle#Arisaka_Type_99|Arisaka Type 99]] last-ditch rifle are used by MCP guerillas at their camp.
[[File:T99ss.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arisaka Type 99 - 7.7x58mm]]
[[File:Bravo V-Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla standing at the camp with Type 99 rifles.]]

===Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine===
The [[Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine]] are seen used by one of the MCP guerillas after get the message letter from their informers.
[[File:No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine - .303 British. This is not a chopped down No. 4 conversion (like many jungle carbines are) but an original No.5.]]
[[File:Bravo V-No5JungleCarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla with No.5 Jungle Carbine.]]

===L1A1 SLR===
The MCP guerilla holding the [[L1A1]] SLR during introduction and regroup with their forces.
[[File:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|British Inch Pattern L1A1 SLR (Self Loading Rifle) chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO - Variation of the FN FAL rifle. British & New Zealand SLR's were later fitted with black fibreglass furniture as seen here.]]
[[File:Bravo V-Intro-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla aiming his L1A1 SLR at Corporal Kamal before capture him.]]
[[File:Bravo V-L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerilla holding the L1A1 SLR while regroup the forces.]]

===M16A1 assault rifle===
An [[M16A1]] assault rifle are used by MCP guerillas during the shootout with commando forces.
[[File:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The MCP guerillas opens fire with an M16A1 at the commando forces.]]
[[File:Bravo V-M16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|The aborigine fires his capture M16A1 at the communist guerilla before he gets shot by them.]]

=Others=
==M26 Hand Grenade==
[[M26 hand grenade]] are used in several times by Sargeant Unya and MCP guerilla.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Unya draw his M26 hand grenades before he used as a suicide bomb.]]
[[Image:Bravo V-M26Grenade-2.jpg |thumb|none|600px|The wounded guerilla draw the grenade while Ah Chia trying to shoot Lim Yatt.]]

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Talk:Bravo V

2015-09-27T04:59:23Z

Alex Vostox:

Bukit Kepong

2015-09-26T16:29:52Z

Alex Vostox:

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{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bukit Kepong (1982).JPG
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Jins Shamsudin
| date= 1982
| language = Malay
| studio = Jins Shamsudin Productions
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Sgt Jamil Mohd Shah
| actor1 = Jins Shamsudin
| character2 = L/Cpl Jidin Omar
| actor2 = A. Rahim
| character3 = PC Othman Yusof
| actor3 = Hussein Abu Hassan
| character4 = PC Jaafar Hassan
| actor4 = Yusof Haslam
}}

'''''Bukit Kepong''''' is a 1982 Malaysian war film based on the true story of the Bukit Kepong tragedy. The film chronicles the lives of Bukit Kepong police officers in their fight against Malayan Communist Party guerrillas after they stormed the police station before dawn during the Malayan Emergency 1948-1960. [[Jins Shamsudin]] starred in the film as Bukit Kepong police sergeant, Jamil Mohd Shah. In August 2015, this movie was re-released with in high-definition.

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

=Revolvers=
==Webley .38 Mk IV==
The [[Webley .38 Mk IV]] is the service revolver seen carried by every Federation of Malaya Police chief during the Malayan Emergency. In the film, the Webley Mk IV is used by Sergeant Jamil Mohd Shah ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) as his sidearm. The Webley Mk IV was also seen in the hands of MCP guerrillas to execute their own comrades after they betrayed the cause.

[[File:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Webley Mk IV - .38 S&W]]

===Special===
[[File:BK-BehindTheScenes-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes footage shows [[Jins Shamsudin]] with a holstered Webley Mk IV on the left.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Sten Mk II==
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by the Police Jungle Squad and by MCP guerrillas.
[[Image:Unitsten2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk II (Canadian) - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the MCP guerrillas is seen hold his Sten Mk II.]]

==Sten Mk V==
The [[Sten Mk V]] is the standard submachine gun for Federation of Malaya Police and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film, most featured have the forward pistol grip removed. Also, it has been used by MCP forces. In the film, the Sten is used by Bukit Kepong police chief Sergeant Jamil Mohd Shah ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) and Police Constable Jaafar Hassan ([[Yusof Haslam]]) as they try to defend the station by communist forces.
[[File:Sten Mk5 without vertical grip.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk V - 9x19mm without vertical grip.]]
[[File:BukitKepong-StenMkV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) fires his [[Sten Mk V]] submachine gun at the communist terrorist.]]
[[File:BTF-Sten&No.4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil wih his [[Sten Mk V]] provide cover during the station assault.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MCP guerrilla fires at PC Jaafar with his Sten Mk V.]]

=Rifles / Carbines=
==Lee-Enfield No 1 Mk 3*==
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk 3*]] is seen being carried by the MCP, auxiliary police officers, villagers and Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The MCP guerrillas with No.1 Mk 3* rifles prepares to execute traitors.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MCP guerrilla on the right with slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

==Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk 1*==
The [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] is the standard service rifle seen carried by the majority of the Federation of Malaya Police officers. The No.4 Mk 1* rifle was also seen in the hands of the Malayan Communist Party and the Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1 - .303 British]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Bukit Kepong police officers with [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] rifles taking their positions after their station is under attack by MCP forces.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bukit Kepong police officer fires his No.4 Mk 1 rifle at MCP guerrillas.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Officers from the Police Jungle Squad advance with a variety of weapons including the No.4 Mk 1.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Two MCP guerrillas takes aim with No.4 Mk 1* rifles prepares to execute traitors.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MCP guerrilla has a slung No.4 Mk 1 rifle.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MCP guerrilla holds the No.4 Mk 1 when they robbing the shop.]]

==M1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is also seen used by communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad in the film.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine (Post-War) - .30 Carbine. It has the adjustable rear sight and a bayonet lug.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Police Jungle Squad troops on the left are seen carrying the M1A1 Carbine - .30 carbine.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MCP guerrilla is also seen using an M1 Carbine when he threatens the shop owner.]]

=Light Machine Guns=
==Bren Mk I==
[[Bren Mk I]] light machine guns are also used by the Federation of Malaya Police, MCP guerrillas and Police Jungle Squad. After finding the ammunition for Bren gun was depleted, one of the police officer dismantled the Bren by throwing away the magazine, barrel and firing pin to prevent capture by terrorist
[[File:Bren gun.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Bren Mk I light machine gun - .303 British]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MCP guerrilla fires his Bren Mk I light machine gun at the Bukit Kepong Police Station.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil fires his Bren Mk I light machine guns at the communist forces to provide cover fire for his fellow officers.]]
[[File:File-Bukit Kepong-Prolouge-Marine Police 001-thumb-none-600px-.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Marine Police Constable firing Bren Gun from the boat during communist ambush in prologue.]]

=Grenades=
==No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb==
The [[Mills Bomb|No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb]] is used by the MCP and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film. In desperate attempt to overwhelm the stubborn Police defense, the MCP using grenade and burn the station to flush them out
[[File:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|none|250px|No. 36M Mk.I "Mills Bomb" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MCP guerrilla carries the Mills Bomb hand grenade on his belt along with his slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

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Talk:Bukit Kepong

2015-09-26T16:22:33Z

Alex Vostox:

The page seems to be incomplete: even in a movie trailer there are much more guns, including Bren. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:09, 19 September 2015 (EDT)

[[File:10418457 671372009579026 5122450799243258564 n.jpg]]

Bukit Kepong film cast with a Royal Malaysian Police GOF officer. Bit kind of Trivia here. The film location is actual near the site of 1950 Bukit Kepong Police Station. The producer managed to rebuilt the whole set using another disused old police station from Buluh Kasap, Johor which they taking apart wood by wood, moving them by road and river and rebuilt again. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

[[File:Bukit Kepong Maps.jpg]]

Bukit Kepong Police Station maps during 23 February 1950.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]]

File:Bukit Kepong Maps.jpg

2015-09-26T16:11:06Z

Alex Vostox: Bukit Kepong Maps 23 February 1950

Bukit Kepong Maps 23 February 1950

File:10418457 671372009579026 5122450799243258564 n.jpg

2015-09-26T15:55:38Z

Alex Vostox: Bukit Kepong Cast and Police Officer.

Bukit Kepong Cast and Police Officer.

Polis Evo

2015-09-26T15:51:09Z

Alex Vostox:

{{NowShowing}}

{{WIP}}

{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Polis-Evo poster.jpg
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Ghaz Abu Bakar
| date= September 17, 2015
| language = Malay
| studio = Astro Shaw
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Inspector Khai
| actor1 = Shaheizy Sam
| character2 = Inspector Hassani
| actor2 = Zizan Razak
| character3 = Jimbo
| actor3 = Pablo Amirul
}}

'''''Polis Evo''''' or meaning is '''''Evo Cops''''' is 2015 Malaysian action and comedy, starring [[Shaheizy Sam]] and [[Zizan Razak]] were given the task to investigate and cripple the operational of drug syndicated. However, both of them have different personalities. Inspector Khai from Kuala Lumpur is a firm and swift and this often in stark contrast to the Inspector Hassani, which is in accordance with the procedures and protocols. Incompatibility make their mission is almost failed. Everything is changed when the drug kingpin, Izrael began to involve Sani's families in this case. Both Hassani and Khai were realized that they have to learn to work together to complete their mission.

{{Film Title|Polis Evo}}

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=

==Glock 17==
Inspector Khai ([[Shaheizy Sam]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] that also used by drug syndicate gunmen. During introduction he's clearly his pistol as as Glock 37
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Sam-03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inspector Khai fires his Glock 17.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Sam-04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 581==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 581]] is used by Inspector Hassani ([[Zizan Razak]]).
[[Image:S&WModel581.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 581 - .38 Special.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Zizan-02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inspector Hassani aims his Model 581.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Bushmaster Carbon 15==
The [[Bushmaster Carbon 15]] submachine guns is used by Malaysian Special Task Force on Organised Crime officers.
[[Image:Bush7.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Bushmaster Carbon 15 LE, 9mm version - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|STAFOC officers armed with the Carbon 15.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==Norinco Type 56==
A gunman of the drug syndicate and Thai's drug gunmen at their hideout uses a [[Norinco Type 56]].
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Izrael's guards on the right with the Type 56.]]

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Polis Evo

2015-09-26T15:47:47Z

Alex Vostox:

{{NowShowing}}

{{WIP}}

{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Polis-Evo poster.jpg
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Ghaz Abu Bakar
| date= September 17, 2015
| language = Malay
| studio = Astro Shaw
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Inspector Khai
| actor1 = Shaheizy Sam
| character2 = Inspector Hassani
| actor2 = Zizan Razak
| character3 = Jimbo
| actor3 = Pablo Amirul
}}

'''''Polis Evo''''' or meaning is '''''Evo Cops''''' is 2015 Malaysian action and comedy, starring [[Shaheizy Sam]] and [[Zizan Razak]] were given the task to investigate and cripple the operational of drug syndicated. However, both of them have different personalities. Khai is a firm and swift and this often in stark contrast to the Inspector Hassani, which is in accordance with the procedures and protocols. Incompatibility make their mission is almost failed. Everything is changed when the drug kingpin, Izrael began to involve Sani's families in this case. Both Hassani and Khai were realized that they have to learn to work together to complete their mission.

{{Film Title|Polis Evo}}

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=

==Glock 17==
Inspector Khai ([[Shaheizy Sam]]) uses a [[Glock 17]]. In dialogue he's clearly referring as Glock 37
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Sam-03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inspector Khai fires his Glock 17.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Sam-04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 581==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 581]] is used by Inspector Hassani ([[Zizan Razak]]).
[[Image:S&WModel581.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 581 - .38 Special.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-Zizan-02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inspector Hassani aims his Model 581.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Bushmaster Carbon 15==
The [[Bushmaster Carbon 15]] submachine guns is used by Malaysian Special Task Force on Organised Crime officers.
[[Image:Bush7.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Bushmaster Carbon 15 LE, 9mm version - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|STAFOC officers armed with the Carbon 15.]]

=Assault Rifles=
==Norinco Type 56==
A gunman of the drug syndicate and Thai's drug gunmen at their hideout uses a [[Norinco Type 56]].
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[File:Polis-Evo-AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Izrael's guards on the right with the Type 56.]]

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File:Bukit Kepong-Prolouge-Marine Police 002.jpg

2015-09-21T03:34:24Z

Alex Vostox:

Bukit Kepong

2015-09-21T02:50:18Z

Alex Vostox:

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{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bukit Kepong (1982).JPG
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Jins Shamsudin
| date= 1982
| language = Malay
| studio = Jins Shamsudin Productions
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Sgt Jamil Mohd Shah
| actor1 = Jins Shamsudin
| character2 = L/Cpl Jidin Omar
| actor2 = A. Rahim
| character3 = PC Othman Yusof
| actor3 = Hussein Abu Hassan
| character4 = PC Jaafar Hassan
| actor4 = Yusof Haslam
}}

'''''Bukit Kepong''''' is the 1982 Malaysian war film based on the true story of the Bukit Kepong tragedy. The film chronicles the heroic of Bukit Kepong police officers fight against communist terrorist after communist launched an attack the police station during the Malayan Emergency 1948-1960. [[Jins Shamsudin]] starred in the film as Bukit Kepong police sergeant, Jamil Mohd Shah. In August 2015, this movie was re-released with High-Definition version.

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 
=Handguns=
==Webley .38 Mk IV==
The [[Webley .38 Mk IV]] is the service revolver seen carried by every police chief during the Malayan Emergency. In the film, the Webley Mk IV is used by Sargeant Jamil Mohd Shah ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) as his sidearm. The Webley Mk IV was also seen in the hands of the communist terrorist to execute their own comrade after they betraying the cause.
[[File:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Webley Mk IV - .38 S&W]]

===Special===
[[File:BK-BehindTheScenes-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes footage shows [[Jins Shamsudin]] with a holstered Webley Mk IV on the left.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Sten Mk II==
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by one of the the Communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:Unitsten2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk II (Canadian) - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the communist gunmen is seen hold his Sten Mk II.]]

==Sten Mk V==
The [[Sten Mk V]] is the standard submachine gun for Federation of Malaya Police and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film, most featured had the forward pistol grip removed. Also, it has been used by the terrorist of the Malayan Communist Party. In the film, the Sten is used by Bukit Kepong police chief Sargeant Jamil Mohd Shah ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) and Constable Jaafar Hassan ([[Yusof Haslam]]) as they try to defend the station by communist forces.
[[File:Sten Mk5 without vertical grip.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk V - 9x19mm without vertical grip.]]
[[File:BukitKepong-StenMkV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) fires his [[Sten Mk V]] submachine gun a the communist terrorist.]]
[[File:BTF-Sten&No.4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil wih his [[Sten Mk V]] provide cover during the station assault.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gunmen fires at PC Jaafar with his Sten Mk V.]]

=Rifles / Carbines=
==Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk 1*==
The [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] is the standard service rifle seen carried by the majority of the Federation of Malaya Police officers. The No.4 Mk 1* rifle was also seen in the hands of the terrorist of Malayan Communist Party and the Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1 - .303 British]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Bukit Kepong police officers with [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] rifles taking their positions after their station is under attack by communist.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bukit Kepong police officer fires his No.4 Mk 1 rifle before he gets grenade explode by Communist gunmens.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soldiers from the Police Jungle Squad advance with a variety of weapons including the No.4 Mk 1.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Two communist terrorist takes aim with No.4 Mk 1* rifles prepares to executed their comrades.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist has a slung No.4 Mk 1 rifle.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist terrorist holds the No.4 Mk 1 when they robbing the shop.]]

==Lee-Enfield No 1 Mk 3*==
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk 3*]] is seen being carried by the Malayan communists, auxiliary police officers, villagers and Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The communist terrorist with No.1 Mk 3* rifles prepares to execute traitors.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist on the right has a slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

==M1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is also seen used by communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad in the film.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine (Post-War) - .30 Carbine. It has the adjustable rear sight and a bayonet lug.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Police Jungle Squad troops on the left are seen carrying the M1A1 Carbine - .30 carbine.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist terrorist is also seen using an M1 Carbine when he threated the shop owner.]]

=Light Machine Guns=
==Bren Mk I==
[[Bren Mk I]] light machine guns are also used by the Federation of Malaya Police, Communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad. After finding the ammunition for Bren gun was depleted, Police Constable Yussof Rono ([[Latifi Ahmad]]) dismantled the Bren by throwing away the magazine, barrel and firing pin to prevent capture by terrorist
[[File:Bren gun.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Bren Mk I light machine gun - .303 British]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The communist fires his Bren Mk I light machine guns to the Bukit Kepong Police Station.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil fires his Bren Mk I light machine guns at the communist forces during to covering fire for his fellow officer.]]

=Grenades=
==No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb==
The [[Mills Bomb|No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb]] is used by Communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film.
[[File:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|none|250px|No. 36M Mk.I "Mills Bomb" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist terrorist carries the Mills Bomb hand grenade on his belt along with his slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

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Bukit Kepong

2015-09-21T02:26:18Z

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{{Infobox Movie
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| picture = Bukit Kepong (1982).JPG
| caption = ''Poster''
| country = [[Image:MAL.jpg|25px]] Malaysia
| director = Jins Shamsudin
| date= 1982
| language = Malay
| studio = Jins Shamsudin Productions
| distributor = Distributor of Film
| character1 = Sgt Jamil Mohd Shah
| actor1 = Jins Shamsudin
| character2 = L/Cpl Jidin Omar
| actor2 = A. Rahim
| character3 = PC Othman Yusof
| actor3 = Hussein Abu Hassan
| character4 = PC Jaafar Hassan
| actor4 = Yusof Haslam
}}

'''''Bukit Kepong''''' is the 1982 Malaysian war film based on the true story of the Bukit Kepong tragedy. The film chronicles the heroic of Bukit Kepong police officers fight against communist terrorist after communist launched an attack the police station during the Malayan Emergency 1948-1960. [[Jins Shamsudin]] starred in the film as Bukit Kepong police sergeant, Jamil Mohd Shah. In August 2015, this movie was re-released with High-Definition version.

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=Handguns=
==Webley .38 Mk IV==
The [[Webley .38 Mk IV]] is the service revolver seen carried by every police chief during the Malayan Emergency. In the film, the Webley Mk IV is used by Sargeant Jamil Mohd Shah ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) as his sidearm. The Webley Mk IV was also seen in the hands of the communist henchmen during execute the traitors.
[[File:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Webley Mk IV - .38 S&W]]

===Special===
[[File:BK-BehindTheScenes-Webley.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes footage shows [[Jins Shamsudin]] with a holstered Webley Mk IV on the left.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Sten Mk II==
The [[Sten Mk II]] submachine guns used by one of the the Communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:Unitsten2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk II (Canadian) - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the communist gunmen is seen hold his Sten Mk II.]]

==Sten Mk V==
The [[Sten Mk V]] is the standard submachine gun for Federation of Malaya Police and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film, most featured had the forward pistol grip removed. Also, it has been used by the terrorist of the Malayan Communist Party. In the film, the Sten is used by Bukit Kepong police chief Sargeant Jamil Mohd Shah and Constable Jaafar Hassan ([[Yusof Haslam]]) as they try to defend the station by communist forces.
[[File:Sten Mk5 without vertical grip.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sten Mk V - 9x19mm without vertical grip.]]
[[File:BukitKepong-StenMkV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil ([[Jins Shamsudin]]) fires his [[Sten Mk V]] submachine gun a the communist terrorist.]]
[[File:BTF-Sten&No.4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil wih his [[Sten Mk V]] provide cover during the station assault.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gunmen fires at PC Jaafar with his Sten Mk V.]]

=Rifles / Carbines=
==Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk 1*==
The [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] is the standard service rifle seen carried by the majority of the Federation of Malaya Police officers. The No.4 Mk 1* rifle was also seen in the hands of the terrorist of Malayan Communist Party and the Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1 - .303 British]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1.jpg‎|thumb|none|601px|Bukit Kepong police officers with [[Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1*]] rifles taking their positions after their station is under attack by communist.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bukit Kepong police officer fires his No.4 Mk 1 rifle before he gets grenade explode by Communist gunmens.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soldiers from the Police Jungle Squad advance with a variety of weapons including the No.4 Mk 1.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Two communist terrorist takes aim with No.4 Mk 1* rifles prepares to executed their comrades.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist has a slung No.4 Mk 1 rifle.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist terrorist holds the No.4 Mk 1 when they breaching the shop.]]

==Lee-Enfield No 1 Mk 3*==
The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk 3*]] is seen being carried by the Malayan communists, auxiliary police officers, villagers and Police Jungle Squad.
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.]]
[[File:BK-No.4Mk1&No.1Mk3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The communist terrorist with No.1 Mk 3* rifles prepares to execute traitors.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist on the right has a slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

==M1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine]] is also seen used by communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad in the film.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine (Post-War) - .30 Carbine. It has the adjustable rear sight and a bayonet lug.]]
[[File:BK-No4Mk1&M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Police Jungle Squad troops on the left are seen carrying the M1A1 Carbine - .30 carbine.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist terrorist is also seen using an M1 Carbine when he threated the shop owner.]]

=Light Machine Guns=
==Bren Mk I==
[[Bren Mk I]] light machine guns are also used by the Federation of Malaya Police, Communist terrorist and Police Jungle Squad. After finding the ammunition for Bren gun was depleted, Police Constable Yussof Rono ([[Latifi Ahmad]]) dismantled the Bren by throwing away the magazine, barrel and firing pin to prevent capture by terrorist
[[File:Bren gun.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Bren Mk I light machine gun - .303 British]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The communist fires his Bren Mk I light machine guns to the Bukit Kepong Police Station.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt Jamil fires his Bren Mk I light machine guns at the communist forces during to covering fire for his fellow officer.]]

=Grenades=
==No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb==
The [[Mills Bomb|No. 36M Mk.I Mills Bomb]] is used by Communist gunmens and Police Jungle Squad troops in the film.
[[File:Mills Bomb SGM-1.jpg|thumb|none|250px|No. 36M Mk.I "Mills Bomb" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[File:Bukit Kepong HD Official Trailer-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Communist gunmen carries the Mills Bomb hand grenade on his belt along with his slung No.1 Mk 3.]]

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