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Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-21T10:13:10Z

APS221: /* Smoke Grenades */

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
*This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Forum Request

2013-01-15T03:32:59Z

APS221:

Hello, I would like a forum account. My e-mail is aps221219@hotmail.com [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 22:31, 14 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Forum Request

2013-01-15T03:31:40Z

APS221:

Hello, I would like a forum account. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 22:31, 14 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Last Resort

2012-12-14T23:32:44Z

APS221: 21-gun salute info.

= Holster =

What kind of holster is this?

[[File:LastRS1E01 109.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Closeup of King's SIG in "Captain" (S1E01).]]

:Think it is an [http://www.centermassfirearms.com/accessories/holsters/uncle-mike-s-kydex-paddle-holster-for-sig-p220-and-p226.html Uncle Mike's Kydex holster]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:36, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
::The one in the show has a button release. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:07, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:::Where's the button, I can't see it in that image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:09, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:::Oh wait, nevermind. I thought his index finger is over a button cause there's an indention [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:52, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

::::There seems to be a continuity error with the SIG, too. In the second screenshot, he's using an early-model P226 with a stamped slide, but the one in the holster is a newer generation model (probably a P226R), as evidenced by the milled slide with external extractor. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 12:55, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

:::::Just watched Episode 6, and King's P226 is definitely a P226 E2. It only seems to be in the first part of Episode 1 that he and the other SEALs use the older-generation 226s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 00:46, 9 November 2012 (EST)

= M4gery? =

Is this guy's M4's barrel a bit too long? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:37, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

[[File:LastRS1E02 M4 long barrel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

I think it is a regular M4. On first glance I thought it looked long, but when I actually measured it, I think it is about right. I think there is kind of an optical illusion with the front sight blending in with the guys arm making the exposed length of barrel appear longer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:19, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

= Woodland Camo =
Aren't the woodland BDUs worn by the Russians very outdated for the US Army, especially Delta, who I believe issues Multicam. Shouldn't this have revealed to the Colorado Crew that these weren't real American SF operators. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 22:19, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

*insert the Navy is stupid joke*. We would be able to tell just from the guns in general. Like why would Delta be using old style CAR-15s? But at least the Russians are wearing Woodland camo while all the Navy guys got the blue camo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:07, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

: Maybe they wear any camo to not give away their identity (if actual Delta Force)? I dunno. I could be wrong. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:32, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

::It isn't that farfetched to assume that American SF would wear camouflage that is suitable to the environment they are operating in. For instance, American SF troops (Green Berets and MARSOC) have continued to wear woodland BDUs in Afghanistan and the Philippines. Since the island is mostly jungle, woodland BDUs would probably have been what actual American SF troops would've been wearing in those circumstances. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 02:19, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

:Agree on that. I believe that Spetsnaz commandos wore them so that they won't be easily identified as Russian SOF. IIRC, this is a doctrine most SF are trained to do. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 04:22, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Good point. I think aside from the CAR-15s, it would have been impossible to tell they weren't US troops. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:58, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

:Realistically, there's no reason US SOF like Delta wouldn't use older 733s, 653s, etc., if the mission parameters called for it (same goes for Russians and M4s; who's to say they don't have them kitted out just like we do for any possible use they might be?), while production and use of the M81 woodland pattern is quite widespread in the world, making it a good, effective pattern for covert use in jungle environments. But with all that said, I ''have'' seen pics of FSB special troops and alleged Alfa commandos wearing multicam, so that pattern isn't unique to US forces, either. As for the Ruskies in the show using them, my guess is that maybe all of the armor's M4s were passed out to the crew of the Colorado, leaving none left over. Another possibility is that it was done so that people like us who are familiar with what the US military uses could squint our eyes and say, "Hey, something's not right here..." The latter was certainly my reaction. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:11, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
::That's not a good reason saying there is no reason. Why would our SF uses out dated weapons in a situation like this? It's like in that one movie The Green Zone where all the SF guys had CAR-15s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:11, 9 November 2012 (EST)
:::I don't presume, or even ''want'', to know, what the operational standards of assaulting an island held by a rogue, nuclear-armed US Navy sub captain, but if the unit doing it were to deem CAR-15s suitable, then they sure would use them. But as I also said, it's likely all the on-set armorer's M4s were passed out to the Colorado's crew that day and these were just used because they looked most like an M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (EST)

==CAR-15s?==

Can someone watch the episode again because I am not sure what kind of CAR-15s those are. They look like 733s because of the short barrels and the suppressors but now I'm not sure. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:18, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

:They certainly look like 733s, but the suppressors leave a bit of ambiguity due to some models, such as the AAC M4-2000, covering longer portions of the barrel than the typically-issued KAC cans. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:11, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

== 21 Gun Salute? ==

In Episode 3, Kendal talks about the Captain's son getting a 21 Gun salute. What is he talking about? I thought only heads of state receive that honor. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:56, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Its probably just one of the many shows mistakes, its not like its act of valor. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Only the president gets a 21 Gun salute. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:13, 10 November 2012 (EST)

This is a pretty common mistake. They confused a 21-gun salue with a three-volley salue. The 21-gun salute comes from naval traditions, and are performed with actual guns (i.e. cannons or other artillery pieces). The three-volley salute is performed with rifles by members of an honor guard during a military funeral. The tradition comes from the custom of firing three shots in the air to signal that all dead and wounded have been removed from the battlefield. The rifle party is usally made up of 7 members, so they end up firing a total of 21 rounds. As a result, people mistake it for a 21-gun salute. In addition, three shell casings are included with the folded flag as "proof" the honor was rendered. They are said to represent duty, honor, and country. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 18:32, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== MP5K selector ==
Anyone else notice that despite King clearly firing his MP5K on full-auto, close-ups showed the selector in the burst position? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:I noticed that, in fact bother of them appear to be firing in full auto with the selector set to 3 round burst. There are several explanations:
:*First is that they are using replicas and are just mining with CGI effects. I don't think this is the case as the muzzle flash doesn't look fake, and you can see casings along with smoke coming out of the ejection port.
:*Second, is that the guns have a regular safe/semi/auto trigger group inside a burst housing. Not sure if the selector and pictograms would line up like this, but is a possibility as the FA setting on a regular navy lower is much neared to semi than on a burst lower.
:*Third, is that the guns are actually firing in burst, but the editing and sound effects are misleading. For example, at the start of the shoot out when King and Sam are being a fork lift truck, you can see that whilst firing King is continuously pulling the trigger on hid MP5K, as if it is firing in bursts but he is trying to fire continuously.
:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:24, 14 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Skyfall

2012-04-08T05:47:15Z

APS221:

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Skyfall

2012-04-08T05:46:51Z

APS221:

Talk:Skyfall

2012-04-08T05:46:23Z

APS221: Included link to "The Guns of Bond" on YouTube.

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU[url]
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years.

Talk:Alcatraz

2012-02-14T09:09:22Z

APS221:

this page is free to edit (please feel free to make changes and add weapons and pics)--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 18:35, 9 February 2012 (CST)

I grabbed some temporary caps off of Hulu from the pilot to spruce up the page. I don't think I'll be keeping up with this series though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:09, 10 February 2012 (CST)

As i said, feel free to edit and change things--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 18:27, 10 February 2012 (CST)
:Yes, it's a wiki. That's sort of implied. :P --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:34, 10 February 2012 (CST)
Thanks for that. Make me feel like a a**hole.

I'm sorry, i tried to insert a better M4 pic. Can someone please make that change for me. You'll find the pic under the file name that is listed, its the one with the forward railguard and sight attachment--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 19:26, 10 February 2012 (CST)
:Is that the one? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:45, 10 February 2012 (CST)

yeah, thanks very much--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 19:47, 10 February 2012 (CST)

== Guy Hastings 1911 ==

I believe that Guy Hastings uses a standard Colt M1911 or a Colt Government Model [Cant find a decent pic, so identifying exact make/model is impossible]this is due the to original style Hammer, Safety and slide release but I'm sure it wasn't a Kimber Warrior. --[[User:BrokenBullet|BrokenBullet]] 14:11, 11 February 2012 (CST)

How do you get screen grabs off of HULU?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 09:21, 12 February 2012 (CST)
:It's a little trickier now than it was a year ago since they updated their player. I use a program named FastStone Image Viewer, which has an option for capturing windows. Open the video in a pop-out window, and when you capture the window, you can't actually click on the video itself, otherwise the image will be obscured. Click AROUND the video, and then crop it. I hope that helps. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:24, 12 February 2012 (CST)

== Proper Titles ==

Please note my fine firearm-identifying comrades that the San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) has never had "Detectives".They have always have, and still do, identify their plainclothes investigators as "Inspectors" Ex: Inspector Harry Callahan or Insp. Callahan. As a result title them as such.

-GladeTaylor
:Thanks. Someone should tell [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1728102/combined IMDb] then. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:41, 13 February 2012 (CST)

:This is Hollywood, BTW, so don't expect accuracy. —nkingman
::Someone needs to tell the show's writers. The title "Detective" is incorrectly used throughout the show. It's bugged me since the pilot episode. -APS221