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		<title>Talk:Bad Boys II</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;That unregistered user that wrote in here that it was the &amp;quot;Sig version&amp;quot; of the Walther PPK (none exsists), but i think he's right. It appears to be a SIG P232. - [[User:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glocks or Smith and Wesson Sigmas ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know it is tough to tell the difference but Will Smiths pistols look like Smith and Wesson Sigmas not Glocks.  They are virtually identical but the Sigma comes with a Stainless Steel slide standard and cost half as much as a glock.  A good call if you are over budget on a film.&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, they are definitely Glocks. When Syd tosses Marcus' gun on the land mine at the end, you clearly see the &amp;quot;G&amp;quot; on the grip. The Sigma may be a Glock imitation, but there are too many differences to be mistaken.&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's a Michael Bay movie. You honestly think he had trouble with the budget?&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Could I please get some clarity about this Glock issue. Well first of all definately not Sigma's. I collect S&amp;amp;W firearms and in fact even if you look at them in the passing they don't look anything like Glocks. The rounded trigger guards, different grip shape, etc. etc. Even though S&amp;amp;W did lose the law suit and had to pay. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock issue I have is with the inconsistency with them being Glock 17's and then Glock 17 &amp;amp; Glock 19 combo. In fact some user chastised me for modify his post claiming one is a Glock 17 1st generation and the other a Glock 17 2nd generation. I'm not completely incompetent when it comes to firearms. In fact it's not a hobby but a obsession. Never .... wait for it..... Never has the generations shortened the gun so that the Glock 17 goes from a full-size to a compact handgun. And it is not like Michael Bay to make continuity erros like that with his main character. In fact the very first picture on this page that load of bull is sold to us. Then later on in the same Glock 17 block it is claimed that &amp;quot;sydney&amp;quot; has his (being Will Smith) Glock 19. So can we get some clarity on this. I strongly believe it is a Glock 17 and Glock 19 combo and not some made up 2nd generation &amp;quot;compact&amp;quot; of the 17.&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of finish? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I can't seem to tell exactly what kind of finish was used on Will Smith's two-tone Glock 17s.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tutone black polymer frame and chromed steel slides.&lt;br /&gt;
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I originally thought it was Caspian Stainless Steel slides but if you go look at the pictures of those Caspian slides you would see they don't have the detail on the slide that Glock has on there slides. The &amp;quot;9x19&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;G17&amp;quot; ect. on them. So definately chromed slides. Not shiny (for lack of a better word) enough for nickel plating. Personally I enjoy a good hard chromed slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a Raging Bull ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The big revolver that the KKK guy is holding is not a Taurus Raging Bull.  It's a Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Performance Center 629 WB - http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&amp;amp;storeId=10001&amp;amp;productId=65209&amp;amp;langId=-1&amp;amp;parent_category_rn=15714&amp;amp;isFirearm=Y&lt;br /&gt;
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The Taurus lacks the Weaver rail on the top, and it does not have the scallop down the side in front of the ejector rod.  You would also be able to see at least one of the 'L's from 'Raging Bull' on the side from the picture that you have.&lt;br /&gt;
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:''I concur.  The giveaway is the Cylinder pin area.  The S&amp;amp;W shots from the site are identical to the gun in the screencaps.  The Taurus doesn't look like that, in that particular area.  We should change the gun ID for that section. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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==The size of the screencaps==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't want to offend Orca, but the screencaps are way too small. I think the screencaps should go back to 500px.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Done. I agree with you, I don't like seeing huge screencaps either, but I don't want them to be so small, you can hardly see the gun because not everyone wants to click on the pictures to seee the gun, so in this case, I think the images should be atleast 500px, not too big or small.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you Alienqueen. I hope we didn't piss Orca off.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: You most certainly did! I do -NOT- appreciate people tampering with my articles without at least asking my permission! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, this is a wiki and that means any one can edit it. I also think we should resolve this like they do in wikipedia so we can avoid a edit war. We should vote if the images stay 500px or 400px.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sorry Orca, I got so used to seeing how big Gunmaster45 made his screengrabs that I wasn't used to seeing 400px anymore, I'll change them back myself if you want, but I want to let you know that even though I made the shots bigger, I left all the new text you put in on them. Let me know what you want to do--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wallpaper images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm  moving these here until there is a still I can find that's not wallpaper. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Of course we now expect you to put up stunning high resolution pics of these shots.  hahahaha the curse of being good [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:2003 bad boys ii 025.jpg|thumb|none|300px| Mike Lowrey with a Glock 17 at the ready in ''Bad Boys II''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Full06-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Alexei with his Taurus PT92s in a promotional picture]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sig P230 or P232 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Tapia's gun is an older P230, from the shape of the sights and cocking serations, and the bottom of the grip doesnt seem to have the inwards curve of the P232. [[Stephenf1234]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Miami PD==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know what the Miami Police department issues there officers?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Town</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Boston Police Department */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Unknowns==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Town-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jem (Jeremy Renner) fires a pistol.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks like a USP. -[[User:The_Winchester|Dr. Awesome]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, i think it's a USP Compact. -Scott; August 12th 2010&lt;br /&gt;
Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like it will be awesome? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus also this page is the talk of The Town. Puns are awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
And am I the only one who thinks that these guys are, like, alarmingly well-equipped for bank robbers? I WISH it were that easy to get a full-auto HK416. :(&lt;br /&gt;
:::Even if the registry was reopened you would still have a hard time getting one. HK would go out of their way to somehow stop that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Keep in mind that this is MASSACHUSETTS that the movie is set in. Strictest gun laws ever. SKS rifles aren't even allowed to be purchased inside the Boston city limits. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You know I have to admit I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the weapons used by this crew and those in other movies like [[Heat]] or something.  Where are these guys getting their firepower?  HK's 416 is strictly in use by SOCOM or SWAT units.  Sure the argument can be made they are acquiring some stuff on the &amp;quot;black market&amp;quot; but...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Heat actually made more sense than this one. AR-15 carbines are relatively easy to convert with drop in parts, Sigs and HK pistols are easy to find, and a semi-automatic HK 91 are nothing compared to an HK 416. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well to stretch it, we can say this movie takes place during a time when the HK416's civilian variant has been released already and like in Heat, the character bought the civilian variant and put in a drop in auto conversion. It IS a stretch, but at least my theory explains how they at least got a hold of a 416. &lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and to the guy up there saying that because this movie takes place in Massachusetts with the strictest gun laws ever doesn't mean ANYTHING to bank robbers or criminal in general. They coulda bought their guns outside of the state, transported them back to Massachusetts and then made them full auto. This is the fact showing that gun control in one state doesn't matter when all you have to do is go to the neighboring state. I mean, what's H&amp;amp;K really going to do when they find out that someone is using their guns in a bank robbery? You really think the gun company would go out of their way to make sure their name isn't tarnished when police have problem finding high profile criminals? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I should know what you can and can't do in MA, seeing as I live there. :P You can't even buy a handgun in Boston with a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder and/or a capacity exceeding six rounds, a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds, any SKS, AK47, UZI, AR-15, Steyr AUG, FN-FAL, and FN-FNC rifle. I agree, your point is valid, but there's no need to sound all snippy about it. all I was saying is that obtaining that level of weaponry would be a fairly difficult task. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I must agree with Excalibur01 here.  Professional CRIMINALS don't have the same barriers to weapons that law abiding regular citizens do.  Just having draconian gun laws really doesn't mean anything to a professional criminal.  A good example of this is the shootouts by the YAKUZA in JAPAN.  Seriously, the fact that criminals can get anything they want (and by definition DON'T follow the law anyway) proves how useless and stupid most gun prohibitions are.  ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I wasn't trying to be &amp;quot;snippy&amp;quot;. You're just reading my text in that tone. I was just being informative on how things work to the criminal mind. They don't follow the law or any rules at all. You really think a magazine limit will stop a criminal from committing crime? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Haha absolutely not, and in that respect, most, if not all, firearms laws are a joke. Sorry if I took that the wrong way, no hard feelings. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
And just as another stretch, it IS possible to get the HK USC, with is the civilian UMP and customize it to function like a UMP, but the best theory on why all the hard to get weapons is they most likely stole them from the Police. I mean, there are many departments that uses the UMP and there are some out there that do have the HK416. It wouldn't be TOO hard to believe they ambushed a cop car and stole their weapons or broke into a police armory. They seem to be good at breaking in and disguising themselves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:They could also possibly had illegal weapon imports from foreign countries. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I doubt it'd be an illegal import in full automatic since you'd have to have legit military or Law Enforcement credentials for something like that. HK has a very poor track record when it comes to civilian customer service. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It appears that Hollywood uses HK416s as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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::You guys are over-thinking this again. The bottom line is this: The robbers are using HK416s and other exotic automatic weapons because those guns look cool, and visual impact is all that matters in Hollywood. In real life, it is highly unlikely that we would ever see bank robbers using such hardware. It's not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also even in 'movie world', professional criminals can have ties to gun running operations like those run by the Hell's Angels or the Mafia or even the Drug Cartel.  There is NO BARRIER to any type of weapons ownership if you have the will and the CASH to get it and are willing to deal with very unsavory types.  The weapons used by the Mexican Drug cartel right NOW is proof of that.  Talk about a country with draconian gun control, it certainly doesn't stop the Drug Cartel gangs.  Now fortunately for us, in the real world, 99% of criminals are STUPID, but that's another thread all together..;)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well said MT2008...this is a movie not a documentry.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Aren't the robbers in the movie (McRay, Coughlin and Fergie the florist) Irish? Maybe they are raising funds for the IRA? What if they got the 416s from IRA arm dealers? The IRA affliated dealer in The Boondock Saints was shown to have an impressive arsenal including the HK PSG-1, Arctic Warfare Police, DShK etc. So my theory goes that some guerillas managed to kill British special forces, who may have been issued the HK 416s in limited quantities for testing and then sold them. What bugs me is the fact that on one hand these robbers are using HK 416s and on the other the TEC-9. If Jem wanted a 9mm smg, wouldn't the MP5(K) be a better choice?  --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 07:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, they're Irish, but that doesn't mean they're affiliated with the IRA. And the real-life IRA(s) is not nearly as well-armed as movies make them look (most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.) If you are seriously trying to explain the feasibility of Irish-American bank robbers having HK416s by suggesting that they could have gotten the weapons from the IRA, simply because of how the IRA is portrayed in ''movies''...well, do I even need to say it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Which part of guerillas killing British military personnel and selling their weapons not possible? I'm not saying that every single IRA is equiped with exotic weapons, just that it is possible they may get their hands on one or two. In that case it would be better to sell these and buy more cheaper guns. This theory fits perfectly with the PSG-1 and AWP while the DSHk could be supplied by Libya.  --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hold Up! the IRA is buying &amp;quot;most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.&amp;quot;?  Where is that information coming from? How can a little country like the U.S ;) supply its personally purchased firearms to the Mexican drug Cartels AND the IRA?...shit man we get blamed for everything!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(1.) There isn't any British military unit that uses the HK416. The SAS still uses traditional direct-impingement M16s and M4s (which is irrelevant, since the SAS also hasn't conducted any operations in Northern Ireland since the 1990s).&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(2.) Since 2007, the British Army has ended its operations in Northern Ireland. All British troops involved in combat and peacekeeping operations during the Troubles have either returned to base or returned to the mainland. Although there is still paramilitary activity in the province (from both Republican and Loyalist groups), it is now handled by Northern Ireland's police force, the PSNI. In other words, not many British military personnel walking around with their weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(3.) The Provisional IRA (which is what most people mean by &amp;quot;the IRA&amp;quot;) disarmed itself in 2005 and has become an exclusively political organization (all of its weapons, including its large stock of assault rifles, were decommissioned under the supervision of an international monitoring agency). There are still several splinter IRA factions (the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, and the Irish National Liberation Army) which do not support the peace process, but those groups are extremely poorly armed, due to the difficulties in securing funding and supply routes for weapons. If you ever find propaganda photos of them, you'll see that they're still using rusty old AKs sent to the PIRA by Qaddafi 25 years ago, and outdated civilian AR-15s that were bought by American IRA supporters from gun shops 30+ years ago.  If any of those groups had an HK416, I'm pretty sure they'd keep it for themselves.  They simply don't have enough weapons that they can afford to sell off to anyone else.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Need I say more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::''the IRA is buying &amp;quot;most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.&amp;quot;?  Where is that information coming from? ''&lt;br /&gt;
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::::As I've said, not IS, '''was'''. For most of its history, the IRA got most of its weapons from its supporters in the U.S. By the 1980s, the FBI had started cracking down on the IRA's American gunrunner network, and Libya took over supplying weapons. You can read more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation here]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Yahoo Movies==&lt;br /&gt;
Yahoo Movies has some pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo6&lt;br /&gt;
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo37&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jimmy O? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that cop with the wooden stocked 870 played by Titus Welliver, who plays Jimmy O'Phelan on Sons of Anarchy&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah that's him. He was in Affleck's Gone Baby Gone also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rifle with dual-magazines==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone knows what this rifle is? (in much better detail at [http://thetownmovie.warnerbros.com/data/downloads/wallpapers/get_wallpaper.html?image=1600/TT_WPs1600_NB_002.jpg]) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TT-AK?dualmags.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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AKMSU - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I always knew the nuns would get desperate after Sunday donations dried up :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Don't fear their rulers, few their automatic weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question on Fergie's gun *SPOILERS* ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is one for people who've seen the movie. Near the end when Doug goes to Fergie's and kills him. I was pretty sure that Fergie's pistol was a Glock but my friends swear that it was some sort of 1911. Did anybody get a clear look at it? [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Definitely a 1911 pistol, you could see the rounded top of the slide and the foreend was distinctly 1911 style.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, how they hell did I miss that? I'm supposed to be the 1911 whore and they're the ones who saw it haha, time for pride swallowing I suppose. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm certain it was a 1911, but was it full length or compact? I could swear it only had a 4&amp;quot; barrel, can anyone confirm or correct?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown Revolver ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone wanted to identify Renner's revolver...I just saw the film, and I think it's Smith and Wesson's new .38 Bodyguard. I swear I saw the top mounted cylinder release when he draws it and places it against the guy's leg.&lt;br /&gt;
Here's the gun in question...I've forgotten how to put the picture in, so here's the link: http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bodyguard38_103038_l1.jpg -Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it was a shrouded hammer, like on the S&amp;amp;W m38. And for some reason (don't ask why, it just randomly popped into my head) when I first saw it, my brain screamed &amp;quot;TAURUS&amp;quot;. Can't explain, just my first impression.&lt;br /&gt;
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When Affleck and Renner go to the projects to beat up the two guys who threw bottles at the bank manager/hostage/Affleck's new love interest, Renner shot one of the guys in both of his legs using a snubnose revolver.  Anybody know what make and model it was???&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a hammerless Snub nose type of revolver. Taurus Model 65 I believe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Taurus was my first impression as well. Though I thought it had a shrouded hammer...&lt;br /&gt;
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Might have been a Ruger LCR&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm thinking Taurus 651 or 851. Was not hammerless, had a shrouded hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was thinking that it was more of a Smith and Wesson model 38, maybe model 36 or a small 357 like a 620&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
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Doug MacRay is seen shooting off a pistol while in a non-functioning train car.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2010-12-09-23h12m08s44.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a compact 1911 in some kind of officer's model...possibly a custom Colt with stainless push pins.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't remeber this seen... when did this happen? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This was after MacRay went to Claire's home. After she found out that Doug is a suspect.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the scene from the extended edition? Cause I watched the movie at least a dozen times over the last day, and I never saw this scene.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, this a new one on me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SA SA58 OSW Carbine in the opening robbery  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the DSA SA58 OSW Carbine is in the opening robbery scene, carried by the guy who &amp;quot;drowns&amp;quot; the cell phones of the staff.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's what I thought, too (I went into the movie having seen the trailer, which has the SA58 being used), but I could've sworn I saw that it had an AR-style 5.56x45mm mag. We'll need to wait until the Blu Ray comes out in order to confirm what it was, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just watched the movie. The rifle used by Des in the opening scene is a [[Galil#Galil MAR|Micro Galil]], not the SA58 OSW used by Doug later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who's doing this? Cause I got the DVD of it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I'm traveling on Sunday and packing tomorrow, so I won't be able to do it immediately. But I've got the Blu Ray, so I'd prefer I did it (unless somebody else has the Blu Ray and is as careful and thorough at screencapping as I am). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can get the Blu Ray but if you know me...I might miss something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't this a Taurus PT92?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought it was a Two tone Beretta 92FS.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 03:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have the movie on Blu-Ray, and it's a Beretta 92FS Inox. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I thought it was a regular Beretta not an Inox, but I'll watch it again.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Must be thinking of another movie.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Boston Police Department==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering if anyone knows of the firearms that a Boston cop is permitted to carry? I have been trying to figure this out for a lot of major citys but no luck. I can't find San Diego, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta. --[[User:24guns|24guns]] 4:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Town</title>
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[[Image:Town-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jem (Jeremy Renner) fires a pistol.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks like a USP. -[[User:The_Winchester|Dr. Awesome]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, i think it's a USP Compact. -Scott; August 12th 2010&lt;br /&gt;
Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like it will be awesome? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Plus also this page is the talk of The Town. Puns are awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
And am I the only one who thinks that these guys are, like, alarmingly well-equipped for bank robbers? I WISH it were that easy to get a full-auto HK416. :(&lt;br /&gt;
:::Even if the registry was reopened you would still have a hard time getting one. HK would go out of their way to somehow stop that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Keep in mind that this is MASSACHUSETTS that the movie is set in. Strictest gun laws ever. SKS rifles aren't even allowed to be purchased inside the Boston city limits. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You know I have to admit I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the weapons used by this crew and those in other movies like [[Heat]] or something.  Where are these guys getting their firepower?  HK's 416 is strictly in use by SOCOM or SWAT units.  Sure the argument can be made they are acquiring some stuff on the &amp;quot;black market&amp;quot; but...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Heat actually made more sense than this one. AR-15 carbines are relatively easy to convert with drop in parts, Sigs and HK pistols are easy to find, and a semi-automatic HK 91 are nothing compared to an HK 416. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well to stretch it, we can say this movie takes place during a time when the HK416's civilian variant has been released already and like in Heat, the character bought the civilian variant and put in a drop in auto conversion. It IS a stretch, but at least my theory explains how they at least got a hold of a 416. &lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and to the guy up there saying that because this movie takes place in Massachusetts with the strictest gun laws ever doesn't mean ANYTHING to bank robbers or criminal in general. They coulda bought their guns outside of the state, transported them back to Massachusetts and then made them full auto. This is the fact showing that gun control in one state doesn't matter when all you have to do is go to the neighboring state. I mean, what's H&amp;amp;K really going to do when they find out that someone is using their guns in a bank robbery? You really think the gun company would go out of their way to make sure their name isn't tarnished when police have problem finding high profile criminals? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I should know what you can and can't do in MA, seeing as I live there. :P You can't even buy a handgun in Boston with a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder and/or a capacity exceeding six rounds, a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds, any SKS, AK47, UZI, AR-15, Steyr AUG, FN-FAL, and FN-FNC rifle. I agree, your point is valid, but there's no need to sound all snippy about it. all I was saying is that obtaining that level of weaponry would be a fairly difficult task. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I must agree with Excalibur01 here.  Professional CRIMINALS don't have the same barriers to weapons that law abiding regular citizens do.  Just having draconian gun laws really doesn't mean anything to a professional criminal.  A good example of this is the shootouts by the YAKUZA in JAPAN.  Seriously, the fact that criminals can get anything they want (and by definition DON'T follow the law anyway) proves how useless and stupid most gun prohibitions are.  ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I wasn't trying to be &amp;quot;snippy&amp;quot;. You're just reading my text in that tone. I was just being informative on how things work to the criminal mind. They don't follow the law or any rules at all. You really think a magazine limit will stop a criminal from committing crime? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Haha absolutely not, and in that respect, most, if not all, firearms laws are a joke. Sorry if I took that the wrong way, no hard feelings. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
And just as another stretch, it IS possible to get the HK USC, with is the civilian UMP and customize it to function like a UMP, but the best theory on why all the hard to get weapons is they most likely stole them from the Police. I mean, there are many departments that uses the UMP and there are some out there that do have the HK416. It wouldn't be TOO hard to believe they ambushed a cop car and stole their weapons or broke into a police armory. They seem to be good at breaking in and disguising themselves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:They could also possibly had illegal weapon imports from foreign countries. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I doubt it'd be an illegal import in full automatic since you'd have to have legit military or Law Enforcement credentials for something like that. HK has a very poor track record when it comes to civilian customer service. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It appears that Hollywood uses HK416s as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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::You guys are over-thinking this again. The bottom line is this: The robbers are using HK416s and other exotic automatic weapons because those guns look cool, and visual impact is all that matters in Hollywood. In real life, it is highly unlikely that we would ever see bank robbers using such hardware. It's not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also even in 'movie world', professional criminals can have ties to gun running operations like those run by the Hell's Angels or the Mafia or even the Drug Cartel.  There is NO BARRIER to any type of weapons ownership if you have the will and the CASH to get it and are willing to deal with very unsavory types.  The weapons used by the Mexican Drug cartel right NOW is proof of that.  Talk about a country with draconian gun control, it certainly doesn't stop the Drug Cartel gangs.  Now fortunately for us, in the real world, 99% of criminals are STUPID, but that's another thread all together..;)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well said MT2008...this is a movie not a documentry.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Aren't the robbers in the movie (McRay, Coughlin and Fergie the florist) Irish? Maybe they are raising funds for the IRA? What if they got the 416s from IRA arm dealers? The IRA affliated dealer in The Boondock Saints was shown to have an impressive arsenal including the HK PSG-1, Arctic Warfare Police, DShK etc. So my theory goes that some guerillas managed to kill British special forces, who may have been issued the HK 416s in limited quantities for testing and then sold them. What bugs me is the fact that on one hand these robbers are using HK 416s and on the other the TEC-9. If Jem wanted a 9mm smg, wouldn't the MP5(K) be a better choice?  --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 07:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, they're Irish, but that doesn't mean they're affiliated with the IRA. And the real-life IRA(s) is not nearly as well-armed as movies make them look (most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.) If you are seriously trying to explain the feasibility of Irish-American bank robbers having HK416s by suggesting that they could have gotten the weapons from the IRA, simply because of how the IRA is portrayed in ''movies''...well, do I even need to say it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Which part of guerillas killing British military personnel and selling their weapons not possible? I'm not saying that every single IRA is equiped with exotic weapons, just that it is possible they may get their hands on one or two. In that case it would be better to sell these and buy more cheaper guns. This theory fits perfectly with the PSG-1 and AWP while the DSHk could be supplied by Libya.  --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hold Up! the IRA is buying &amp;quot;most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.&amp;quot;?  Where is that information coming from? How can a little country like the U.S ;) supply its personally purchased firearms to the Mexican drug Cartels AND the IRA?...shit man we get blamed for everything!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(1.) There isn't any British military unit that uses the HK416. The SAS still uses traditional direct-impingement M16s and M4s (which is irrelevant, since the SAS also hasn't conducted any operations in Northern Ireland since the 1990s).&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(2.) Since 2007, the British Army has ended its operations in Northern Ireland. All British troops involved in combat and peacekeeping operations during the Troubles have either returned to base or returned to the mainland. Although there is still paramilitary activity in the province (from both Republican and Loyalist groups), it is now handled by Northern Ireland's police force, the PSNI. In other words, not many British military personnel walking around with their weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::(3.) The Provisional IRA (which is what most people mean by &amp;quot;the IRA&amp;quot;) disarmed itself in 2005 and has become an exclusively political organization (all of its weapons, including its large stock of assault rifles, were decommissioned under the supervision of an international monitoring agency). There are still several splinter IRA factions (the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, and the Irish National Liberation Army) which do not support the peace process, but those groups are extremely poorly armed, due to the difficulties in securing funding and supply routes for weapons. If you ever find propaganda photos of them, you'll see that they're still using rusty old AKs sent to the PIRA by Qaddafi 25 years ago, and outdated civilian AR-15s that were bought by American IRA supporters from gun shops 30+ years ago.  If any of those groups had an HK416, I'm pretty sure they'd keep it for themselves.  They simply don't have enough weapons that they can afford to sell off to anyone else.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Need I say more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::''the IRA is buying &amp;quot;most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.&amp;quot;?  Where is that information coming from? ''&lt;br /&gt;
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::::As I've said, not IS, '''was'''. For most of its history, the IRA got most of its weapons from its supporters in the U.S. By the 1980s, the FBI had started cracking down on the IRA's American gunrunner network, and Libya took over supplying weapons. You can read more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation here]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Yahoo Movies==&lt;br /&gt;
Yahoo Movies has some pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo6&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jimmy O? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or is that cop with the wooden stocked 870 played by Titus Welliver, who plays Jimmy O'Phelan on Sons of Anarchy&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah that's him. He was in Affleck's Gone Baby Gone also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rifle with dual-magazines==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone knows what this rifle is? (in much better detail at [http://thetownmovie.warnerbros.com/data/downloads/wallpapers/get_wallpaper.html?image=1600/TT_WPs1600_NB_002.jpg]) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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AKMSU - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I always knew the nuns would get desperate after Sunday donations dried up :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Don't fear their rulers, few their automatic weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question on Fergie's gun *SPOILERS* ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is one for people who've seen the movie. Near the end when Doug goes to Fergie's and kills him. I was pretty sure that Fergie's pistol was a Glock but my friends swear that it was some sort of 1911. Did anybody get a clear look at it? [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Definitely a 1911 pistol, you could see the rounded top of the slide and the foreend was distinctly 1911 style.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, how they hell did I miss that? I'm supposed to be the 1911 whore and they're the ones who saw it haha, time for pride swallowing I suppose. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm certain it was a 1911, but was it full length or compact? I could swear it only had a 4&amp;quot; barrel, can anyone confirm or correct?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown Revolver ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone wanted to identify Renner's revolver...I just saw the film, and I think it's Smith and Wesson's new .38 Bodyguard. I swear I saw the top mounted cylinder release when he draws it and places it against the guy's leg.&lt;br /&gt;
Here's the gun in question...I've forgotten how to put the picture in, so here's the link: http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bodyguard38_103038_l1.jpg -Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it was a shrouded hammer, like on the S&amp;amp;W m38. And for some reason (don't ask why, it just randomly popped into my head) when I first saw it, my brain screamed &amp;quot;TAURUS&amp;quot;. Can't explain, just my first impression.&lt;br /&gt;
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When Affleck and Renner go to the projects to beat up the two guys who threw bottles at the bank manager/hostage/Affleck's new love interest, Renner shot one of the guys in both of his legs using a snubnose revolver.  Anybody know what make and model it was???&lt;br /&gt;
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It looked like a hammerless Snub nose type of revolver. Taurus Model 65 I believe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Taurus was my first impression as well. Though I thought it had a shrouded hammer...&lt;br /&gt;
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Might have been a Ruger LCR&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm thinking Taurus 651 or 851. Was not hammerless, had a shrouded hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was thinking that it was more of a Smith and Wesson model 38, maybe model 36 or a small 357 like a 620&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
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Doug MacRay is seen shooting off a pistol while in a non-functioning train car.&lt;br /&gt;
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it looks like a compact 1911 in some kind of officer's model...possibly a custom Colt with stainless push pins.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't remeber this seen... when did this happen? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This was after MacRay went to Claire's home. After she found out that Doug is a suspect.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the scene from the extended edition? Cause I watched the movie at least a dozen times over the last day, and I never saw this scene.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, this a new one on me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SA SA58 OSW Carbine in the opening robbery  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the DSA SA58 OSW Carbine is in the opening robbery scene, carried by the guy who &amp;quot;drowns&amp;quot; the cell phones of the staff.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's what I thought, too (I went into the movie having seen the trailer, which has the SA58 being used), but I could've sworn I saw that it had an AR-style 5.56x45mm mag. We'll need to wait until the Blu Ray comes out in order to confirm what it was, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just watched the movie. The rifle used by Des in the opening scene is a [[Galil#Galil MAR|Micro Galil]], not the SA58 OSW used by Doug later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So who's doing this? Cause I got the DVD of it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I'm traveling on Sunday and packing tomorrow, so I won't be able to do it immediately. But I've got the Blu Ray, so I'd prefer I did it (unless somebody else has the Blu Ray and is as careful and thorough at screencapping as I am). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can get the Blu Ray but if you know me...I might miss something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't this a Taurus PT92?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought it was a Two tone Beretta 92FS.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 03:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have the movie on Blu-Ray, and it's a Beretta 92FS Inox. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I thought it was a regular Beretta not an Inox, but I'll watch it again.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Must be thinking of another movie.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Boston Police Department==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering if anyone knows of the firearms that a Boston cop is permitted to carry? I have been trying to figure this out for a lot of major citys but no luck. I can't find San Diego, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta. --[[User:24guns|24guns00 4:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
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As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
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A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Marines are better shooters because they spend more time than the army training as marksmans and their boot camp is several weeks longer. There's the stigma that they are tougher and they like to keep the thought like that and I believe they are and it's a lot of arrogance, but they have the training to back it up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That proves nothing of toughness, I'm not saying that they aren't. The army is better organized, I hate to say it but Marines are called Jar Heads for a reason, a lot of them are your steriotypical Jar Head douche bags. And as for the Marines being better shots, the guy with the most confirmed kills in the Vietnam War was US Army sniper Adelbert Waldron, he just never wrote a book about it like Carlos Hathcock. Adelbert had 109, Hathcock had 93 [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those are snipers. Jar heads are called that, but Army are called grunts for a reason too. And you listed Army SNIPERS. Marines have snipers too and they are just as good. Don't think the army doesn't have its share of rotten apples and lost credibility. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hate to break it to you buddy but Carlos Hathcock was a MARINE SNIPER NOT ARMY [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S7E12 Browning Hi-Power2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Juma aims his suppressed [[Browning Hi-Power|Hi-Power]] at Bill in episode 12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
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As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
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A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Marines are better shooters because they spend more time than the army training as marksmans and their boot camp is several weeks longer. There's the stigma that they are tougher and they like to keep the thought like that and I believe they are and it's a lot of arrogance, but they have the training to back it up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That proves nothing of toughness, I'm not saying that they aren't. The army is better organized, I hate to say it but Marines are called Jar Heads for a reason, a lot of them are your steriotypical Jar Head douche bags. And as for the Marines being better shots, the guy with the most confirmed kills in the Vietnam War was US Army sniper Adelbert Waldron, he just never wrote a book about it like Carlos Hathcock. Adelbert had 109, Hathcock had 93 [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S7E12 Browning Hi-Power2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Juma aims his suppressed [[Browning Hi-Power|Hi-Power]] at Bill in episode 12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Rock</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Not a soldier */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
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As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
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A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The Marines are better shooters because they spend more time than the army training as marksmans and their boot camp is several weeks longer. There's the stigma that they are tougher and they like to keep the thought like that and I believe they are and it's a lot of arrogance, but they have the training to back it up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That proves nothing of toughness, I'm not saying that they aren't. The army is better organized, I hate to say it but Marines are called Jar Heads for a reason, a lot of them are your steriotypical Jar Head douche bags. And as for the Marines being better shots, the guy with the most confirmed kills in the Vietnam War was US Army sniper Adelbert Waldron, he just never wrote a book about it like Carlos Hathcock. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
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Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
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you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S7E12 Browning Hi-Power2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Juma aims his suppressed [[Browning Hi-Power|Hi-Power]] at Bill in episode 12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
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As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The Marines are better shooters because they spend more time than the army training as marksmans and their boot camp is several weeks longer. There's the stigma that they are tougher and they like to keep the thought like that and I believe they are and it's a lot of arrogance, but they have the training to back it up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That proves nothing of toughness, I'm not saying that they aren't. The army is better organized, I hate to say it but Marines are called Jar Heads for a reason, a lot of them are your steriotypical Jar Head douche bags.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S7E12 Browning Hi-Power2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Juma aims his suppressed [[Browning Hi-Power|Hi-Power]] at Bill in episode 12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S7E12 Browning Hi-Power2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Juma aims his suppressed [[Browning Hi-Power|Hi-Power]] at Bill in episode 12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Not a soldier */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I was so green when I made this page. What a long strange trip its been. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Not a soldier ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word &amp;quot;soldier&amp;quot; is used metaphorically in this case. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, well I got some buddies who are Marines and they would think differently if being referred to as &amp;quot;A soldier&amp;quot;. It's like calling an Airman, a soldier. or a seaman, a soldier. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why the training an Army soldier goes through is tougher than the Marine', I'm pretty soldier is a broad term.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As I said, I know a some Marines who would say different about being referred to as &amp;quot;a soldier&amp;quot;. Training in Marines Boot Camp is harder and longer than Army [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This will just go on and on I know some Marines and I know some &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot; and at the end of the day were all on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A soldier is a member of the military. By definition. Army, marines, no difference.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I dunno what country you're from, Anonymous User, but in the United States, Marines get mad at being called &amp;quot;soldiers&amp;quot;.  Even most people who have never served know this.  Regardless of &amp;quot;definition&amp;quot;, that's the way things are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:MT2008 you are right Marines do get mad at being called soldiers, it's something to do with the Naval aspect to the Marines. But Excalibur01 as having cross trained with the Marines, I can honestly say that the Armys training is harder. But this is simply my opinion, but at the end of the day each branch has a job and they are all good at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10&amp;quot; barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5&amp;quot;)......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5&amp;quot; barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2.....&lt;br /&gt;
XM177E2 comes with a 11.5&amp;quot; barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot; )........&lt;br /&gt;
I deem that we can separate these guns as &amp;quot;Real XM177E2&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;AR-15 variation&amp;quot;(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders?&lt;br /&gt;
4.5&amp;quot; or 4.25&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25&amp;quot; while the others indicated that's 4.5&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:If you've ever read our section on the [[M16]] page for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177]] carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In ''[[The Rock]]'', it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fake&amp;quot; ones in this movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5&amp;quot;. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The fake XM177 problem again..... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well.....recently there are some new edits......claiming that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels...What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equipped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5&amp;quot;barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times...... [[User:76.199.197.40|User:76.199.197.40]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, in fact MOST XM177s that fired all throughout the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s were 11.5 inch barreled guns.  Most of them were either Colt 733s or Other manufacturers (Bushmaster 11.5&amp;quot;  barreled A1 uppers) with the aftermarket 4.5&amp;quot; XM177 Style flash hider (this had NO sound suppression capabilities as the real one did).  Many FAKE XM177s were shown with 10&amp;quot; barrels and a surprising number of them were MGC replicas (which of course, would never fire anyway).  I've seen shows where the actors carried the 10&amp;quot; barreled FAKES (probably replica) and then fired with a gun that magically became an 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2009-08-02-02h29m10s22.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
::As a note, see that notch ring on the flash hider?  That's indicative of a civilian AFTERMARKET XM177 flash hider that was COMMONLY sold in the 1980s.  The real XM177 combo suppressor/flash hider didn't have that.  So even THIS pic is a fake XM177 MPM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Friendsever]] 02:49, 2 August 2009  (GTM+8)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also wonder why none of the Navy Seals in this movie were given XM177s???&lt;br /&gt;
::The NAVY did use XM177 variant carbines in the role of short carbine capable of taking an M203 launcher (look at [[Navy SEALs]]) before the advent of the M4 platform.  The number actually used was small, in comparison to the huge number of standard M16s and M16/M203 combination seen in all of the branches of service from the early 1970s to now.  02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe they just ran out of fake XM177s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it has more to do with the fact that Michael Bay just wanted each side to use different types of weapons.  Also, the SEALs did use MP5s in real life (back when 9mm subguns were more fashionable than they are now). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hummel's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that the slide of Hummel's 1911 is a standard Government version. The distance by the beginning of the slide and the vertical grooves is to wide to be a normal 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Goverment Model Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1911 Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm assuming that a gun with slanted grooves (like a Gold Cup National Match or a Dan Wesson 1911) has been modified to look like a normal 1911. To confirm this theory, you can see in this brighter screen cap that the grooves appear to be deeper than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RockColtLight.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't think that is a National Match slide. In the picture above we can see a tipical government style incision under the ejection port. May be wrong, but I've never seen incision in that point on a GCNM. However the ejection port and the sights of a GCNM are different.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80).jpg|thumb|none|400px|National Match.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I ask this only because the space that I note before the vertical grooves is very large and I've never seen that on any standard 1911 and wanted to know if anyone can help.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta 92SB==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Darrow holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9. Note Tony Todd's hand makes the full size Beretta look like a compact.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Even though Tony Todd does have huge hands. Could the Beretta he uses be a 92SB-C lower and full size upper? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good catch. The bottom screw on the grip and the emblem in the middle are too close to each other. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I don't think so.  The 92SB-C has both a shorter grip and a shorter receiver length.  I think it's really just that Tony Todd's hands are huge.  I've seen him in other movies and TV shows where he handles guns, and I've always noticed how tiny even full-size pistols look in his hands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I do say the upper is from a full size 92. But the lower I don't see it. This pic below is supposed to be him (could be a stand-in) with a Hi-Power from 24. The grip length on the Hi-Power and the Full size 92 are roughly the same. His pinky finger doesn't look to be falling off the grip like he does with the Beretta in The Rock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just popped out the DVD again, and I realized something else: I'm suddenly not 100% sure it's Tony Todd holding the gun.  I think I even mentioned this to John back when the page was under construction.  It might be Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]), the other huge black Marine in the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That could be true since you don't really see his face. I still say it's Tony because the black gloves that he wore throughout the movie.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Unit</title>
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== Beretta Cheetah or SIG-Sauer? (updated 8/10/10) ==&lt;br /&gt;
I've added some pics and it looks more like a SIG.  Mack also mentions in the episode that she's carrying a .45 instead of 9mm. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at the last pic. Thats a SIG for sure. Looks like Jack Bauers SIG from the first few seasons of 24. &lt;br /&gt;
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What does this look like? Cause someone say it's a Cheetah. Cause it looks like a USP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks like a Beretta Cheetah in the cap and looked like one last time I watched the episode (which wasn't that long ago). It's too round and curvy to be a USP, which is square and blocky. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Then we have a continuity error in the dialogue. In the same episode where she used this gun, Mack asked why is she using a .45 than a 9? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Either that or it's implying her back-up is a larger caliber than her primary (a choice which doesn't make sense to me, either). Maybe just a script error or a moment of miscommunication between the armorer and director/writer/etc.? Heck, maybe the director just ''liked the Cheetah more''? Who knows really. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Her back up is a Derringer gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh yeah, now I remember. This scene is one of the more ridiculous ones in the show. Basically, Redcap empties her Cheetah into the soldier's body armor, kicks away his M4 but ignores the fact that the guy has a sidearm, drops the empty magazine from her gun with the guy staring straight up at her, then gets on the radio without reloading her gun first. I literally screamed &amp;quot;you idiot&amp;quot; at the TV. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was obviously on purpose for the script so she can bust out her back up. And about that episode, the rest of the unit had encountered at least 2 enemies with M4s and extra ammo, yet it never shows them picking up enemy weapons. They were running out during that last stand. That one bad guy's M4 would have been very useful right about then. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at the last pic. Thats a SIG for sure. Looks like Jack Bauers SIG from the first few seasons of 24.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, now that you mention it, it ''does'' look like a SIG. P245 maybe by the squared trigger guard? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a few more screencaps. I'm still not sure what it is, but it's definitely a SIG, either a P229 or P239.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:UnitSig2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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So which SIG shoots a .45? Besides the P220 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Neither the P229 or P239 do. I imagine the line about the .45 is just an error on the scriptwriter's part. Taking another look at the screencaps, I think it's a P229. Note that there are two grip screws, where the P239 only has one. In addition, the empty magazine looks to be a double-stack (the P239 is single-stack).--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 23:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with Lynx.  It's a two-tone P229.  Also, NEVER go by what the script says, because that's a bad way to tell.  The screenwriter may have written in &amp;quot;.45&amp;quot;, but the armorer may have brought a 9mm 229 to the set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Like the script for Predators. All the guns are completely NOT what the script writer wanted [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Into Hell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone find it odd how in Part-2 Mack and Grey didnt actually kill the Gunners. they like scared them off. they could have then went and not only confirmed their lack of an escape. but also confirm their Nationality? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But how would the gunners know their nationality?&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought they did kill the gunner with the RPD and then took off, then waiting for the rest to give chase so that Jonas could go Rambo on them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That was at the end of part 1. Dirtdiver is talking about part 2 when Alpha Team is barricaded in the basement of the psychiatric hospital. He means the Syrian gunners below.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UnitHMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Syrian forces set up the DshK in Season 4's &amp;quot;Into Hell, Part II&amp;quot; (Mack refers to it as a &amp;quot;big gun&amp;quot;.]] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Correct. and to the un-named question about their nationality think about it. their white (no racism intended), their wearing expensive body armor (who else). and they have heavily customized M4A1s. who else uses the M4A1? SAS maybe. besides didnt he yell out &amp;quot;big Gun&amp;quot; that would be in english. who speaks english??? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 19:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There's no guarantee they heard Mack, he was facing away from them, there was only a small opening in the door for sound to pass through, and maybe 30 feet of distance. And M4's are used by countries all over the world, 5 of which actually surround Syria. As far as the body armour bit goes, none of them are wearing any type of armour, just Blackhawk load bearing vests. $190US wouldn't be to much for most SF units. And about 500 million, to 1.8 billion people speak English. ''';)''' Film and television often require what is called a ''suspension of disbelief'', The Unit is no exception. The best option is just to go with it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 22:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You answered for me. A great example of identity in an international incident would be in MW2 in the No Russian mission. Just because you see a bunch of white guys with M4s, M240s and speaking in English, you cry out &amp;quot;Americans&amp;quot;. Of course that plot was stupid and I'll talk about it somewhere else, but the point is clear. In part 2 of Into Hell, they could have been anyone. The locals might have heard or saw something and maybe even recovered Jonas's M4 he left behind and the body of a couple American soldiers captured, but those are dead guys and they can say terrorists kidnapped them and brought them here, but they didn't capture anyone of the Unit alive so it doesn't matter if they spoke and even if they saw faces, nothing can really be proven because they are black ops and if the US government is questioned, they'd say they have no idea who they are talking about. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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None of which explains the 50+ people locked up in the mosque. it was quite obvious they were american. as they not only spoke english, but they also asked were the americans were held. and i guess i know what you mean about the Vests. but still BlackHawk is still an American Company. M4A1s are STILL used by US-SOF. i guess however they werent wearing any American flags so thats one thing. i will admit that just like in Johnny B. Goode they left little to no trace. on that topic couldnt the slug in the translators head be led back to America? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They didn't shoot any translators in the head. Not to mention, any of the many countries the US sells M4's to likely receive ammunition to go with it. And it's not just Americans who rescue Americans. Israel, Jordan and Iraq are friends of the US, and they share borders with Syria. They could have done it, or it could have been Canada, Britain, or any number of countries. Not just friends either, enemies could use it to create more tension between mid-east countries and the US. Iran has plenty of white people, there has to be at least 5 who speak fluent English with an American accent. Same with North Korea. Neither of which would have issue killing a few people to cause the US more trouble. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Noted. but im talking about Johnny B. Goode. in that episode their in IRAN. and Mack shoots the translator in the head. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 01:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:With a GI 1911, to boot. How common would .45 caliber be in that region? And FYI, SAS use the C8SFW, not the M4. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It's the same weapon and fires the same ammo, it's just called a different name. Like how the Canadians also use M4s and M16s, but it is called a different name and look just a BIT different. But as I said before, using the same guns, ammo and look the same doesn't matter to the special forces community because anyone who wants to, can get a hold of it. Do you know how many GIs must have died during WWII? Someone could have lost their 1911 on their way to Germany and it would have wounded up in Africa somehow. And how many common people know guns? The Iran police questions the people in the mosque about their weapons and most likely, they'd say &amp;quot;they got guns&amp;quot;. You'd ask a common man in the US about what guns our troops use and they most likely don't know. In an international incident, eye witnesses can only prove so much. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i guess. but even if they didnt no the name the police who probably no little more weaponry than them. would likely ask. is it like an AK (which is the gun EVERYONE has.) or the kind americans use. and in Johnny B. Goode im not talking about the gun. but the ammunition itself. being Special Ops their likely to have high standard Ammunition. American made ammunition. Something any forensic team would have the brains to look at. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 19:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But we can still go with the whole &amp;quot;The US is saying they didnt send any spec ops guys to your country excuse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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true. although Into Hell (part 1 and 2) are some of my favorite episodes, i was truthfully very disappointed in the body count.i guess that makes it more realistic but i would have liked to see a bit more Action in it. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 02:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone no if the weapon being used by Col. Tom Ryan in &amp;quot;Into Hell&amp;quot; is a Colt M933 or a HK416 it appears to be the same make as in Five Brother/Play 16 minus the vertical grip. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 15:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm very sure it was a 10&amp;quot; HK416. Can't confirm it though, needed the hard drive space. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 16:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a 416. Watch the special features on the DVDs and you'll get a better view of it.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 21:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks much guys. i actually was just watching the video off of I-tunes and noticed it looked more like a 416 the 2nd time i watched it. why is it so rare that Movies/ Tv always uses the CQC variant of it? do you think its because with the 14.5 barrel it looks the same as an M4 to the average person? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 22:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe it's because the 416 isn't widely available to armorers of movies and TV. It's awesome to have the 416 features in The Unit but they stopped using them in season 4, which is a shame since [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown S&amp;amp;W pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone know what model pistol this is? It appears to have a 3.5 inch barrel, squared trigger guard, external safety, and an external hammer (the hammer isn't very visible in the screencaps, as it's only seen on screen for moment).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UnitS&amp;amp;W-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Which episode is this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
This episode is &amp;quot;Hero&amp;quot; and is from Season 4. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think this is a 459 as has been posted. The barrel looks shorter than that of the 459, rather, it looks similar to that of a 469. Also, the grips are different.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 18:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Whiplash ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that in &amp;quot;Hero&amp;quot; Sam's first episode that he has some sort of SIG (possibly a 229) just before he pulls out the flashbang grenade in the opening scene. Can anyone confirm this for me or add some screenshots ??&lt;br /&gt;
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== Makarov &amp;quot;Kirovsky?&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In &amp;quot;Endgame&amp;quot;, Bob refers to the Makarov he finds as a &amp;quot;Kirovsky.&amp;quot; Is this an actual name/nickname for the Makarov (or the Gyurza) or is it simply TV talk?--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 03:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== ID weapons and episodes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Trying to figure what episodes these screenshots are from:&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun above must be a tokarev tt-33. Most probably the chinese copy Norinco Type 54 / Model 213. I base this off the fact that there are no soviet ones in chrome/stainless. Or possibly the Zastava M57 witch can be obtained in dualtone with silver slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, does anyone know what type of rifle this is?  It was seen in &amp;quot;The Wall&amp;quot;, and it appeared to be an automatic weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Need ID on the handgun Hector uses in &amp;quot;The Wall&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The small pistol on the left looks like a stainless colt mustang to me. - J3&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the first is from the end of &amp;quot;The Conduit&amp;quot;. The second is from Season 2's &amp;quot;Extreme Rendition&amp;quot;. The third and forth pictures almost look like a Hi Point carbine (converted to full auto, or perhaps the sound editor simply used the sound effects of a full auto weapon), while the last picture looks like it might be the Colt Compact M1991A1 that Kim uses.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 12:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would have to say your right in the first 2. Mack uses the Walther in the Conduit that was before he suppressed it. the 2nd was from Extreme Rendition when the EX-operator &amp;quot;escaped&amp;quot; Hector planted the bag there with the handgun in there. im not sure about the 3rd picture but im positive the 4th is from the episode &amp;quot;the Wall&amp;quot; i believe it might be Bob's sidearm as Mack had the walther. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 16:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walther ID episode==&lt;br /&gt;
While Mack did use the Walther in &amp;quot;The Conduit&amp;quot;, this particular screenshot is not from &amp;quot;The Conduit&amp;quot; because the episode aired ''after'' this shot was uploaded.  Any other guesses?&lt;br /&gt;
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I've seen every single episode from the Unit, minus Paradise Lost. id like to think id remember when he used that weapon as every other episode he uses the Colt 1911 and a Glock (in Security). he used the Walther in Conduit and the Wall. is it possible it happened in Paradise Lost? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 13:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's not Mack's hand, try looking for someone else holding a Walther. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The screenschot was uploaded the same day &amp;quot;Sudden Flight&amp;quot; (S4E2) aired. Can anyone check the first two episodes of Season 4 to see if it's from one of them? (I realize it could be from any episode from Seasons 1-3, but this seems like a good place to start).--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 18:54, 31 August 2010 (bUTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This image is at the end of The Conduit this is the episode where Mack goes undercover in the fight club. it is a walther ppk that he removes/puts on the suppressor after killing some dude.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Expendables</title>
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&lt;div&gt;A shame the trailer is soo low quality, it makes the screencaps look horrible --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sorry about that, I was looking on the internet and they said that there was a HD version but all the sites that had the trailer were the same quality with some being worse. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 22:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No need to apologize, I don't blame you -I also looked and found the same problem. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's==&lt;br /&gt;
The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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SPOILER SPOILER&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Just watched it==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 8s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Expendables&amp;diff=313638</id>
		<title>Talk:The Expendables</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Cameos */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A shame the trailer is soo low quality, it makes the screencaps look horrible --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sorry about that, I was looking on the internet and they said that there was a HD version but all the sites that had the trailer were the same quality with some being worse. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 22:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
No need to apologize, I don't blame you -I also looked and found the same problem. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253&lt;br /&gt;
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-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
-MP7&lt;br /&gt;
-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's==&lt;br /&gt;
The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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SPOILER SPOILER&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Just watched it==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Unit&amp;diff=310652</id>
		<title>Talk:The Unit</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-07T00:49:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Into Hell */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;This is one of those hard series since pictures are hard to find and I'm not a master of screenshots.&lt;br /&gt;
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I like to keep the format I've set for the photos of M4s and MP5Ks the way it is because there were a lot of photos and I think the current format for those are appealing.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beretta Cheetah or SIG-Sauer? (updated 8/4/10) ==&lt;br /&gt;
I've added some pics and it looks more like a SIG.  Mack also mentions in the episode that she's carrying a .45 instead of 9mm. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UnitS4 004.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UnitS4 6109.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UnitS4 6110.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Look at the last pic. Thats a SIG for sure. Looks like Jack Bauers SIG from the first few seasons of 24. &lt;br /&gt;
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What does this look like? Cause someone say it's a Cheetah. Cause it looks like a USP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks like a Beretta Cheetah in the cap and looked like one last time I watched the episode (which wasn't that long ago). It's too round and curvy to be a USP, which is square and blocky. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Then we have a continuity error in the dialogue. In the same episode where she used this gun, Mack asked why is she using a .45 than a 9? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Either that or it's implying her back-up is a larger caliber than her primary (a choice which doesn't make sense to me, either). Maybe just a script error or a moment of miscommunication between the armorer and director/writer/etc.? Heck, maybe the director just ''liked the Cheetah more''? Who knows really. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Her back up is a Derringer gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh yeah, now I remember. This scene is one of the more ridiculous ones in the show. Basically, Redcap empties her Cheetah into the soldier's body armor, kicks away his M4 but ignores the fact that the guy has a sidearm, drops the empty magazine from her gun with the guy staring straight up at her, then gets on the radio without reloading her gun first. I literally screamed &amp;quot;you idiot&amp;quot; at the TV. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was obviously on purpose for the script so she can bust out her back up. And about that episode, the rest of the unit had encountered at least 2 enemies with M4s and extra ammo, yet it never shows them picking up enemy weapons. They were running out during that last stand. That one bad guy's M4 would have been very useful right about then. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at the last pic. Thats a SIG for sure. Looks like Jack Bauers SIG from the first few seasons of 24.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, now that you mention it, it ''does'' look like a SIG. P245 maybe by the squared trigger guard? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Probably Hard Shots to find==&lt;br /&gt;
I only saw the first episode of this show and if memory serves me right, one guy went quail hunting with a pump shotgun (870 I believe) and then was held up by a man with a Mini-14 which I think had a 30 or 40 round magazine. Since the first episode isn't easy to find on the computer, I'm assuming this shot would be difficult to come by unless someone owns the first season on DVD. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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::That wasn't the first episode. It was another episode of the first season. I do remember that scene and will find shots of that eventually.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Saw another episode one day were everyone was holed up in this house and one guy outside was shooting at BGs with a Browning M2 mocked up as a DShK. Sorry I can't help further but I don't watch it enough to describe further. Lot of good shots of M4A1s too. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On the page, it said that Mack had a Kimber Warrior, can someone upload some pictures of that? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 19:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Televised pictures of the Kimber Warrior doesnt look like a real Warrior. First, there is no laynard loop on the bottom of the grip. Second, the finish on the nose is showing some silver, and the KimPro finish doesnt wear like that. Could the show actually use a TLE/RL or maybe a SWAT edition. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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TLE was used for a few seasons, then switched to the Warrior. Mack uses a normal 1911 most of the time in the newer seasons.&lt;br /&gt;
i do remember one episode. i dont recall the name, but i believe it was called &amp;quot;Stress&amp;quot;. the one were their in africa and find a terrorist. i think Hector had one. and so did Jonas. if at all possible, can someone please add a couple of them that Mack uses them? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The SWAT custom one doesn't have the rail for optics [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Size of pics ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not sure of the so called &amp;quot;format&amp;quot; of this site but I like the format of the M4 and MP5K section and how it's arranged and want to keep it that way. Also some pics are larger than others. The reason is that if they are smaller than 600 then they would look distorted. This didn't really happen in the old server. but for here I had to make them larger to they won't look so you can't seen any pixal on them. The larger size gives the photos smoother looks.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a mk 12 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If someone has a better name to call it, then correct it. Saying it isn't something else isn't helping in identifying what the sniper rifle is.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Eat your Hard Boiled out ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Unit section now beats even Hard Boiled with over 60+ guns counted&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nice work, now I can only say that Hard Boiled is the largest movie page. To be fair though, a T.V. show can grow, a movie stays still but anyway, great work.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, nice job. I honestly have to admit that I don't have the patience to do TV show pages just cause they tend to feature lots of guns over the course of several seasons (especially a weapons-heavy military show like ''[[The Unit]]''). Plus, I rarely buy entire seasons of TV shows.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Well It was hard to track down the previous season since links to them have poor connection. I had considered renting the DVDs. Either way, this show has an impressive array of firearms and it isn't stopping in what the Unit shoots next.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rearrange of Garand, Winchester, and SKS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Recently the SKS, M1 Garand and the Winchester 1886 was moved to &amp;quot;other weapons&amp;quot; because they don't fit either section of Assault rifle nor sniper rifle. Hence they would be placed in the same section as the musket rifle would be since they are dated weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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== That´s a L1A1 SLR ==&lt;br /&gt;
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judging by the handguards and the front sight,that´s a L1A1.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Two nit picks... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The derringer that Jonas carries in while wearing the tux looks like a High Standard Derringer.  These were double action, tip down, .22 magnum as opposed to the single action, tip up, .41 rimfire of the original Remington design.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the lever action noted as a Winchester 1886 looks more like a Marlin 336.  The 1886's bolt occupied most of the center of the upper reciever, while the Marlin has a round bolt with the ejection port on the right side of the reciever.  In the pic, you can see the silver, circular section right in front of the hammer, which is the bolt.&lt;br /&gt;
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Great site, thanks for all the trouble!&lt;br /&gt;
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==SU-16==&lt;br /&gt;
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The keltec su-16 page says one was used in the show and i dont see it here. Anyone know where it was used? -K9870&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't see an SU-16. Anyone know which episode this supposively have appeared in? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==R.I.P.==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just read over on Imdb that [[The Unit]] has been canceled by CBS. Bummer. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:From what I can see, the cancellation hasn't been decided on yet. But piss on CBS if they do. The Unit is the only show I look forward to every week. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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:CBS canceled Jericho and then they canceled The Unit. That network just sucks. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Tell me about it. Two of the best shows in CBS history right there and they're more concerned with &amp;quot;reality&amp;quot; shows like Survivor (which, BTW, are actually filmed on sound stages and not in tropical jungles and whatnot). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Need help ID'ing AR-15 Variant. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As seen here: [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/The_Unit#Unknown_AR-15.2FM4_Variant]]. I'm pretty sure it's not a HK416, M4, or CQBR. If I had to guess I'd say it's a Model 933, but I'm no expert on AR-15s. Any help would be much appreciated.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Looks like a 933 or equivalent to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess it is. Time for another update. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Optics w/ BUIS an anachronism?==&lt;br /&gt;
How is having BUISs on an optic-equipped weapon an anachronism when military and police commonly use said combo? Hell, even the Barrett 82 has BUISs. No offense to whoever made that statement, but it's gotta be one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever read. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wait, where is this said on the page? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Originally at the top of the Colt 933 section, but it's not there anymore. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Breaking up pages==&lt;br /&gt;
This page is getting too big to add any more items. I would like to break it up into different pages, creating new pages by weapons like the page is now and linking them to the original page.  Has anyone else already started this? [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:No offense, but screw that. Why break up a page just because it has too many guns? I mean have you seen Miami Vice? Mail Call? Hard boil? Those are pretty big pages too. I don't need to break up my page so that it is easier on your eyes. It's a waste of space and all it that pistol page has done was just waste space on the server. And what do you mean &amp;quot;too big to add anymore items?&amp;quot; There's no limit on how many guns you can put on a page as long as it has been shown on the show. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::However, Miami Vice was broken up into seasons because it took too long for the page to load or it crashed completely.  The Unit doesn't have that problem, so I don't see a need to break it up.  I do disagree about &amp;quot;there being no limit to adding to a page&amp;quot;.  the Miami Vice tv show is a prime example of a page getting so big it becomes unviewable to 99% of the potential users (unless someone has lightning fast internet connection and large RAM, which most people don't have.  But I have no problems loading the Unit page, so I was mystified by the breakup. MPM2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:If the Unit gets more seasons down the road with 10 times more guns, then I'll happily break it up. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Here's hoping someone wises up and gives us a couple more seasons. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Small size caps? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Who turned all my caps from my standard 500x to this small size? It's ungodly small for a page like this. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think the user thought that shrinking the thumbnails would speed up the loading time.  It doesn't.  The page still has to re-size whatever the size of the original image is.  Also IMFDB's standard is 500px or 600px (for ultra widescreen or high resolution shots).  Again we still need a rules page, to tell the new users what the page standards are. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Breaking up pages (cont.)==&lt;br /&gt;
If you go into the edit page, it gives a warning that the page is over 32kb and recommends that it should be broken up into different pages, but it looks like you want to keep it the way it is.  So go ahead and delete the page with just the pistols on it.  [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It's at 42kb. Not much larger than recommended. Miami Vice was at 93kb, before it was broken up. Season 1 and 2 are at 40kb apiece. Load time is not bad on The Unit. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Then I'll get rid of unnecessary gun caps. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Is the Season 4 DVD box art really necessary? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, because I put it up as a featured article. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==CM203 entry added==&lt;br /&gt;
I just got Season 4 on DVD, so I figured I'd jump at the chance and get caps of those Cobrays used in S4E7/8. I only took caps of them in episode 7, though, as I figured that was sufficient enough documentation for the article. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Like all armories for film and TV series, these would most likely be Cobray 37mm flare launchers that were designed to look like M203s. This is a common practice to have the appearance of 203s. It is unlikely any of the M203s seen in the series are real M203s.&lt;br /&gt;
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:While that could be the case, the second picture of Blane show that it is an M203, the the C37. But, with the advancement of m203s and RIS systems, a soldier could simply slide on an m203. So, it could also be an airsoft replica if its never fired. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The only episodes I recall seeing Cobrays in are S4E7/8. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC) Spartan198&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brixia 8mm Walther Blank Firing Pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the story. Jonas took 2 of these out as a hidden weapon that he kept within a rat trap. He handed on to is wife before he made a disappearing act. I guess in story it's supposed to resemble a Walther TP or TPH.&lt;br /&gt;
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''I don't know dude...these look a lot like the Walther PP or PPK to me.  If these images are from the episode I am thinking of (the finale of Season 1) my reaction, at the time, was &amp;quot;why is Joans carrying such a weak ass pistol as his sidearm???&amp;quot;.''&lt;br /&gt;
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''Nah, the Walthers don't have that little extra piece of metal extending from the trigger guard to the barrel. But, then again...''&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks like a Walther PSM. It's like a PPK but with an extended trigger guard. Hammer looks like it too. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
::''What is a Walther PSM? Did you mean Walther TP or TPH? PSM is a Russian pistol made by Izhevsk.&lt;br /&gt;
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::That is a '''Brixia 8mm Walther Blank Firing Pistol'''.  I just checked the lower image against the one I have. Brixia Arms used to make this type of blank gun about 10 years ago, but their quality was pretty bad.  There 'might' be some available, but the majority of the 8mm theatrical blank firing PPKs on the market now are made by '''Kimar''' or '''Voltran'''.  What tips it off, is the writing on the slide (it is identical to the markings on my Brixia Nickel plated Walther PPK theatrical blank gun) and the '''hole''' drilled in the top of the barrel (where the ejection port is).  This hole allows the flash from the blank round to fire '''upwards''' since the barrel is blocked. Also the magazine is a thin single stack type that only holds those skinny 8mm blank rounds. ____[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M60E4==&lt;br /&gt;
I put this pic here because I think it's copyrighted.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== number 3 biggest? ==&lt;br /&gt;
ok both this and stargate SG-1 page both say that they are the 3rd biggest --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Unit is number 3, by my count there are about 40 more weapons. It's also about twice the physical size (KB) if that matters at all. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 933 RIS? ==&lt;br /&gt;
What is this RIS?&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like DD Mk.18 RIS II but I'm not sure.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks more like a Yankee Hill rail. [http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/YHM-Lightweight-Tactical-Free-Float-Mid-Length-p/yhm-9634%20ff%20mid.htm]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown M16 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I've uploaded another screencap of the M16 Bob carries in &amp;quot;Natural Selection.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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It's hard to tell since Scott Foley's thumb is in the way, but it appears that this rifle does not have a brass deflector, which would mean that it is not a Model 715 as has been suggested. Is there any official designation for this weapon (A1 sights, no brass deflector, A2 handguards and heavy barrel profile) or is simply a frankengun?&lt;br /&gt;
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:None that I know of. I've never seen or heard of that configuration before. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's a Franken-rifle.  It has an A1 upper receiver, an SP1 lower receiver, and an A2 heavy barrel. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yeah, I'm gonna say frankengun, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Five Brothers ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the team have LAMs on their weapons in a 100% CQB op? when it would make more sense to have a tac-light? &lt;br /&gt;
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You mean the PEQs they got attached? Maybe the missions required them to use them when they get outside. Who knows, they do this all the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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that doesnt even make sense. Beruit- a very close quarters city. why would they possible need an AN-PEQ? their guns have 10.5 inch barrels it would make sense to have a surefire tac-light. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Into Hell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone find it odd how in Part-2 Mack and Grey didnt actually kill the Gunners. they like scared them off. they could have then went and not only confirmed their lack of an escape. but also confirm their Nationality? [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But how would the gunners know their nationality?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>24 - Season 4</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The following weapons were used in Season 4 of ''[[24]]'':&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:24Season4.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Season 4 (2005)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact]], chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, throughout episodes 5-24&lt;br /&gt;
of Season 4, in both sound suppressed and unsuppressed form. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-223357.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''personified''- Jack fires his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] at a terrorist during Secretary Heller's rescue in episode 6. (Note: There is no kick in the slide which probably means he is using blank ammunition.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-216881.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''about'' to be personified.  Jack loads up his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-198597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack reassembles his equipment including his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG Pro SP 2022===&lt;br /&gt;
Head of Field Ops Ronnie Lobell ([[Shawn Doyle]]) uses the [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]]. After he is killed in episode 2. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses this weapon when staging a robbery in episode 3, and when he rescues Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) (At the end of episode 5). Also used by Secretary of Defense Heller when covering Jack during the rescue operation in episode 6. Also used by Tony Almeida after he is brought into CTU.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72697.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ronnie aiming his [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] at Jack in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82032.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack takes Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] out of his pants in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-88579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at the Armored Car Services chart with Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-86739.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at a cell phone while holding people hostage at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-235059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) reloads Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] while covering Jack. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP (two-tone)===&lt;br /&gt;
Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) uses a two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] in episodes 1-4. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) with his two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|USP]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of episode 1, an assassin on a dirt bike derails a train and shoots a briefcase handler with a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] and takes his briefcase in episode 1. Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) uses a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] when killing all of Andrew Paiges ([[Lukas Haas]]) co-workers in episode 1. LAPD officers approach Richard Heller ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) with their standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 2. Several assassins use suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS's]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. Also some suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS's]] are captured and used by Jack when he's low on ammo in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55114.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dar shoots the briefcase handler with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-56763.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) aiming his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] at Melanie ([[Brittany Ishibashi]]) in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57858.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) looks for Andrew with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-65726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LAPD officers look for hostiles at Richard Hellers ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) house in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack check's the ammo on his captured suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274199.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack plans to pistol-whip the assassin's when he's out of ammo in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 19===&lt;br /&gt;
A CTU agent uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] at a dry cleaning store to capture Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in episode 1. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also gets a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] after knocking out a CTU guard in episode 1. Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) also uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] when taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage during Heller's rescue in episode 6. Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) uses a suppressed [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to kill Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55648.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A CTU agent holds Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) at gunpoint until Ronnie cuffs him in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-60588.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer shoots Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in the leg with a CTU guards [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-240798.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-250372.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) takes his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] out of his bag in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-252685.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq's ([[Rene Millan]]) plan backfires and Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) smacks the silencer off of his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===IMI Uzi===&lt;br /&gt;
During the kidnapping of Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) two terrorist's with [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi's]] shoot several Secret Service agents trying to get Heller in episode 1. Several [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi's]] are seen at Secretary Hellers Rescue by approximately 5 terrorist in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-63405.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist shoots Secret Service agents with his [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243154.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine kicking a [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]] away in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Steyr SPP===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] (converted to automatic fire) was used in episode 1 by a kidnapper. A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] is used in episode 6 by a terrorist at Secretary Heller holding location. One of the assassins uses a [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-236377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist falls dead with his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] in his hand in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273953.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An assassin shoots his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] at Jack and Audrey in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Accuracy International AWP===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] to kill two terrorists before they kill Andrew Paige ([[Lukas Haas]]) in episode 3. In episode 8, a sniper on a roof shoots Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) in the chest and all that is seen is a straight rifle barrel. It could have been a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1]] because of the straight smooth barrel but is very unlikely because of how rare this weapon is seen in movies, so I identified it as a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AWP.gif|thumb|none|300px|[[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-78424.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79386.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of Jack aiming his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-286560.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sniper leaves the roof only showing a possible [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] since it has been used in episode 3, this was filmed in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686===&lt;br /&gt;
Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) to clean up his dirty mess by killing his girlfriend Debbie Pendleton ([[Leighton Meester]]) with a 3&amp;quot; stainless steel [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] in episode 4 &amp;amp; 5. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:S&amp;amp;W686Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] (6 shot cylinder) 3&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180409.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) pulls the drawer out and reveals the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] with a 3&amp;quot; barrel in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son desperately to pick up the gun before his father finds out the truth about Debbie's death in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mossberg 500===&lt;br /&gt;
A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Deputy uses a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] when responding to a hostage situation at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 .12 gauge]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186027.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186577.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at the tube indicates it's a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun|Mossberg]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-189987.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-190153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles are seen being wielded by terrorist in episodes 2, 4, and 6 so far. Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) himself kills 2 terrorists with one while trying to escape in episode 4.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]], stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-66801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist guards the complex with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92282.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) cocks a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-225634.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist turns a wrong corner with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] before being shot by Jack in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-233307.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack firing at terrorist with a underfold [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506===&lt;br /&gt;
Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) was supposed to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] but was interrupted and saved by Jack Bauer doing a rescue operation in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:S&amp;amp;W4506.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229384.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) gives the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] to the executor in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229436.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) about to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M26/M67 Hand Grenade===&lt;br /&gt;
Terrorist and Marines throw two types of hand grenades during Heller's rescue in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M26 hand grenade|M26]] HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M67 hand grenade|M69]] training grenade - an inert version of the [[M67 hand grenade|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-232468.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist throws a [[M26 hand grenade|M26]] at Jack and Heller in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M4A1 Carbine===&lt;br /&gt;
US Marines use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] with Foregrips, M68 Aimpoint scopes, AN/PEQ2A Laser Aiming Modules, and Tactical Lights in episode 6. Also, Chloe O'Brian uses the M4A1 to defend herself against one of Marwan's hitmen in episode 19.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4A1 Carbine]] with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238886.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine with his [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238954.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A couple Marines breach in a room with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] at the ready in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239944.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marines taking cover from a [[M67 hand grenade]] with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chloe O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle at one of Marwan's henchmen in episode 19.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle with a grimace.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M16A4 Assault Rifle===&lt;br /&gt;
Marines can be seen securing the area and shooting terrorist with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle's]] in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle]] with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-242790.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine Marksmen shoots a hostage taker of Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) after being stabbed in the leg by Audrey. And some other Marines with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifles]] in the background in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is another weapon used by the CTU field ops team.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlights can be seen in episode 7 at the CTU weapons center when Audrey and Jack are talking. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] 9mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-256801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack and Audrey talk with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] on a gun rack in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 0958.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is seen while Tony talks to agent Castle in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 20===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack gets a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] from another dead officer and after making a call, he hands it to Audrey telling her to space out her shots and conserve ammunition in episode 7. A closer look at the barrel looks like a 10mm [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]. It's also surprising that Audrey keeps her eyes open the whole time with out blinking. (must be the adrenaline)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock20.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-263570.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack tells Audrey to &amp;quot;Space out your shots and conserve ammunition&amp;quot; with a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273980.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Audrey aims her [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
One of the assassins uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KN]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274160.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274216.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin aims at Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 9000S===&lt;br /&gt;
Tony uses a [[Beretta 9000S]] to save Jack and Audrey at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Beretta 9000.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 9000S]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Beretta 9000S]] at Felsted Security in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Two Tone Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] to threaten to kill his pilot if he does not fly his helicopter in episode 8. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Beretta two tone-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-285030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) threatens to kill his pilot with his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-284998.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close shot of Henry's [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 17===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is seen by many CTU teams and terrorists. Navi Araz ([[Nestor Serrano]]) uses a sound suppressed 2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to hunt down his son and wife throughout episodes 8 and 10. Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) gets a hold of the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] and kills his father in episode 10. Curtis Manning ([[Roger Cross]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his standard issue sidearm throughout the season. Habib Marwan ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] as his standard sidearm throughout the season. Also used by Tony when he arrives back at CTU after being held hostage by Mandy.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 009.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Navi aims his suppressed [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his son in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08342.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Behrooz holds the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at Jack in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08932.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Curtis surrenders his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to the mercenaries in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 093428.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Agent Castle breaches a door with his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 083528.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Marwan takes out his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] when he sees trouble in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ruger Mini-14===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mossberg 590 Mariner===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Walther P99===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by David Conlon when he attempts to kill Jack Bauer and Paul Raines. He succeeds in shooting Paul Raines in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8p.m.).&lt;br /&gt;
Also used by Mandy in the final few episodes, most notably to kill Agent Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904===&lt;br /&gt;
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A suppressed [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]] is used by a woman in episode 14.&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG-Sauer P228===&lt;br /&gt;
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A two-tone, suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by a man in episode 14.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>24 - Season 4</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The following weapons were used in Season 4 of ''[[24]]'':&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:24Season4.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Season 4 (2005)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact]], chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, throughout episodes 5-24&lt;br /&gt;
of Season 4, in both sound suppressed and unsuppressed form. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-223357.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''personified''- Jack fires his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] at a terrorist during Secretary Heller's rescue in episode 6. (Note: There is no kick in the slide which probably means he is using blank ammunition.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-216881.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''about'' to be personified.  Jack loads up his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-198597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack reassembles his equipment including his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG Pro SP 2009===&lt;br /&gt;
Head of Field Ops Ronnie Lobell ([[Shawn Doyle]]) uses the [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]]. After he is killed in episode 2. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses this weapon when staging a robbery in episode 3, and when he rescues Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) (At the end of episode 5). Also used by Secretary of Defense Heller when covering Jack during the rescue operation in episode 6. Also used by Tony Almeida after he is brought into CTU.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72697.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ronnie aiming his [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] at Jack in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82032.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack takes Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] out of his pants in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-88579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at the Armored Car Services chart with Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-86739.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at a cell phone while holding people hostage at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-235059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) reloads Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] while covering Jack. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP (two-tone)===&lt;br /&gt;
Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) uses a two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] in episodes 1-4. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) with his two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|USP]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of episode 1, an assassin on a dirt bike derails a train and shoots a briefcase handler with a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] and takes his briefcase in episode 1. Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) uses a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] when killing all of Andrew Paiges ([[Lukas Haas]]) co-workers in episode 1. LAPD officers approach Richard Heller ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) with their standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 2. Several assassins use suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS's]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. Also some suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS's]] are captured and used by Jack when he's low on ammo in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55114.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dar shoots the briefcase handler with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-56763.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) aiming his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] at Melanie ([[Brittany Ishibashi]]) in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57858.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) looks for Andrew with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-65726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LAPD officers look for hostiles at Richard Hellers ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) house in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack check's the ammo on his captured suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274199.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack plans to pistol-whip the assassin's when he's out of ammo in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 19===&lt;br /&gt;
A CTU agent uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] at a dry cleaning store to capture Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in episode 1. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also gets a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] after knocking out a CTU guard in episode 1. Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) also uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] when taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage during Heller's rescue in episode 6. Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) uses a suppressed [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to kill Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55648.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A CTU agent holds Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) at gunpoint until Ronnie cuffs him in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-60588.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer shoots Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in the leg with a CTU guards [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-240798.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-250372.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) takes his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] out of his bag in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-252685.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq's ([[Rene Millan]]) plan backfires and Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) smacks the silencer off of his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===IMI Uzi===&lt;br /&gt;
During the kidnapping of Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) two terrorist's with [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi's]] shoot several Secret Service agents trying to get Heller in episode 1. Several [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi's]] are seen at Secretary Hellers Rescue by approximately 5 terrorist in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-63405.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist shoots Secret Service agents with his [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243154.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine kicking a [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]] away in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Steyr SPP===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] (converted to automatic fire) was used in episode 1 by a kidnapper. A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] is used in episode 6 by a terrorist at Secretary Heller holding location. One of the assassins uses a [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-236377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist falls dead with his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] in his hand in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273953.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An assassin shoots his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] at Jack and Audrey in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Accuracy International AWP===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] to kill two terrorists before they kill Andrew Paige ([[Lukas Haas]]) in episode 3. In episode 8, a sniper on a roof shoots Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) in the chest and all that is seen is a straight rifle barrel. It could have been a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1]] because of the straight smooth barrel but is very unlikely because of how rare this weapon is seen in movies, so I identified it as a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AWP.gif|thumb|none|300px|[[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-78424.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79386.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of Jack aiming his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-286560.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sniper leaves the roof only showing a possible [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] since it has been used in episode 3, this was filmed in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686===&lt;br /&gt;
Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) to clean up his dirty mess by killing his girlfriend Debbie Pendleton ([[Leighton Meester]]) with a 3&amp;quot; stainless steel [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] in episode 4 &amp;amp; 5. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:S&amp;amp;W686Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] (6 shot cylinder) 3&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180409.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) pulls the drawer out and reveals the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] with a 3&amp;quot; barrel in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son desperately to pick up the gun before his father finds out the truth about Debbie's death in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mossberg 500===&lt;br /&gt;
A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Deputy uses a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] when responding to a hostage situation at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 .12 gauge]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186027.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186577.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at the tube indicates it's a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun|Mossberg]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-189987.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-190153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles are seen being wielded by terrorist in episodes 2, 4, and 6 so far. Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) himself kills 2 terrorists with one while trying to escape in episode 4.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]], stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-66801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist guards the complex with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92282.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) cocks a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-225634.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist turns a wrong corner with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] before being shot by Jack in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-233307.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack firing at terrorist with a underfold [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506===&lt;br /&gt;
Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) was supposed to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] but was interrupted and saved by Jack Bauer doing a rescue operation in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:S&amp;amp;W4506.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229384.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) gives the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] to the executor in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229436.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) about to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M26/M67 Hand Grenade===&lt;br /&gt;
Terrorist and Marines throw two types of hand grenades during Heller's rescue in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M26 hand grenade|M26]] HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M67 hand grenade|M69]] training grenade - an inert version of the [[M67 hand grenade|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-232468.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist throws a [[M26 hand grenade|M26]] at Jack and Heller in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M4A1 Carbine===&lt;br /&gt;
US Marines use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] with Foregrips, M68 Aimpoint scopes, AN/PEQ2A Laser Aiming Modules, and Tactical Lights in episode 6. Also, Chloe O'Brian uses the M4A1 to defend herself against one of Marwan's hitmen in episode 19.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4A1 Carbine]] with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238886.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine with his [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238954.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A couple Marines breach in a room with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] at the ready in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239944.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marines taking cover from a [[M67 hand grenade]] with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chloe O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle at one of Marwan's henchmen in episode 19.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle with a grimace.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M16A4 Assault Rifle===&lt;br /&gt;
Marines can be seen securing the area and shooting terrorist with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle's]] in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle]] with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-242790.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine Marksmen shoots a hostage taker of Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) after being stabbed in the leg by Audrey. And some other Marines with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifles]] in the background in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is another weapon used by the CTU field ops team.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlights can be seen in episode 7 at the CTU weapons center when Audrey and Jack are talking. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] 9mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-256801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack and Audrey talk with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] on a gun rack in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 0958.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is seen while Tony talks to agent Castle in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 20===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack gets a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] from another dead officer and after making a call, he hands it to Audrey telling her to space out her shots and conserve ammunition in episode 7. A closer look at the barrel looks like a 10mm [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]. It's also surprising that Audrey keeps her eyes open the whole time with out blinking. (must be the adrenaline)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock20.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-263570.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack tells Audrey to &amp;quot;Space out your shots and conserve ammunition&amp;quot; with a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273980.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Audrey aims her [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
One of the assassins uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KN]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274160.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274216.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin aims at Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 9000S===&lt;br /&gt;
Tony uses a [[Beretta 9000S]] to save Jack and Audrey at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Beretta 9000.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 9000S]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Beretta 9000S]] at Felsted Security in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Two Tone Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] to threaten to kill his pilot if he does not fly his helicopter in episode 8. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Beretta two tone-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-285030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) threatens to kill his pilot with his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-284998.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close shot of Henry's [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 17===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is seen by many CTU teams and terrorists. Navi Araz ([[Nestor Serrano]]) uses a sound suppressed 2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to hunt down his son and wife throughout episodes 8 and 10. Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) gets a hold of the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] and kills his father in episode 10. Curtis Manning ([[Roger Cross]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his standard issue sidearm throughout the season. Habib Marwan ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] as his standard sidearm throughout the season. Also used by Tony when he arrives back at CTU after being held hostage by Mandy.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 009.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Navi aims his suppressed [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his son in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08342.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Behrooz holds the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at Jack in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08932.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Curtis surrenders his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to the mercenaries in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 093428.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Agent Castle breaches a door with his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 083528.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Marwan takes out his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] when he sees trouble in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ruger Mini-14===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Mossberg 590 Mariner===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Walther P99===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by David Conlon when he attempts to kill Jack Bauer and Paul Raines. He succeeds in shooting Paul Raines in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8p.m.).&lt;br /&gt;
Also used by Mandy in the final few episodes, most notably to kill Agent Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904===&lt;br /&gt;
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A suppressed [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]] is used by a woman in episode 14.&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG-Sauer P228===&lt;br /&gt;
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A two-tone, suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by a man in episode 14.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=24_-_Season_1&amp;diff=306705</id>
		<title>24 - Season 1</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-28T01:18:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* SIG-Sauer P228 &amp;amp; SIG-Sauer P229 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;(For Seasons 2-8, please see ''[[24]]'')&lt;br /&gt;
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In Season 1, CTU Agent Jack Bauer must stop a plot to assassinate presidential candidate David Palmer while his wife Teri frantically tries to locate the whereabouts of their daughter.   &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following guns were used in the first season of ''24'':'''  &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24Season1.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|24 - Season 1 (2001)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG-Sauer P228 &amp;amp; SIG-Sauer P229===&lt;br /&gt;
Counter-Terrorism Unit Agent Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) throughout Season 1 carries the [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] with a nickel-plated slide as his weapon of choice.  An interesting and well-known goof is that in several scenes, the gun changes from the [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] to a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P229|SIG-Sauer P229]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Two Tone Sig Sauer P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|Two Tone SIG-Sauer P228]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CTU Agent Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) pulls his SIG on Nina.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jack Bauer shoots Nina with a flak jacket with his Sig Sauer P228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the episode &amp;quot;6:00A.M. - 7:00A.M.&amp;quot;,  Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) shoots Nina Myers ([[Sarah Clarke]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] because he is being watched by Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) threatening to kill his family if he does not follow his orders. (Ira doesn't know that Nina has a vest on.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack threatens to kill Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his P229 if he does not take him to his kidnapped family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack threatens Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) with his (sound suppressed) P229 because he thinks he kidnapped his family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his gun at one of Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men but he gets a radio message and leaves during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack dodges a bullet from Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) Beretta 92FS and leaves him no choice to shoot and kill him during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1015.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Victor Drazen ([[Dennis Hopper]]) aims Jacks gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SIG-Sauer P226 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) when he realizes that there is a trap.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 017.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kevin Carrol's ([[Richard Burgi]]) gun is knocked away by Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Unknown pistol ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Andre Drazen during the prison raid and the docks shootout. It's also used by one of his henchmen.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Based on the rounded barrel top, I think it was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
CTU Director Richard Walsh ([[Michael O'Neill]]) uses a sound suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] when he is taking fire from Ira Gaines' well-trained assassins during the episode &amp;quot;1:00A.M. - 2:00A.M.&amp;quot;. This gun is also used by Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men about to execute the Bauer family during the episode &amp;quot;7:00A.M. - 8:00A.M.&amp;quot;, and the LAPD officers also carry it. Used by Ira Gaines to kill Dan. Eli's weapon, taken from him by Teri Bauer ([[Leslie Hope]]) during their attempted execution.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CTU Director Richard Walsh ([[Michael O'Neill]]) talks to Jack as he holds a suppressed Beretta 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The Bauers are threatened with execution.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bauers are threatened by Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men with [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] during &amp;quot;7:00A.M. - 8:00A.M.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Flashpaper Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
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A flashpaper non-gun version of the [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Teri Bauer ([[Leslie Hope]]) to shoot Eli.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With the camera being so close to the weapon, [[Leslie Hope]] as Teri Bauer prepares to fire the flashpaper Beretta.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jericho 941===&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Jericho 941]] is used by CTU Agent Tony Almeida ([[Carlos Bernard]]), but later it appears to switch into a Beretta or Taurus type pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941, 9mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony holding the Jericho 941.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle_2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony enters the bathroom, holding a Jericho 941.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle_3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony holds his Jericho 941 at Jamey's head while apprehending her.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Taurus PT92===&lt;br /&gt;
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Tony's pistol changes into either a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]] or a [[Taurus PT92]] when he kills Jovan Myovic.&lt;br /&gt;
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[Image:TaurusPT92AFSwBlack.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92AFS (Stainless) with Slimline Black Factory Grips - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Remington 870===&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Remington 870]] is seen in the police car in &amp;quot;3:00 AM to 4:00 AM&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]]‎&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington Cop Car 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The clearest available shot of the shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Remington 700 AICS===&lt;br /&gt;
An assassin takes target practice using a modified suppressed [[Remington Model 700#Remington 700PSS/700P|Remington 700PSS]] on a (Accuracy International Chassis System) AICS platform.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Remington Model 700#Remington 700PSS/700P|Remington 700PSS]] - .300 Win Magnum with Harris bipod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_005.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jonathon Matijevich cocks his rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Magnum Research Lone Eagle===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack is forced to assemble a Magnum Research Lone Eagle for the assassin to use on Palmer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_009.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jonathon Matijevich disguised as Martin Belkin aims the weapon at Palmer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M16A1===&lt;br /&gt;
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An [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifle is carried by at least one of Ira Gaines's henchmen, with A2 Variant style handguards.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A1 Rifle, with A2 style handguards. - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-S1-M16.JPG|thumb|600px|none|One of Ira Gaines' men carrying an M16A1 Rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cobray M11/9===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[MAC-10#CobrayM11/9|Cobray M11/9]] is used by Ira Gaines's henchmen, most notably Kevin Carrol.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M11_2.jpg|thumb|250px|none|The Cobray M11/9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 024.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kevin Carrol fires at Jack with his Cobray M11/9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KevinCarrolCobray.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kevin Carrol taking cover from Rick &amp;amp; Jack's fire with his Cobray M11/9 in hand.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Norinco Type 56===&lt;br /&gt;
A Chinese made [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is seen slung over the shoulder of one of Ira Gaines's henchmen. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 (Imported into the U.S. as the Norinco AKS-47 or AKS-47 Sporter) - 7.62x39mm. Rather than having the underfolder pig sticker Bayonet assembly, this has the standard Bayonet lug underneath the gas block as the AKM and later variants.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Gaines' men walks with a Norincorifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24 AKM 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Andre Drazen's men with his Norinco rifle in Jack Bauer's face.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==AKM==&lt;br /&gt;
[[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] rifles are used by Andre Drazen's men during the assault on the DOD Class 3 Detention Facility and at the docks.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24RandomAKM.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Ira Gaines' men with an AKM Rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Micro Uzi==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|IMI Micro Uzi]] is used by one of the guys helping Frank rip off the dealers, and some of Ira Gaines' other men. Oddly, the Micro Uzi appears to be on the table Dan's corpse was placed on, despite that his weapon was the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]]. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The IMI Micro Uzi, with 32 round 9x19mm magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Micro_UZI.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Frank's men holding the IMI Micro Uzi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Micro_UZI2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Frank's men checks his IMI Micro Uzi as Frank threatens Dan with Mossberg shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walther PPK==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Walther PPK]] is used by the female undercover cop doing the deal with Frank.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Walther_ppk2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The female undercover cop holding the Walther PPK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Walther_ppk3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barely visible Walther PPK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5906==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5906]] is used by the male undercover cop doing the deal with Frank.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]] is Dan's weapon which Rick later gives to Teri Bauer, but it malfunctions when Teri tries to use it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S%26W5904LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|250px|A late model [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RickKim5904.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen giving Kim Bauer a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Teri Bauer tries to shoot the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===IMI Uzi===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) grabs an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] during the rescue of Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M. Jack ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also uses an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] to set off a car explosion during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M. This SMG is also used by Andre Drazen's men. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi|IMI Uzi]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) returns fire with the Uzi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) &amp;amp; Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) dive from an explosion with an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] sitting next to them during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Norinco NDM-86 (chambered in .308)===&lt;br /&gt;
Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) hunts Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) through the woods at the compound with a [[SVD|Norinco NDM-86]] chambered for .308.  The Norinco NDM-86 is a Chinese-made clone of the Soviet [[SVD Dragunov|SVD]].  The squared off shape of the box magazine shows the chambering as being in .308 rather than the curved magazine for the rifle's original 7.62x54R cartridge. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:7653.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Norinco NDM-86]] 7.62mm x 51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) and Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) shoot the get away vehicle used by Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) goes hunting for Bauer armed with the Norinco NDM-86.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AR15===&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Teddy Hanlin ([[Kirk Baltz]]) shoots a suspect with a suppressed [[M16|AR-15]] 5.56mm rifle, because he is angry at Jack and knew Jack wanted the suspect alive.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Teddy Hanlin.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Teddy Hanlin ([[Kirk Baltz]]) uses a suppressed AR-15 to shoot a fleeing suspect.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2===&lt;br /&gt;
CTU tactical teams are carrying [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns during the rescue of Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family are rescued by CTU personnel armed with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 19 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]) kills Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19 9mm]] to tie up loose ends. Nina uses a silenced one when her cover is blown and she goes into the computer room.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e14f5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]) kills Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to tie up loose ends during 1:00P.M. - 2:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 17===&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Ted Paulson ([[Kevin Ramsey]]) draws his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] after knowing there's a security breach at the safe house during during 3:00P.M. - 4:00P.M. The assassin Jovan Myovic's USP switches into one of these when he's hiding behind a tree on the Bauer property. Jack also steals one from a Secret Service agent and later uses it during the rescue of his family.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Paulson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent Ted Paulson ([[Kevin Ramsey]]) draws his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] after knowing there's a security breach at the safe house during 3:00P.M. - 4:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack fires a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===XM177 Mock-ups===&lt;br /&gt;
Some type of [[M16A2]] carbine variant (probably the Model 725) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style flash suppressors installed. Used by Jack Bauer, Warden DeSalvo ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]), and some untrained civilians during the raid on the DOD Class 3 Detention Facility.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desalvo M4A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Warden DeSalvo ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]) seen carrying a mocked up XM177.]]&lt;br /&gt;
  I also noticed the guy standing to right of Jack in that image is armed with an MP5A3.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jack M4A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer watches the chopper carrying Victor Drazen descends, holding a mocked up XM177.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SA Vz.61 Skorpion===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]] machine pistols are used by at least one of Drazen's henchmen in final gunfight.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]], .32 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24Skorpion.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Drazen's henchman holding a [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) takes two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] pistols into the climactic gunfight with the Drazens during 11:00P.M. - 12:00A.M. and fires them akimbo for the majority of the fight, killing a Drazen henchman and Andre Drazen ([[Željko Ivanek]]) in this manner. After being wounded by Viktor Drazen ([[Dennis Hopper]]), Jack Bauer then kills him with his one remaining [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|USP]], emptying the magazine into his body. A common mistake is that when his is empty the slide stays locked in place and it clicks each time he pulls the trigger. &lt;br /&gt;
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A suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] was used by Jovan Myovic, an assassin working for the Drazens, whilst attempting to kill Teri Bauer. This pistol is also used by Ira Gaines' well-trained assassins during 1:00A.M. - 2:00A.M.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler_%26_Koch_USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] in 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1010.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jack holds his two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]]'s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1013.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jack with his two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] pistols during the Drazen shootout at the docks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jovan Myovic USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassin Jovan Myovic holding his supressed Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Saw VI</title>
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Glock]] pistol once again makes an appearance in the film as Detective Mark Hoffman's ([[Costas Mandylor]]) duty sidearm, it can also be seen being carried by Agent Erickson ([[Mark Rolston]]), and fired by Agent Perez ([[Athena Karkanis]]) when they discover Hoffman is behind the killings.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Beretta 92]] is briefly seen in a flashback from [[Saw III]] when Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]) shoots and kills Amanda.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
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In a flashback from [[Saw III]] Detective Eric Matthews' old duty sidearm is once again seen in the hands of Amanda ([[Shawnee Smith]]) being used to kill Lynn.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears that the two shot extension express model of the [[Remington 870]] is rigged up in a trap in the scene where William ([[Peter Outerbridge]]) must select whom from on the wheel of six people dies, four of the six must die. As the wheel turns William decides who lives or dies by either enduring pain himself to save two of his choice or not doing anything for the other four and when the person stops in front of the shotgun if William chooses to not do anything, the mechanism the shotgun is rigged to, aimed at them cycles the action and fires at them; killing them.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with Black Synthetic Furniture - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Double-Barrelled Shotgun==&lt;br /&gt;
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We see in a flashback sequence of Jigsaw/ John Kramer ([[Tobin Bell]]) confined to a wheel chair while Amanda pushes him holding the double-barrelled 12 Gauge shotgun from the glass box that killed the judge in [[Saw III]] as he, Hoffman, and Amanda set the trap up.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon hearing a disturbance in his office building late at night at seeing the shadow of a man with a gun, William ([[Peter Outerbridge]]) retrieves an unknown pistol from a drawer, He uses it to shoot the man which turns out to be a security guard just before he is ambushed from behind by the real assailant. The pistol looked to be a [[Glock]] of some model but it was dark. Anyone got a real ID? I was thinking Glock 17 or 22. &lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Saw series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw III]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw IV]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw V]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw VI]]''&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_V&amp;diff=306512</id>
		<title>Saw V</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_V&amp;diff=306512"/>
		<updated>2010-07-27T19:07:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 22 */&lt;/p&gt;
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{{noeffort}}&lt;br /&gt;
I'll hopefully be screencapping this, and the other films in the series this weekend. - [[User:Uzi870|Uzi870]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Strahm ([[Scott Patterson]]) carries this once more throughout the film. In the continuation of the previous film in the begining, he uses it to kill Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]). At the end, when he is trapped in the compactor room, he uses it to attempt to breach the glass coffin protecting Mark Hoffman ([[Costas Mandylor]]) before he is crushed to death. As before in Saw III, a sound error is made. In the compactor room scene, Strahm's [[Glock]] sounds as though it is suppressed when he fires it at the glass coffin. Hoffman ([[Costas Mandylor]]) also carries a [[Glock]] in the film as his duty sidearm.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eric Matthew's old sidearm is once again briefly seen in the hand's of Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]) just before he is shot by Agent Strahm in the begining.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Unknown Double-barrel 12 Gauge==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In a flashback, Jigsaw, ([[Tobin Bell]]) places Mark Hoffman ([[Costas Mandylor]]) in a trap after he stages a murder disguised as one of Jigsaw's traps. Hoffman is tied to a chair with ropes connected to the trigger of an Unknown Double-barrel 12 Gauge shotgun that is pointed at Hoffman's throat. After forcing Hoffman to explain himself, Jigsaw pulls one of the shotgun's triggers, but nothing happens. Jigsaw then pulls the shotgun away, and releases Hoffman, revealing that only the opposite chamber was loaded, and that the whole setup was a ploy to blackmail Hoffman into assisting Jigsaw in his future &amp;quot;games&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ruger GP-100==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In a flashback we once again see the [[Ruger GP100]] from the peephole trap in [[Saw II]] as Jigsaw ([[Tobin Bell]]) and Hoffman ([[Costas Mandylor]]) set it up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Saw series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw III]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw IV]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw V]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw VI]]''&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306510</id>
		<title>Saw IV</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306510"/>
		<updated>2010-07-27T19:06:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 27 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{noeffort}}&lt;br /&gt;
I'll hopefully be screencapping this, and the other films in the series this weekend. - [[User:Uzi870|Uzi870]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta M92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rigg ([[Lyriq Bent]]) is armed with a [[Beretta M92F]] throughout most of the film and uses it on multiple occasions including to shoot and kill Art at the end of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|385px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Strahm ([[Scott Patterson]]) carries this throughout the film and uses it to kill Jeff near the finale.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 26==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Perez ([[Athena Karkanis]]) is armed with this as her duty sidearm and draws it in the scene just before she is wounded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629 Classic==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Art ([[Justin Louis]]) has this [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629]] revolver with a full lug under the barrell amongst his stuff provided for him to complete his game he's forced into by Jigsaw. He uses it to threaten a detained Eric Matthews when he tries to fight the trap hes in which could kill Hoffman too, Art ends up giving the revolver and the one bullet provided to Eric Matthews ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) who uses it to shoot Rigg as he comes through the door, fatally wounding him. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smith_wesson3.jpg‎|none|thumb|450px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eric Matthew's old sidearm is seen in the hand's of Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]) just before he is fatally shot by Agent Strahm.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A2flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|385px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2 9mm with tactical flashlight mounted in foregrip]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Kock UMP 45==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|385px|H&amp;amp;K UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This assault rifle is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|385px|M4 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Saw series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw III]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw IV]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw V]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw VI]]''&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306509</id>
		<title>Saw IV</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306509"/>
		<updated>2010-07-27T19:06:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 27 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{noeffort}}&lt;br /&gt;
I'll hopefully be screencapping this, and the other films in the series this weekend. - [[User:Uzi870|Uzi870]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta M92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rigg ([[Lyriq Bent]]) is armed with a [[Beretta M92F]] throughout most of the film and uses it on multiple occasions including to shoot and kill Art at the end of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|385px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Strahm ([[Scott Patterson]]) carries this throughout the film and uses it to kill Jeff near the finale.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 27==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Perez ([[Athena Karkanis]]) is armed with this as her duty sidearm and draws it in the scene just before she is wounded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629 Classic==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Art ([[Justin Louis]]) has this [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629]] revolver with a full lug under the barrell amongst his stuff provided for him to complete his game he's forced into by Jigsaw. He uses it to threaten a detained Eric Matthews when he tries to fight the trap hes in which could kill Hoffman too, Art ends up giving the revolver and the one bullet provided to Eric Matthews ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) who uses it to shoot Rigg as he comes through the door, fatally wounding him. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smith_wesson3.jpg‎|none|thumb|450px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eric Matthew's old sidearm is seen in the hand's of Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]) just before he is fatally shot by Agent Strahm.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A2flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|385px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2 9mm with tactical flashlight mounted in foregrip]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Kock UMP 45==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|385px|H&amp;amp;K UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This assault rifle is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|385px|M4 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Saw series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw III]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw IV]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw V]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw VI]]''&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306508</id>
		<title>Saw IV</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Saw_IV&amp;diff=306508"/>
		<updated>2010-07-27T19:05:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 22 */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{noeffort}}&lt;br /&gt;
I'll hopefully be screencapping this, and the other films in the series this weekend. - [[User:Uzi870|Uzi870]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta M92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rigg ([[Lyriq Bent]]) is armed with a [[Beretta M92F]] throughout most of the film and uses it on multiple occasions including to shoot and kill Art at the end of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|385px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Strahm ([[Scott Patterson]]) carries this throughout the film and uses it to kill Jeff near the finale.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 27==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Perez ([[Athena Karkanis]]) is armed with a sub-compact [[Glock]] .40 caliber as her duty sidearm and draws it in the scene just before she is wounded.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G27.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 27 .40 S&amp;amp;W]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629 Classic==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Art ([[Justin Louis]]) has this [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 629]] revolver with a full lug under the barrell amongst his stuff provided for him to complete his game he's forced into by Jigsaw. He uses it to threaten a detained Eric Matthews when he tries to fight the trap hes in which could kill Hoffman too, Art ends up giving the revolver and the one bullet provided to Eric Matthews ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) who uses it to shoot Rigg as he comes through the door, fatally wounding him. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smith_wesson3.jpg‎|none|thumb|450px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eric Matthew's old sidearm is seen in the hand's of Jeff ([[Angus Macfadyen]]) just before he is fatally shot by Agent Strahm.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A2flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|385px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2 9mm with tactical flashlight mounted in foregrip]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Kock UMP 45==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This Smg is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|385px|H&amp;amp;K UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This assault rifle is seen in the hands of several SWAT team members in multiple scenes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|385px|M4 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Saw series'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw III]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw IV]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw V]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*''[[Saw VI]]''&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Live_Free_or_Die_Hard&amp;diff=305839</id>
		<title>Talk:Live Free or Die Hard</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Live_Free_or_Die_Hard&amp;diff=305839"/>
		<updated>2010-07-26T04:04:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Goofs?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone else notice that he fired off, what, how many magazines in Farrells house before running out of ammo, like ten, or what?&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe it was four mags, instead of 3 since he would have two in the pouch and one in the gun, so that was a mistake. What is more notable is how he fires close to 20 shots from each mag despite them only holding 7 shots each. Anyone notice how in the first film he managed to keep his Beretta loaded all the way to the end and here he wastes all his ammo in one firefight? If he had carried a &amp;quot;friend in need&amp;quot;, a backup gun, he likely wouldn't have been left defenseless in the apartment once his SIG ran dry. Last thing, in the theatrical edition he tells Farrell he destroyed the helicopter with the car because he was out of bullets but he tells Matt he has mags in the glove compartment when they leave his apartment. In the unrated version, they changed what he said and this error went away. &lt;br /&gt;
*** It could of been the 9mm p226 which holds 20 rounds per magazine.***&lt;br /&gt;
:A P226 holds 15 shots, not 20. And it has been confirmed as a P220 by the armorer of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Can't a person get a 20 round mag for a 226? Also, wouldn't a 220 have to be his off duty weapon? The NYPD only allows 9mm and 38's.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''I'd imagine they could, if one made such a magazine for that gun.  And as for what the NYPD allows, real life =/= this movie.  The gun's been long confirmed to be a P220R.  So, in the Die Hard universe, that's what he was issued or allowed to carry.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Also, in regards to what is permitted by NYPD, McClane as a senior detective (he has been on the force for decades) probably has more freedome in what he can carry than an average patrol officer.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Mauser currently made a 20 round magazine for the SIG P226 using super-new spring technology, but that's in 9mm. You can't fit 20 rounds of .45 ACP into a standard magazine and not have it extend way past the grip. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Regarding the &amp;quot;I was out of bullets&amp;quot; remark, I'm guessing that probably had nothing to do with how much ammo he fired. That was probably just for humor. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Who did it first - ''Die Hard'' or ''Lethal Weapon''?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not to say that you're wrong, but wouldn't the ''Lethal Weapon'' movies be just as much of an influence on the guns popularity in the US? I mean, ''Lethal Weapon'' came out a year before ''Die Hard'' and Mel Gibson and Danny Glover talk specifically about the the Beretta in the beginning. &amp;quot;9mm Beretta, 16 in the mag, one in the pipe,...&amp;quot;Danny Glover.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not that it really matters, but Glover said 15, not sixteen. It would be 16 total bullets, but only 15 in the mag. This would also be true in real life, as all 92 mags only hold 10, 15, 17, 18, or 20 rounds. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
I think both movies were equally influential in increasing the popularity of the 92FS. But, from my experience at least, Die Hard was the movie that made me want a 92FS from the age of 8 until I got one at 26.&lt;br /&gt;
::Hmmmmm. I already had several 92F pistols when I saw Die Hard in the theaters....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 09:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''OK, have at it.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 05:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:::Then there's the fact that by the time ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' came out, two ''[[A Better Tomorrow]]'' movies had already been released, both featuring the Beretta 92F prominently.  BTW, interesting story I heard...has anyone ever noticed that there aren't too many Berettas in movies made in the U.K. during the 1980s (such as the James Bond movies of the time)?  Apparently, this is because Bapty &amp;amp; Co.'s Beretta 92Fs and Taurus PT92s were rented out to so many Hong Kong productions in the '80s that they were never in inventory for use by domestic productions. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== F-35 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The STOVL version actually ''doesn't'' have an internal gun, it mounts it in a ventral pod like the Harrier. I still don't think it has two like the Harrier does, so the page is right about it being inaccurate on that front. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 19:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I actually know nothing about jets so I used all the information I could find on Wikipedia and IMDB. Hopefully I did a good job. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::You did pretty good. Got some things wrong though but who i am to judge? I don't know nothing about jets either. I'm more of a Army and Marines guy.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
well on like both of you i am a preaty big plane experet and some countries ( Canada norway and turky) but not USA are planeing to put two internal guns for a ground attack variant. --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 13:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Sad to see it Go==&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone else saddened by the loss of Mclanes old Beretta for this new film? I'm not knocking the SIG P226, but the Beretta is Mclanes iconic pistol, and it deserved more then just a we cameo. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:He actually uses a SIG P220, not a P226. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 01:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I would much rather see him use a P220 than his old, rattletrap Beretta-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 01:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think everyone knows you hate Beretta's, S&amp;amp;Wshooter. No need to keep going on and on about it. McClane started with a Beretta 92 he should have finished the series with one. It's basically like Dirty Harry not using a S&amp;amp;W Model 29. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 02:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Um..................he does. Have you seen the page??? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Is that a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:LFDH-BerettaPx4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, your profile says you hate SIGs, too. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh I totally forgot about that part. I don't hate SIGs as a whole, just how all the weight is at the top of the slide and that they are really fucking expensive (I'm '''BROKE''' and if I spend the amount that a SIG goes for, it'll be for a nice Smith and Wesson revolver-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;Part&amp;quot;?  He uses the PX4 Storm for half the damn movie!  How can you be an IMFDB member if you don't read the page?  Ugh...&lt;br /&gt;
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::Anyway, as for SIGs, the weight on the slide is a consequence of SIG stupidly switching to those cheaply and crudely CNC-milled slides on all their guns since 1996.  Earlier SIGs, like my West German stamped-slide P226, are much less top-heavy.  So, stick with the P228s and the older-model P220s and P226s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For whoever is pissed about me forgetting a part of a movie that I only saw once, shut up. As for the SIG discussion, I find that the P239 is a pretty nice gun, even though I haven't fired it, and their Hammerli pistol is an excellent target pistol-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 04:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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9x19mms and .38s are cute and all, but i prefer .45, particularily the MK23 [[SargeOverkill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::OMG, so you only saw the movie once; haven't you looked at this page? We've got 7 pics of the Beretta!! BTW, thanks for the info on the SIGs, MT2008. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I'm not &amp;quot;pissed&amp;quot;, sorry if I came across that way.  But I just think it's hilarious that you're on a site which identifies guns in movies, and you constantly complain about guns you hate on this site, and yet you take NO time to actually read the site that you post on.  You gotta admit it's hilarious.  But whatever. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's not that I didn't read the article, it's that I haven't read it in a month or so. I read every article that I see, so you are wrong- I do read the site I post on. I'm not going to hold your assumption against you, however, because you had no way of knowing that this is the third site I check whenever I go online-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 02:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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While I'm sad to see the Beretta go, since it's my favorite series of handguns (and I'm not particularly interested in getting into an argument over it), I do have to say that it was kinda cool that they had McClain acquire one of Beretta's latest pistols, as sort of a throwback to his original. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think the P220 could be the one choosen because Live free or Die is New hampshire's state motto and SIG pistols are made here.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Watch used==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at another site and discovered the brand of the watch, worn by Emerson. It is handmade in Switzerland and sells from $15,000.00 to $70,000.00, depending on options. That is quite a watch for a thug to have.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:LFDH-MP7A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Emerson points his Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 at McClane.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, quiet honestly, the watch is probably owned by the actor, and was just included in the movie because the actor was wearing it while they were shooting. I don't think they expected moviegoers to look up the kind of watch he was using.[[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not for a major motion picture.  The Props and Wardrobe department usually have everything for the actors, including their watches, ready so that an actor doesn't surprise everyone by showing up with a duct taped &amp;quot;hello kitty&amp;quot; watch.  ;)  Everything, down to the socks (but NOT the underwear) are usually provided by wardrobe (in BIG movies) because any delay caused by something weird that the actor wore from home, costs time and money.  Sure, an actor can request to have his own personal watch in a scene, but personal property is many times, not protected from loss by the production insurance if a prop watch is provided and rejected.    It can be either way, but usually major motion pictures provide everything so that if there is loss or damage, they have a BOX full of backup watches to slap on the actor for the sake of continuity. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::PS, as for the watch costing tons of $$, either they have a deal with the manufacturer to provide watches (like they do for James Bond Movies, tons of product placement on those films), or they use the tons of counterfeit or nonfunctioning watches available from prop houses. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I think I understand. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 19:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sticking Mags ==&lt;br /&gt;
Has anyone ever had the problem of sticking mags as shown in the movie, not just in a P220R, but in any gun.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any Chance at someone identifing what Brand/type of Shoulder Holster John uses? [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==PX4==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we know it was a 45? [[24guns]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;(For Seasons 2-8, please see ''[[24]]'')&lt;br /&gt;
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In Season 1, CTU Agent Jack Bauer must stop a plot to assassinate presidential candidate David Palmer while his wife Teri frantically tries to locate the whereabouts of their daughter.   &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following guns were used in the first season of ''24'':'''  &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24Season1.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|24 - Season 1 (2001)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===SIG-Sauer P228 &amp;amp; SIG-Sauer P229===&lt;br /&gt;
Counter-Terrorism Unit Agent Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) throughout Season 1 carries the [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] with a nickel-plated slide as his weapon of choice.  An interesting and well-known goof is that in several scenes, the gun changes from the [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] to a [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P229|SIG-Sauer P229]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Two Tone Sig Sauer P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|Two Tone SIG-Sauer P228]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CTU Agent Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) pulls his SIG on Nina.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jack Bauer shoots Nina with a flak jacket with his Sig Sauer P228.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the episode &amp;quot;6:00A.M. - 7:00A.M.&amp;quot;,  Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) shoots Nina Myers ([[Sarah Clarke]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer_P220_pistol_series#SIG_P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] because he is being watched by Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) threatening to kill his family if he does not follow his orders. (Ira doesn't know that Nina has a vest on.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack threatens to kill Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his P229 if he does not take him to his kidnapped family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack threatens Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) with his (sound suppressed) P229 because he thinks he kidnapped his family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his gun at one of Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men but he gets a radio message and leaves during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M. For some reason he has the sights above his eyes. not a good way to shoot someone accurately.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack dodges a bullet from Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) Beretta 92FS and leaves him no choice to shoot and kill him during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1015.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Victor Drazen ([[Dennis Hopper]]) aims Jacks gun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SIG-Sauer P226 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) when he realizes that there is a trap.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 017.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kevin Carrol's ([[Richard Burgi]]) gun is knocked away by Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Unknown pistol ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Used by Andre Drazen during the prison raid and the docks shootout. It's also used by one of his henchmen.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Based on the rounded barrel top, I think it was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
CTU Director Richard Walsh ([[Michael O'Neill]]) uses a sound suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] when he is taking fire from Ira Gaines' well-trained assassins during the episode &amp;quot;1:00A.M. - 2:00A.M.&amp;quot;. This gun is also used by Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men about to execute the Bauer family during the episode &amp;quot;7:00A.M. - 8:00A.M.&amp;quot;, and the LAPD officers also carry it. Used by Ira Gaines to kill Dan. Eli's weapon, taken from him by Teri Bauer ([[Leslie Hope]]) during their attempted execution.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CTU Director Richard Walsh ([[Michael O'Neill]]) talks to Jack as he holds a suppressed Beretta 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The Bauers are threatened with execution.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bauers are threatened by Ira Gaines' ([[Michael Massee]]) men with [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] during &amp;quot;7:00A.M. - 8:00A.M.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Flashpaper Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
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A flashpaper non-gun version of the [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by Teri Bauer ([[Leslie Hope]]) to shoot Eli.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|With the camera being so close to the weapon, [[Leslie Hope]] as Teri Bauer prepares to fire the flashpaper Beretta.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jericho 941===&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Jericho 941]] is used by CTU Agent Tony Almeida ([[Carlos Bernard]]), but later it appears to switch into a Beretta or Taurus type pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941, 9mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony holding the Jericho 941.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle_2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony enters the bathroom, holding a Jericho 941.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tony_Almeida_Baby_Eagle_3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Tony holds his Jericho 941 at Jamey's head while apprehending her.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Taurus PT92===&lt;br /&gt;
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Tony's pistol changes into either a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]] or a [[Taurus PT92]] when he kills Jovan Myovic.&lt;br /&gt;
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[Image:TaurusPT92AFSwBlack.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92AFS (Stainless) with Slimline Black Factory Grips - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Remington 870===&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Remington 870]] is seen in the police car in &amp;quot;3:00 AM to 4:00 AM&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]]‎&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington Cop Car 24.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The clearest available shot of the shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Remington 700 AICS===&lt;br /&gt;
An assassin takes target practice using a modified suppressed [[Remington Model 700#Remington 700PSS/700P|Remington 700PSS]] on a (Accuracy International Chassis System) AICS platform.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Remington Model 700#Remington 700PSS/700P|Remington 700PSS]] - .300 Win Magnum with Harris bipod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_005.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jonathon Matijevich cocks his rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Magnum Research Lone Eagle===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack is forced to assemble a Magnum Research Lone Eagle for the assassin to use on Palmer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_009.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jonathon Matijevich disguised as Martin Belkin aims the weapon at Palmer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===M16A1===&lt;br /&gt;
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An [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifle is carried by at least one of Ira Gaines's henchmen, with A2 Variant style handguards.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A1 Rifle, with A2 style handguards. - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-S1-M16.JPG|thumb|600px|none|One of Ira Gaines' men carrying an M16A1 Rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cobray M11/9===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[MAC-10#CobrayM11/9|Cobray M11/9]] is used by Ira Gaines's henchmen, most notably Kevin Carrol.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M11_2.jpg|thumb|250px|none|The Cobray M11/9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 024.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kevin Carrol fires at Jack with his Cobray M11/9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KevinCarrolCobray.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kevin Carrol taking cover from Rick &amp;amp; Jack's fire with his Cobray M11/9 in hand.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Norinco Type 56===&lt;br /&gt;
A Chinese made [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is seen slung over the shoulder of one of Ira Gaines's henchmen. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 (Imported into the U.S. as the Norinco AKS-47 or AKS-47 Sporter) - 7.62x39mm. Rather than having the underfolder pig sticker Bayonet assembly, this has the standard Bayonet lug underneath the gas block as the AKM and later variants.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Gaines' men walks with a Norincorifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24 AKM 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Andre Drazen's men with his Norinco rifle in Jack Bauer's face.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==AKM==&lt;br /&gt;
[[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] rifles are used by Andre Drazen's men during the assault on the DOD Class 3 Detention Facility and at the docks.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24RandomAKM.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Ira Gaines' men with an AKM Rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Micro Uzi==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|IMI Micro Uzi]] is used by one of the guys helping Frank rip off the dealers, and some of Ira Gaines' other men. Oddly, the Micro Uzi appears to be on the table Dan's corpse was placed on, despite that his weapon was the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]]. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The IMI Micro Uzi, with 32 round 9x19mm magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Micro_UZI.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Frank's men holding the IMI Micro Uzi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Micro_UZI2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Frank's men checks his IMI Micro Uzi as Frank threatens Dan with Mossberg shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walther PPK==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Walther PPK]] is used by the female undercover cop doing the deal with Frank.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Walther_ppk2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The female undercover cop holding the Walther PPK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24_S1_Walther_ppk3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barely visible Walther PPK.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5906==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5906]] is used by the male undercover cop doing the deal with Frank.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]] is Dan's weapon which Rick later gives to Teri Bauer, but it malfunctions when Teri tries to use it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S%26W5904LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|250px|A late model [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RickKim5904.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen giving Kim Bauer a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Teri Bauer tries to shoot the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===IMI Uzi===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) grabs an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] during the rescue of Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M. Jack ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also uses an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] to set off a car explosion during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M. This SMG is also used by Andre Drazen's men. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi|IMI Uzi]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) returns fire with the Uzi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Allen ([[Daniel Bess]]) &amp;amp; Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) dive from an explosion with an [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]] sitting next to them during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Norinco NDM-86 (chambered in .308)===&lt;br /&gt;
Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) hunts Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) through the woods at the compound with a [[SVD|Norinco NDM-86]] chambered for .308.  The Norinco NDM-86 is a Chinese-made clone of the Soviet [[SVD Dragunov|SVD]].  The squared off shape of the box magazine shows the chambering as being in .308 rather than the curved magazine for the rifle's original 7.62x54R cartridge. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:7653.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Norinco NDM-86]] 7.62mm x 51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e12f6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) and Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) shoot the get away vehicle used by Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) during 11:00A.M. - 12:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ira Gaines ([[Michael Massee]]) goes hunting for Bauer armed with the Norinco NDM-86.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===AR15===&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Teddy Hanlin ([[Kirk Baltz]]) shoots a suspect with a suppressed [[M16|AR-15]] 5.56mm rifle, because he is angry at Jack and knew Jack wanted the suspect alive.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Teddy Hanlin.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Teddy Hanlin ([[Kirk Baltz]]) uses a suppressed AR-15 to shoot a fleeing suspect.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2===&lt;br /&gt;
CTU tactical teams are carrying [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns during the rescue of Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e13f7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer's ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) family are rescued by CTU personnel armed with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns during 12:00P.M. - 1:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 19 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]) kills Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19 9mm]] to tie up loose ends. Nina uses a silenced one when her cover is blown and she goes into the computer room.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S1e14f5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alexis Drazen ([[Misha Collins]]) kills Kevin Carrol ([[Richard Burgi]]) with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to tie up loose ends during 1:00P.M. - 2:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Glock 17===&lt;br /&gt;
Agent Ted Paulson ([[Kevin Ramsey]]) draws his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] after knowing there's a security breach at the safe house during during 3:00P.M. - 4:00P.M. The assassin Jovan Myovic's USP switches into one of these when he's hiding behind a tree on the Bauer property. Jack also steals one from a Secret Service agent and later uses it during the rescue of his family.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Paulson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent Ted Paulson ([[Kevin Ramsey]]) draws his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] after knowing there's a security breach at the safe house during 3:00P.M. - 4:00P.M.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1 023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack fires a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===XM177 Mock-ups===&lt;br /&gt;
Some type of [[M16A2]] carbine variant (probably the Model 725) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style flash suppressors installed. Used by Jack Bauer, Warden DeSalvo ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]), and some untrained civilians during the raid on the DOD Class 3 Detention Facility.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desalvo M4A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Warden DeSalvo ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]) seen carrying a mocked up XM177.]]&lt;br /&gt;
  I also noticed the guy standing to right of Jack in that image is armed with an MP5A3.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jack M4A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer watches the chopper carrying Victor Drazen descends, holding a mocked up XM177.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===SA Vz.61 Skorpion===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]] machine pistols are used by at least one of Drazen's henchmen in final gunfight.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]], .32 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24Skorpion.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Drazen's henchman holding a [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) takes two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] pistols into the climactic gunfight with the Drazens during 11:00P.M. - 12:00A.M. and fires them akimbo for the majority of the fight, killing a Drazen henchman and Andre Drazen ([[Željko Ivanek]]) in this manner. After being wounded by Viktor Drazen ([[Dennis Hopper]]), Jack Bauer then kills him with his one remaining [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|USP]], emptying the magazine into his body. A common mistake is that when his is empty the slide stays locked in place and it clicks each time he pulls the trigger. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] was used by Jovan Myovic, an assassin working for the Drazens, whilst attempting to kill Teri Bauer. This pistol is also used by Ira Gaines' well-trained assassins during 1:00A.M. - 2:00A.M.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler_%26_Koch_USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] in 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1010.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jack holds his two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]]'s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24S1_1013.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jack with his two [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] pistols during the Drazen shootout at the docks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jovan Myovic USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassin Jovan Myovic holding his supressed Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:24_-_Season_1&amp;diff=304276</id>
		<title>Talk:24 - Season 1</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:24_-_Season_1&amp;diff=304276"/>
		<updated>2010-07-23T01:45:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Does anyone have a screencap of Tony rescuing Teri from the Serb assassin?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I do but they are pngs I'll post a link&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Dark_of_the_Moon&amp;diff=303482</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Dark_of_the_Moon&amp;diff=303482"/>
		<updated>2010-07-21T03:06:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Photos will be added soon. need to know how first if anybody knows properly&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to know where you got your information from.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Same here. Have you seen any videos or promotional photos? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some BTS stuff from random Joe's. http://transformers-3-movie-trailer.blogspot.com/ Shows Epps with a MagPul'd M4 and Glock, and someone with a modified AT4. Though I'm not sure where he's getting his. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
just look at the saved images i have on this group pls&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=249935032038&amp;amp;v=photos&amp;amp;ref=ts#!/photo_search.php?oid=249935032038&amp;amp;view=all&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i also want to say if the guns are wrong just change it or tell me what they are without any hassle ok?&lt;br /&gt;
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You need to realize that these IMFDB members are correct in questioning the legitimacy of any info which is not in the public realm (at least to their knowledge).  If you are accessing a pre-release copy or in your case, the production's facebook photo gallery, then IMFDB protocols require that you disclose in the actual page where ANY pre-release info or images came from.  They are not hassling you and you need to dial back your attitude a bit. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i don't mean now &lt;br /&gt;
i mean everytime i attempted to add or change anything on a page the amount of hassle that is given by users is not that friendly&lt;br /&gt;
i was just trying to prevent it from happening again i understand about image/news protocol don't worry&lt;br /&gt;
lol&lt;br /&gt;
i would do a smiley face but the colon is a space lol&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
:They've been doing filming a big battle scene here in chicago and from what i saw, most of the strike team guys have M4s. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Anyone know why Epps has orange stripes on his pants? -[[24guns|24guns]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Dark_of_the_Moon&amp;diff=303481</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Dark_of_the_Moon&amp;diff=303481"/>
		<updated>2010-07-21T03:06:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Photos will be added soon. need to know how first if anybody knows properly&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would like to know where you got your information from.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Same here. Have you seen any videos or promotional photos? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some BTS stuff from random Joe's. http://transformers-3-movie-trailer.blogspot.com/ Shows Epps with a MagPul'd M4 and Glock, and someone with a modified AT4. Though I'm not sure where he's getting his. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
just look at the saved images i have on this group pls&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=249935032038&amp;amp;v=photos&amp;amp;ref=ts#!/photo_search.php?oid=249935032038&amp;amp;view=all&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i also want to say if the guns are wrong just change it or tell me what they are without any hassle ok?&lt;br /&gt;
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You need to realize that these IMFDB members are correct in questioning the legitimacy of any info which is not in the public realm (at least to their knowledge).  If you are accessing a pre-release copy or in your case, the production's facebook photo gallery, then IMFDB protocols require that you disclose in the actual page where ANY pre-release info or images came from.  They are not hassling you and you need to dial back your attitude a bit. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i don't mean now &lt;br /&gt;
i mean everytime i attempted to add or change anything on a page the amount of hassle that is given by users is not that friendly&lt;br /&gt;
i was just trying to prevent it from happening again i understand about image/news protocol don't worry&lt;br /&gt;
lol&lt;br /&gt;
i would do a smiley face but the colon is a space lol&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
:They've been doing filming a big battle scene here in chicago and from what i saw, most of the strike team guys have M4s. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Anyone know why Epps has orange stripes on his pants? -[[24guns|24]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User:24guns&amp;diff=303073</id>
		<title>User:24guns</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User:24guns&amp;diff=303073"/>
		<updated>2010-07-20T04:16:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Guns I own */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Guns I own==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 19==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG Sauer P220 Compact==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 30==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kimber Warrior==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User:24guns&amp;diff=303072</id>
		<title>User:24guns</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User:24guns&amp;diff=303072"/>
		<updated>2010-07-20T04:15:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: New page: ==Guns I own==   ==Glock 19==   ==Glock 17==   ==SIG Sauer P220 Compact==  ==Glock 30==  ==Kimber Warrior==&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Guns I own==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 ==Glock 19==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 ==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 ==SIG Sauer P220 Compact==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 30==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Kimber Warrior==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=24_-_Season_4&amp;diff=298131</id>
		<title>24 - Season 4</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=24_-_Season_4&amp;diff=298131"/>
		<updated>2010-07-09T06:04:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* SIG Pro SP 2009 */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The following weapons were used in Season 4 of ''[[24]]'':&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24Season4.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Season 4 (2005)]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact]], chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, throughout episodes 5-24&lt;br /&gt;
of Season 4, in both sound suppressed and unsuppressed form. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-223357.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''personified''- Jack fires his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] at a terrorist during Secretary Heller's rescue in episode 6. (Note: There is no kick in the slide which probably means he is using blank ammunition.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-216881.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''about'' to be personified.  Jack loads up his suppressed [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-198597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack reassembles his equipment including his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/6/67/Screen_shot_2010-06-14_at_10.29.45_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/27/Screen_shot_2010-06-14_at_10.30.00_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===SIG Pro SP 2009===&lt;br /&gt;
Head of Field Ops Ronnie Lobell ([[Shawn Doyle]]) uses the [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]]. After he is killed in episode 2. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses this weapon when staging a robbery in episode 3, and when he rescues Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) (At the end of episode 5). Also used by Secretary of Defense Heller when covering Jack during the rescue operation in episode 6. Also used by Tony Almeida after he is brought into CTU.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72697.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ronnie aiming his [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] at Jack in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82032.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack takes Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] out of his pants in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-88579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at the Armored Car Services chart with Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-86739.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at a cell phone while holding people hostage at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-235059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) reloads Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]] while covering Jack. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP (two-tone)===&lt;br /&gt;
Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) uses a two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] in episodes 1-4. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) with his two-tone [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP|USP]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of episode 1, an assassin on a dirt bike derails a train and shoots a briefcase handler with a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] and takes his briefcase in episode 1. Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) uses a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] when killing all of Andrew Paiges ([[Lukas Haas]]) co-workers in episode 1. LAPD officers approach Richard Heller ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) with their standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 2. Several assassins use suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS's]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. Also some suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS's]] are captured and used by Jack when he's low on ammo in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55114.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dar shoots the briefcase handler with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-56763.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) aiming his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] at Melanie ([[Brittany Ishibashi]]) in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57858.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) looks for Andrew with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-65726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LAPD officers look for hostiles at Richard Hellers ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) house in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack check's the ammo on his captured suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274199.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack plans to pistol-whip the assassin's when he's out of ammo in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Glock 19===&lt;br /&gt;
A CTU agent uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] at a dry cleaning store to capture Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in episode 1. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also gets a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] after knocking out a CTU guard in episode 1. Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) also uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] when taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage during Heller's rescue in episode 6. Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) uses a suppressed [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to kill Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55648.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A CTU agent holds Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) at gunpoint until Ronnie cuffs him in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-60588.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer shoots Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in the leg with a CTU guards [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-240798.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-250372.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) takes his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] out of his bag in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-252685.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq's ([[Rene Millan]]) plan backfires and Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) smacks the silencer off of his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===IMI Uzi===&lt;br /&gt;
During the kidnapping of Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) two terrorist's with [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi's]] shoot several Secret Service agents trying to get Heller in episode 1. Several [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi's]] are seen at Secretary Hellers Rescue by approximately 5 terrorist in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-63405.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist shoots Secret Service agents with his [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in episode 1. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243154.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine kicking a [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]] away in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Steyr SPP===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] (converted to automatic fire) was used in episode 1 by a kidnapper. A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] is used in episode 6 by a terrorist at Secretary Heller holding location. One of the assassins uses a [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-236377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist falls dead with his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] in his hand in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273953.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An assassin shoots his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] at Jack and Audrey in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Accuracy International AWP===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] to kill two terrorists before they kill Andrew Paige ([[Lukas Haas]]) in episode 3. In episode 8, a sniper on a roof shoots Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) in the chest and all that is seen is a straight rifle barrel. It could have been a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1]] because of the straight smooth barrel but is very unlikely because of how rare this weapon is seen in movies, so I identified it as a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AWP.gif|thumb|none|300px|[[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-78424.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79386.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of Jack aiming his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-286560.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sniper leaves the roof only showing a possible [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] since it has been used in episode 3, this was filmed in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686===&lt;br /&gt;
Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) to clean up his dirty mess by killing his girlfriend Debbie Pendleton ([[Leighton Meester]]) with a 3&amp;quot; stainless steel [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] in episode 4 &amp;amp; 5. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W686Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] (6 shot cylinder) 3&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180409.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) pulls the drawer out and reveals the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 686|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 686]] with a 3&amp;quot; barrel in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son desperately to pick up the gun before his father finds out the truth about Debbie's death in episode 5. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mossberg 500===&lt;br /&gt;
A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Deputy uses a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] when responding to a hostage situation at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 .12 gauge]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186027.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at the &amp;quot;Mercury Mart&amp;quot; in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186577.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at the tube indicates it's a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun|Mossberg]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-189987.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-190153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===AKMS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles are seen being wielded by terrorist in episodes 2, 4, and 6 so far. Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) himself kills 2 terrorists with one while trying to escape in episode 4.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]], stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-66801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist guards the complex with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 2. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92282.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) cocks a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 4. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-225634.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist turns a wrong corner with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] before being shot by Jack in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-233307.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack firing at terrorist with a underfold [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506===&lt;br /&gt;
Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) was supposed to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] but was interrupted and saved by Jack Bauer doing a rescue operation in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W4506.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229384.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) gives the [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] to the executor in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229436.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) about to be executed with a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 4506]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===M26/M67 Hand Grenade===&lt;br /&gt;
Terrorist and Marines throw two types of hand grenades during Heller's rescue in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M26 hand grenade|M26]] HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M67 hand grenade|M69]] training grenade - an inert version of the [[M67 hand grenade|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-232468.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist throws a [[M26 hand grenade|M26]] at Jack and Heller in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===M4A1 Carbine===&lt;br /&gt;
US Marines use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] with Foregrips, M68 Aimpoint scopes, AN/PEQ2A Laser Aiming Modules, and Tactical Lights in episode 6. Also, Chloe O'Brian uses the M4A1 to defend herself against one of Marwan's hitmen in episode 19.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4A1 Carbine]] with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238886.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine with his [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238954.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A couple Marines breach in a room with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] at the ready in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239944.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marines taking cover from a [[M67 hand grenade]] with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chloe O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle at one of Marwan's henchmen in episode 19.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-obrian-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle with a grimace.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===M16A4 Assault Rifle===&lt;br /&gt;
Marines can be seen securing the area and shooting terrorist with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle's]] in episode 6. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle]] with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-242790.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine Marksmen shoots a hostage taker of Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) after being stabbed in the leg by Audrey. And some other Marines with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifles]] in the background in episode 6. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is another weapon used by the CTU field ops team.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlights can be seen in episode 7 at the CTU weapons center when Audrey and Jack are talking. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] 9mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-256801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack and Audrey talk with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2's]] on a gun rack in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 0958.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A2]] is seen while Tony talks to agent Castle in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Glock 20===&lt;br /&gt;
Jack gets a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] from another dead officer and after making a call, he hands it to Audrey telling her to space out her shots and conserve ammunition in episode 7. A closer look at the barrel looks like a 10mm [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]. It's also surprising that Audrey keeps her eyes open the whole time with out blinking. (must be the adrenaline)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock20.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-263570.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack tells Audrey to &amp;quot;Space out your shots and conserve ammunition&amp;quot; with a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273980.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Audrey aims her [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K===&lt;br /&gt;
One of the assassins uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KN]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274160.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274216.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin aims at Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Beretta 9000S===&lt;br /&gt;
Tony uses a [[Beretta 9000S]] to save Jack and Audrey at Felsted Security in episode 7. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta 9000.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 9000S]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Beretta 9000S]] at Felsted Security in episode 7. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Two Tone Beretta 92FS===&lt;br /&gt;
Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] to threaten to kill his pilot if he does not fly his helicopter in episode 8. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta two tone-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS 9mm]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-285030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) threatens to kill his pilot with his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Vlcsnap-284998.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close shot of Henry's [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Glock 17===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is seen by many CTU teams and terrorists. Navi Araz ([[Nestor Serrano]]) uses a sound suppressed 2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to hunt down his son and wife throughout episodes 8 and 10. Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) gets a hold of the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] and kills his father in episode 10. Curtis Manning ([[Roger Cross]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his standard issue sidearm throughout the season. Habib Marwan ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] as his standard sidearm throughout the season.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 009.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Navi aims his suppressed [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his son in episode 9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08342.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Behrooz holds the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at Jack in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 08932.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Curtis surrenders his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to the mercenaries in episode 10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 093428.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Agent Castle breaches a door with his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PDVD 083528.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Marwan takes out his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] when he sees trouble in episode 11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Ruger Mini-14===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mossberg 590 Mariner===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Walther P99===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Used by David Conlon when he attempts to kill Jack Bauer and Paul Raines. He succeeds in shooting Paul Raines in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8p.m.).&lt;br /&gt;
Also used by Mandy in the final few episodes, most notably to kill Agent Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A suppressed [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5904]] is used by a woman in episode 14.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===SIG-Sauer P228===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A two-tone, suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by a man in episode 14.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296688</id>
		<title>Brooklyn's Finest</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296688"/>
		<updated>2010-07-06T01:01:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* SIG-Sauer P220 */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;'''The following firearms appear in the 2010 film ''Brooklyn's Finest'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Brooklyn's Finest (2010)'']]&lt;br /&gt;
__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
Various NYPD officers as well as Sal Procida ([[Ethan Hawke]]) carry [[Glock 17]] pistols as their sidearms.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
-I beleve that in the shot above, Sal is actually carrying a 3rd Generation Glock 19. The frame seems some what too small for the full sized automatic glock.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Jericho 941==&lt;br /&gt;
Detective Clarance &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler uses a stainless [[Jericho 941]] as his personal sidearm. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Jericho 941 Stainless - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/db/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_6.08.25_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG-Sauer P220==&lt;br /&gt;
Clerence &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler ([[Don Cheadle]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG-Sauer P220|SIG-Sauer P220]] as his undercover sidearm.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF09.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Butler's SIG in his pants.  If you look closely, you can see it has the single-stack frame of the P220 (rather than the double-stack frame of the 226).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A promotional photo of Butler with his SIG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/57/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_6.08.41_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a4/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_9.07.08_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10==&lt;br /&gt;
Eddie ([[Richard Gere]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10]] as his main sidearm throughout the film. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A promotional photo of Eddie with his revolver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Doesn't look like a Model 10 to me--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 21:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-It is either the Heavy Barrel model 10 or a model 15. You can't see it clearly in this shot of the movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3==&lt;br /&gt;
NYPD ESU members are seen using the [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
An NYPD ESU member is seen with the [[M4A1]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF005.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Drama]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296659</id>
		<title>Brooklyn's Finest</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296659"/>
		<updated>2010-07-06T00:01:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* SIG-Sauer P220 */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;'''The following firearms appear in the 2010 film ''Brooklyn's Finest'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BFposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Brooklyn's Finest (2010)'']]&lt;br /&gt;
__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
Various NYPD officers as well as Sal Procida ([[Ethan Hawke]]) carry [[Glock 17]] pistols as their sidearms.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
-I beleve that in the shot above, Sal is actually carrying a 3rd Generation Glock 19. The frame seems some what too small for the full sized automatic glock.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Jericho 941==&lt;br /&gt;
Detective Clarance &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler uses a stainless [[Jericho 941]] as his personal sidearm. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Jericho 941 Stainless - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/db/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_6.08.25_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG-Sauer P220==&lt;br /&gt;
Clerence &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler ([[Don Cheadle]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG-Sauer P220|SIG-Sauer P220]] as his undercover sidearm.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF09.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Butler's SIG in his pants.  If you look closely, you can see it has the single-stack frame of the P220 (rather than the double-stack frame of the 226).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A promotional photo of Butler with his SIG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/57/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_6.08.41_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10==&lt;br /&gt;
Eddie ([[Richard Gere]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10]] as his main sidearm throughout the film. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A promotional photo of Eddie with his revolver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Doesn't look like a Model 10 to me--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 21:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-It is either the Heavy Barrel model 10 or a model 15. You can't see it clearly in this shot of the movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3==&lt;br /&gt;
NYPD ESU members are seen using the [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
An NYPD ESU member is seen with the [[M4A1]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF005.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Drama]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296657</id>
		<title>Brooklyn's Finest</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-06T00:00:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Jericho 941 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following firearms appear in the 2010 film ''Brooklyn's Finest'''&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BFposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Brooklyn's Finest (2010)'']]&lt;br /&gt;
__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
Various NYPD officers as well as Sal Procida ([[Ethan Hawke]]) carry [[Glock 17]] pistols as their sidearms.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
-I beleve that in the shot above, Sal is actually carrying a 3rd Generation Glock 19. The frame seems some what too small for the full sized automatic glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jericho 941==&lt;br /&gt;
Detective Clarance &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler uses a stainless [[Jericho 941]] as his personal sidearm. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Jericho 941 Stainless - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/db/Screen_shot_2010-07-05_at_6.08.25_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P220==&lt;br /&gt;
Clerence &amp;quot;Tango&amp;quot; Butler ([[Don Cheadle]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG-Sauer P220|SIG-Sauer P220]] as another sidearm in the film.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF09.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Butler's SIG in his pants.  If you look closely, you can see it has the single-stack frame of the P220 (rather than the double-stack frame of the 226).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A promotional photo of Butler with his SIG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10==&lt;br /&gt;
Eddie ([[Richard Gere]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10]] as his main sidearm throughout the film. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Finest1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A promotional photo of Eddie with his revolver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Doesn't look like a Model 10 to me--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 21:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-It is either the Heavy Barrel model 10 or a model 15. You can't see it clearly in this shot of the movie.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3==&lt;br /&gt;
NYPD ESU members are seen using the [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
An NYPD ESU member is seen with the [[M4A1]] rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BF005.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Drama]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Brooklyn%27s_Finest&amp;diff=296504</id>
		<title>Talk:Brooklyn's Finest</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-05T15:08:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;For fucks's sake, people! SPOILERS TO A MINIMUM!! '''''It's in the rules!!!'''''--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 06:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And who ever you are IP 75.18.203.92, learn to make a proper entry before you do so. I'm not cleaning up your mess for you.--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 06:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What spoilers?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Left_4_Dead&amp;diff=295500</id>
		<title>Left 4 Dead</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-03T01:12:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Springfield Armory M1911-A1 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Left4Dead Windows cover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Left 4 Dead (2008)]]__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following weapons appear in the game'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Springfield Armory M1911-A1==&lt;br /&gt;
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A 1911-A1, possibly based off the [[M1911 pistol series#Springfield Armory M1911 - A1|Springfield Armory M1911-A1]] Are the backup handgun for all human players. If a second one is obtained, they can be dual wielded Although the second one lacks a flashlight. &lt;br /&gt;
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These 1911s have 15-round magazines (even though the magazines being loaded into them are standard single-stack magazines that, at most, have 9 rounds in them) and never run out of ammo  (see screenshot below).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4D1911A1.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|The 1911A1 from the game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Left4dead1911a1.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Composite Shotgun==&lt;br /&gt;
The First Tier Pump action Shotgun used in Left 4 Dead is a fictional model that seems to be based off of the Remington 870, Ithaca 37 and the Winchester 1300. Francis uses this weapon in the intro cut-scene and during the game. The receiver has the fictional make of the shotgun named as &amp;quot;Renegade Rangemaster&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4DShotgun.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The composite shotgun used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4dsg.JPG|thumb|none|500px|When reloading you can see Renegrade Rangemaster on the reciver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Uzi==&lt;br /&gt;
A full-sized First Tier Uzi using a 50 round magazine (modeled after one using a 32 round clip) with a flashlight taped to its handguard. It's Louis' main weapon in the cinematics.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4DUzi.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The Uzi used in the game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4d uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4duzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M16A3==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] is a second tier weapon with a 50-round magazine (Modeled after an M16 with a standard 30 round magazine) and a flashlight clipped to it's barrel. &lt;br /&gt;
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The real M16A2 fires only in semi auto and 3-round bursts rather than full auto -- It's the A3 that's Full auto capable.  It's  Bill's main weapon in the intro cinematic, and both Bill and Louis will pick them up if they find them during the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4DM16.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The M16A2 used in the game. Note the rifle has M16A2 stamped on the lower reciver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4d m16.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4dm16.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4dm162.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Benelli M4 Super 90==&lt;br /&gt;
Another Second Tier weapon, The [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] has a 10-round magazine (even thought the real one only has a max capacity of 7) and a flashlight clipped in front of the handguard. Francis will use it whenever he finds one.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4Dauto.JPG|500px|thumb|none|The Benelli M4 used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4d m1014.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Ruger Mini-14|Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle]] is a second tier gun with a magazine capacity of 15 rounds. The stock design suggests that its a  pre-2005 model. Strangely enough, the Rifle combines the old, single-bladed front sight with a John Masen flashhider and the post-2005 aperture rear sight. It's Zoey's prefered gun in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4DMini14.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The Mini 14 used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4d mini14.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==GE M134 Minigun==&lt;br /&gt;
An M134 Minigun, mounted on a monopod and set up behind sandbags, is usually found at the end of a campaign. It shreds almost all infected to pieces in seconds.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite its multi-barrel operation design to prevent this, it overheats presumably for game balance reasons.  It appears to be rendered with a 200-round ammo can which would last it all of 4 seconds in real life.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The spade grips are mounted higher than normal in relation to the gun because they are attached to the same custom frame used for the Terminator 2 and Predator handheld Miniguns (minus the chainsaw grip/M60 handguard), rather than an actual Minigun mount.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4Dminigun.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|The GE M134 Minigun used in the game.  Note the y-shaped frame on the top of the weapon that is modelled after the custom frame from the hand held Stembridge Minigun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Molotov Cocktail==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Molotov Cocktail]]s can be used in the game. The result is a small portion of the floor is set on fire for a few seconds, lighting anything that wanders too close to the blast radius on fire.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Molotov_cocktail.png|thumb|none|400px|Molotov Cocktail used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pipe Bombs==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Pipe Bomb]] is the game's equivalent of a grenade. It is incredibly effective against basic zombies; they are attracted by its beeping noises and swarm to it, only to be wiped out en masse when it goes off. However, the Tank runs away from it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L4Dpipe.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Pipe bomb used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24guns</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:24_-_Season_8&amp;diff=294910</id>
		<title>Talk:24 - Season 8</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-01T20:29:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Taurus Judge, are you serious? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Bazahaev's shotgun ==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anybody know what kind of shotgun Sergei used on jack? it had a folding stock SPAS 12 style but the action  was all wrong. [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My guess is a Remington 870 with folding stock and extended magazine tube. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Folder with extended magazine tube - stock extended - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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No, I'm pretty sure it was a SPAS 12. For some reason, Bazahaev chose to cycle it manually. The episode is on Hulu right now if someone want to check it out. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:''I'm siding with Crazycrankle on this one.  The stock did look like it came off of a SPAS-12, but the rest of the gun looked nothing like a Spas to me.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I uploaded two screenshots I grabbed from Hulu. (I hope that's okay from a legal standpoint. If it's not, I apologize.)It's a bit dark, and the images are a bit blurry, but I'm not really sure anymore. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun1.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun2.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Notice the differences/similarities. Looks like a SPAS-12 stock, and a 870 everything else. The whole design of the SPAS-12 is rather unique in my mind, this looks rather generic. The images are rather low quality, apologies. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Franchi SPAS-12]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-8x08-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Weapon in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-8x08-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Weapon in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:24-8x08-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Weapon in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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...But ...That doesn't even look close to a SPAS-12 stock. It has neither the squared-off buttpad, nor the holes in the sides of the strut. It looks like a run-o'-the-mill 870 Police folding stock...--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Heh, I was looking at the top of the stock, not the sides. Oops, but oh well. Unmodified 870 folder it is. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, those shots are pretty clear. Well, that clinches it. Remington 870 it is. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
 Can somebody add those pictures to the article, secttion where he uses the gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sergei's guard ==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the guards that kidnapped Jack had what looked like an HK MP5k, but I never saw a paddle mag release so i'm thinking SP89 mocked up? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== S8 - 1am - 2am ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched this episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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A Small Pistol was hidden in a car along with a handcuff key.&lt;br /&gt;
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Saw a CTU Agent forced to give up his Glock, standard size model.&lt;br /&gt;
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Other CTU Agents carried what looked like M933 with foregrips and c-more sights.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like Terrorists were using a similar weapon to the M933.&lt;br /&gt;
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The small pistol; looks to be a PPK, and their not 933's, just standard M4's. Glock 17's appear to be CTU standard issue so it's safe to assume that's what it was. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since when do terrorists use M4s?, they look more like HK416s to me. If they were using M4s, there would have been a report of those assault rifles being stolen from police, FBI, SWAT, CTU etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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You think they care that much in this show?  This is the same show that had them tracking a nuclear missle only to lose it somewhere &amp;quot;in the mountains of iowa&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Coral Snake commandoes are basically a corrupt US army group and M4s were issued to them.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's not the point he's trying to make.&lt;br /&gt;
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Trivia: I think it was kinda bullcrap that Tarin Faroush manages to kill four NYPD ESU officers with a pistol even though they were wearing body armour. That is unless the pistol is loaded with armour piercing rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
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-The most reasonable reason explination is that contrary to popular belief as well SWAT teams don't wear the same level of body armour as Soldiers. Beyond the level of Kevlar that SWAT vests have, they do not carry ceramic ballistic plates seen in standered infantry body armour. Also the Caliber and type of bullet that Faroush had in his USP or MK23 plays a difference. Most Kevlar can stop 9mm holopoint rounds, but it is more difficult to stop 9mm rounds that are not holopoints such as FMJ rounds or Full Metal Jackets. Unlike holopoint rounds which mushrooms up on impact preventing any further penetration into the body, FMJ rounds continue to travel through the body untill it is slowed down after going through or punctering vital organs. That means FMJs will only slow down and maybe stop the round before it penetrates the lair of kevlar and enters the wearers body. Kevlar also has a hard time stoping .45 ACP rounds or anything beyond 9mm unless they have ceramic plates or more layers of Kevlar material.-[[User:Choi117|Choi117]]&lt;br /&gt;
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-Tarin takes down the three, and they go down instantly. Then his partner makes a few long range shots from the cab and somehow takes him out. Then at the docks jacks standard vest takes like 6 5.56mm rounds and hes still alive. Oh well, weve seen jack take down about 100 guys in bodyarmor with his pistol so far.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Television is not a good place to be shooting people in the head neither is the realism of how strong there Kevlar is or even where they got shot. Jack Bauer is the kind of guy that wears his body armor outside his clothing more visible then SWAT teams. Seems like ever since 24 has switched directors the realism levels have gone down. -[[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 23:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Can anyone do anything about the IP who keeps deleting things? 190.6.150.53=== &lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== H&amp;amp;K USP Compact ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone find it strange that the Informant came to Jack in EP1 with Jack's Signature USP?&lt;br /&gt;
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Jack discarded this weapon after it ran dry, and has since taken another one from CTU's Armory.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could anyone post some more pictures from the later episodes?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Okay for now? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hulu grabs are cool, right? In the legal sense? At least until the DVDs come out?--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Taurus Judge, are you serious?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jack has like a full mag in the USP and pulls this little snubby, just as an excuse to use it on screen. The judge sucks, as a gun it doesnt deserve a breath of life....&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Taurus Judge can fire .4410 shot shell rounds and .45 colt rounds it's not exactly a little snubby considering in has a 2 inch long cylinder but it's obvious that most audiences wouldn't know what round the gun fires or why he would use it. I think the new director of 24 &amp;quot;Michael Klick&amp;quot; sucks at weaponry I realized that Dana's suppressed SW99 jammed and was still firing in a split screen scene near the end of episode 20. -- [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 14:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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well also the new director threw realism to the wind, now pistols drop everyone in a single round, even people wearing body armor like a SWAT team. I also love how anybody but the main characters is useless in a fight&lt;br /&gt;
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TPTB missed a perfectly good chance to use the revolver when Jack was threatening to kill Dana if she didn't get the video from the safety deposit box. Instead of pressing the USP into her chest and threatening to pull the trigger, he should've pulled out the revolver, dumped out all but one round, and told her she'd get no more than five chances to say no to him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok he pulled out the Revolver cause of the bigger bullet it has would be better for the close quarter situation he was about to go in. So bro shut the fuck up.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jack always manages to get a USP compact lol==&lt;br /&gt;
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You notice that the guy who meets jack in the beginning brings him a USP compact, then there happens to be one usp sitting alone in the CTU armory, and when he hijacks the chopper later the agent escorting him convienently has a USP compact for him to steal.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also noticed in the entire series that most CTUs prefer a Glock or SIG, there's very little of them who use a Beretta, USP or Smith &amp;amp; Wesson.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another Gun is Dana's Smith &amp;amp; Wesson SW99. She uses one to escape from CTU, then has another SW99 suppressed in the safety deposit box. It's one of the flaws to 24 which is never explained.&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, the safety deposit box is easy, it's HER safety deposit box. She obviously has a preference for SW99s. I don't know why it'd have a suppressor already attached in the safety deposit box though. You'd think it'd be easier to sneak out of the bank without it attached. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Overused plot device?==&lt;br /&gt;
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And yet another highly trained agent/soldier falls for the old &amp;quot;I replaced the magazine in your pistol with an empty mag but you failed to notice&amp;quot; plot device.&amp;quot; Ugh. Just once, I'd like to see someone try that on TV and have the person catch it. &amp;quot;What the hell? Why did you hand me an empty gun?&amp;quot; --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole's gun was loaded with blank rounds or dud rounds, you can see them in the magazine, when Jack hands him one with live rounds, so there wouldn't be any weight discrepancies, Cole wouldn't really have any reason to check the gun, as he was trying to make them believe Jack took him hostage, and therefore wanted to keep the gun hidden.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 00:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I didn't see the blanks, but isn't it just as contrived for Jack to have a spare magazine (of a gun he's not equipped with) full of blanks? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 00:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It is quite absurd, just watched it again, and the mag is empty, it just looked like there was something in it.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 00:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If I were Jack I would have dissassembled the Glock and took out a minor part making the gun inoperable but the audience would probably want Jack handing over a magazine then a unfamiliar gun part. I myself would always do a brass check anytime I get a hold of a gun. -- [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 18:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok HKFan when in the fuck was he gonna take out the firing pin or something especially on a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't you think your reaction is somewhat over the top? You're acting like somebody just insulted your mother or somebody else equally important in your life. I'm pretty sure that imfdb also has a rule about flaming. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-um, not really a spoiler, it was in the preview for next weeks episode, iunless your one of the people who just use hulu....&lt;br /&gt;
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::That's not a spoiler, it's pretty clearly implied from the preview that Jack Bauer captures Logan after shooting up a convoy of cars. Don't believe me? watch the link: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymJrmCMJ_4&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded 24 8x22 promo]--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 04:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How is that not a spoiler?  It's information from an episode that hasn't aired, once you see or know about you can't go into the episode unaware because you've been SPOILED.  Who's to say everyone watches the previews?  When you watch a show on dvd you know what you see after it's over?  The credits, not a preview, because that's not a real part of the show, that's some extra shit thrown in for the television airing to maintain or get more ratings next week.  There's been many cases where a show's creators have disagreed with a preview that was aired for showing too much.  Just because you might have no self control and no problem with spoiling every surprise you can don't assume everyone else does the same.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's not a spoiler because it doesn't exactly reveal what the context of the character's actions are, nor what particularly was going to happen. Honestly, if you had watched episode 21, were you going to be very surprised that Jack was going after Logan? You must be annoyed by any sort of trailer then, because they always reveal all sorts of juicy moments-EXCEPT they are revealed without knowing the specific plot elements which in themselves may be surprising. Sure, previews sometimes spell out more plot information than they should, but a preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience. If we were to ever go by your reasoning, we should never post anything about upcoming shows or movies that we like, simply because they might &amp;quot;spoil&amp;quot; (putting it loosely) a scene that will happen, even if the circumstances leading up to it are completely different from what we expected. Get off your high horse and stop being so condescending- you did not have to tell me to f*ck off on something that any regular watcher of 24 will have expected given all the twists this season has offered.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sounds like a contradiction there to me.  Is it a part of the show or a part of the networks efforts to promote it?  And yeah, I don't care for trailers that show too much either.  Expecting something to happen and knowing it will are two different things.  In fact, expecting things to happen and something entirely different happening instead was what 24 was all about before it ended up just repeating the same handful of plot tropes and cliches repeatedly.  If I knew what was going to happen in the finale should I just spoil it for everyone because I just assume everyone else expects it to happen?&lt;br /&gt;
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== A conundrum ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, so the M14-type rifle that Tokarev used to shoot Renee Walker appeared again. Jack very specifically identified it as a Springfield M1A. I think it's safe to assume Jack, as a trained agent, would know his guns. (And yet still expect fellow agents to fall for the empty gun trick, but still.) Do we list it as a Springfield M1A? Because I'll be honest, I don't know for sure if it's an EBR, I just looked through the M14 page and the EBR came the closest. Someone has already implied that it's not. What do we go with? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I havent got round to this series yet, Im still only a few into 24 but as i was nosing at all the pretty guns I cant help but wonder why didnt Jack attach the M.A.S.S shotgun to the bottom of his Colt assult rifle. Its more practical, and on a purely personal visual level I think it looks much cooler too - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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More dramatic. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe he didn't have the tools to attach it with. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt M4A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon.  [[User:Chef Brian|''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#082567&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chef Brian'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Vrooom&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&amp;amp;K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.&lt;br /&gt;
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT&lt;br /&gt;
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK XM320 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lost and Damned Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
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It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
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How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because you're completely ignoring established precedent. Stop being a dumbass. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
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Well the &amp;quot;established precedent&amp;quot; is fucked up.&lt;br /&gt;
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==AK-47==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher.  I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.&lt;br /&gt;
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== About the Ithaca 37 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::In Far Cry 2, the Ithaca 37 ejects from side too.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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== AK vs M4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi.  Those shots are pretty damn awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.&lt;br /&gt;
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I would go for the M4 later in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==WTF?==&lt;br /&gt;
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3===&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .&lt;br /&gt;
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::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a &amp;quot;non player weapon&amp;quot; it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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on the official website it appears there will also be an Automag. the AA12 is ejecting green shotgun shells in the trailer, and is shown to be firing Frag12 rounds in the Weazel News special on gun crime in Liberty City.&lt;br /&gt;
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.44 AMT AUTOMAG&lt;br /&gt;
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ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter&lt;br /&gt;
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That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic&lt;br /&gt;
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In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the &amp;quot;Advanced Sniper&amp;quot; does not fire explosive round - Primevil&lt;br /&gt;
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony FN P90 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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yea its a suppressor more of a &amp;quot;thock&amp;quot; sound than anything -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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== old gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah the old adage of &amp;quot;I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets&amp;quot; (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&amp;amp;W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&amp;amp;W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&amp;amp;W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock issue==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock  a 17 because it is described as &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot; in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot;. Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be &amp;quot;AK-47s&amp;quot; as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as &amp;quot;M16&amp;quot;s or &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot;s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its &amp;quot;specification&amp;quot;. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&amp;amp;W 686+P-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&amp;amp;W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==removed weapon==&lt;br /&gt;
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on one of the trailers of the lost &amp;amp; damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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yea in my version all the &amp;quot;combat&amp;quot; shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)&lt;br /&gt;
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No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Names==&lt;br /&gt;
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. &amp;quot;''Assault'' SMG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' MG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' Sniper&amp;quot;...&lt;br /&gt;
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There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as &amp;quot;''snipers''&amp;quot;, it's like saying &amp;quot;drivers&amp;quot; when you mean &amp;quot;vehicles&amp;quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''?  Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Awesome page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream &amp;quot;Remington 1100 TAC4&amp;quot;. Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Shotguns aren't my specialty but I believe that thing on top of the barrel is called a &amp;quot;heat shield&amp;quot;, that is you are refering to something on the barrel like that of the old Winchester Trench Gun. Am I right? --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 14:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's not a heat shield. A heat shield is perforated sheet metal wrapped around the barrel. The thing I'm talking about, I can't remember what it's called, but it's function is to provide rigidity to the barrel. Revolvers have them too. - PersonOfInterest&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Dark_Blue_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=294087</id>
		<title>Dark Blue (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-29T18:01:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* SIG Sauer P226 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:DarkBluePoster1.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Dark Blue (TV Series) (2009-????)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DarkBlueCrew.jpg‎ |thumb|right|300px|The Crew of Dark Blue (Season One) (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Dean Bendis and several other men while robing a bank in the pilot episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.16.31 PM.png|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
* Carter Shaw carries a 9mm [[SIG Sauer P228]] pistol as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Springfield Armory TRP==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Carter switches to a .45 [[Springfield Armory TRP]] pistol with the black composite grips for the rest of the season.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SpringerTRP.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
* Dean Bendis carries a 9mm [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his duty weapon in the pilot episode, he also keeps another one in a locked box along with drugs and cash hidden under his floor boards seen notably in the 1st and 2nd episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.19.49 PM.png|thumb|500px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
Jamie Allen carries a 9mm [[Glock 17]] pistol as her duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG GSR==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Ty in the pilot episode as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SIG-GSR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG GSR - 45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG Sauer P226==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Dean Bendis starting in the 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler and Koch USP==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Ty to get an intruder out of his house in 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.22.09 PM.png|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Carter Shaw in the pilot episode while taking out some thugs Dean was under cover with. In the 3rd episode &amp;quot;Purity&amp;quot;, Dean uses one to bust a drug deal.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Pstlgrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with pistol grip - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.29.31 PM.png|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Benelli M Series Super 90==&lt;br /&gt;
* A Benelli M1 or M2. Seen with a tactical light and used by various characters including Carter&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BenelliM1Super90.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dragunov SVD==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the weapons that Carter used to stage a fake weapon transportation deal in the second to last episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Dark_Blue_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=294086</id>
		<title>Dark Blue (TV Series)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Dark_Blue_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=294086"/>
		<updated>2010-06-29T18:01:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 17 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:DarkBluePoster1.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Dark Blue (TV Series) (2009-????)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DarkBlueCrew.jpg‎ |thumb|right|300px|The Crew of Dark Blue (Season One) (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
__TOC__&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Dean Bendis and several other men while robing a bank in the pilot episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.16.31 PM.png|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
* Carter Shaw carries a 9mm [[SIG Sauer P228]] pistol as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Springfield Armory TRP==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Carter switches to a .45 [[Springfield Armory TRP]] pistol with the black composite grips for the rest of the season.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SpringerTRP.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
* Dean Bendis carries a 9mm [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his duty weapon in the pilot episode, he also keeps another one in a locked box along with drugs and cash hidden under his floor boards seen notably in the 1st and 2nd episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.19.49 PM.png|thumb|500px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
Jamie Allen carries a 9mm [[Glock 17]] pistol as her duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG GSR==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Ty in the pilot episode as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SIG-GSR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG GSR - 45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG Sauer P226==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Dean Bendis starting in the 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 1.51.32 PM.png|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler and Koch USP==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Ty to get an intruder out of his house in 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.22.09 PM.png|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Carter Shaw in the pilot episode while taking out some thugs Dean was under cover with. In the 3rd episode &amp;quot;Purity&amp;quot;, Dean uses one to bust a drug deal.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Pstlgrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with pistol grip - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-28 at 12.29.31 PM.png|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Benelli M Series Super 90==&lt;br /&gt;
* A Benelli M1 or M2. Seen with a tactical light and used by various characters including Carter&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BenelliM1Super90.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Dragunov SVD==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the weapons that Carter used to stage a fake weapon transportation deal in the second to last episode.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Television]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Dark_Blue_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=293849</id>
		<title>Talk:Dark Blue (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-29T05:39:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;When placing screenshots in the page, please use the proper formatting.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Links are just as well and for some reason adding pictures doesn't work for me.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Auto_IV&amp;diff=293722</id>
		<title>Grand Theft Auto IV</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-29T02:05:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: Undo revision 293710 by PersonOfInterest (Talk)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17. Strangely, the front sight is a copy of the rear sights.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt M4A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''&lt;br /&gt;
(comment placed here so as to not clutter up the main article)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon.  [[User:Chef Brian|''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#082567&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chef Brian'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Vrooom&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&amp;amp;K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.&lt;br /&gt;
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT&lt;br /&gt;
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK XM320 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lost and Damned Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone got any new, good pictures of the new weapons from the Lost and Damned? If you have any, post them.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
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It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
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How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.&lt;br /&gt;
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==AK-47==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher.  I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone have any pictures of the Desert Eagle in gameplay?  If you have or get any, please post them.&lt;br /&gt;
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== About the Ithaca 37 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::In Far Cry 2, the Ithaca 37 ejects from side too.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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== AK vs M4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi.  Those shots are pretty damn awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.&lt;br /&gt;
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I would go for the M4 later in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==WTF?==&lt;br /&gt;
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3===&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with &amp;quot;tropical&amp;quot; (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko holds a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] in the beta version of the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a &amp;quot;non player weapon&amp;quot; it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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on the official website it appears there will also be an Automag. the AA12 is ejecting green shotgun shells in the trailer, and is shown to be firing Frag12 rounds in the Weazel News special on gun crime in Liberty City.&lt;br /&gt;
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ok just a complete list for people not looking at the main page for some reason? (feel free to correct it)&lt;br /&gt;
.44 AMT AUTOMAG&lt;br /&gt;
auto assault 12 shotgun (explosive rounds avalible too that are unrealistic)&lt;br /&gt;
FN P90 with suppressor&lt;br /&gt;
gold plated UZI &lt;br /&gt;
M249 SAW &lt;br /&gt;
and a DSR-1&lt;br /&gt;
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How are exploding shotgun shells unrealistic? the company that makes the AA12 makes them, they're called FRAG12 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
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ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter&lt;br /&gt;
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That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic&lt;br /&gt;
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In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the &amp;quot;Advanced Sniper&amp;quot; does not fire explosive round - Primevil&lt;br /&gt;
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony FN P90 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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yea its a suppressor more of a &amp;quot;thock&amp;quot; sound than anything -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a supressor, and it is not removeable, contrarey to the article - Primevil&lt;br /&gt;
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== old gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah the old adage of &amp;quot;I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets&amp;quot; (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&amp;amp;W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&amp;amp;W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&amp;amp;W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock issue==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock  a 17 because it is described as &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot; in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot;. Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be &amp;quot;AK-47s&amp;quot; as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as &amp;quot;M16&amp;quot;s or &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot;s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its &amp;quot;specification&amp;quot;. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&amp;amp;W 686+P-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&amp;amp;W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==removed weapon==&lt;br /&gt;
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on one of the trailers of the lost &amp;amp; damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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yea in my version all the &amp;quot;combat&amp;quot; shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)&lt;br /&gt;
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No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Names==&lt;br /&gt;
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. &amp;quot;''Assault'' SMG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' MG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' Sniper&amp;quot;...&lt;br /&gt;
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There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as &amp;quot;''snipers''&amp;quot;, it's like saying &amp;quot;drivers&amp;quot; when you mean &amp;quot;vehicles&amp;quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''?  Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Awesome page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream &amp;quot;Remington 1100 TAC4&amp;quot;. Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Grand Theft Auto IV</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* The Lost and Damned (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Grand Theft Auto IV</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 17 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Grand Theft Auto IV</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* Glock 17 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock_17.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Grand Theft Auto IV</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Grand Theft Auto IV'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
'''NOTE: The following article contains spoliers.'''[[Image:Gta-iv-boxart.png|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Grand Theft Auto IV =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Handguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Glock 17 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The standard handgun in Grand Theft Auto IV is a Glock 17. It is the standard issue police sidearm and is used by all law enforcement agents as well as many other characters throughout the game. Though it's difficult to discern this detail in-game, looking at the weapon's texture close up reveals the number &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, but then characters refer to it as a 9mm therefor we will refer to it as a Glock 17 as the caliber is the only difference betweena G22 and a G17.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock_17.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nikomadglockskillz.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The in-game Glock 17 clone]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Desert Eagle ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The .357 Magnum [[Desert Eagle]], called a 'Combat Pistol' in the game, is the more powerful handgun in GTA IV, and is used by a variety of characters throughout the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|350px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE Black (the one in game is chambered in .357 Magnum)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Deagle.png|thumb|400px|none|Combat Pistol]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4354-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims a Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;  === &lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Ithaca_37#Ithaca_37_.22Stakeout.22|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot;]], appears as the &amp;quot;Pump Shotgun&amp;quot;. It is used by various gang members and by some LCPD, N.O.O.S.E. and FIB officers. For some reason, the in-game clone has a side mounted ejection port, instead of a bottom loading/ejection port that all Ithaca 37 shotguns are fitted with in real life. Also, the in-game clone can hold 8 shells, four more than its real-life counterpart. Packie McReary uses one during the bank robbery in &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot; before switching to his AK47, Packie's friend Gordon King uses one during the mission &amp;quot;Waste Not Want Knots&amp;quot;. Biker vigilantes also use this.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:xxhardball.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Airsoft Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; replica nearly identical to the one used in the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Pump Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shortyshotty.jpg|none|400px|thumb|Ithaca 37 &amp;quot;Stakeout&amp;quot; in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 1100|Remington 1100 TAC 4]] semi-auto appears as the &amp;quot;Combat Shotgun&amp;quot;, it becomes available later in the game, and can be obtained from LCPD patrol cars despite the fact that the cops themselves actually use the Pump Shotgun when provoked. The in-game version can hold 10 shells, two more than it's real-life counterpart. It also has a fancy thumbhole stock, barrel ribbing, and a bayonet mount. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTA IV Combat Shotgun.jpg|none|430px|thumb|The Combat Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Submachine Guns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Micro Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Uzi#Micro_Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by many criminals in Liberty City. The weapon has a large magazine capacity of 50 rounds (even though the magazine's dimensions match those of a 32 round magazine) and a high rate of fire, but is somewhat lacking in accuracy and range. Jacob uses one twice in the game, first during the &amp;quot;Russian Revolution&amp;quot; level, and later brandishes one in the later levels of the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.png|thumb|none|400px|Micro-SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4457-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko showing us his Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:3357 gtaiv broker full auto.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Niko fires a Micro Uzi]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SW MP-10 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] is standard issue for LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams and is also used by some gang members. It has a smaller magazine capacity (30 rounds) than the Micro SMG, but is more accurate and has a somewhat longer effective range.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|350px|The MP-10]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp5 4.png|thumb|none|400px|SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sw-mp10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP-10 used in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1205334895screen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko fires the MP-10.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Assault Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AK-47 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[AK-47]] is used almost entirely by criminals in the City. This is NOT the AKM, as evidenced by lack of muzzle brake and the stock, which is angled downward compared to an AKM. It is seen many times throughout the game, provided in some missions and brandished by many different characters. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Type III AK-47]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ak47.png|thumb|400px|none|Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M4A1 Carbine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is issued to LCPD N.O.O.S.E teams, prison guards, and select officers guarding public places such as subway stations and the airport, and appears to have the carry handle removed and has only a stick-up rear sight. Niko uses an M4A1 when he helped the McReary gang rob the Bank of Liberty in the mission &amp;quot;Three Leaf Clover&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M4A1 with LE stock and factory grips. The carry handle with iron sights are removed in the game - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4.4.png|thumb|400px|none|Carbine Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sniper Rifles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 700 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The basic bolt action sniper rifle featured in the game is the [[Remington 700]]. It is used by the majority of marksmen in the game. The gun appears to have undergone slight customization, with a 10 round magazine fitted, yet only holds 5. Niko uses one in one level to cover Packie during a drug deal gone wrong, and later he uses one when he hits a construction site with Playboy X.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Remington 700 Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sniper 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4355-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko with a Remington 700]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The semi automatic sniper rifle is a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|PSG-1]]. Pinpoint accuracy, but very expensive in the game. Holds 10 rounds. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch PSG-1, 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Psg 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Combat Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4456-gta-iv-screenshot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Niko aims his H&amp;amp;K PSG-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heavy Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== RPG-7 ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[RPG-7]] is the only rocket launcher in the game. Niko uses it during several missions. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 rocket launcher, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rl_4.png‎|thumb|400px|none|Rocket Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpggta.jpg|none|thumb|400px|RPG-7 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miscellaneous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M26A1 Grenade ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M26 hand grenade]] has a 5 second fuse from pin release. After 3 seconds, an audible alarm beep is sounded. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE Frag hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenade 4.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Molotov Cocktails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Rudimentary spirit bottles with a rag. Set alight when equipped. Amusingly, Niko does not extinguish the rag before putting them inside his jacket when switching weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Molotov_4.png|thumb|400px|none|Molotov]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Lost and Damned'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta-iv-lost-and-damned.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In addition to the previous weapons.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== CZ 75 Automatic ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The game's version of this weapon is a [[CZ 75|CZ 75 Automatic]], the machine pistol version of the CZ 75 pistol. It holds 17 rounds, and is reffered to as an &amp;quot;Automatic 9mm&amp;quot;. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Bad Cop Drop&amp;quot;. It is very accurate, and has a very high firing rate, but it isn't that powerful. The game's Glock 22 even seems to do more damage than this pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|350px|none|CZ 75 Automatic 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Automatic9mm-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding a CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny firing his CZ 75 Automatic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GTAIVCZ75.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny aims his CZ 75 Automatic at an unknown target as Billy Grey watches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Remington 1100 TAC 4 ===&lt;br /&gt;
In &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;, there are two versions of this particular weapon avaliable. The first is the thumbhole stocked version from the original game (seen above) which is avaliable for purchase from Terry's gun van, and normal weapon shops. The second version is fitted with a carbine retractable stock, pistol grip, and picatinny rail. This version seems to be an easter egg, and has to be found in certain locations, such as the apartment building in the mission &amp;quot;Buyers Market&amp;quot;. This version also appears in one of the trailers. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:1100tac4-prod.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Remington Model 1100 TAC 4 - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CombatShotgun-TLAD.png|400px|thumb|none|Combat Shotgun seen in &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Sawn-off double barreled shotgun === &lt;br /&gt;
This sawed-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is called the &amp;quot;Sawed off Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game. It is the first weapon that you are equiped with at the start. It can be fired while riding on a Motorcycle, but can't be used in other types of vehicles. Reguardless, it is the only shotgun in the series so far that can be fired from a vehicle. Unlike the other shotguns in the game, this shotgun has an acurate ammo capacity, as it holds only two shells. On a bike, this weapon is very effective, as it can take down almost any target in no time. On foot, it has a very wide range, but a very slow firing rate due to it's small ammo capacity. A good weapon to have, but it can't compare to the game's Street Sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|350px|none|A sawed off shotgun used in the film The Untouchables, supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sawn-OffShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Sawn-off Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny shooting with his sawn-off shotgun while riding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBSG2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny holding his sawn-off shotgun while sliding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SWDBS3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny takes cover in an Angels of Death clubhouse with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:gta_lost_damned_achievement.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with a sawn-off shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper]] is called an &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in the game, but is also referred to as &amp;quot;Street Sweeper&amp;quot; by characters. It holds 8 shells, and is fully automatic, with an extremly high firing rate. It can dispatch of ememies,and vehicles in no time, and aparently has the ability to take down helicopters as well. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Heavy Toll&amp;quot;, but is notably used during the mission &amp;quot;Shifting Weight&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper with barrel extension removed; the location of the in-game version's foregrip suggests it is the full-size version with the barrel extension cut off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultShotgun-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L&amp;amp;DStriker.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The &amp;quot;Assault Shotgun&amp;quot; in-game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1340.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny destroys a police cruiser with his Assault Shotgun.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]] is called the &amp;quot;Grenade Launcher&amp;quot; in the game. It can be used to bounce grenades off walls, and corners in a similar fashion to the RPG. It is introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Action/Reaction&amp;quot;. It is very effective, but sometimes overshoots your intended target. Though it fires one grenade at a time, up to 20 can be held in reserve.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johnny with an HK69A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pipe Bombs===&lt;br /&gt;
Has basically the same attributes as grenades. Introduced in the mission &amp;quot;Hit the Pipe&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PipeBomb-TLAD.png|thumb|none|400px|Pipe Bomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:up-pipe_bomb.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Johhny tosses a bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''The Ballad of Gay Tony'' (Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content) =&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:gta_ballad_of_gay_tony.jpg|right|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AMP Auto Mag Model 180 ===&lt;br /&gt;
Called the &amp;quot;Pistol .44&amp;quot;, it still oddly shares ammo with the two other pistols. It's first obtained in the &amp;quot;Boulevard Baby&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HiStandard44AutomagMod180.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AMP Auto Mag Model 180 - .44 AMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pistol.44-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Pistol .44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== AA-12 ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[AA-12 (Auto Assault-12)|AA-12]] with a 20 round drum magazine. Called &amp;quot;Automatic Shotgun&amp;quot;, also available as &amp;quot;Explosive Shotgun&amp;quot; which as the name implies, fires explosive FRAG-12 rounds, identifiable by the green shells it ejects.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AA-12 (Auto Assault-12) with 8 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AutomaticShotgun-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Automatic Shotgun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-unknown.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AA-12 fired by Luis.  Notice the green-coloured FRAG-12 shell casing]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis stands in front of a Buzzard helicopter with an AA-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== FN P90 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90]], called &amp;quot;Assault SMG&amp;quot; is found early in the game. It is outfitted with a silencer and despite using the armor-piercing 5.7x28mm ammo in real life, it still shares ammo with the three other SMGs. It's the only SMG unable to be used in drive-bys.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AssaultSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Assault SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-TBOGT-P90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires an FN P90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-P90-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with a suppresed FNP90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== IMI Uzi ===&lt;br /&gt;
An [[IMI Uzi]] submachine gun with a golden finish, with the stock removed. Called &amp;quot;Gold SMG&amp;quot;, obtained from Yusuf Amir's car after finishing all of his missions.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GoldSMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Gold SMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gay-tony_screen_uzi.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Luis fires a golden Uzi from a motorcycle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== M249 SAW ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M249 SAW]], called &amp;quot;Advanced MG&amp;quot; is found mid-late in the game. Accurately holds 200 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn m249saw mk2 10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedMG-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced MG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-M249.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An [[M249 SAW]] is fired by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-M249-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis with an M249.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== DSR-1 ===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[DSR-precision GmbH DSR-1|DSR-1]] sniper rifle is first used in the mission &amp;quot;Caught with your Pants Down&amp;quot; to free an APC from a helicopter. It holds 10 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DSR-1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdvancedSniper-TBOGT.png|thumb|none|400px|Advanced Sniper]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IV-DSR1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A DSR-1 is wielded by a &amp;quot;terrorist expert&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-DSR1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luis aims a DSR-1 from a Swift helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher]], see above, is the only weapon returning from &amp;quot;The Lost and Damned&amp;quot; expansion pack.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK69A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GrenadeLauncher-TLAD.png|thumb|400px|none|Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Satchel Charges ===&lt;br /&gt;
Sachel Charges, called &amp;quot;Sticky Bombs&amp;quot;, are first used in the &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot; mission.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StickyBomb-TBOGT.png|thumb|400px|none|Satchel Charge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== GE M134 Minigun ===&lt;br /&gt;
Two [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen attached to the game's two attack helicopters, the Annihilator and the Buzzard.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BGT-AA12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GE M134 Minigun is seen attached to a Buzzard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User_talk:24guns&amp;diff=293524</id>
		<title>User talk:24guns</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-28T19:28:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24guns: /* No PNG's!  JPG's only */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Why are you getting rid of the picture of the [[SIG-Sauer P228]] from the ''[[Burn Notice]]'' page? We always put up the picture of the gun along with the screencaps, just like on the rest of the page (and all of our pages). -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cause it's not at all the screen accurate gun, the standard image for the SIG P228 and SIG P229 has completely wrong grips&lt;br /&gt;
Current one -http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b4/Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg/400px-Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Correct One -http://digitalsushi.com/midashi/website.mirrors/guns/world.guns.ru/handguns/sig-p228.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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If you would tell me how to add pictures (I'm new to the site) I'll put up the correct one on Burn Notice along with every other page I did this with.&lt;br /&gt;
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The images aren't required to be perfectly accurate, and unless you have something to replace it with, I'm sure page primaries would be far more pleased if you left them as they are/were. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 22:55, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The P228 in that picture is one of MoviePropMaster's guns.  Our rule is that you NEVER replace one of his pictures, because they're IMFDB's own.  Please read the rules; I've already had to correct a bunch of edits you made that are either in violation, or done inconsiderately. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==adding pics==&lt;br /&gt;
Look below. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:file name|thumb|none|500px|write text here]]&lt;br /&gt;
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you get:&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Screen shot 2010-06-14 at 10.09.14 PM.png|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Also jpg are preferred pic type. PNG's take too much space. Hope this helps.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks, I can upload them but every time I try to post them in the correct page it just comes up as a link.&lt;br /&gt;
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When you go to edit this, take whats in the [[]] brackets above, along with the brackets and put it in the 24 page. Then copy it over and over and change the image file name to the other pics you uploaded.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Please no PNG's. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When uploading your pics, please only JPG's as previously stated.   Please convert your PNG's to JPG's and reupload.   You can use a program like the &amp;quot;Faststone&amp;quot; Image Viewer or Microsoft Office Picture Manager to convert.  Thanks.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==RE: 24: Redemption==&lt;br /&gt;
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''MT2008 watch the scene again before you edit this when he put his hand in the box he is touching the CZ 52 but the next shot it's a Glock in his hands.''&lt;br /&gt;
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Next time, you put this on my Talk Page, just as I am doing now.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, since we do see him pick up the CZ 52 (but it becomes the Glock afterwards), then obviously, it's not accurate to say that he ''never'' picks it up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== No PNG's!  JPG's only ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You are still uploading your screenshots as PNG's!  JPG's only!   Also, when putting your screenshots into the page, do not hyperlink them.   The proper format is the following:&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:LOSVU 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]              Where it says &amp;quot;LOSVU 02.jpg&amp;quot;, insert the filename of your screenshot.   Please follow this.  Thanks.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you need photo bucket or something?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Law_%26_Order:_Special_Victims_Unit&amp;diff=293492</id>
		<title>Law &amp; Order: Special Victims Unit</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-28T17:49:22Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;'''The following guns were used in the television series ''Law &amp;amp; Order: Special Victims Unit'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Law &amp;amp; Order - Special Victims Unit.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Law &amp;amp; Order: Special Victims Unit (1999-Present)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 19==&lt;br /&gt;
2nd and 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock_19|Glock 19s]] are used by the majority of NYPD detectives in the Special Victims Unit including Detective Elliot Stabler ([[Christopher Meloni]]), Detective Olivia Benson ([[Mariska Hargitay]]), Detective (later Sergeant) John Munch ([[Richard Belzer]]), Detective Odafin &amp;quot;Fin&amp;quot; Tutuola ([[Ice-T]]), Detective Brian Cassidy ([[Dean Winters]]), Detective Chester Lake ([[Adam Beach]]), and Captain Donald Cragen ([[Dann Florek]]). Uniformed NYPD Officers and FBI Agents are seen using Glock 19s as well.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LOSVU 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's &amp;quot;Raw&amp;quot;, Detective Elliot Stabler ([[Christopher Meloni]]) opens fire with his Glock when someone pulls a gun in the courtroom.  All the guns fired in this episode appear to be non-guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LOSVU 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Detective John Munch ([[Richard Belzer]]) also draws his Glock when someone pulls a gun in the courtroom.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LOSVU 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI Special Agent Dana Lewis ([[Marcia Gay Harden]]) uses the Glock during the same gunfight while undercover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/cd/Screen_shot_2010-06-28_at_1.52.56_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG-Sauer P232==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Tony Degalio ([[Michael Luggio]]) (Season 3, Episode 19) to shoot Judge Thornburg.  Identified as a .380 semiautomatic, Det. Benson picks it up with a pen as evidence out of an abandoned van.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP232.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sig P232 - Stainless Steel finish -  .380 acp/9mm kurz.  Built between 1996-Present.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[SIG-Sauer P228]] is carried by Detective Olivia Benson ([[Mariska Hargitay]]) in the Season 10 Episode &amp;quot;PTSD&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm.  This is a really well worn movie blank adapted gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch P7M8==&lt;br /&gt;
A female serial killer in the episode &amp;quot;Chameleon&amp;quot; uses a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch P7 pistol series|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch P7M8]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P7M8Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|H&amp;amp;K P7M8 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Browning Hi-Power]] appears in the Season 9 Episode &amp;quot;Inconceivable&amp;quot;, being used by a man named Scott Ryland ([[Kevin Kane Jr.]]) to shoot James Grall ([[Mark Moses]]). It's later discovered at Ryland's apartment and identified as a &amp;quot;9mm Browning&amp;quot; by Det. Stabler.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power &amp;quot;Type 73&amp;quot; - 9x19mm. These Hi-Powers feature enlongated bushings different from Hi-Powers Made before 1973 and after the MK II Series.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 36==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 36]] is seen in the episode &amp;quot;Grief&amp;quot;, used by a victim to commit suicide with, and is identified as a &amp;quot;Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 36&amp;quot; by CSU.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 special - 5 shot.  First pattern with flat latch cylinder release.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ray Bevins ([[Joe Morton]]) uses a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946]] in the episode &amp;quot;Grief&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W5946.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 5946 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P220==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[SIG-Sauer P220]] appears in the episode &amp;quot;Signature&amp;quot;, and is seen used by FBI Agent Cooper ([[Erika Christensen]]).&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 Black - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/57/Screen_shot_2010-06-28_at_1.51.32_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3==&lt;br /&gt;
The NYPD ESU Officers throughout the series use [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]]s as one of their main weapons. They are fitted with various attachments, such as scopes or tactical flashlights.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with &amp;quot;tropical&amp;quot; (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt M4A1 Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
Some of the NYPD ESU Officers use [[M4A1 Carbine]]s throughout the series. They are fitted with various attachments.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ithaca 37==&lt;br /&gt;
An NYPD ESU Officer in &amp;quot;Signature&amp;quot; is seen carrying an [[Ithaca 37]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ithaca Model 37 riot version - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Dark_Blue_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=293458</id>
		<title>Dark Blue (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-28T16:38:35Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:DarkBluePoster1.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Dark Blue (TV Series) (2009-????)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DarkBlueCrew.jpg‎ |thumb|right|300px|The Crew of Dark Blue (Season One) (2009)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Dean Bendis and several other men while robing a bank in the pilot episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
* Carter Shaw carries a 9mm [[SIG Sauer P228]] pistol as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Springfield Armory TRP==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Carter switches to a .45 [[Springfield Armory TRP]] pistol with the black composite grips for the rest of the season.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SpringerTRP.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
* Dean Bendis carries a 9mm [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his duty weapon in the pilot episode, he also keeps another one in a locked box along with drugs and cash hidden under his floor boards seen notably in the 1st and 2nd episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
* Jamie Allen carries a 9mm [[Glock 17]] pistol as her duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imfdb.org/images/6/69/Screen_shot_2010-06-28_at_12.29.31_PM.png==Pistol Grip Shotgun (possibly a 870)==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Carter Shaw in the pilot episode while taking out some thugs Dean was under cover with.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Remington870Pstlgrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with pistol grip - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG GSR==&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by Ty in the pilot episode as his duty weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SIG-GSR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG GSR - 45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG Sauer P226==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Dean Bendis starting in the 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/39/Screen_shot_2010-06-28_at_12.14.53_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler and Koch USP==&lt;br /&gt;
Used by Ty to get an intruder out of his house in 2nd episode.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d7/Screen_shot_2010-06-28_at_12.22.09_PM.png&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
In the 3rd episode &amp;quot;Purity&amp;quot;, Dean uses one to bust a drug deal.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Benelli M Series Super 90==&lt;br /&gt;
* A Benelli M1 or M2. Seen with a tactical light and used by various characters including Carter&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BenelliM1Super90.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dragunov SVD==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the weapons that Carter used to stage a fake weapon transportation deal in the second to last episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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