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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* Shotgun video */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess it could appear in a flashbacks.But I really doubt it. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 11:30, 6 March 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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It sadly isn't but it's Brazilian Waxed cousin the Taurus PT92 is. - LaFarge&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unidentified guns==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AK47 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.&lt;br /&gt;
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Taurus PT92 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick &amp;quot;Charlie Bronson&amp;quot; (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::They're on both, actually. And I'll check the size of it in the final version, though Max's hands are pretty damn huge. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:52, 21 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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At one point, Max duct-tapes an empty bottle to the barrel of his PT92 as a make-shift silencer, should that be added to the page?[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 00:28, 19 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown Revolver ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Could be a Smith &amp;amp; Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :(  Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special;  either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926.  Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21.  It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips).  Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector).  Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight.  In fact, no &amp;quot;magnum&amp;quot; capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight.  The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame.  Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.&lt;br /&gt;
:My guess is a Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title &amp;quot;Heavy Duty&amp;quot;. It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the &amp;quot;High Velocity&amp;quot; .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44).  One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round.  Axel Kane, 11 May 2011&lt;br /&gt;
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I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in.  You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber.  This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20.  I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45.  There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however.  Axel Kane, 12 May 2011&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a &amp;quot;Pre Model 21&amp;quot;, different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip.  In any case, it appears to be one of the &amp;quot;Hand Ejector series&amp;quot;, characterized by an N frame, &amp;quot;pencil&amp;quot; barrel, half moon front sight, &amp;quot;duty&amp;quot;, or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt.  Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.&lt;br /&gt;
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The revolver is now listed as a Smith and Wesson Model 10.  I beg to differ.  There was never a Model 10 that was produced that had a shrouded ejector.  The closest to it would be to that is the &amp;quot;Heavy Duty&amp;quot; or the Model 20 (essentially the same thing).&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with you. The front sight also is not the type found on a Model 10 heavy barrel.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 17:39, 11 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock ==&lt;br /&gt;
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does it look like the G18 has a hammer on it? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Interestiing. :)&lt;br /&gt;
I think it's some sort of texture fail,or.. hm.That's definitely looks weird. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 16:17, 10 March 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown SMG ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]?  Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer &amp;quot;Going After the Girl&amp;quot;, and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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link to video&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955&lt;br /&gt;
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:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== unknown handgun ==&lt;br /&gt;
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gotta love the details ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc. &lt;br /&gt;
Valant Yeah, I have to say I am appauled by games (especially shooters) that still to this day dont show weapons cycling or even empty mags and shell casings drop to the floor. One of the coolest things back in the day with the original Max Payne games was to after a big shootout just counting the used brass from the Beretta's and Desert Eagles, empty shotgun shells and empty magazines from the M4. So cool&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is was a selling point of Max Payne 1 along with rendered bullets in real-time back in 2001--[[User:Mercury|Mercury]] 15:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Another unknown smg ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The gun appears under its Brazilian military name, so it's not a legal thing. Removing the foregrip and stock allows for it to be not only fired one-handed, but placed in Max's holsters like the other one-handed weapons. Anyone up to Photoshopping a pic of the Beretta to show its in-game appearance? [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 16:58, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yes, I figured out why the forward grip was removed, and actually posted my theory a while ago in the &amp;quot;MPK&amp;quot; discussion section below. M972 is just a military designation, not a brand name like Taurus or Beretta, so Rockstar are trying to avoid any legal/licensing issues, otherwise they would include the manufacturer's names for the in-game weapons. The funny thing is the foregrip doesn't have to be removed from the Beretta M12 for it to be a one-handed weapon. The M12 uses a telescoping bolt similiar to the type found in the Uzi, which makes it very well balanced, and easily fired one-handed. This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HadMx9O_N0g video] shows it being done, as does this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VDpKk9k6gk one](skip to 1:27 mark). Really the only reason the foregrip was removed was so it could fit into a shoulder holster, and I think the change makes it look like crap.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 18:46, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==&lt;br /&gt;
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not an FX-05. Compare: [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_80_yaznP3lM/TRWr1HUuwuI/AAAAAAAABIE/W8J9yP4U7mY/s1600/g36ccomparison.jpg/ G36] vs [http://i.imgur.com/XZxAC.jpg/ FX-05]. The &amp;quot;distinctive dual rows of gas vents&amp;quot; it's not enough reason to consider it a FX-05. BTW, the FX-05 has no dual row of gas vents. It's a single row of serpent-shaped vents.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is &amp;quot;G6&amp;quot;. A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I took another look, and the ejection port placement is totally wrong for the FX-05, it's like it's a G36 dressed up as one. Possible they based it on an Airsoft or some other replica which was just a G36 receiver with the furnishings swapped, as with those Airsoft Mk. 46s with STANAG wells. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:00, 18 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Taurus Revolver ==&lt;br /&gt;
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from &amp;quot;Raging Bull&amp;quot; to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.&lt;br /&gt;
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Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mini 30 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.[[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:56, 23 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Desert Eagle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think the handgun Max is holding in the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; page is a PT92. I'm pretty sure it is the Desert Eagle.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max with a MAC-11 and a PT92 AFS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:It used to be a picture of a MAC-11 and a PT-92, but warejaws uploaded a new version of it, turning it in to one of a Desert Eagle and Mini-Uzi.-protoAuthor 16:25, 6 March 2012 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MPK ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The submachine gun video on the site showed all the SMGs in the game. Is the MPK an MP5/40 or MP5/10?[[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:56, 23 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is no way to know which model the MPK is supposed to represent since Rockstar doesn't list the caliber of the weapon. Here is the link to the  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lld-njdeDLE Max Payne 3 SMG] trailer for those who haven't seen it. Nice to see the SAF is in the game, I was hoping it would be included. I hate the altered design of the Beretta Model 12 , I think it looks like crap. I do have a theory why the front grip was removed-- it's to allow the weapon to fit inside Max's shoulder holster. It's kind of a dumb idea, IMO. I think instead of making cosmetic changes to the guns, some kind of shoulder rig could have been used that allows the weapons to hang down by sling, but that probably would have been more difficult to render--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 20:39, 23 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think HK ever made 10mm or .40 versions in K form. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:20, 24 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Even though it's called &amp;quot;MPK&amp;quot; in the game it doesn't look like the MP5K, the weapon is modeled on the MP5/10 or MP5/40 as it has a straight magazine. Watch the SMG video and you will see what I mean.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 23:30, 24 March 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, there were straight magazines made for the 9mm MP5 too, so it could just be that.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:38, 6 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Except the magazines in the game are not the old &amp;quot;waffle&amp;quot; type, they look like the straight type used on the MP5/10 or the MP5/40, which is why I assume the MPK is based on one of those weapons. The 9mm straight magazines would be a strange choice since they are hardly used anymore, but since this is a video game we are talking about here, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the weapons possess questionable design elements.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:29, 6 April 2012 (CDT) &lt;br /&gt;
According to the new walkthrough video (posted below), the MPK has a 20-round magazine. Are the .40 and 10mm versions in 20 or 30 round capacities as standard? [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:55, 13 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The .40 &amp;amp; 10 mm magazines have a standard capacity of 30 rounds. The magazine in the game has the ''appearance'' of a 30 rounder. So this means the game designers screwed with the magazine capacity to make the weapon differ from the other SMGs, but never accurately rendered the mag to reflect this. Is there any indication what caliber round the &amp;quot;MPK&amp;quot; is chambered for in the game?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 13 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Difficult to say, as the walkthrough has been blocked until the official release tomorrow and the player never got close enough to the receiver to see if there were any markings.&lt;br /&gt;
::I've updated the article to indicate it as a plain &amp;quot;MP5&amp;quot; and noting the unusual position of the magazine release, as well as a picture of an MP5/40 and the possibility that it may be one of the high-caliber variants. It most certainly is not the waffle-type 9mm straight mags of the standard MP5, and the front magazine release and lack of a push button means that it's not an HK94 as was originally believed. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 16:54, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shotgun video ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A new [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BM-u_I5OsU Shotgun Video] is on Youtube. Any guesses as to what the Super Sport is based on? Perhaps the Remington 1187?&lt;br /&gt;
* That would be my guess. Other new guns are the SPAS-15, sawed-off shotguns (of course), and some kind of tactical Mossberg 500.&lt;br /&gt;
Isn't this a Benelli Super Sport (sportman model?) with M3 pistol grip stock? [[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 10:16, 17 August 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Walkthrough up early ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As usual, Game Anyone &amp;quot;reviewers&amp;quot; have gotten their hands on some early copies and are posting the entire game.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.gameanyone.com/video/461141&lt;br /&gt;
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Feel free to start checking our information with the real thing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 19:14, 13 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Got blocked by Rockstar as I finished watching part 3, they caught it quite easily :S -- Long Fallen 00:34, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, Rockstar ordered them to disable the walkthrough until tomorrow. But I could catch some bits. The PT92 (at least sometimes) appears to have an extended magazine. The MPK has a 20-round magazine. The Mossberg 500 has had what looks like a folding wire stock added. The HK21 appears with both a box (for unlimited ammo rail shooting on a speedboat early in the game) and with a drum (for the heavy soldiers with limited ammo). The PT92 appears in the speedboat level with a silencer and flashlight as your starting weapon. As a general note, the Euphoria physics really have been tweaked in a good way and the weapons have relatively realistic stopping power (the LPer picked up a .38 under the assumption that revolver = magnum and was confused by its lack of power). The game in general looks great and blends cinematic moments with the gameplay perfectly, to the point where the transition from cutscene to gameplay is marked by a reticule appearing in the middle of it. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 00:35, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, a picture of Neves given to Max at the beginning of Chapter 7 shows him with what looks like a full size G36. It's difficult to tell if it's a G36 or just an FX-05, however.&lt;br /&gt;
:Found a vid of someone going through the weapons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKBCkzcUeo&amp;amp;t=6m42s Sawn-off, G3-based sniper and a grenade launcher are the unaccounted ones.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 13:04, 14 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The sawed-off is already on there, as it was in the shotguns video. It's difficult to identify the FMP G35, and it almost looks like the proportions are off in that art of it. It doesn't have the cheek rest of a G3SG/1 or MSG90, so it may be a standard G3A3 with a scope. Can anyone ID the grenade launcher? Never seen any like it before. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It appears that in keeping with the common trope used in video games, ammunition for similar weapons is done on the basis of type rather than magazine OR caliber. It looks divided into pistol, rifle, and SMG ammo. So max can get PT92 ammo from a .38 or vice versa. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 01:01, 15 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:One of the enemies in Chapter 10 appears to have an M72 LAW that he uses to try and shoot at the bus. It may appear as a rocket launcher elsewhere and I've missed it, but the walkthrough vid gives a good slo-mo closeup of the gun. I'm having difficulties changing the file type to upload, so here it is on Tinypic http://i45.tinypic.com/2am4qe.png. As you'd expect, the RPG-7 makes several appearances as well. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 02:29, 15 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The grenade launcher appears to be a break-open design. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:06, 15 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the roughly 5 seconds that I had it ingame, I determined that the grenade launcher was a DefTech 37mm launcher. --[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 10:48, 19 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== FAL ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on the rear sight of the FAL in-game, I think that it is modeled off The Imbel LAR, which is the Brazilian FAL. [[http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as24/fal_imbel.jpg]] --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:55, 21 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That rear sight isn't unique to the Imbel version, though. AFAIK nothing about the Imbel M964 is unique to it, that's why I just labelled it as FN FAL. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:22, 21 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Need reloading/magazine/shell casing images==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Valant 2:38 P.M PST 6/12/12*&lt;br /&gt;
Hi there, I've been doing my best to help update the pages for this game (which I declare to be one of the best TPS's made), and since I dont have the capabilities (or intelligence) to do screen captures, I was wondering if someone could get some screen caps of the weapons reloading (preferably with each weapons action still open), images of empty magazines on the ground, and finally those of the shell casings left behind. There is a lot of detail in these weapons so a website like this deserves this to occur. Thank you so much and I hope that someone can pull this off!&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not necessary. These screenshots should suffice to give.--[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 16:46, 12 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Valant 4:02 P.M PST 6/12/12*&lt;br /&gt;
Reply: Mateogala&lt;br /&gt;
It's not a situation on necessity, but rather just the sheer appreciation to the level of detail. Just by looking at the ground after a shootout you can see exactly what type of weapons were being used because of the different shape and color of the shell casings and the magazines, can even be placed in the discussion section.&lt;br /&gt;
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I plan on getting a screenshot program hopefully sometime in April. If no one else uploads the mentioned screenshots then I will.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 18:20, 12 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ideas for DLC weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
*Valant 4:05 P.M PST 6/12/12&lt;br /&gt;
So I was thinking about this game and its possiblilty for DLC (which the options are essentially endless). Aside from adding missions and levels for the multiplayer, there are also areas in the main game in which side missions for either Max (maybe some extra missions leading up to the events in the New York flashbacks) and even the gangs and UFE/Police can add some missions in the campaign, but I wanted this section to be any new weapons that can be added. There is already a great list of weapons, but a few more cant hurt, here is one from each weapon class that I would recommend:&lt;br /&gt;
Pistol: HK VP70 or Beretta M93R (Or some other type of weapon locked in a burst fire capability)&lt;br /&gt;
Shotgun: O/A Double Barrel Shotgun (Fire one shell at a time, offers longest range of shotguns)&lt;br /&gt;
Assault Rifle: M4A1 (with removable carry handle and foregrip attachment as a throw back to original MP games)&lt;br /&gt;
These are just ones that I can come up with at the top of my head, what can you come up with? I was considering maybe even a &amp;quot;USA throw back&amp;quot; weapon pack, as most weapons are based out of Brazil and this would relate back to Max's routes.&lt;br /&gt;
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== .38 Revolver ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the .38 might actually be based off a S&amp;amp;W Model 20. It has an underbarrel lug that is more similar to the Model 20 than the Model 10.--[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:04, 12 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Smith&amp;amp;WessonModel20.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 20 - .38/44]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==RPG-7 &amp;amp; G3A3==&lt;br /&gt;
Available only in an online game. I have a game developer. Multiplayer is locked. I do not know how to add screenshots of the two arms. --[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 05:52, 14 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There's a bad guy right near the end of the game in the police station's training range (the wooden building interior mock-up part) who has a G3A3, up on a high platform. He sometimes drops it onto the ground when he dies. Can't recall if there's an RPG anywhere you can actually get to it, though if not you could probably get a shot of the bad guys who shoot at you when you're in the helicopter. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:06, 14 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I've looked all over and have never seen the RPG-7 anywhere in single player, just the golden parts.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 04:26, 14 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Golden Gun Discussion==&lt;br /&gt;
*Valant 10:32 A.M PST 6/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
So I have been noticing that there are a lot of images that are of the golden gun textures. I am happy that there are more images of the weapons, but I just wanted to know who out there really likes to have their guns look like that? No matter which game implements it I just hate the gold version of the guns. For tactical sake they are impractical, and just for looks they look like toys. Anyone have a comment?&lt;br /&gt;
:Same here.  Even though I collected all the golden guns and there's a significant ammo increase, I just turn off the golden gun in game...XD --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:18, 14 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Valant 11:33 A.M PST 6/14/12&lt;br /&gt;
@ Wildcards: Thanks! I don't get it why people think it is so bad ass to have their gun in all gold? ITS ALREADY COOL ENOUGH AS IT IS! Though I have to say that I wish you could disable some of the weapons's extended magazine alterations. Just me but it is weird when i see that tiny little bit extra stick out of the PT92 in his hands. Feels like a texture glitch.&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the golden textures. I only wish it was like how Rockstar did them in Red Dead Redemption, only the metal parts were gold. The grips and stocks and the like were still wood or whatever. I don't care for the &amp;quot;dipped gold&amp;quot; that has been in games lately [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:14, 14 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Valant 10:06 A.M PST 6/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
The golden guns look like air soft toys spray painted gold. Not trying to be a troll but I just cant stand it when I see videos of people playing online and they have them on.&lt;br /&gt;
:The problem is that they seem to have done the same thing the CoD games do, changing the light maps to make the gun uniformly reflective and forgetting some parts are supposed to be holes or in the shadow of other parts. The result looks like they've been repeatedly sprayed with about three cans of metallic paint. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:27, 27 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock 18c or Glock 17 ?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not a Glock 18c. Look at the screenshots.--[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 13:14, 15 June 2012 (CDT).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapon stats==&lt;br /&gt;
*Valant 11:26 A.M PST 6/15/12&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering if anyone could shed some insight on the differences between the weapons? The handguns are pretty simply (Ive been the one whose been adding them to the main page), but the assault rifles and the SMG's are complete loss to me. Can anyone shed some light on this?&lt;br /&gt;
: The differences are generally in capacity, power, and rate of fire. The FAL is the most powerful rifle but has a low rate of fire and holds 10 fewer rounds than the AK or G36. The MPK and SAF .40 are both higher caliber than the machine pistols and deal more power, but again have a lower rate of fire and are two-handed weapons (meaning they can't be dual-wielded and you need to drop them for dual-wielding). Generally, assume that the differences in real life apply to the game. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 21:43, 17 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;&amp;quot;Finished Article&amp;quot;&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&amp;quot;Finished Article&amp;quot;&amp;quot; --[[User:Mateogala|MTOOO]] 10:57, 17 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenades ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What about the grenades in MP? --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 07:06, 27 June 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== G36 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the dual rows of vent holes on the G36's handguard might be a result of the developers modeling the rifle after a G36 fitted with a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36]] and then they just decided not to have the GL in-game. If you look closely at the bottom of the handguard of the game's G36, there appears to be a couple of small holes which could be the attachment points for mounting a grenade sight on the AG36. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 23:39, 12 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Steyr AUG</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* AUG reload in Counter Strike */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Additional Images==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Aug m203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG (5.56x45mm) with [[M203|M203PI grenade launcher]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hbar.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG HBAR-T - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with prototype Steyr GL2 40mm grenade launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Steyr AUG A3 SF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 SF with 16-inch barrel and Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1Austeyr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88C with 16 inches barrel - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88A1C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Austeyr f88t 1-tfb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88T training rifle, a .22 calibre training version of the Austeyr F88S, with integral Picantinny rail, 20-inch barrel and standard 1.5 power optic - .22 LR]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:F90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thales F90 is a future replacement for the Australian F88 Austeyr. It can feature a ML40AUS 40x46 grenade launcher and a Trijicon TA44SR-10 1.5×16 ACOG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talk==&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a major problem on this page.  The AUG-A2 is not only different because of its capability to mount a Picatinny scope rail in place of the integrated scope.  It also varies in a minor detail concerning its charging handle.  On the A1, the handle was permenantly fixed at an angle, and in the A2 it could be folded to lie alongside the receiver.  A scope rail is nothing new, as the AUG had the option of mounting a NATO-standard sighting mount since it was introduced (as the AUG-T), the A2 just introduced an easier method of mounting.  This really needs to be rectified.  I am willing to do it but I would like to hear some confirmation before I change this.  Additionally, the AUG-A2 is also available with the integrated rifle scope.  See Steyr-Mannlicher's website: www.Steyr-Mannlicher.com.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==uhh wtf==&lt;br /&gt;
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is a F89 as far as i know the F88 is the only steyr used by the ADF the F89 is the designation given to the Minimi i should know seeing i have use a F88 before&lt;br /&gt;
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also on another note the ADF has started using new F88's pretty much everything that was black is now a greenish tan and new sights that look similar to the A3's sights. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why do alot of people hate the Steyr AUG and nearly every other bullpup rifle out there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, it seems like most people that I talk to love to hate bullpup rifles like the Steyr AUG. Why do bullpups get so much hate anyway? They are just as good as any other standard assault rifle, even though they are designed differently and have a different look, they can still pack the same punch that your standard M-16 or AK-47 rifle can. Yet there are all these fan-brats of those other assault rifles who just love to hate on bullpups and will come up with some rather stupid and over the top reasons to hate on them such as; '''&amp;quot;OMG! Ur a Counter-Strike noob cuz u liek teh FAMAS!&amp;quot;''', if you say you like bullpup rifles to them. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:17, 3 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe these haters are left-handed people who don't like hot brass flying into their face. I think there are only two or three bullpup designs that are truly ambidextrous, some can be converted, while some just force lefties to shoot right-handed. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The AUG, FAMAS, and F2000 are fully ambidextrous, the AUG and FAMAS can have they're ejection ports flipped to the right side for left handed users, the FN F2000 doesn't need to since its ejection port is in front of the hand guard. I'm designing a bullpup assault rifle right now, I deem it the most practical futuristic assault rifle ever made. The weapon length to range ratio Is what I like most about bullpup designs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:25, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well Funkychinaman, most of the haters of bullpup rifles that I encounter usually hate on bullpups on the grounds that they are 'ugly-looking guns' and that they 'feel odd when handled', while others hate bullpups on the grounds of the manufacturing and materials that they are built with (Rarely do I ever hear about the 'reliability' argument). But just because some bullpups are built using high-grade plastics doesn't mean they are inferior to the aircraft-grade metal that other standard assault rifles are built from. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:05, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Plastic and stainless steel all the way, woot! To me the AUG is a fairly handsome rifle, especially the A3, but that's just me. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Wait a minute, what about the [[Tavor TAR-21]]? Is that one also ambidextrous? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:49, 4 August 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yes, the Tavor TAR-21 is also ambidextrous, it has a flippable ejection port just like the the AUG, I think it's a cool gun too. Firearm manufacturers aren't stupid, they know the problem with left-handed shooters and so they design their weapon with that in mind. The F2000's forward funneling ejection port system is very innovative and solves the problem, but personally I don't 100% trust its reliably. My bullpup assault rifle that I'm designing uses a flippable ejection port like the the AUG, atleast for now.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bracket on barrel ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On some instances of the AUG it has some sort of bracket mounted on the barrel a couple of inches behind the flash hider (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AUG_A1_508mm_04.jpg). Would I be correct in assuming this is a bayonet mount? Also, is this indicative of the F88 Austeyr?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:07, 10 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. I think Wikipedia's screwed up there and got a picture of an Austeyr as an AUG A1. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Checking, theirs isn't an Austeyr, it doesn't have an ALO tab at the bottom of the trigger for locking out the fullauto fire mode. It seems Steyr only sells bayonet lugged barrels to military customers (and not the Austrian military, which doesn't use a lugged barrel), so you're only really likely to see a bayonet lug on an F88 in anything live action. ALO is also on Irish Army AUGs, but it's not that likely you're going to see one of them in a movie. Apparently some newer AUG versions have started using a 3-position fire selector rather than ALO or two-step trigger (rather than just having right-safe left-auto there's a middle &amp;quot;semi&amp;quot; position, though the trigger is still two-step even on the auto setting), I guess that's why my pic of the F88S doesn't have an ALO. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:09, 13 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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the automatic lock out (ALO) is used on the police models it was incorporated on the irish defense forces models as full auto would be wasteful of ammo which is understandable in the heat of the moment you could empty a full mag in a heartbeat&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG reload in Counter Strike ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or the reload animation of the Steyr AUG in Counter Strike resembles how to reload an MP5/G3? I mean if you look at it at the end of the reload, it seems the player performs an HK Slap.&lt;br /&gt;
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AUG charging handle locks similarly to MP5, G3, HK33 etc. After locking it points more upwards than in H&amp;amp;K products, but if you want, you can slap it. [[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG refered twice in Black Ops ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed the AUG A1 being in Black Ops (incapable of being in that time period), but there is the AUG A2 (which someone typed in). Shouldn't there be one variant or are there two? --[[User:Alkillmatic|Alkillmatic]] ([[User talk:Alkillmatic|talk]]) 02:55, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Both variants are present in the game. IIRC, when you put an &amp;quot;ACOG&amp;quot; on the AUG (which is the A2 version by default), it turns into an A1. Like the F2000 Tactical in MW2; you select red dot sight and it changes into an F2000. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:12, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anybody know the name of [[:File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|this grenade launcher]] mounted underneath the AUG A3? I searched about it but couldn't find the name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:57, 11 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I get Steyr GL 40. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:02, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ummm... The Steyr GL 40 is a different launcher, I've just searched for it. However, I looked up again, and the launcher in the image apparently turned out to be simply an M203, as seen [http://s205.photobucket.com/user/SIGERMP9/media/Military%20FireArms/STEYR-AUG-A3.jpg.html here] and [http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:25, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It isn't a normal M203, but the design is based on the M203 with some modifications to make it work on the AUG (RIS mounts, extended folding trigger, a different more conventionally textured handguard, shorter barrel, and simpler frame without the barrel clamp provision at the front). I have never seen a name for it though, I think it was only experimental anyway (the front of the frame of the launchers in those two links is shaped differently so they were apparently still tinkering with it).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Eh, most of the times when I saw pictures of this it simply labels it as &amp;quot;40mm grenade launcher&amp;quot;. Anyway, would it be notable to put the image in [[:Category:UBGL|this category page]]? I [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:UBGL&amp;amp;diff=858071&amp;amp;oldid=855489 did it previously], but then I removed it due the probability of it being an M203. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:54, 1 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::The only name I saw pop up for it was GL2 and apparently it was only a prototype and it is M203 based. I guess we'll call it that unless we find out something more. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steyr AUG flash hider ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering if below ‘duck beak’ flash hider (rather than the ‘birdcage’ flash hider) on a Steyr AUG is indicative of an official Austrian Army Version? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SavageBeach-SteyrAUG-02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I was curious because this movie (upload later this week) was shot on Hawaii and one would not really expect to see an official Austrian Steyr AUG flash hider show up there. Let me know if you have any idea, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 05:47, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'd assume it's possible to get hold of the duckbill given the top image on the main page is one with a duckbill hider which belongs to an American armourer (MPM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:45, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Steyr AUG</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* AUG reload in Counter Strike */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Additional Images==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Aug m203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG (5.56x45mm) with [[M203|M203PI grenade launcher]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hbar.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG HBAR-T - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with prototype Steyr GL2 40mm grenade launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Steyr AUG A3 SF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 SF with 16-inch barrel and Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1Austeyr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88C with 16 inches barrel - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88A1C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Austeyr f88t 1-tfb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88T training rifle, a .22 calibre training version of the Austeyr F88S, with integral Picantinny rail, 20-inch barrel and standard 1.5 power optic - .22 LR]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:F90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thales F90 is a future replacement for the Australian F88 Austeyr. It can feature a ML40AUS 40x46 grenade launcher and a Trijicon TA44SR-10 1.5×16 ACOG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talk==&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a major problem on this page.  The AUG-A2 is not only different because of its capability to mount a Picatinny scope rail in place of the integrated scope.  It also varies in a minor detail concerning its charging handle.  On the A1, the handle was permenantly fixed at an angle, and in the A2 it could be folded to lie alongside the receiver.  A scope rail is nothing new, as the AUG had the option of mounting a NATO-standard sighting mount since it was introduced (as the AUG-T), the A2 just introduced an easier method of mounting.  This really needs to be rectified.  I am willing to do it but I would like to hear some confirmation before I change this.  Additionally, the AUG-A2 is also available with the integrated rifle scope.  See Steyr-Mannlicher's website: www.Steyr-Mannlicher.com.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==uhh wtf==&lt;br /&gt;
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is a F89 as far as i know the F88 is the only steyr used by the ADF the F89 is the designation given to the Minimi i should know seeing i have use a F88 before&lt;br /&gt;
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also on another note the ADF has started using new F88's pretty much everything that was black is now a greenish tan and new sights that look similar to the A3's sights. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why do alot of people hate the Steyr AUG and nearly every other bullpup rifle out there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, it seems like most people that I talk to love to hate bullpup rifles like the Steyr AUG. Why do bullpups get so much hate anyway? They are just as good as any other standard assault rifle, even though they are designed differently and have a different look, they can still pack the same punch that your standard M-16 or AK-47 rifle can. Yet there are all these fan-brats of those other assault rifles who just love to hate on bullpups and will come up with some rather stupid and over the top reasons to hate on them such as; '''&amp;quot;OMG! Ur a Counter-Strike noob cuz u liek teh FAMAS!&amp;quot;''', if you say you like bullpup rifles to them. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:17, 3 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe these haters are left-handed people who don't like hot brass flying into their face. I think there are only two or three bullpup designs that are truly ambidextrous, some can be converted, while some just force lefties to shoot right-handed. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The AUG, FAMAS, and F2000 are fully ambidextrous, the AUG and FAMAS can have they're ejection ports flipped to the right side for left handed users, the FN F2000 doesn't need to since its ejection port is in front of the hand guard. I'm designing a bullpup assault rifle right now, I deem it the most practical futuristic assault rifle ever made. The weapon length to range ratio Is what I like most about bullpup designs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:25, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well Funkychinaman, most of the haters of bullpup rifles that I encounter usually hate on bullpups on the grounds that they are 'ugly-looking guns' and that they 'feel odd when handled', while others hate bullpups on the grounds of the manufacturing and materials that they are built with (Rarely do I ever hear about the 'reliability' argument). But just because some bullpups are built using high-grade plastics doesn't mean they are inferior to the aircraft-grade metal that other standard assault rifles are built from. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:05, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Plastic and stainless steel all the way, woot! To me the AUG is a fairly handsome rifle, especially the A3, but that's just me. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Wait a minute, what about the [[Tavor TAR-21]]? Is that one also ambidextrous? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:49, 4 August 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yes, the Tavor TAR-21 is also ambidextrous, it has a flippable ejection port just like the the AUG, I think it's a cool gun too. Firearm manufacturers aren't stupid, they know the problem with left-handed shooters and so they design their weapon with that in mind. The F2000's forward funneling ejection port system is very innovative and solves the problem, but personally I don't 100% trust its reliably. My bullpup assault rifle that I'm designing uses a flippable ejection port like the the AUG, atleast for now.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bracket on barrel ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On some instances of the AUG it has some sort of bracket mounted on the barrel a couple of inches behind the flash hider (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AUG_A1_508mm_04.jpg). Would I be correct in assuming this is a bayonet mount? Also, is this indicative of the F88 Austeyr?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:07, 10 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. I think Wikipedia's screwed up there and got a picture of an Austeyr as an AUG A1. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Checking, theirs isn't an Austeyr, it doesn't have an ALO tab at the bottom of the trigger for locking out the fullauto fire mode. It seems Steyr only sells bayonet lugged barrels to military customers (and not the Austrian military, which doesn't use a lugged barrel), so you're only really likely to see a bayonet lug on an F88 in anything live action. ALO is also on Irish Army AUGs, but it's not that likely you're going to see one of them in a movie. Apparently some newer AUG versions have started using a 3-position fire selector rather than ALO or two-step trigger (rather than just having right-safe left-auto there's a middle &amp;quot;semi&amp;quot; position, though the trigger is still two-step even on the auto setting), I guess that's why my pic of the F88S doesn't have an ALO. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:09, 13 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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the automatic lock out (ALO) is used on the police models it was incorporated on the irish defense forces models as full auto would be wasteful of ammo which is understandable in the heat of the moment you could empty a full mag in a heartbeat&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG reload in Counter Strike ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or the reload animation of the Steyr AUG in Counter Strike resembles how to reload an MP5/G3? I mean if you look at it at the end of the reload, it seems the player performs an HK Slap.&lt;br /&gt;
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AUG charging handle locks similarly to MP5, G3, G33 etc. After locking it points more upwards than in H&amp;amp;K products, but if you want, you can slap it. [[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG refered twice in Black Ops ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed the AUG A1 being in Black Ops (incapable of being in that time period), but there is the AUG A2 (which someone typed in). Shouldn't there be one variant or are there two? --[[User:Alkillmatic|Alkillmatic]] ([[User talk:Alkillmatic|talk]]) 02:55, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Both variants are present in the game. IIRC, when you put an &amp;quot;ACOG&amp;quot; on the AUG (which is the A2 version by default), it turns into an A1. Like the F2000 Tactical in MW2; you select red dot sight and it changes into an F2000. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:12, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anybody know the name of [[:File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|this grenade launcher]] mounted underneath the AUG A3? I searched about it but couldn't find the name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:57, 11 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I get Steyr GL 40. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:02, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ummm... The Steyr GL 40 is a different launcher, I've just searched for it. However, I looked up again, and the launcher in the image apparently turned out to be simply an M203, as seen [http://s205.photobucket.com/user/SIGERMP9/media/Military%20FireArms/STEYR-AUG-A3.jpg.html here] and [http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:25, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It isn't a normal M203, but the design is based on the M203 with some modifications to make it work on the AUG (RIS mounts, extended folding trigger, a different more conventionally textured handguard, shorter barrel, and simpler frame without the barrel clamp provision at the front). I have never seen a name for it though, I think it was only experimental anyway (the front of the frame of the launchers in those two links is shaped differently so they were apparently still tinkering with it).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Eh, most of the times when I saw pictures of this it simply labels it as &amp;quot;40mm grenade launcher&amp;quot;. Anyway, would it be notable to put the image in [[:Category:UBGL|this category page]]? I [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:UBGL&amp;amp;diff=858071&amp;amp;oldid=855489 did it previously], but then I removed it due the probability of it being an M203. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:54, 1 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::The only name I saw pop up for it was GL2 and apparently it was only a prototype and it is M203 based. I guess we'll call it that unless we find out something more. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steyr AUG flash hider ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering if below ‘duck beak’ flash hider (rather than the ‘birdcage’ flash hider) on a Steyr AUG is indicative of an official Austrian Army Version? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SavageBeach-SteyrAUG-02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I was curious because this movie (upload later this week) was shot on Hawaii and one would not really expect to see an official Austrian Steyr AUG flash hider show up there. Let me know if you have any idea, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 05:47, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'd assume it's possible to get hold of the duckbill given the top image on the main page is one with a duckbill hider which belongs to an American armourer (MPM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:45, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Steyr_AUG&amp;diff=1106720</id>
		<title>Talk:Steyr AUG</title>
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		<updated>2017-05-17T05:10:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* AUG reload in Counter Strike */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Additional Images==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Aug m203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG (5.56x45mm) with [[M203|M203PI grenade launcher]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hbar.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG HBAR-T - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with prototype Steyr GL2 40mm grenade launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Steyr AUG A3 SF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 SF with 16-inch barrel and Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1Austeyr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88C with 16 inches barrel - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88A1C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Austeyr f88t 1-tfb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88T training rifle, a .22 calibre training version of the Austeyr F88S, with integral Picantinny rail, 20-inch barrel and standard 1.5 power optic - .22 LR]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:F90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thales F90 is a future replacement for the Australian F88 Austeyr. It can feature a ML40AUS 40x46 grenade launcher and a Trijicon TA44SR-10 1.5×16 ACOG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talk==&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a major problem on this page.  The AUG-A2 is not only different because of its capability to mount a Picatinny scope rail in place of the integrated scope.  It also varies in a minor detail concerning its charging handle.  On the A1, the handle was permenantly fixed at an angle, and in the A2 it could be folded to lie alongside the receiver.  A scope rail is nothing new, as the AUG had the option of mounting a NATO-standard sighting mount since it was introduced (as the AUG-T), the A2 just introduced an easier method of mounting.  This really needs to be rectified.  I am willing to do it but I would like to hear some confirmation before I change this.  Additionally, the AUG-A2 is also available with the integrated rifle scope.  See Steyr-Mannlicher's website: www.Steyr-Mannlicher.com.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==uhh wtf==&lt;br /&gt;
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is a F89 as far as i know the F88 is the only steyr used by the ADF the F89 is the designation given to the Minimi i should know seeing i have use a F88 before&lt;br /&gt;
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also on another note the ADF has started using new F88's pretty much everything that was black is now a greenish tan and new sights that look similar to the A3's sights. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why do alot of people hate the Steyr AUG and nearly every other bullpup rifle out there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, it seems like most people that I talk to love to hate bullpup rifles like the Steyr AUG. Why do bullpups get so much hate anyway? They are just as good as any other standard assault rifle, even though they are designed differently and have a different look, they can still pack the same punch that your standard M-16 or AK-47 rifle can. Yet there are all these fan-brats of those other assault rifles who just love to hate on bullpups and will come up with some rather stupid and over the top reasons to hate on them such as; '''&amp;quot;OMG! Ur a Counter-Strike noob cuz u liek teh FAMAS!&amp;quot;''', if you say you like bullpup rifles to them. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:17, 3 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe these haters are left-handed people who don't like hot brass flying into their face. I think there are only two or three bullpup designs that are truly ambidextrous, some can be converted, while some just force lefties to shoot right-handed. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The AUG, FAMAS, and F2000 are fully ambidextrous, the AUG and FAMAS can have they're ejection ports flipped to the right side for left handed users, the FN F2000 doesn't need to since its ejection port is in front of the hand guard. I'm designing a bullpup assault rifle right now, I deem it the most practical futuristic assault rifle ever made. The weapon length to range ratio Is what I like most about bullpup designs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:25, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well Funkychinaman, most of the haters of bullpup rifles that I encounter usually hate on bullpups on the grounds that they are 'ugly-looking guns' and that they 'feel odd when handled', while others hate bullpups on the grounds of the manufacturing and materials that they are built with (Rarely do I ever hear about the 'reliability' argument). But just because some bullpups are built using high-grade plastics doesn't mean they are inferior to the aircraft-grade metal that other standard assault rifles are built from. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:05, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Plastic and stainless steel all the way, woot! To me the AUG is a fairly handsome rifle, especially the A3, but that's just me. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Wait a minute, what about the [[Tavor TAR-21]]? Is that one also ambidextrous? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:49, 4 August 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yes, the Tavor TAR-21 is also ambidextrous, it has a flippable ejection port just like the the AUG, I think it's a cool gun too. Firearm manufacturers aren't stupid, they know the problem with left-handed shooters and so they design their weapon with that in mind. The F2000's forward funneling ejection port system is very innovative and solves the problem, but personally I don't 100% trust its reliably. My bullpup assault rifle that I'm designing uses a flippable ejection port like the the AUG, atleast for now.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bracket on barrel ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On some instances of the AUG it has some sort of bracket mounted on the barrel a couple of inches behind the flash hider (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AUG_A1_508mm_04.jpg). Would I be correct in assuming this is a bayonet mount? Also, is this indicative of the F88 Austeyr?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:07, 10 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. I think Wikipedia's screwed up there and got a picture of an Austeyr as an AUG A1. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Checking, theirs isn't an Austeyr, it doesn't have an ALO tab at the bottom of the trigger for locking out the fullauto fire mode. It seems Steyr only sells bayonet lugged barrels to military customers (and not the Austrian military, which doesn't use a lugged barrel), so you're only really likely to see a bayonet lug on an F88 in anything live action. ALO is also on Irish Army AUGs, but it's not that likely you're going to see one of them in a movie. Apparently some newer AUG versions have started using a 3-position fire selector rather than ALO or two-step trigger (rather than just having right-safe left-auto there's a middle &amp;quot;semi&amp;quot; position, though the trigger is still two-step even on the auto setting), I guess that's why my pic of the F88S doesn't have an ALO. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:09, 13 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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the automatic lock out (ALO) is used on the police models it was incorporated on the irish defense forces models as full auto would be wasteful of ammo which is understandable in the heat of the moment you could empty a full mag in a heartbeat&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG reload in Counter Strike ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or the reload animation of the Steyr AUG in Counter Strike resembles how to reload an MP5/G3? I mean if you look at it at the end of the reload, it seems the player performs an HK Slap.&lt;br /&gt;
AUG charging handle locks similarly to MP5, G3, G33 etc. After locking it points more upwards than in H&amp;amp;K products, but if you want, you can slap it. [[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG refered twice in Black Ops ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed the AUG A1 being in Black Ops (incapable of being in that time period), but there is the AUG A2 (which someone typed in). Shouldn't there be one variant or are there two? --[[User:Alkillmatic|Alkillmatic]] ([[User talk:Alkillmatic|talk]]) 02:55, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Both variants are present in the game. IIRC, when you put an &amp;quot;ACOG&amp;quot; on the AUG (which is the A2 version by default), it turns into an A1. Like the F2000 Tactical in MW2; you select red dot sight and it changes into an F2000. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:12, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anybody know the name of [[:File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|this grenade launcher]] mounted underneath the AUG A3? I searched about it but couldn't find the name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:57, 11 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I get Steyr GL 40. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:02, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ummm... The Steyr GL 40 is a different launcher, I've just searched for it. However, I looked up again, and the launcher in the image apparently turned out to be simply an M203, as seen [http://s205.photobucket.com/user/SIGERMP9/media/Military%20FireArms/STEYR-AUG-A3.jpg.html here] and [http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:25, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It isn't a normal M203, but the design is based on the M203 with some modifications to make it work on the AUG (RIS mounts, extended folding trigger, a different more conventionally textured handguard, shorter barrel, and simpler frame without the barrel clamp provision at the front). I have never seen a name for it though, I think it was only experimental anyway (the front of the frame of the launchers in those two links is shaped differently so they were apparently still tinkering with it).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Eh, most of the times when I saw pictures of this it simply labels it as &amp;quot;40mm grenade launcher&amp;quot;. Anyway, would it be notable to put the image in [[:Category:UBGL|this category page]]? I [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:UBGL&amp;amp;diff=858071&amp;amp;oldid=855489 did it previously], but then I removed it due the probability of it being an M203. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:54, 1 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::The only name I saw pop up for it was GL2 and apparently it was only a prototype and it is M203 based. I guess we'll call it that unless we find out something more. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steyr AUG flash hider ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just wondering if below ‘duck beak’ flash hider (rather than the ‘birdcage’ flash hider) on a Steyr AUG is indicative of an official Austrian Army Version? &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SavageBeach-SteyrAUG-02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I was curious because this movie (upload later this week) was shot on Hawaii and one would not really expect to see an official Austrian Steyr AUG flash hider show up there. Let me know if you have any idea, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 05:47, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'd assume it's possible to get hold of the duckbill given the top image on the main page is one with a duckbill hider which belongs to an American armourer (MPM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:45, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Steyr_AUG&amp;diff=1106719</id>
		<title>Talk:Steyr AUG</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Steyr_AUG&amp;diff=1106719"/>
		<updated>2017-05-17T05:10:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* AUG reload in Counter Strike */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Additional Images==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Aug m203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG (5.56x45mm) with [[M203|M203PI grenade launcher]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hbar.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG HBAR-T - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with prototype Steyr GL2 40mm grenade launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Steyr AUG A3 SF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 SF with 16-inch barrel and Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1Austeyr.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88C with 16 inches barrel - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F88A1C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F88A1C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Austeyr f88t 1-tfb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Austeyr F-88T training rifle, a .22 calibre training version of the Austeyr F88S, with integral Picantinny rail, 20-inch barrel and standard 1.5 power optic - .22 LR]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:F90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thales F90 is a future replacement for the Australian F88 Austeyr. It can feature a ML40AUS 40x46 grenade launcher and a Trijicon TA44SR-10 1.5×16 ACOG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Talk==&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a major problem on this page.  The AUG-A2 is not only different because of its capability to mount a Picatinny scope rail in place of the integrated scope.  It also varies in a minor detail concerning its charging handle.  On the A1, the handle was permenantly fixed at an angle, and in the A2 it could be folded to lie alongside the receiver.  A scope rail is nothing new, as the AUG had the option of mounting a NATO-standard sighting mount since it was introduced (as the AUG-T), the A2 just introduced an easier method of mounting.  This really needs to be rectified.  I am willing to do it but I would like to hear some confirmation before I change this.  Additionally, the AUG-A2 is also available with the integrated rifle scope.  See Steyr-Mannlicher's website: www.Steyr-Mannlicher.com.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==uhh wtf==&lt;br /&gt;
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is a F89 as far as i know the F88 is the only steyr used by the ADF the F89 is the designation given to the Minimi i should know seeing i have use a F88 before&lt;br /&gt;
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also on another note the ADF has started using new F88's pretty much everything that was black is now a greenish tan and new sights that look similar to the A3's sights. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why do alot of people hate the Steyr AUG and nearly every other bullpup rifle out there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, it seems like most people that I talk to love to hate bullpup rifles like the Steyr AUG. Why do bullpups get so much hate anyway? They are just as good as any other standard assault rifle, even though they are designed differently and have a different look, they can still pack the same punch that your standard M-16 or AK-47 rifle can. Yet there are all these fan-brats of those other assault rifles who just love to hate on bullpups and will come up with some rather stupid and over the top reasons to hate on them such as; '''&amp;quot;OMG! Ur a Counter-Strike noob cuz u liek teh FAMAS!&amp;quot;''', if you say you like bullpup rifles to them. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:17, 3 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe these haters are left-handed people who don't like hot brass flying into their face. I think there are only two or three bullpup designs that are truly ambidextrous, some can be converted, while some just force lefties to shoot right-handed. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::The AUG, FAMAS, and F2000 are fully ambidextrous, the AUG and FAMAS can have they're ejection ports flipped to the right side for left handed users, the FN F2000 doesn't need to since its ejection port is in front of the hand guard. I'm designing a bullpup assault rifle right now, I deem it the most practical futuristic assault rifle ever made. The weapon length to range ratio Is what I like most about bullpup designs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:25, 4 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well Funkychinaman, most of the haters of bullpup rifles that I encounter usually hate on bullpups on the grounds that they are 'ugly-looking guns' and that they 'feel odd when handled', while others hate bullpups on the grounds of the manufacturing and materials that they are built with (Rarely do I ever hear about the 'reliability' argument). But just because some bullpups are built using high-grade plastics doesn't mean they are inferior to the aircraft-grade metal that other standard assault rifles are built from. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:05, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Plastic and stainless steel all the way, woot! To me the AUG is a fairly handsome rifle, especially the A3, but that's just me. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:06, 9 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Wait a minute, what about the [[Tavor TAR-21]]? Is that one also ambidextrous? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:49, 4 August 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yes, the Tavor TAR-21 is also ambidextrous, it has a flippable ejection port just like the the AUG, I think it's a cool gun too. Firearm manufacturers aren't stupid, they know the problem with left-handed shooters and so they design their weapon with that in mind. The F2000's forward funneling ejection port system is very innovative and solves the problem, but personally I don't 100% trust its reliably. My bullpup assault rifle that I'm designing uses a flippable ejection port like the the AUG, atleast for now.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bracket on barrel ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On some instances of the AUG it has some sort of bracket mounted on the barrel a couple of inches behind the flash hider (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AUG_A1_508mm_04.jpg). Would I be correct in assuming this is a bayonet mount? Also, is this indicative of the F88 Austeyr?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:07, 10 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. I think Wikipedia's screwed up there and got a picture of an Austeyr as an AUG A1. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Checking, theirs isn't an Austeyr, it doesn't have an ALO tab at the bottom of the trigger for locking out the fullauto fire mode. It seems Steyr only sells bayonet lugged barrels to military customers (and not the Austrian military, which doesn't use a lugged barrel), so you're only really likely to see a bayonet lug on an F88 in anything live action. ALO is also on Irish Army AUGs, but it's not that likely you're going to see one of them in a movie. Apparently some newer AUG versions have started using a 3-position fire selector rather than ALO or two-step trigger (rather than just having right-safe left-auto there's a middle &amp;quot;semi&amp;quot; position, though the trigger is still two-step even on the auto setting), I guess that's why my pic of the F88S doesn't have an ALO. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:09, 13 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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the automatic lock out (ALO) is used on the police models it was incorporated on the irish defense forces models as full auto would be wasteful of ammo which is understandable in the heat of the moment you could empty a full mag in a heartbeat&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 16:44, 7 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG reload in Counter Strike ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it just me or the reload animation of the Steyr AUG in Counter Strike resembles how to reload an MP5/G3? I mean if you look at it at the end of the reload, it seems the player performs an HK Slap.&lt;br /&gt;
AUG charging handle locks similarly to MP5, G3, G33 etc. After locking it points more upwards than in H&amp;amp;K products, but if you want, you can slap it. ~&lt;br /&gt;
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== AUG refered twice in Black Ops ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed the AUG A1 being in Black Ops (incapable of being in that time period), but there is the AUG A2 (which someone typed in). Shouldn't there be one variant or are there two? --[[User:Alkillmatic|Alkillmatic]] ([[User talk:Alkillmatic|talk]]) 02:55, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Both variants are present in the game. IIRC, when you put an &amp;quot;ACOG&amp;quot; on the AUG (which is the A2 version by default), it turns into an A1. Like the F2000 Tactical in MW2; you select red dot sight and it changes into an F2000. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:12, 17 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anybody know the name of [[:File:Steyr AUG A3+40mm.jpg|this grenade launcher]] mounted underneath the AUG A3? I searched about it but couldn't find the name. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:57, 11 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I get Steyr GL 40. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:02, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ummm... The Steyr GL 40 is a different launcher, I've just searched for it. However, I looked up again, and the launcher in the image apparently turned out to be simply an M203, as seen [http://s205.photobucket.com/user/SIGERMP9/media/Military%20FireArms/STEYR-AUG-A3.jpg.html here] and [http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68 here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:25, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It isn't a normal M203, but the design is based on the M203 with some modifications to make it work on the AUG (RIS mounts, extended folding trigger, a different more conventionally textured handguard, shorter barrel, and simpler frame without the barrel clamp provision at the front). I have never seen a name for it though, I think it was only experimental anyway (the front of the frame of the launchers in those two links is shaped differently so they were apparently still tinkering with it).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Eh, most of the times when I saw pictures of this it simply labels it as &amp;quot;40mm grenade launcher&amp;quot;. Anyway, would it be notable to put the image in [[:Category:UBGL|this category page]]? I [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:UBGL&amp;amp;diff=858071&amp;amp;oldid=855489 did it previously], but then I removed it due the probability of it being an M203. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:54, 1 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::The only name I saw pop up for it was GL2 and apparently it was only a prototype and it is M203 based. I guess we'll call it that unless we find out something more. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steyr AUG flash hider ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering if below ‘duck beak’ flash hider (rather than the ‘birdcage’ flash hider) on a Steyr AUG is indicative of an official Austrian Army Version? &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SavageBeach-SteyrAUG-02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I was curious because this movie (upload later this week) was shot on Hawaii and one would not really expect to see an official Austrian Steyr AUG flash hider show up there. Let me know if you have any idea, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 05:47, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'd assume it's possible to get hold of the duckbill given the top image on the main page is one with a duckbill hider which belongs to an American armourer (MPM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:45, 9 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1082996</id>
		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1082996"/>
		<updated>2017-02-07T16:19:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* Spanish Operators */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
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The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag? --[[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 15:29, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'd put &amp;quot;though it says it's a .45 it incorrectly holds 15+1 like a 9mm USP instead of 12+1 like a real USP45.&amp;quot; [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:03, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leaked operator with SIG MPX ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:rainbow6siegeleakedoperator.jpg|500px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
A friend linked me a leaked picture of an upcoming operator, supposedly a Navy SEAL, that seems to be wielding a [[SIG-Sauer MPX]] --[[User:Jaffaceksi|Jaffaceksi]] ([[User talk:Jaffaceksi|talk]]) 18:50, 13 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
The in game Hi-Power has an odd serrations on the slide, one side are all tight like in the ones pictured on the Hi-Power page, and the other side has them thicker and widely spaced similar to the one seen in [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#Browning_Hi-Power|Call of Duty: Black Ops II]], is this an error, or is there a newer version that is like this? The only Hi-Power I've ever used was my Grandfathers old service piece from the 50's, and that one didn't have the variation between sides.--[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Delta gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From one of the Idris vids&lt;br /&gt;
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http://s23.postimg.org/bg73fjsmj/ddd.png&lt;br /&gt;
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Has an Army of Two style shield on the gun and the rail cover extends past the end of the barrel.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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==The MPX doesn't look right to me==&lt;br /&gt;
Look at the MPX's magazine well, it looks much too big for its round, and looks like it doesn't seat properly. By the way, is the article going to be updated soon to add the Operation: Dust Line weapons?&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/rainbowsix/images/6/68/R6S-mpx.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160511193901 Rainbow Six Siege MPX] [[User:CloversCorner|CloversCorner]] ([[User talk:CloversCorner|talk]]) 15:57, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks more like the magazine is misporportioned, wait until the final release. I'm kinda bummed that the new characters have super trope-y weapons like the Deagle and SPAS-12.....[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:01, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'm more than bummed by the Desert Eagle. Rainbow Six Siege is supposed to be a realistic squad based game inspired by real units and the weapons and equipment they use. And then they stick a frigging Desert Eagle as a Navy SEAL sidearm. Pandering to the COD crowd. I'm rather pissed off that they did that. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 05:11, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean, the SCAR and the MK. 11 make sense, the MPX is okay with me, and the SPAS-12, well, it's not the most practical thing in the world, but it's not necessarily bad (although, with the 6+1 capacity, they may as well have used the compact model to fit in with the CQB theme). Still, seriously? A Desert Eagle? I mean, if you wanted a big, imposing handgun, you could go with a Mk. 23, which is infinitely more practical than the DE (though, granted, that's not exactly saying much), has been in previous R6 games, and was actually meant for the US military. Seriously, it's just downright illogical. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:19, 2 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like the magazine size is off. Took this myself. http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/4d/SIEGE_MPX.jpeg [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 10:58, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The mag-well's a bit bigger than it should be, the mags are a bit too short, and they are placed in the mag-well a bit too forward instead of in the center. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:56, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== C8 barrel length ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure what to make of it, as it falls in between the SFW and CQB models. Looks to 11.5in..?&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cc-r6.siege-c8sfw-001.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ColtCanada C8CQB.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It doesn't help that like all the assault rifles in the game, it has an A2 birdcage flash hider. When in doubt, I say it's closer to the CQB do to the short barrel, even if it's a little longer. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:48, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::11.5&amp;quot; barrel would make it a Colt 933. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:59, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other unusable wall weapons in Kafe Dostoyevsky ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:R6SKafe.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Potato-quality because Xbone.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Presumably a pair of Colt SAA's, flintlock pistols, and some three barreled pepperbox revolver. These can be found in the room next to the train exhibit.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:19, 12 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll also leave the Dust Line background image here:&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:RSSKeymodAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|C-Clamp™]]&lt;br /&gt;
:--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:20, 24 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
On the subject of unusable guns in menu screens, some menus include M6290 flashbangs. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:12, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New guns in Skull Rain ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so we are getting a Beretta M12, Spas-15 for the defender operator Caveira, while the offensive gets a M249, DSA SA58 and for sidearm there is a Beretta 92 series pistol (not sure on the model yet, probably a Taurus PT) &lt;br /&gt;
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What are your thoughts? Personally i think we have enough of these shotgun-wielding gals but that's just me°-°&lt;br /&gt;
:It's nice to see a SPAS-15 pop up, but hopefully it isn't a copy-paste of Valkyrie/Frost's shotguns. I was kinda hoping one of them would shootdodge like Max Payne lol.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:09, 28 July 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The M249 seems to fire at an unrealistically slow 690 RPM (probably lowered for balance reasons). Caveira's PT92 gets a super cool suppressor sleeve and apparently fires &amp;quot;non-lethal&amp;quot; ammo (despite her visibly killing someone during the gameplay demo...).&lt;br /&gt;
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= Spotted a new gun = &lt;br /&gt;
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There is a S&amp;amp;W M&amp;amp;P in one of the posters seen in oregon, in the first set of beds on the dormitory, next to the west window, i'd love to upload the picture but i don't have the necessary means to do it :( Sorry.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:41, 31 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Next DLC =&lt;br /&gt;
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So... the next DLC will consist of Japanese operators. I've heard speculation of a P229 or P220, a Benelli Supernova, a Howa Type 89, and a Mineba PM9. I'd also expect a Howa Type 64, and maybe an AR-18. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's been confirmed as the Supernova for both operators, the Type 89 for Hibana, and a MP5SD4 for Echo. Sidearms are the P229 and PM-9.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:59, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= SVU question =&lt;br /&gt;
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I played this for the free weekend that just concluded, and when I played the &amp;quot;Cold Zero&amp;quot; situation I saw no such red tint through the SVU's magnifier as the section for that gun mentions. I'm assuming it was removed at some point, given one of our screenshots shows it, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mhlFXZO98 this video] from just after release still has it, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeLYNI_r3Ik this one] from a month ago lacks it. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 18:36, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks like it is still there, just toned down a bit (similar to in the initial release, your vision went very greyscale at low health).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:32, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Spanish Operators=&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTke6uUPvNw&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a Kriss Vector, Fabarm STF 12, Fabarm STF 12 Short, POF PSG, and Diemaco C7E. Can't tell if that USP is a new Compact model.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:are you sure it is a POF PSG and not an UDP-9? You can tell by the trigger guard but then again the PSG is in Ghost Recon: Wildlands and there it looks like a complete different model than the one portrayed in Siege.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 10:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like you're right. It has that tiny hole running through the boltcatch on the left, and the icon has that distinct strip just above the magwell.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
Somebody mentioned Diemaco C7 as NLD on reddit. Probably Colt Canada C7NLD. --[[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 11:19, 7 February 2017 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* Spanish Operators */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
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The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag? --[[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 15:29, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'd put &amp;quot;though it says it's a .45 it incorrectly holds 15+1 like a 9mm USP instead of 12+1 like a real USP45.&amp;quot; [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:03, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leaked operator with SIG MPX ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:rainbow6siegeleakedoperator.jpg|500px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
A friend linked me a leaked picture of an upcoming operator, supposedly a Navy SEAL, that seems to be wielding a [[SIG-Sauer MPX]] --[[User:Jaffaceksi|Jaffaceksi]] ([[User talk:Jaffaceksi|talk]]) 18:50, 13 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
The in game Hi-Power has an odd serrations on the slide, one side are all tight like in the ones pictured on the Hi-Power page, and the other side has them thicker and widely spaced similar to the one seen in [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#Browning_Hi-Power|Call of Duty: Black Ops II]], is this an error, or is there a newer version that is like this? The only Hi-Power I've ever used was my Grandfathers old service piece from the 50's, and that one didn't have the variation between sides.--[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Delta gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From one of the Idris vids&lt;br /&gt;
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http://s23.postimg.org/bg73fjsmj/ddd.png&lt;br /&gt;
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Has an Army of Two style shield on the gun and the rail cover extends past the end of the barrel.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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==The MPX doesn't look right to me==&lt;br /&gt;
Look at the MPX's magazine well, it looks much too big for its round, and looks like it doesn't seat properly. By the way, is the article going to be updated soon to add the Operation: Dust Line weapons?&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/rainbowsix/images/6/68/R6S-mpx.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160511193901 Rainbow Six Siege MPX] [[User:CloversCorner|CloversCorner]] ([[User talk:CloversCorner|talk]]) 15:57, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks more like the magazine is misporportioned, wait until the final release. I'm kinda bummed that the new characters have super trope-y weapons like the Deagle and SPAS-12.....[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:01, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'm more than bummed by the Desert Eagle. Rainbow Six Siege is supposed to be a realistic squad based game inspired by real units and the weapons and equipment they use. And then they stick a frigging Desert Eagle as a Navy SEAL sidearm. Pandering to the COD crowd. I'm rather pissed off that they did that. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 05:11, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean, the SCAR and the MK. 11 make sense, the MPX is okay with me, and the SPAS-12, well, it's not the most practical thing in the world, but it's not necessarily bad (although, with the 6+1 capacity, they may as well have used the compact model to fit in with the CQB theme). Still, seriously? A Desert Eagle? I mean, if you wanted a big, imposing handgun, you could go with a Mk. 23, which is infinitely more practical than the DE (though, granted, that's not exactly saying much), has been in previous R6 games, and was actually meant for the US military. Seriously, it's just downright illogical. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:19, 2 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like the magazine size is off. Took this myself. http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/4d/SIEGE_MPX.jpeg [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 10:58, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The mag-well's a bit bigger than it should be, the mags are a bit too short, and they are placed in the mag-well a bit too forward instead of in the center. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:56, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== C8 barrel length ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure what to make of it, as it falls in between the SFW and CQB models. Looks to 11.5in..?&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cc-r6.siege-c8sfw-001.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ColtCanada C8CQB.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It doesn't help that like all the assault rifles in the game, it has an A2 birdcage flash hider. When in doubt, I say it's closer to the CQB do to the short barrel, even if it's a little longer. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:48, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::11.5&amp;quot; barrel would make it a Colt 933. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:59, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other unusable wall weapons in Kafe Dostoyevsky ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:R6SKafe.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Potato-quality because Xbone.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Presumably a pair of Colt SAA's, flintlock pistols, and some three barreled pepperbox revolver. These can be found in the room next to the train exhibit.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:19, 12 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll also leave the Dust Line background image here:&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:RSSKeymodAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|C-Clamp™]]&lt;br /&gt;
:--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:20, 24 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
On the subject of unusable guns in menu screens, some menus include M6290 flashbangs. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:12, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New guns in Skull Rain ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so we are getting a Beretta M12, Spas-15 for the defender operator Caveira, while the offensive gets a M249, DSA SA58 and for sidearm there is a Beretta 92 series pistol (not sure on the model yet, probably a Taurus PT) &lt;br /&gt;
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What are your thoughts? Personally i think we have enough of these shotgun-wielding gals but that's just me°-°&lt;br /&gt;
:It's nice to see a SPAS-15 pop up, but hopefully it isn't a copy-paste of Valkyrie/Frost's shotguns. I was kinda hoping one of them would shootdodge like Max Payne lol.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:09, 28 July 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The M249 seems to fire at an unrealistically slow 690 RPM (probably lowered for balance reasons). Caveira's PT92 gets a super cool suppressor sleeve and apparently fires &amp;quot;non-lethal&amp;quot; ammo (despite her visibly killing someone during the gameplay demo...).&lt;br /&gt;
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= Spotted a new gun = &lt;br /&gt;
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There is a S&amp;amp;W M&amp;amp;P in one of the posters seen in oregon, in the first set of beds on the dormitory, next to the west window, i'd love to upload the picture but i don't have the necessary means to do it :( Sorry.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:41, 31 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Next DLC =&lt;br /&gt;
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So... the next DLC will consist of Japanese operators. I've heard speculation of a P229 or P220, a Benelli Supernova, a Howa Type 89, and a Mineba PM9. I'd also expect a Howa Type 64, and maybe an AR-18. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's been confirmed as the Supernova for both operators, the Type 89 for Hibana, and a MP5SD4 for Echo. Sidearms are the P229 and PM-9.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:59, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= SVU question =&lt;br /&gt;
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I played this for the free weekend that just concluded, and when I played the &amp;quot;Cold Zero&amp;quot; situation I saw no such red tint through the SVU's magnifier as the section for that gun mentions. I'm assuming it was removed at some point, given one of our screenshots shows it, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mhlFXZO98 this video] from just after release still has it, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeLYNI_r3Ik this one] from a month ago lacks it. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 18:36, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks like it is still there, just toned down a bit (similar to in the initial release, your vision went very greyscale at low health).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:32, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Spanish Operators=&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTke6uUPvNw&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a Kriss Vector, Fabarm STF 12, Fabarm STF 12 Short, POF PSG, and Diemaco C7E. Can't tell if that USP is a new Compact model.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:are you sure it is a POF PSG and not an UDP-9? You can tell by the trigger guard but then again the PSG is in Ghost Recon: Wildlands and there it looks like a complete different model than the one portrayed in Siege.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 10:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like you're right. It has that tiny hole running through the boltcatch on the left, and the icon has that distinct strip just above the magwell.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
Somebody mentioned Diemaco C7 as NLD on reddit. Probably Colt Canada C7NLD. ~&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1082994</id>
		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1082994"/>
		<updated>2017-02-07T16:18:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* Spanish Operators */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
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The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag? --[[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 15:29, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'd put &amp;quot;though it says it's a .45 it incorrectly holds 15+1 like a 9mm USP instead of 12+1 like a real USP45.&amp;quot; [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:03, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leaked operator with SIG MPX ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:rainbow6siegeleakedoperator.jpg|500px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
A friend linked me a leaked picture of an upcoming operator, supposedly a Navy SEAL, that seems to be wielding a [[SIG-Sauer MPX]] --[[User:Jaffaceksi|Jaffaceksi]] ([[User talk:Jaffaceksi|talk]]) 18:50, 13 February 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
The in game Hi-Power has an odd serrations on the slide, one side are all tight like in the ones pictured on the Hi-Power page, and the other side has them thicker and widely spaced similar to the one seen in [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#Browning_Hi-Power|Call of Duty: Black Ops II]], is this an error, or is there a newer version that is like this? The only Hi-Power I've ever used was my Grandfathers old service piece from the 50's, and that one didn't have the variation between sides.--[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Delta gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From one of the Idris vids&lt;br /&gt;
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http://s23.postimg.org/bg73fjsmj/ddd.png&lt;br /&gt;
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Has an Army of Two style shield on the gun and the rail cover extends past the end of the barrel.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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==The MPX doesn't look right to me==&lt;br /&gt;
Look at the MPX's magazine well, it looks much too big for its round, and looks like it doesn't seat properly. By the way, is the article going to be updated soon to add the Operation: Dust Line weapons?&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/rainbowsix/images/6/68/R6S-mpx.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160511193901 Rainbow Six Siege MPX] [[User:CloversCorner|CloversCorner]] ([[User talk:CloversCorner|talk]]) 15:57, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Looks more like the magazine is misporportioned, wait until the final release. I'm kinda bummed that the new characters have super trope-y weapons like the Deagle and SPAS-12.....[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:01, 11 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I'm more than bummed by the Desert Eagle. Rainbow Six Siege is supposed to be a realistic squad based game inspired by real units and the weapons and equipment they use. And then they stick a frigging Desert Eagle as a Navy SEAL sidearm. Pandering to the COD crowd. I'm rather pissed off that they did that. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 05:11, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean, the SCAR and the MK. 11 make sense, the MPX is okay with me, and the SPAS-12, well, it's not the most practical thing in the world, but it's not necessarily bad (although, with the 6+1 capacity, they may as well have used the compact model to fit in with the CQB theme). Still, seriously? A Desert Eagle? I mean, if you wanted a big, imposing handgun, you could go with a Mk. 23, which is infinitely more practical than the DE (though, granted, that's not exactly saying much), has been in previous R6 games, and was actually meant for the US military. Seriously, it's just downright illogical. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:19, 2 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like the magazine size is off. Took this myself. http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/4d/SIEGE_MPX.jpeg [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 10:58, 12 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The mag-well's a bit bigger than it should be, the mags are a bit too short, and they are placed in the mag-well a bit too forward instead of in the center. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:56, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== C8 barrel length ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure what to make of it, as it falls in between the SFW and CQB models. Looks to 11.5in..?&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cc-r6.siege-c8sfw-001.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ColtCanada C8CQB.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]&lt;br /&gt;
:It doesn't help that like all the assault rifles in the game, it has an A2 birdcage flash hider. When in doubt, I say it's closer to the CQB do to the short barrel, even if it's a little longer. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:48, 25 May 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::11.5&amp;quot; barrel would make it a Colt 933. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:59, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other unusable wall weapons in Kafe Dostoyevsky ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:R6SKafe.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Potato-quality because Xbone.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Presumably a pair of Colt SAA's, flintlock pistols, and some three barreled pepperbox revolver. These can be found in the room next to the train exhibit.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:19, 12 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll also leave the Dust Line background image here:&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:RSSKeymodAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|C-Clamp™]]&lt;br /&gt;
:--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:20, 24 June 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
On the subject of unusable guns in menu screens, some menus include M6290 flashbangs. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:12, 1 September 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New guns in Skull Rain ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so we are getting a Beretta M12, Spas-15 for the defender operator Caveira, while the offensive gets a M249, DSA SA58 and for sidearm there is a Beretta 92 series pistol (not sure on the model yet, probably a Taurus PT) &lt;br /&gt;
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What are your thoughts? Personally i think we have enough of these shotgun-wielding gals but that's just me°-°&lt;br /&gt;
:It's nice to see a SPAS-15 pop up, but hopefully it isn't a copy-paste of Valkyrie/Frost's shotguns. I was kinda hoping one of them would shootdodge like Max Payne lol.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:09, 28 July 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The M249 seems to fire at an unrealistically slow 690 RPM (probably lowered for balance reasons). Caveira's PT92 gets a super cool suppressor sleeve and apparently fires &amp;quot;non-lethal&amp;quot; ammo (despite her visibly killing someone during the gameplay demo...).&lt;br /&gt;
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= Spotted a new gun = &lt;br /&gt;
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There is a S&amp;amp;W M&amp;amp;P in one of the posters seen in oregon, in the first set of beds on the dormitory, next to the west window, i'd love to upload the picture but i don't have the necessary means to do it :( Sorry.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:41, 31 August 2016 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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= Next DLC =&lt;br /&gt;
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So... the next DLC will consist of Japanese operators. I've heard speculation of a P229 or P220, a Benelli Supernova, a Howa Type 89, and a Mineba PM9. I'd also expect a Howa Type 64, and maybe an AR-18. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's been confirmed as the Supernova for both operators, the Type 89 for Hibana, and a MP5SD4 for Echo. Sidearms are the P229 and PM-9.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:59, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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= SVU question =&lt;br /&gt;
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I played this for the free weekend that just concluded, and when I played the &amp;quot;Cold Zero&amp;quot; situation I saw no such red tint through the SVU's magnifier as the section for that gun mentions. I'm assuming it was removed at some point, given one of our screenshots shows it, and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mhlFXZO98 this video] from just after release still has it, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeLYNI_r3Ik this one] from a month ago lacks it. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 18:36, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks like it is still there, just toned down a bit (similar to in the initial release, your vision went very greyscale at low health).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:32, 13 November 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Spanish Operators=&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTke6uUPvNw&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a Kriss Vector, Fabarm STF 12, Fabarm STF 12 Short, POF PSG, and Diemaco C7E. Can't tell if that USP is a new Compact model.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:are you sure it is a POF PSG and not an UDP-9? You can tell by the trigger guard but then again the PSG is in Ghost Recon: Wildlands and there it looks like a complete different model than the one portrayed in Siege.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 10:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks like you're right. It has that tiny hole running through the boltcatch on the left, and the icon has that distinct strip just above the magwell.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
Somebody mentioned Diemaco C7 as NLD on reddit. Probably Colt Canada C7NLD.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1002541</id>
		<title>Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1002541"/>
		<updated>2016-02-10T20:00:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}&lt;br /&gt;
|name = Rainbow Six: Siege&lt;br /&gt;
|picture = R6 siege pc box.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption =  ''Offical Boxart''&lt;br /&gt;
|series= [[Tom Clancy#Rainbow Six|Rainbow Six]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date= December 1, 2015&lt;br /&gt;
|developer=Ubisoft&lt;br /&gt;
|platforms=Xbox One&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Playstation 4&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;PC&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=Ubisoft&lt;br /&gt;
|genre=First-Person Shooter&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons can be seen in the video game ''Rainbow Six: Siege'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=Pistols=&lt;br /&gt;
==FN Five-seveN Mark 2==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN Five-seveN|FN Five-seveN Mark 2]] is used by the American FBI SWAT operatives. It appears as the &amp;quot;5.7 USG&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:FN Five-seveN Mark 2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-seveN Mark 2 - FN 5.7×28mm. This variant is now the standard version of the FN Five-seveN offered by FNH. The Mk2 model has cocking serrations on the front of the slide as well as on the rear. This is a fixed-sight version. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN Five-seveN USG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FN Five-seveN Mark 2 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN Five-seveN USG holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the FN Five-seveN Mark 2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN Five-seveN USG aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the FN Five-seveN Mark 2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN Five-seveN USG reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FN Five-seveN Mark 2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN Five-seveN USG reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FN Five-seveN Mark 2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==FN FNP-9==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN FNP-9]] is used by the French GIGN operatives. It appears as the &amp;quot;P9&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:FNP-Pistol.jpg |thumb|350px|none|FN FNP-9 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FNP-9.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FNP-9 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FNP-9 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the FNP-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FNP-9 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the FNP-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FNP-9 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FNP-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FNP-9 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FNP-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==GSh-18==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[GSh-18]] is used by the Russian Spetsnaz operatives.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Gsh18-l.jpg|thumb|none|350px|GSh-18 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege GSh-18.jpg|thumb|600px|none|GSh-18 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege GSh-18 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the GSh-18.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege GSh-18 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the GSh-18.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege GSh-18 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the GSh-18.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege GSh-18 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the GSh-18.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical==&lt;br /&gt;
The P12 is the German equipment designation for the [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical]] is used by the German GSG-9 operatives. Although the icon is reuses of a FNP-9. Magazine capacity is also wrong for a .45ACP USP Tactical, only 10 or 12 round magazines exist for .45ACP version.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Hk-usp45tac.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP.jpg|thumb|600px|none|USP Tactical in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP reloading1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch USP Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M45/MEU(SOC)==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M1911#M45 / MEU(SOC)|M45/MEU(SOC)]] is used by the FBI SWAT operatives. It appears as the &amp;quot;M45 MEUSOC&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:M-45 MEU(SOC).jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol, later version - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m45 meusoc.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|M45/MEU(SOC) in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m45 meusoc holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the M45/MEU(SOC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSixSiege m45 meusoc aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the M45/MEU(SOC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m45 meusoc reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the M45/MEU(SOC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m45 meusoc reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the M45/MEU(SOC).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Makarov PM==&lt;br /&gt;
Though called a PMM, the model shown is acually the older [[Makarov PM]]. It used by the Spetsnaz operatives.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Russian Makarov PM - 9x18mm Makarov]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Makarov PMM.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Makarov PM in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Makarov PMM holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Makarov PM.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Makarov PMM aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Makarov PM.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Makarov PMM reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Makarov PM.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Makarov PMM reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Makarov PM.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P226 Mk 25==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 Mk 25]] is used by the British SAS operatives.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:P226 Navy.jpg|thumb|350px|none|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, this is the version used by the Navy SEALs - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG-Sauer P226.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SIG-Sauer P226 Mk 25 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG-Sauer P226 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the P226 Mk 25.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG-Sauer P226 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the P226 Mk 25.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG-Sauer P226 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the P226 Mk 25.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG-Sauer P226 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the P226 Mk 25.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586]] is used by the GIGN operatives. It appears as the &amp;quot;LFP586&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:S&amp;amp;W586-6.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 with 6&amp;quot; barrel - .357 Magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 586.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is used by the JTF-2 operators that appeared in the Operation Black Ice expansion. It appears as the &amp;quot;MK1 9mm&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power Mark III - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Submachine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
==FN P90 TR==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN P90 TR]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:FN P90 Triple Rail (TR).jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN P90 TR with optics removed - 5.7x28mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN P90 TR.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FN P90 TR in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN P90 TR holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the FN P90 TR.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN P90 TR aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the FN P90 TR.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN P90 TR reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FN P90 TR.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FN P90 TR reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FN P90 TR.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI]] is available in the game. It appears as the &amp;quot;MP5&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Heckler-Koch-MP5-MLI.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI - updated with a triple-rail forearm, a quick-release-mount, and the new RAL8000 color scheme - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5 MLI.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MP5K-PDW with its extended barrel with 3 lugs &amp;amp; folding stock - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW1 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW1 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW1 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW1 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1]] is available in the game. For some reason, it has a 30 round magazine capacity despite being modeled with the 40 round magazine, the developers also thought that the charging handle is always in its pulled back position, as it's been permanently modeled so and is even visible on HUD icons.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:MP7 40rdmag.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight and 40-round magazine - 4.6x30mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45]] is available in the game. The charging handle incorrectly locks back on its own when the magazine is emptied.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP45.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PP-19-01 Vityaz|Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN]] is appears as the &amp;quot;9×19VSN&amp;quot;. equipped with the same modern folding stock and rails system used by the OSN Saturn department.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:VityazsnOSN.jpg |thumb|none|350px|PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Izhmash PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==MAC-11==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[MAC-11]] is appears as the &amp;quot;SMG-11&amp;quot;. with a relocated charging handle and top rail, similar to [[Battlefield Hardline]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|350px|RPB Industries M11A1 - .380 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege MAC-11.jpg|thumb|600px|none|MAC-11 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege MAC-11 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the MAC-11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege MAC-11 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the MAC-11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege MAC-11 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the MAC-11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege MAC-11 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the MAC-11.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Magpul FMG-9==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Magpul FMG-9]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:MagpulFMG-9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Magpul FMG-9 in open form - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Magpul FMG-9.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Magpul FMG-9 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Magpul FMG-9 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Magpul FMG-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Magpul FMG-9 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Magpul FMG-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Magpul FMG-9 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Magpul FMG-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Magpul FMG-9 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Magpul FMG-9.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sterling SMG==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Sterling SMG]] has been available in the game since the Operation Black Ice expansion was released. It is referred to as the &amp;quot;9mm C1&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:SterlingSMG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sterling Mk. IV Submachine Gun - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Assault Rifles &amp;amp; Battle Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
==Enfield L85A2==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[L85A2|Enfield L85A2]] is available in the game. It often used by terrorists in the Terrorist Hunt mode. &lt;br /&gt;
[[file:L85A2 upgraded.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Enfield L85A2 with magazine removed, railed fore-end, ACOG scope, Grippod foregrip, and Surefire FHSA80SA flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege L85A2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Enfield L85A2 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege L85A2 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Enfield L85A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege L85A2 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Enfield L85A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege L85A2 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Enfield L85A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege L85A2 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Enfield L85A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==FAMAS F1==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FAMAS F1]] appears in the game as the &amp;quot;F2&amp;quot; and so far incorrectly holds 30 rounds in 25-round magazines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Famas.jpg|thumb|350px|none|FAMAS F1 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FAMAS F1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FAMAS F1 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FAMAS F1 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the FAMAS F1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FAMAS F1 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the FAMAS F1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FAMAS F1 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FAMAS F1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege FAMAS F1 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the FAMAS F1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36C==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36#Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36C|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36C]] is available in the game. &lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g36c.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G36C in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g36c holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the G36C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g36c aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the G36C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g36c reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the G36C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g36c reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the G36C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2]] with added rails is appears as the &amp;quot;AR33&amp;quot;. It uses 25 round magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:HK33w25rdMag.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 Select Fire rifle with Factory 25rd Magazine - 5.56x45mm. The one in-game uses 30-round magazines.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK33A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C]] is appears as the &amp;quot;416-C CARBINE&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:HK416C.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C ultra-compact carbine with 9&amp;quot; barrel - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:HK417 16.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 with sights removed and 16&amp;quot; barrel - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK417.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Izhmash AK-12==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-12]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Ak-12.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Izhmash AK-12 - 5.45x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege ak-12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|AK-12 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege ak-12 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the AK-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege ak-12 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the AK-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege ak-12 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the AK-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege ak-12 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the AK-12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Remington R4-C==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Remington R4|Remington R4-C]] with a fancy railed foregrip and Magpul MOE stock appears in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RemingtonR4C.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Remington R4-C - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Remington R4-C.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Remington R4-C in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Remington R4-C holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Remington R4-C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Remington R4-C aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Remington R4-C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Remington R4-C reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Remington R4-C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Remington R4-C reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Remington R4-C.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG SG 552==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[SIG SG 552]] is appears as the &amp;quot;552 Commando&amp;quot;. Like in [[Rainbow Six: Vegas|previous]] [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2|games]], it has a 30 round magazine capacity despite being modeled with the 20 round magazine. It can be seen in terrorist hands in the Terrorist Hunt mode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:SIG SG552.jpg|thumb|350px|none|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 552.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SIG SG 552 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 552 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the SIG SG 552.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 552 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the SIG SG 552.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 552 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SIG SG 552.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 552 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SIG SG 552.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG SG 556xi==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[SIG SG 556|SIG SG 556xi]] is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Sg556xi.jpg|thumb|350px|none|SIG SG 556xi - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 556xi.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SIG SG 556xi in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 556xi holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the SIG SG 556xi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 556xi aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the SIG SG 556xi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 556xi reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SIG SG 556xi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege SIG SG 556xi reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SIG SG 556xi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Steyr AUG A2==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Steyr AUG A2]] is available in the game. It can be seen in terrorist hands in the Terrorist Hunt mode. &lt;br /&gt;
[[file:AUG A2 16.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Steyr AUG A2 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Aug-A2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Steyr AUG A2 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Aug-A2 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Steyr AUG A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Aug-A2 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Steyr AUG A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Aug-A2 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Steyr AUG A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Aug-A2 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Steyr AUG A2.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Diemaco/Colt Canada C8 Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Diemaco/Colt Canada C8 Carbine]] has been available in the game since the Operation Black Ice expansion was released. It is referred to as the &amp;quot;C8-SFW&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:C8A1ELCAN.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Colt Canada C8A1 carbine with ELCAN scope - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L1A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[L1A1]] has been available in the game since the Operation Black Ice expansion was released. It is referred to as the &amp;quot;CAMRS&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|350px|L1A1 SLR - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Machine Guns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Degtyaryov DP-28==&lt;br /&gt;
The Spetsnaz operator Tachanka can deploy a tripod-mounted [[Degtyaryov DP-28]]. Despite being referred as the RP-46 (belt-fed version with a pistol grip), it has the original buttstock and magazines of the DP-28. Tachanka has been told to seek out original Soviet-made parts for his weapon, however, and even going so far as to mill his own if he can't find such, making it possible that he's modified an RP-46 into a weapon resembling the DP-28.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6S tachanka dp.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tachanka's DP-28 mounted on its tripod. Note the shortened barrel.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6S tachanka bio.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tachanka's profile, armed on his mounted DP-28.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege dp-28 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Degtyaryov DP-28.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege dp-28 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Degtyaryov DP-28.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege dp-28 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Degtyaryov DP-28.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege dp-28 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Degtyaryov DP-28.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The G8A1 is the German Military version of the [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK11|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK11A1]] and is available in the game. It has a G3 rear sight, added rails, and uses X Products X-91 50-round drum magazines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Hk11e.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK11E - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege hk21.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g8a1 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g8a1 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g8a1 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege g8a1 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G8A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==PKP Pecheneg==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[PKP Pecheneg]] with an aftermarket bullpup conversion kit manufactured by Zenit is available in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Pkpzenit.jpg|thumb|350px|none|PKP Pecheneg with Zenit bullpup conversion kit - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PKP Pecheneg.jpg|thumb|600px|none|PKP Pecheneg in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PKP Pecheneg holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the PKP Pecheneg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PKP Pecheneg aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the PKP Pecheneg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PKP Pecheneg reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the PKP Pecheneg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege PKP Pecheneg reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the PKP Pecheneg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Benelli M4 Super 90==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Benelli M4 Super 90]] is available in the game. Although in-game M4 hold 8 rounds, It is modeled with a 4-round civilian magazine-tube.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Benelli m4 2.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 4-shot tube - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Benelli M4 Super 90.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Benelli M4 Super 90 in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Benelli M4 Super 90 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Benelli M4 Super 90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Benelli M4 Super 90 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Benelli M4 Super 90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Benelli M4 Super 90 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Benelli M4 Super 90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Benelli M4 Super 90 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Benelli M4 Super 90.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical]] with a pistol grip and side folding wire stock is appears as the &amp;quot;SG-CQB&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Fabarm Sdass tactical -1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 500.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch FABARM SDASS Tactical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Izhmash Saiga-12K==&lt;br /&gt;
A custom [[Saiga 12|Saiga-12K]] is appears as the &amp;quot;SASG-12&amp;quot;. It has a RIS foregrip with an aftermarket front sight and an AK-12 rear sight mounted on top, an aftermarket trigger-guard, Hogue pistol grip, and a M4-stock (please help ID model). It uses 8-round box magazines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Saiga-12K - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege vepr-12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Custom Saiga-12K in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Saiga-12K holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Custom Saiga-12K.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Saiga-12K aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Custom Saiga-12K]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Saiga-12K reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Custom Saiga-12K.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Saiga-12K reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Custom Saiga-12K.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Mossberg 590A1|Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater]] is available in the game. It often used by terrorists in the Terrorist Hunt mode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:M590A1B.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 590A1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 590A1 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 590A1 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 590A1 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege Mossberg 590A1 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Mossberg 590A1 Blackwater.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty)==&lt;br /&gt;
An Unknown Custom [[Remington Model 870|Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty)]] with a tri-rail foregrip, heat-shield/top rail, flip-up iron sights, a pistol grip, and an M4 stock appears in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SBS4E5REM 870.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Remington 870 with Aimtec Warhammer rail system, FAB Defense stock and pump, MAGPUL Back-Up Sights, and 1st generation Bushnell Holosight - 12 gauge. This is the screen-used gun from ''[[Strike Back - Season 4]]'']]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m870.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty) in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m870 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m870 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m870 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Remington Model 870 (Custom Shorty).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m870 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the CRemington Model 870 (Custom Shorty).]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Benelli M3 Super 90 Shorty==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Benelli M3 Super 90|Benelli M3 Super 90 Shorty]] has been available in the game since the Operation Black Ice expansion was released. It is referred to as the &amp;quot;Super 90&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Benelli_M3_Super_90_Shorty.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Benelli M3 Super 90 Shorty - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System==&lt;br /&gt;
The JTC-2 operator Buck uses the [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System]] as his gadget.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:M26_MASS_5_round.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Standalone version of M26 MASS - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Sniper Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
==SVU Dragunov==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[SVU Dragunov]] is appears as the &amp;quot;OTs-03&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Svu-a 2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SVU Dragunov modernized with black furniture and a bipod - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SVU Dragunov in lobby.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the SVU Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu aim 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the SVU Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu aim 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the SVU Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SVU Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siegesvu reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the SVU Dragunov.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Launchers=&lt;br /&gt;
==Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320]] is used by the FBI SWAT operative &amp;quot;Ash&amp;quot;. It appears stand-alone in the game with a longer barrel and an under-barrel rail with an attached vertical grip instead of the the built-in folding vertical grip.&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:XM320 stock extended.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320 with optional telescoping stock - 40x46mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m320 holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m320 aim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player aims the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m320 reloading 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m320 reloading 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads the Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Grenades &amp;amp; Explosives=&lt;br /&gt;
==C4==&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege c4 a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|C4 in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege c4 b.jpg|thumb|600px|none|C4 in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M18 smoke grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M18 smoke grenade]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M18 smoke grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m18 smoke.jpg|thumb|600px|none|M18 smoke grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m18 smoke holding.jpg|thumb|600px|none|M18 smoke grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M67 hand grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M67 hand grenade]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:Baseball.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M67 hand grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m67 grenade a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|M67 hand grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m67 grenade holding.jpg|thumb|600px|none|M67 hand grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==M84 Stun Grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M84 stun grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:M84stun.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M84 Stun Grenade]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m84 grenade.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|M84 Stun Grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[file:RainbowSix Siege m84 grenade holding 1.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|M84 Stun Grenade in game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tom Clancy Series}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Tom Clancy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: First-Person Shooter]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Crime]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001815</id>
		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001815"/>
		<updated>2016-02-07T20:29:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* P12/USP Tactical */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag? --[[User:-Sentinel-|-Sentinel-]] ([[User talk:-Sentinel-|talk]]) 15:29, 7 February 2016 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001813</id>
		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001813"/>
		<updated>2016-02-07T20:26:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* P12/USP Tactical */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001812</id>
		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rainbow_Six_Siege&amp;diff=1001812"/>
		<updated>2016-02-07T20:26:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* P12/USP Tactical */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag? ¨&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
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		<title>Talk:Rainbow Six Siege</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;-Sentinel-: /* P12/USP Tactical */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Already...==&lt;br /&gt;
It seem that the M1911 Variant has an incorrect 10 rounds in a 8 rounds magazine. There is IN FACT a 10 rounds magazine for M1911s but it seem it's not in this one  --[[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:10roundsm1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|10 Rounds magazine .45 ACP for M1911 and Variants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== New footage ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Numerous new features can be seen clearly here: the MP5 ingame is referred to as the MP5F and has an unusual crooked stock (12:17), there is a USP for the terrorists, various attachments for the G36C including an oddly-reticuled ACOG scope, and the identification (at least ingame) of the 1911 as the M45 MEUSOC. At this stage it would appear that the MP5 has replaced the Mac-10 as the terrorists' weapon of choice. [[User:Sandymon|Sandymon]] ([[User talk:Sandymon|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9CMGuyGvQ&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alpha weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone leaked some footage of the Alpha so we can't &amp;quot;use&amp;quot; it, but it showed a FAMAS G2, P90, UMP, Mossberg 591A1, P226, HK33A2, S&amp;amp;W M586, FNP-9, and a stand-alone M320&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also a MAC-11. Don't know if that's the same gun as what's labeled as the MAC-10.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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:I am still waiting for the alpha key... Although I did answer that I don't play CoD, BF, nor Titanfall so maybe they won't even send the key... :( - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 03:32, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I watched this trailer on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgOSimxoPs YouTube] and I screencapped an the UMP, FAMAS F1 and an assault rifle I didn't recognize. At first I thought it was an HK416 but then I noticed it has a charging handle on the right side of the gun. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:44, 22 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege assault rifle 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unknown assault rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege Famas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS F1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6Siege UMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Untextured UMP]]&lt;br /&gt;
They released a bunch of official footage today. FMG9, 5-7 USG, HK417, SA80 with DD rails, SG 556 XI, Remington R4. I think a Glock was briefly shown in a loadout window. FAMAS G2 is an F1 despite the name.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Here's a screencap from the official site, the same picture also appears in the end of some videos, and I think there's MPX with a suppressor as in the MPX-SD variant, but the weapon itself is about the same length as the basic variant. Perhaps we see it in a future video. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 16:03, 31 March 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:R6siege mpx.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unidentified firearms ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm entirely certain that the unidentified ''VSN'' is a ''Vityaz-SN'', [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/OSN_Saturn_special_purpose_unit_%28506-20%29.jpg a 9mm Parabellum submachine gun] in use with the Russian special units that belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD. It is also used by some specialized police detachments, such as [http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Interpolitex-2013/i-tF82bS7/0/O/Interpolitex2013part01-17.jpg Grom] of the Federal Drug Control Service.&lt;br /&gt;
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The unidentified machine gun with a canted ammo box is actually a relatively well represented (as of late) ''PKP'' general purpose machine gun in an [http://i.imgur.com/gnAgMhX.jpg updated bullpup kit] by the Russian company Zenit. It was supposed to be used by special forces in close quarter urban combat apparently, but it didn't quite catch on. Still the initial batch was retained and could see limited action. Interestingly enough, Zenit is the same company that made the rail system and stock used by the Vityaz-SN. Ultimately, [http://www.zenitco.ru/files/pulemet2_1.jpg Zenit dropped the exotic bullpup kit] and went for something more conventional. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:06, 30 July 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Thanks, those all seem correct. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== The M590A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm pretty sure that the M590A1 is the Blackwater variant as it has a picatinny rail on the receiver and it appears that the ghost ring is part of the rail. The inventory image also shows that it has the &amp;quot;Speed Feed&amp;quot; stock and the tri-rail handguard; both standard on the Blackwater variant. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vepr-12? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Are we absolutely certain that's a Molot Vepr and not actually a Saiga? It's missing the elongated magazine well typical of the Vepr. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 17:39, 30 November 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flash-hiders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only the one noticed that every gun that has a flash-hider, sans the P90, has an A2 flash-hider? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 00:15, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapons actually used ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many of the weapons in this game are actually used by special forces (of whatever they are called) in real life? I've seen some GIGN guys use revolvers and SAS have used the MP5, but the L85, AK12 etc seems rather out of place.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:29, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The L85 and AK12 fit the SAS and Spetsnaz factions respectively.....given said weapons origins. They may not be standard issue but it's safe to assume that high tier counterterrorist units have access to almost any weapon they want.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:04, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The SAS never use L85s, they use L119A1s (Colt Canada C8 SFW, basically M4A1s), The Spetsnaz using AK-12s in not outlandish, as the AK-12 is going through field-trials now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems the &amp;quot;MAC-11&amp;quot; is a MPA10SST [[User:James Dalcan|James Dalcan]] ([[User talk:James Dalcan|talk]]) 05:25, 4 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noticed something on the wall of the armory in Club House ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege_20160110214429.jpeg|400px|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a Bizon, an RPG-7 and a very low resolution model of what it seems to me an AK-103 with wood furniture similar to the one in Far Cry 3^^&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:45, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Nice picture, contains a lot of words.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn, sorry Its my first time posting in here, i was trying to get a screencap off my PS4 with the share button but couldn't do it, it seems :( but trust me i know what i saw AK.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:49, 10 January 2016 (EST)DH20&lt;br /&gt;
:Those are some shitty models, looks like the game is running on  ultra low or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:58, 11 January 2016 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== P12/USP Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Game says it's chambered in .45ACP, however weapon capacity is 15+1. Should it be 9mm, not .45ACP which has capacity of 10 or 12 in a mag?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>-Sentinel-</name></author>
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